Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hello Jacques,

> I’m no graphics specialist, but maybe inserting the attached image into the 
> poster would make the role of Frescobaldi even clearer?

At the very least, we should dedicate some portion of this week’s conference to 
rigorous testing of what’s represented in the image…  ;)

Cheers,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Urs Liska]

Am 12. Januar 2020 12:43:04 MEZ schrieb Klaus Blum :
>Hi Urs, hi Jan-Peter,
>
>thanks for your feedback.
>
>Am 12.01.2020 um 09:59 schrieb Urs Liska:
>> I can't really imagine how the font sizes will turn out on a real A0
>> poster, but I assume you have thought about that (or used tested
>> templates).
>
>Honestly, I have no experience about that. I blindly trusted the
>template that Urs has chosen:
>https://www.latextemplates.com/template/a0poster-landscape-poster
>The font size for the normal text turned out to be about 24 pt, that's
>what I used as well.
>
>I've just made a quick test: At a distance of 2 meters, I can clearly
>read it. With 3 meters, it's still possible but less comfortable.
>Should we go for even bigger font size?

I don't think so, thanks for checking.

The typical reading distance would be about 1-2 m at most, actually I'd say an 
arm's length.

Urs


>
>Cheers,
>Klaus

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Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Klaus Blum]

Hi Urs, hi Jan-Peter,

thanks for your feedback.

Am 12.01.2020 um 09:59 schrieb Urs Liska:

I can't really imagine how the font sizes will turn out on a real A0
poster, but I assume you have thought about that (or used tested
templates).


Honestly, I have no experience about that. I blindly trusted the
template that Urs has chosen:
https://www.latextemplates.com/template/a0poster-landscape-poster
The font size for the normal text turned out to be about 24 pt, that's
what I used as well.

I've just made a quick test: At a distance of 2 meters, I can clearly
read it. With 3 meters, it's still possible but less comfortable.
Should we go for even bigger font size?

Cheers,
Klaus

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hi Klaus,

this poster looks appealing and complete. The only comment I'd like to
give is what Urs already mentioned. Du you think the font-sizes are big
enough for A0 paper?

Jan-Peter

Am 12.01.20 um 00:54 schrieb Klaus Blum:
> Hi Jan-Peter, hi Werner,
>
> in cooperation with Urs Liska and Joram Berger, I have made a Poster
> about integrating LilyPond fragments into LibreOffice documents
> (OOoLilyPond / OLy) and into Wikipedia articles (MediaWiki).
> If anyone has suggestions what could be improved, I'm still open for
> anything.
> Especially for the MediaWiki part, I'm still unsure when to talk about
> the website "Wikipedia" or the software "Wikimedia" or the format
> "Wikitext" to be most comprehensible...
>
> Cheers,
> Klaus
>
>
>

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Urs Liska]

Hi Klaus,

Am Sonntag, den 12.01.2020, 00:54 +0100 schrieb Klaus Blum:
> Hi Jan-Peter, hi Werner,
> 
> in cooperation with Urs Liska and Joram Berger, 

Really? I can't recall any substantial contributions to that

> I have made a Poster
> about integrating LilyPond fragments into LibreOffice documents
> (OOoLilyPond / OLy) and into Wikipedia articles (MediaWiki).

Thank you very much, looks great and useful for the purpose!

> If anyone has suggestions what could be improved, I'm still open for
> anything.

I can't really imagine how the font sizes will turn out on a real A0
poster, but I assume you have thought about that (or used tested
templates).

Regarding the content I think it makes the point really well, giving
the right amount or *relevant* information in suitable and
understandable manner.

> Especially for the MediaWiki part, I'm still unsure when to talk
> about
> the website "Wikipedia" or the software "Wikimedia" or the format
> "Wikitext" to be most comprehensible...
> 

I can't comment on the wording part, but also in this column I think
the point is well made.

Best
Urs

> Cheers,
> Klaus
> 
> 
> 

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hello Fellows,

in December Werner asked for a poster for the conference. Did somebody
actually produce something?
The last days I tried something based on the baposter-LaTeX-class.
I'll not be able to finish the poster on my own until monday ... , but
if you'd like to collaborate on this topic or you have a poster, I can
donate some content to, please let me know!

