Re: Make Tie a Slur
Am 21.04.2012 17:53, schrieb Pavel Roskin:
Quoting Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
Hello,
I have 70 pieces with ties and slurs here. They are already in Lilypond
with the correct syntax.
Now my publisher says he wants that ties look like slurs.
I couldn't disagree more but I have no choice here.
Any suggestions how make the ties look like slurs without changing them
all manually?
It may be possible to write an engraver that would get tie events,
hide ties and create slurs instead. But I see little motivation to do
something that won't improve music typesetting.
You may want to replace ties with macros that can expand to a slur or
to a tie.
%% Insane publisher
%tieStart = (
%tieEnd = )
% Sane publisher
tieStart = ~
tieEnd = {}
{ c'' \tieStart c'' \tieEnd }
I don't think this is something the OP wants to do as he has 70 finished
pieces.
What he wants is a general override to achieve the desired look, isn't it?
Nils, you might get help if you tell us what it is you want to achieve.
Maybe post images of the current and the desired output?
Best
Urs
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Re: Make Tie a Slur
Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:47:57 +0200
schrieb Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de:
Am 21.04.2012 17:53, schrieb Pavel Roskin:
Quoting Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
Hello,
I have 70 pieces with ties and slurs here. They are already in
Lilypond with the correct syntax.
Now my publisher says he wants that ties look like slurs.
I couldn't disagree more but I have no choice here.
Any suggestions how make the ties look like slurs without changing
them all manually?
It may be possible to write an engraver that would get tie events,
hide ties and create slurs instead. But I see little motivation to
do something that won't improve music typesetting.
You may want to replace ties with macros that can expand to a slur
or to a tie.
%% Insane publisher
%tieStart = (
%tieEnd = )
% Sane publisher
tieStart = ~
tieEnd = {}
{ c'' \tieStart c'' \tieEnd }
I don't think this is something the OP wants to do as he has 70
finished pieces.
What he wants is a general override to achieve the desired look,
isn't it?
Nils, you might get help if you tell us what it is you want to
achieve. Maybe post images of the current and the desired output?
Best
Urs
The end results are ties that look like slurs. And slurs should look
like slurs as well :) The idea is a more curved version. When I asked
the publisher for an example he told me the real slurs are perfectly
fine. He sees no distinction between a slur and a tie. For him it is
only the context which decides if it is a slur or a tie. This is so
wrong, but what can I do...
While it is not impossible to regexp my way through the files I would
be happy to find a less intrusive solution since I want to use the
files for myself in the end privately. With real ties.
Nils
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Re: Make Tie a Slur
Am 22.04.2012 15:05, schrieb Nils:
Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:47:57 +0200
schrieb Urs Liskali...@ursliska.de:
Am 21.04.2012 17:53, schrieb Pavel Roskin:
Quoting Nilsl...@nilsgey.de:
Hello,
I have 70 pieces with ties and slurs here. They are already in
Lilypond with the correct syntax.
Now my publisher says he wants that ties look like slurs.
I couldn't disagree more but I have no choice here.
Any suggestions how make the ties look like slurs without changing
them all manually?
It may be possible to write an engraver that would get tie events,
hide ties and create slurs instead. But I see little motivation to
do something that won't improve music typesetting.
You may want to replace ties with macros that can expand to a slur
or to a tie.
%% Insane publisher
%tieStart = (
%tieEnd = )
% Sane publisher
tieStart = ~
tieEnd = {}
{ c'' \tieStart c'' \tieEnd }
I don't think this is something the OP wants to do as he has 70
finished pieces.
What he wants is a general override to achieve the desired look,
isn't it?
Nils, you might get help if you tell us what it is you want to
achieve. Maybe post images of the current and the desired output?
Best
Urs
The end results are ties that look like slurs. And slurs should look
like slurs as well :) The idea is a more curved version. When I asked
the publisher for an example he told me the real slurs are perfectly
fine. He sees no distinction between a slur and a tie. For him it is
only the context which decides if it is a slur or a tie. This is so
wrong, but what can I do...
While it is not impossible to regexp my way through the files I would
be happy to find a less intrusive solution since I want to use the
files for myself in the end privately. With real ties.
Nils
Then please make a few tiny examples comparing real ties and real slurs
instead of them.
Probably I won't be of much help then (although I may try).
But this would be a concrete question which probably would trigger some
assistance on this list ;-)
Best
Urs
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Re: Make Tie a Slur
Am 22.04.2012 15:05, schrieb Nils:
I have 70 pieces with ties and slurs here. They are already in
Lilypond with the correct syntax.
Now my publisher says he wants that ties look like slurs.
I couldn't disagree more but I have no choice here.
Any suggestions how make the ties look like slurs without changing
them all manually?
The end results are ties that look like slurs. And slurs should look
like slurs as well :) The idea is a more curved version. When I asked
the publisher for an example he told me the real slurs are perfectly
fine.
Well it doesn't look exactly like a slur. But your publisher might be
satisfied with the Tie ratio:
\relative c'' {
c~ c
c( c)
\override Tie #'details #'ratio = #2
c~c
}
This does not change the start and end position of the tie but it is
more curved.
He sees no distinction between a slur and a tie. For him it is
only the context which decides if it is a slur or a tie. This is so
wrong, but what can I do...
I heard this from several musicians that just read the score. They look
at each note (or slur or tie ...) only for the fraction of a second.
Regards,
Helge
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Re: Make Tie a Slur
Quoting Nils l...@nilsgey.de:
Hello,
I have 70 pieces with ties and slurs here. They are already in Lilypond
with the correct syntax.
Now my publisher says he wants that ties look like slurs.
I couldn't disagree more but I have no choice here.
Any suggestions how make the ties look like slurs without changing them
all manually?
It may be possible to write an engraver that would get tie events,
hide ties and create slurs instead. But I see little motivation to do
something that won't improve music typesetting.
You may want to replace ties with macros that can expand to a slur or
to a tie.
%% Insane publisher
%tieStart = (
%tieEnd = )
% Sane publisher
tieStart = ~
tieEnd = {}
{ c'' \tieStart c'' \tieEnd }
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Regards,
Pavel Roskin
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