Re: modern accidentals rule
On 10 Nov 2009, at 07:25, David Kastrup wrote: BTW, I have found a strange behaviour of modern accidentals rule: LilyPond considers volta alternatives as previous measure. Is this correct? (Note the natural sign at the 2nd and 3rd alternatives, not related to the previous _played_ measure.) I do not know. I am not an expert on the different accidental rules, nor on the standard engraving practices for accidentals in alternatives. But I would expect that the last measure of the repeat should serve as the previous measure for each of the alternatives. And it should serve as the previous measure for starting ties and slurs and key and meter changes. And the first measure of the repeat should serve as the following measure for unfinished ties and slurs for all of the alternatives except the last one (which means that tie and slur directions should match and the tie/slur should extend to the bar line rather than trigger an error). One way to express it, is that it should be fit together when expanded: repeats is just a shorthand for the expanded version. When writing down some Balkan music, I have found it might be suitable with alternatives in other positions, like the beginning and the middle. One use is to indicate variations in the performance. Hans ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 08:45:24AM +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote: Didn't you already push it? It appeared in my git tree, but maybe I committed it locally but forgot about it? If it's already pushed, you'll need to make a new patch against master; go ahead and push that. Hi Graham, I don't think I have write permissions in the git repository so if it has been pushed it's from Carl. Ok, I fixed it. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:14:33PM +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote: Could you prepare a patch adding the known behavior and this workaround to the Known Issues in Displaying pitches in pitches.itely? Here is a patch for the Notation Reference. Sorry for the delay. Is the \bar |. vital for this issue? If not, policy is to omit it. (I haven't looked at the actual thread) Other than that, thanks for the fix! Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
Sorry for the delay. Is the \bar |. vital for this issue? If not, policy is to omit it. Can be removed. Here is the patch without it. Frédéric 0001-known-issue-in-NR-extra-cautionnary-accidentals-in-a.patch Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:45:32PM +0100, Frédéric Bron wrote: Sorry for the delay. Is the \bar |. vital for this issue? If not, policy is to omit it. Can be removed. Here is the patch without it. Didn't you already push it? It appeared in my git tree, but maybe I committed it locally but forgot about it? If it's already pushed, you'll need to make a new patch against master; go ahead and push that. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
Didn't you already push it? It appeared in my git tree, but maybe I committed it locally but forgot about it? If it's already pushed, you'll need to make a new patch against master; go ahead and push that. Hi Graham, I don't think I have write permissions in the git repository so if it has been pushed it's from Carl. Frédéric ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
Could you prepare a patch adding the known behavior and this workaround to the Known Issues in Displaying pitches in pitches.itely? Here is a patch for the Notation Reference. Frédéric 0001-known-issue-in-NR-extra-cautionnary-accidentals-in-a.patch Description: Binary data ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule
Frédéric Bron wrote: BTW, I have found a strange behaviour of modern accidentals rule: LilyPond considers volta alternatives as previous measure. Is this correct? (Note the natural sign at the 2nd and 3rd alternatives, not related to the previous _played_ measure.) Yes, this is known behaviour. Here is the workaround I use: [...] Thanks! Hudson ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
BTW, I have found a strange behaviour of modern accidentals rule:
LilyPond considers volta alternatives as previous measure. Is this
correct? (Note the natural sign at the 2nd and 3rd alternatives, not
related to the previous _played_ measure.)
Yes, this is known behaviour. Here is the workaround I use:
First you define the follwing function:
forget = #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?) #{
#(set-accidental-style 'forget)
$music
#(set-accidental-style 'modern)
#})
And then, you use it in front of the note which you do not want the
sharp of flat in front of:
\repeat { c } \alternative { { cis } { \forget c } }
Frédéric
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Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
Frederic,
Thanks for the info.
On 11/10/09 11:55 AM, Frédéric Bron frederic.b...@m4x.org wrote:
BTW, I have found a strange behaviour of modern accidentals rule:
LilyPond considers volta alternatives as previous measure. Is this
correct? (Note the natural sign at the 2nd and 3rd alternatives, not
related to the previous _played_ measure.)
Yes, this is known behaviour. Here is the workaround I use:
First you define the follwing function:
forget = #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?) #{
#(set-accidental-style 'forget)
$music
#(set-accidental-style 'modern)
#})
And then, you use it in front of the note which you do not want the
sharp of flat in front of:
\repeat { c } \alternative { { cis } { \forget c } }
Could you prepare a patch adding the known behavior and this workaround to
the Known Issues in Displaying pitches in pitches.itely?
Thanks,
Carl
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Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
Could you prepare a patch adding the known behavior and this workaround to the Known Issues in Displaying pitches in pitches.itely? OK, I will do that. Frédéric --- Frédéric Bron (frederic.b...@m4x.org) Villa des Quatre Chemins, Centre Hospitalier, BP 208 38506 VOIRON CEDEX tél. : (33) 4 76 67 17 27 ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: modern accidentals rule (was: Re: Bad spacing (gap) when large interval and accidental)
On 11/9/09 5:58 PM, Hudson Flávio Meneses Lacerda
hfmlace...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
Carl Sorensen wrote:
While this may be syntactically valid LilyPond code, it seems to me to be
improper (i.e. to not match the intent of the input construction}.
Hi Carl,
Thanks for the correction. I have changed my code to:
\new PianoStaff {
\new Staff = cima { \Global \VozAguda }
\new Staff = baixo { \Global \VozGrave }
}
(with no \\)
Excellent!
BTW, I have found a strange behaviour of modern accidentals rule:
LilyPond considers volta alternatives as previous measure. Is this
correct? (Note the natural sign at the 2nd and 3rd alternatives, not
related to the previous _played_ measure.)
I do not know. I am not an expert on the different accidental rules, nor on
the standard engraving practices for accidentals in alternatives. But I
would expect that the last measure of the repeat should serve as the
previous measure for each of the alternatives.
I've passed this message along to -user to get thoughts from those who are
much more knowledgeable than I.
\version 2.13.7
\paper{ ragged-right=##t }
{
#(set-accidental-style 'modern)
\repeat volta 3 {
a'4 f'' d'' e''
}
\alternative {
{ d''2 cis'' }
{ \times 2/3 {c'8 e' g'} c''4 des'' c'' }
{ d''2 c'' }
}
}
Thanks,
Carl
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Re: modern accidentals rule
Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu writes: On 11/9/09 5:58 PM, Hudson Flávio Meneses Lacerda BTW, I have found a strange behaviour of modern accidentals rule: LilyPond considers volta alternatives as previous measure. Is this correct? (Note the natural sign at the 2nd and 3rd alternatives, not related to the previous _played_ measure.) I do not know. I am not an expert on the different accidental rules, nor on the standard engraving practices for accidentals in alternatives. But I would expect that the last measure of the repeat should serve as the previous measure for each of the alternatives. And it should serve as the previous measure for starting ties and slurs and key and meter changes. And the first measure of the repeat should serve as the following measure for unfinished ties and slurs for all of the alternatives except the last one (which means that tie and slur directions should match and the tie/slur should extend to the bar line rather than trigger an error). -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