Jan-Peter


Am 04.12.19 um 12:05 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
>
> Folks,
>
>
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> main part of the conference.
>
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
>
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?
>
>
> Werner
>

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Urs Liska]

Am 06.12.19 um 18:33 schrieb Urs Liska:


Am 06.12.19 um 07:30 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:

[...] I'll let you know if I think of anything else.

Great suggestions, from you and all other contributors!


I wish I could help a little more directly, but I'm in the middle of
a few very busy weeks.  I would like to be involved in some way next
year.

Well, we need all posters approximately one week before the conference
starts so that they can be plotted in time.  In other words, we need
something until Jan 9th, which gives us more than a month.

I think that using lyluatex might be a good option.  The main
question, however, is which poster class we should use.  Some ideas
can be found at

   https://www.latextemplates.com/cat/conference-posters   ;

another possibility could be

   http://www.brian-amberg.de/uni/poster   .

Urs, could you set up a git repository for a LilyPond poster?



I'm right now doing this initially.
I can set up a document class based on a template and check that 
lyluatex works.


I went for this template 
https://www.latextemplates.com/template/a0poster-landscape-poster 
because I think if the content is about a visual thing the medium 
should be not be a distraction. Also, it gives us plenty of room to 
organize content, and I think the header section is pretty practical 
for our purposes.


Right now I'm claiming the right to decide by means of being the one 
who *does* it, but that doesn't mean it is carved in stone. However, 
stripping the content from these sample templates does require some 
work, so we shouldn't to that too often.


Whoever wants to participate may either open a pull request or email 
me personally their Github user names.




Of course I should have stated that it is at 
https://github.com/openlilylib-resources/conference-posters/


It might also be an option to create two posters, one for »plain« 
LilyPond and one for Frescobaldi.


Urs


One thing to state in advance: In this case not only the printed 
poster is part of the exhibition but also the code repository, so the 
code should be exemplary.


Best
Urs





 Werner

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[mason]

On 12/06, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> Well, we need all posters approximately one week before the conference
> starts so that they can be plotted in time.  In other words, we need
> something until Jan 9th, which gives us more than a month.

Okay, I have some work to wrap up, but when I have time I'll see what I
can do if no one else has stepped up.

> I think that using lyluatex might be a good option.  The main
> question, however, is which poster class we should use.  Some ideas
> can be found at
> 
>   https://www.latextemplates.com/cat/conference-posters   ;
> 
> another possibility could be
> 
>   http://www.brian-amberg.de/uni/poster   .

Hopefully our decisions about what to include in the poster will then
inform our decisions about the layout.  I think we can start by coming
up with some text and snippets.

What language(s) should the text of the poster be in?


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Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Urs Liska]

Am 06.12.19 um 07:30 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:

[...] I'll let you know if I think of anything else.

Great suggestions, from you and all other contributors!


I wish I could help a little more directly, but I'm in the middle of
a few very busy weeks.  I would like to be involved in some way next
year.

Well, we need all posters approximately one week before the conference
starts so that they can be plotted in time.  In other words, we need
something until Jan 9th, which gives us more than a month.

I think that using lyluatex might be a good option.  The main
question, however, is which poster class we should use.  Some ideas
can be found at

   https://www.latextemplates.com/cat/conference-posters   ;

another possibility could be

   http://www.brian-amberg.de/uni/poster   .

Urs, could you set up a git repository for a LilyPond poster?



I'm right now doing this initially.
I can set up a document class based on a template and check that 
lyluatex works.


I went for this template 
https://www.latextemplates.com/template/a0poster-landscape-poster 
because I think if the content is about a visual thing the medium should 
be not be a distraction. Also, it gives us plenty of room to organize 
content, and I think the header section is pretty practical for our 
purposes.


Right now I'm claiming the right to decide by means of being the one who 
*does* it, but that doesn't mean it is carved in stone. However, 
stripping the content from these sample templates does require some 
work, so we shouldn't to that too often.


Whoever wants to participate may either open a pull request or email me 
personally their Github user names.


One thing to state in advance: In this case not only the printed poster 
is part of the exhibition but also the code repository, so the code 
should be exemplary.


Best
Urs





 Werner

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Jacques Menu]

Hello,

A unique feature of Lily is the ability to place scores in markups at will, 
that may be impressive.

JM

> Le 5 déc. 2019 à 20:48, ma...@masonhock.com a écrit :
> 
> On 12/04, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> 
>> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
>> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
>> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
>> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
>> main part of the conference.
>> 
>> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
>> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
>> 
>> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
>> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
>> conferences?
>> 
>> 
>>Werner
> 
> I don't have the time/skill to make a poster right now, but here are my
> first thoughts about some things which might be good to include.  In no
> particular order:
> 
> (1) Mention Frescobaldi, and include a screenshot which exposes the
> playback functionality.  While Frescobaldi is not the only way to use
> Lilypond, seeing a GUI and playback bar will likely be comforting to
> people used to graphical notational software who are intimidated by the
> idea of working with straight text files.
> 
> (2) Show off things which are easier in Lilypond than in graphical
> notation software.  Some things which come to mind are
> 
> * quarter tones
> 
> * \cadenzaOn and \cadenzaOff
> 
> * per-staff meters
> 
> * percussion input
> 
> (3) Keep Lilypond code snippets simple.  Focus on one thing per snippet.
> (For example, don't use any accidentals, except for a snippet
> demonstrating accidentals and quarter tone accidentals and nothing
> else.)  Lilypond's syntax often consists of English words and musical
> terms.  Try to stick to code that an English-speaking musician could
> parse without any familiarity with Lilypond.
> 
> (4) If the text of the poster is in English, use English note names.  If
> the text of the poster is not in English, I am on the fence as to
> whether it would be better to use note names consistent with the
> language of the poster, or to use English note names in order to be
> consistent with the language of Lilypond's syntax.  Or perhaps have only
> one example using accidentals at all, and demonstrate in multiple
> languages.
> 
> (5) Emphasize the high quality of Lilypond's default output,
> pre-tweaking.  Lilypond takes longer to learn than graphical notation
> software, but it makes up for that in the long run by requiring far less
> manual tweaking.  I rarely have to manually tweak anything other than
> slurs.  This also makes Lilypond more robust against layout changes,
> which when I used Sibelius always came with the risk of ruining my score
> and requiring hours of cleanup.
> 
> (6) Show off a simple macro example.  Another time-saving feature of
> Lilypond is the ability define a specific set of instructions once and
> apply it multiple times.  Back when I used Sibelius, I had a
> several-step process, which involved disabling and renabling magnetic
> layout and alternating between Ctrl+Up/Down and Up/Down, plus several
> clicks, in order to create an acceptable glissando, and I use a *lot* of
> glissandi in my music.  Doing this over and over again wasted countless
> hours of my life.  I'm sure many other composers/engravers have their
> own tedious workarounds that they would automate with a macro if they
> could.
> 
> (7) Also show off some fancy, Ferneyhough-esque or otherwise specialist
> examples, perhaps including some of the wackier stuff from the LSR,
> 
> http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1007
> 
> but without the Lilypond source code, in order to demonstrate what
> Lilypond is capable of without overwhelming people with too much code.
> Only include enough code  on the poster to demystify how Lilypond is
> actually used.
> 
> (8) As free software, Lilypond does not require a subscription or a EULA
> or any other loss of autonomy over the ability to access your work now
> or in the future.  Moreover, Lilypond files are human readable/editable
> without even having a copy of Lilypond.  Both are advantages in terms of
> long-term sustainability and preservation.
> 
> (9) Include some of the information from here,
> 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page#engraving-details
> 
> in order to show off Lilypond's attention to detail.
> 
> (10) The ability to use LyLuaTex, Edition-Engraver, and version control
> also come to mind as huge advantages of using Lilypond, but they might
> be too much to explain briefly on a poster.
> 
> (11) Even without the knowledge of scheme needed to extend Lilypond
> yourself, someone the mailing list can often provide an include snippet
> to achieve what you want.  Good luck convincing AVID to implement a new
> feature just for your unique use case.  The helpfulness of 

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Werner LEMBERG]

> [...] I'll let you know if I think of anything else.

Great suggestions, from you and all other contributors!

> I wish I could help a little more directly, but I'm in the middle of
> a few very busy weeks.  I would like to be involved in some way next
> year.

Well, we need all posters approximately one week before the conference
starts so that they can be plotted in time.  In other words, we need
something until Jan 9th, which gives us more than a month.

I think that using lyluatex might be a good option.  The main
question, however, is which poster class we should use.  Some ideas
can be found at

  https://www.latextemplates.com/cat/conference-posters   ;

another possibility could be

  http://www.brian-amberg.de/uni/poster   .

Urs, could you set up a git repository for a LilyPond poster?


Werner

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Urs Liska]

Hi Jan-Peter,

that sounds like a very nice idea.

However, I'm so involved in the conference already (along with my other 
duties which are quite overwhelming right now) that I can't commit to 
that beyond maybe occasional commenting or helping out with some 
lyluatex syntax/options.


From what I see in this thread I have the impression that it's 
necessary that *someone* steps out, creates a repository and a basic 
file, having some confidence not to stay alone with the task.


Best
Urs

Am 05.12.19 um 15:43 schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt:

Hi Werner, hi Bernhard, and especially Urs ;-),

what about using a LaTeX a0poster-template together with lyluatex? That
would make collaboration with GIT straightforward.
A quick search brought up these templates:
https://www.cfd.tu-berlin.de/~panek/tex/poster/poster.html
http://www.latextemplates.com/cat/conference-posters

Though, the template(s) need some adaption to work with lualatex.

Even though my schedule is quite tight I would like to contribute.
I have obtained the permission from two publishers to use single
excerpts/pictures from the St.Mark passion (Ortus Berlin, I will talk
about it) and a contemporary score composed by Hermann Keller (Edition
Juliane Klein Berlin).

Jan-Peter


Am 04.12.19 um 12:05 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:

Folks,


the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
main part of the conference.

Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.

Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
conferences?


 Werner

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Vaughan McAlley]

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019, 02:14  wrote:

> David Menéndez Hurtado:
> ...
> > I think it is a good idea to gather some statistics on what drew people
> to
> > Lilypond, so I have made a quick and informal survey:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScAhjveMwqAD50YXLsWnclPILT2j20xaroeZ3QolAUFWRA_vA/viewform
> >
> > Hopefully, we can converge on a few things that make people start and
> stick
> > to highlight on the poster. I am sure I am missing things, that is why I
> > called it informal, so please add suggestions. I will add them to the
> > options.
>
> Not fond of thoose web forms/sites.
>
> I mentioned four possible headers:
>
> . quality in detail
>
> . excellent print quality
>
> . one source, multiple output variations
>   like Simon Albrecht pointed to, and which I was thinking about
>
> . flexibility, whatever you need, it can be done
>
> Do you have any input on thoose, or do you suggest some other poster
> topic ?
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
>

A couple of things I love about Lilypond that was lacking in Finale 2012
are:

• Automatic page layout, not having the last page have one measure then
having to distribute measures evenly over the last few pages.

• Vertical spacing takes account of music and objects. For example, in
Finale 2012 the position of lyrics below the staff is fixed and needs to be
adjusted system by system (such as when alto lines go low and bump into the
lyrics). Lilypond takes care of this automatically.

Both of these (especially the second) could be illustrated easily enough in
a side-box with well-crafted examples. I imagine Dorico would handle these
situations better, and for all I know Finale post-2012 does too, but if it
doesn't, the poster viewer could be thinking “There's something I have to
do to every single piece that I wouldn't have to with Lilypond”.

Vaughan

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[mason]

On 12/04, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> 
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> main part of the conference.
> 
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> 
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?
> 
> 
> Werner

I don't have the time/skill to make a poster right now, but here are my
first thoughts about some things which might be good to include.  In no
particular order:

(1) Mention Frescobaldi, and include a screenshot which exposes the
playback functionality.  While Frescobaldi is not the only way to use
Lilypond, seeing a GUI and playback bar will likely be comforting to
people used to graphical notational software who are intimidated by the
idea of working with straight text files.

(2) Show off things which are easier in Lilypond than in graphical
notation software.  Some things which come to mind are

* quarter tones

* \cadenzaOn and \cadenzaOff

* per-staff meters

* percussion input

(3) Keep Lilypond code snippets simple.  Focus on one thing per snippet.
(For example, don't use any accidentals, except for a snippet
demonstrating accidentals and quarter tone accidentals and nothing
else.)  Lilypond's syntax often consists of English words and musical
terms.  Try to stick to code that an English-speaking musician could
parse without any familiarity with Lilypond.

(4) If the text of the poster is in English, use English note names.  If
the text of the poster is not in English, I am on the fence as to
whether it would be better to use note names consistent with the
language of the poster, or to use English note names in order to be
consistent with the language of Lilypond's syntax.  Or perhaps have only
one example using accidentals at all, and demonstrate in multiple
languages.

(5) Emphasize the high quality of Lilypond's default output,
pre-tweaking.  Lilypond takes longer to learn than graphical notation
software, but it makes up for that in the long run by requiring far less
manual tweaking.  I rarely have to manually tweak anything other than
slurs.  This also makes Lilypond more robust against layout changes,
which when I used Sibelius always came with the risk of ruining my score
and requiring hours of cleanup.

(6) Show off a simple macro example.  Another time-saving feature of
Lilypond is the ability define a specific set of instructions once and
apply it multiple times.  Back when I used Sibelius, I had a
several-step process, which involved disabling and renabling magnetic
layout and alternating between Ctrl+Up/Down and Up/Down, plus several
clicks, in order to create an acceptable glissando, and I use a *lot* of
glissandi in my music.  Doing this over and over again wasted countless
hours of my life.  I'm sure many other composers/engravers have their
own tedious workarounds that they would automate with a macro if they
could.

(7) Also show off some fancy, Ferneyhough-esque or otherwise specialist
examples, perhaps including some of the wackier stuff from the LSR,

http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=1007

but without the Lilypond source code, in order to demonstrate what
Lilypond is capable of without overwhelming people with too much code.
Only include enough code  on the poster to demystify how Lilypond is
actually used.

(8) As free software, Lilypond does not require a subscription or a EULA
or any other loss of autonomy over the ability to access your work now
or in the future.  Moreover, Lilypond files are human readable/editable
without even having a copy of Lilypond.  Both are advantages in terms of
long-term sustainability and preservation.

(9) Include some of the information from here,

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page#engraving-details

in order to show off Lilypond's attention to detail.

(10) The ability to use LyLuaTex, Edition-Engraver, and version control
also come to mind as huge advantages of using Lilypond, but they might
be too much to explain briefly on a poster.

(11) Even without the knowledge of scheme needed to extend Lilypond
yourself, someone the mailing list can often provide an include snippet
to achieve what you want.  Good luck convincing AVID to implement a new
feature just for your unique use case.  The helpfulness of Lilypond's
community might be something to mention on the poster.

(12) Describe some ways in which Lilypond has been used in large
projects.  Some of Urs's work comes to mind.  MediaWiki/Wikipedia
integration might also be something to mention.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Score

(13) Include one full page of a complex and highly-polished score.

I'll 

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[karl]

David Menéndez Hurtado:
...
> I think it is a good idea to gather some statistics on what drew people to
> Lilypond, so I have made a quick and informal survey:
> 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScAhjveMwqAD50YXLsWnclPILT2j20xaroeZ3QolAUFWRA_vA/viewform
> 
> Hopefully, we can converge on a few things that make people start and stick
> to highlight on the poster. I am sure I am missing things, that is why I
> called it informal, so please add suggestions. I will add them to the
> options.

Not fond of thoose web forms/sites.

I mentioned four possible headers:

. quality in detail

. excellent print quality

. one source, multiple output variations
  like Simon Albrecht pointed to, and which I was thinking about

. flexibility, whatever you need, it can be done

Do you have any input on thoose, or do you suggest some other poster 
topic ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[David Menéndez Hurtado]

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019, 1:41 am Andrew Bernard, 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have seen lots of A0 posters for medical and scientific research
> congresses. Here's an article that summarizes exactly what I think
> about conference posters.
>
> https://colinpurrington.com/tips/poster-design/



That is a great article.


I think it is a good idea to gather some statistics on what drew people to
Lilypond, so I have made a quick and informal survey:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScAhjveMwqAD50YXLsWnclPILT2j20xaroeZ3QolAUFWRA_vA/viewform

Hopefully, we can converge on a few things that make people start and stick
to highlight on the poster. I am sure I am missing things, that is why I
called it informal, so please add suggestions. I will add them to the
options.



>
>
>

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Urs Liska]

Hi David,

Am 04.12.19 um 19:44 schrieb David Menéndez Hurtado:

Hi,

I have some experience making posters for conferences, so I will share 
in case anyone is up for stepping up.



Yes, the idea is ideally to do that in a collaborative fashion.




For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that 
you want the reader to take home. What drew me to Lilypond was the 
essay, so that is what I would turn into a poster: 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page.html

It is visual, straightforward, and a good case for Lilypond.



I think this is a very good suggestion.




Once you have grabbed someone's attention, you may include one or two 
side stories. This must be short and sweet, but feel free to go into 
technical details. For example, the ability to engrave Gregorian 
chant, the possibility of arbitrarily expand it with Scheme code, or 
that you can write the notes in any language (yay! I don't have to 
spend time thinking what note D is!).


The poster shouldn't necessarily stand on its own if someone is 
willing to be there during the poster session to explain and expand. 
You definitely don't want to put a cheat sheet or a manual because no 
one is going to learn Lilypond at the poster session, the goal is to 
make it memorable so they go home and learn it. Snippets are fine, but 
completeness is not required nor desirable. A personal workflow can be 
useful on the side, for someone already familiar with Lilypond or 
convinced of its coolness.



We can also have the option to show more than one poster, with one 
driving home that main point while another may be good to showcase one 
or more crazy applications.






Re-reading my email I realised I may sound a bit too harsh,



not at all, it is straight to the point and good at it.

Best
Urs


so please do not take it badly, it wasn't meant like that. I have been 
to plenty of conferences with professional scientists, that are 
supposed to do this for a living, with terrible terrible posters. The 
result is that people just gloss over, and only the two people that 
were already interested (and likely knew the project) ever talk about 
it. Also, in an engineering students recruiting fair, I saw plenty of 
posters that seemed aimed at investors, so recruiters seem to be bad 
at this too. There are very few good examples to learn from in the wild.


I hope this helps.

/David.


On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:10, > wrote:


Werner:
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible. While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) –
some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond
in the
> main part of the conference.
>
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that
shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
>
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?

I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.

Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster
would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Andrew Bernard]

Hi All,

I have seen lots of A0 posters for medical and scientific research
congresses. Here's an article that summarizes exactly what I think
about conference posters.

https://colinpurrington.com/tips/poster-design/

Andrew

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[karl]

David:
...
> For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that you
> want the reader to take home.
...

So, should the main point be 

. quality in detail

. excellent print quality

. one source, multiple output variations
  like Simon Albrecht pointed to, and which I was thinking about

. flexibility, whatever you need, it can be done

or anything else

The hosts are
 Abteilung für Komposition und Musiktheorie der Universität Mozarteum
 Gesellschaft für Musiktheorie
so maybe something that wets their tastes.

Various printed works examples are fine, but they should be aye 
catching. Unfortunable that amounts mostly to the cover, not to the 
content...

My experience with various choir directors etc. is that if your 
beutiful scores have some flaw (e.g. a wrong note whatever) they prefer 
thoose crappy copies of some crappy copy.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Karlin High]

On 12/4/2019 2:40 PM, Simon Albrecht wrote:

some of the best engravings done with Lily


How about having various made-with-Lilypond printed works on display as 
well as the poster?

--
Karlin High
Missouri, USA

Re: Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Simon Albrecht]

Hi David,

No need to apologize! It's great that you can and want to share that valuable 
expertise.
I would add that even Gregorian chant is probably too niche, and that Lily’s 
handling of ligatures and other aspects isn't quite on a level that one would 
want to showcase it…
I could provide good examples of typesets of 16th century music, where Lily 
excels with the possibility to enter source code in great fidelity to the 
original and get various styles of modern edition with a few keystrokes – 
unless that is considered too niche as well.
Else I'd nominate Kieren Macmillan, who has some of the best engravings done 
with Lily and can make a great case for Lily as the best tool for the job ;-)

Best, Simon

> On 04.12.2019 - 19:45, David Menéndez Hurtado wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I have some experience making posters for conferences, so I will share in 
> case anyone is up for stepping up.
> 
> 
> For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that you 
> want the reader to take home. What drew me to Lilypond was the essay, so that 
> is what I would turn into a poster: 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page.html
> 
> It is visual, straightforward, and a good case for Lilypond.
> 
> 
> Once you have grabbed someone's attention, you may include one or two side 
> stories. This must be short and sweet, but feel free to go into technical 
> details. For example, the ability to engrave Gregorian chant, the possibility 
> of arbitrarily expand it with Scheme code, or that you can write the notes in 
> any language (yay! I don't have to spend time thinking what note D is!).
> 
> 
> The poster shouldn't necessarily stand on its own if someone is willing to be 
> there during the poster session to explain and expand. You definitely don't 
> want to put a cheat sheet or a manual because no one is going to learn 
> Lilypond at the poster session, the goal is to make it memorable so they go 
> home and learn it. Snippets are fine, but completeness is not required nor 
> desirable. A personal workflow can be useful on the side, for someone already 
> familiar with Lilypond or convinced of its coolness.
> 
> 
> 
> Re-reading my email I realised I may sound a bit too harsh, so please do not 
> take it badly, it wasn't meant like that. I have been to plenty of 
> conferences with professional scientists, that are supposed to do this for a 
> living, with terrible terrible posters. The result is that people just gloss 
> over, and only the two people that were already interested (and likely knew 
> the project) ever talk about it. Also, in an engineering students recruiting 
> fair, I saw plenty of posters that seemed aimed at investors, so recruiters 
> seem to be bad at this too. There are very few good examples to learn from in 
> the wild.
> 
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> 
> /David.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:10,  wrote:
> 
> Werner:
> > the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> > present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> > companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> > even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> > main part of the conference.
> > 
> > Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> > LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> > 
> > Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> > poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> > conferences?
> 
> I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
> I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.
> 
> Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster 
> would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?
> 
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[David Menéndez Hurtado]

Hi,

I have some experience making posters for conferences, so I will share in
case anyone is up for stepping up.

For a conference, you want to focus the poster in one single idea that you
want the reader to take home. What drew me to Lilypond was the essay, so
that is what I would turn into a poster:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/essay-big-page.html
It is visual, straightforward, and a good case for Lilypond.

Once you have grabbed someone's attention, you may include one or two side
stories. This must be short and sweet, but feel free to go into technical
details. For example, the ability to engrave Gregorian chant, the
possibility of arbitrarily expand it with Scheme code, or that you can
write the notes in any language (yay! I don't have to spend time thinking
what note D is!).

The poster shouldn't necessarily stand on its own if someone is willing to
be there during the poster session to explain and expand. You definitely
don't want to put a cheat sheet or a manual because no one is going to
learn Lilypond at the poster session, the goal is to make it memorable so
they go home and learn it. Snippets are fine, but completeness is not
required nor desirable. A personal workflow can be useful on the side, for
someone already familiar with Lilypond or convinced of its coolness.


Re-reading my email I realised I may sound a bit too harsh, so please do
not take it badly, it wasn't meant like that. I have been to plenty of
conferences with professional scientists, that are supposed to do this for
a living, with terrible terrible posters. The result is that people just
gloss over, and only the two people that were already interested (and
likely knew the project) ever talk about it. Also, in an engineering
students recruiting fair, I saw plenty of posters that seemed aimed at
investors, so recruiters seem to be bad at this too. There are very few
good examples to learn from in the wild.

I hope this helps.

/David.


On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 15:10,  wrote:

> Werner:
> > the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> > present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> > companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> > even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> > main part of the conference.
> >
> > Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> > LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> >
> > Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> > poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> > conferences?
>
> I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
> I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.
>
> Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster
> would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?
>
> Regards,
> /Karl Hammar
>
>
>
>

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[karl]

Werner:
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> main part of the conference.
> 
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> 
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?

I could do a poster about my workflow and what features it brings me.
I'd also much like to attend but I cannot afford the travel expenses.

Regarding lilypond in general I dont know what that kind of poster 
would contain, the lerning manual in a poster format ?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

Re: Poster for music engraving conference

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2019-12-04 um 12:05 schrieb Werner LEMBERG :
> 
> Folks,
> 
> the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
> present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
> companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
> even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
> main part of the conference.
> 
> Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
> LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.
> 
> Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
> poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
> conferences?

Sorry, can’t help, but there is this nice (but outdated) cheat sheet by 
Reinhold Kainhofer:
http://edition-kainhofer.com/de/lilypond/511/lilypond-cheatsheet-detail.html

I think it would be suitable as a (secondary) poster, if he (or someone else) 
would update it.

I found also the visual index (2017) and the German cheatsheet (2014) by Joram 
Berger (i.e. also outdated), but no download links for them.

Kainhofer’s looks better, Berger’s contain more. None is a presentational 
poster.

Best, Hraban

Poster for music engraving conference

[Werner LEMBERG]

Folks,


the music engraving conference in Salzburg (January 17.-19.) aims to
present as much note engraving programs as possible.  While some
companies send representatives (e.g., Dorico, Capella, Finale) – some
even with talks – we don't have something similar for LilyPond in the
main part of the conference.

Instead, we would like to have a poster (in A0 format) that shows how
LilyPond works, together with some showcase results.

Now my question: Are there people who are willing to produce such a
poster?  Has anyone already done something similar for other
conferences?


Werner