Re: OT: http://www.frappr.com/linux390
Rob van der Heij wrote: It does not get much more off-topic than this, but with the new technology you have to act quick ;-) I started a frappr map for the linux390 community members. Interresting to see that there are no linux390 community members in Boeblingen ;-) -- Carsten Otte IBM Linux technology center ARCH=s390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
PASSWD in Linux
Hi Does anyone know if there is a way to change someones password in Linux from a script. Pls teach me. TIA Thomas Broman -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: http://www.frappr.com/linux390
On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 22:05 +0100, Rob van der Heij wrote: I started a frappr map for the linux390 community members. I was browsing the map and ran into Jay's entry. There's a photo, and he's wearing The Suit. I came *this close* to snorting my coffee. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: http://www.frappr.com/linux390
On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:57:26AM -0500, David Andrews wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 22:05 +0100, Rob van der Heij wrote: I started a frappr map for the linux390 community members. I was browsing the map and ran into Jay's entry. There's a photo, and he's wearing The Suit. I came *this close* to snorting my coffee. Glad to hear I brightened your day... :-) -- Jay Maynard, K5ZChttp://www.conmicro.cx http://www.hercules-390.org http://www.tronguy.net http://jmaynard.livejournal.com (Yes, that's me!) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PASSWD in Linux
Hi Thomas you can use : chpasswd(pkg. shadow-utils) #!/bin/bash #i.e in this way it uses std input ( echo pippo: | chpasswd ) uid='pippo' # userid psw='' # get psw cmd_x=echo $uid:$psw|$chg_psw # set cmd to chg psw $cmd_x .. in other way you can use an input file. se chpasswd man page. Cordiali saluti / Best regards Marco Thomas Broman [EMAIL PROTECTED] lsen.se To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject PASSWD in Linux 09-01-06 14.02 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Hi Does anyone know if there is a way to change someones password in Linux from a script. Pls teach me. TIA Thomas Broman -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Certifications
I'm sure this is a flamewar-inspiring topic, but that's not my goal. Are LPI/RHCE-type certifications worthwhile? I've asked a couple of folks and gotten lukewarm answers, although If you're not the one paying for them, they're more worthwhile seemed to be a common theme. Any/all answers welcome; if folks want to reply off-list, I'll summarize in a few days. Thanks, -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III Levanta, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (703) 476-4511 (office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) Levanta. Get More Out of Linux -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Certifications
Phil, My personal experience has been that most vendors certification programs are either far too easy where you can make intelligent guesses to pass (multiple choice question types) or too broad in focus (jack of all trades, master of none..). The one exception has been the RHCE. The RHCE exam is completely hands-on and really requires practical OS experience and knowledge to pass. You can be fairly certain that someone with an RHCE knows how to set up, configure and most importantly troubleshoot and fix RHEL related issues. It is pretty expensive at $750 just to take the exam, so if you're paying for it yourself it would be best to know what you are jumping into prior to taking it. I do know a number of experienced Unix professionals that have failed it. Regards, Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Certifications I'm sure this is a flamewar-inspiring topic, but that's not my goal. Are LPI/RHCE-type certifications worthwhile? I've asked a couple of folks and gotten lukewarm answers, although If you're not the one paying for them, they're more worthwhile seemed to be a common theme. Any/all answers welcome; if folks want to reply off-list, I'll summarize in a few days. Thanks, -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III Levanta, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (703) 476-4511 (office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) Levanta. Get More Out of Linux -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PASSWD in Linux
Thanks Marco for your reply. Thomas Hi Thomas you can use : chpasswd(pkg. shadow-utils) #!/bin/bash #i.e in this way it uses std input ( echo pippo: | chpasswd ) uid='pippo' # userid psw='' # get psw cmd_x=echo $uid:$psw|$chg_psw # set cmd to chg psw $cmd_x .. in other way you can use an input file. se chpasswd man page. Cordiali saluti / Best regards Marco Thomas Broman [EMAIL PROTECTED] lsen.se To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject PASSWD in Linux 09-01-06 14.02 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Hi Does anyone know if there is a way to change someones password in Linux from a script. Pls teach me. TIA Thomas Broman -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Certifications
I agree. The RHCE exam put enough pressure on you to simulate a real world troubleshooting event. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/06 9:57 am Phil, My personal experience has been that most vendors certification programs are either far too easy where you can make intelligent guesses to pass (multiple choice question types) or too broad in focus (jack of all trades, master of none..). The one exception has been the RHCE. The RHCE exam is completely hands-on and really requires practical OS experience and knowledge to pass. You can be fairly certain that someone with an RHCE knows how to set up, configure and most importantly troubleshoot and fix RHEL related issues. It is pretty expensive at $750 just to take the exam, so if you're paying for it yourself it would be best to know what you are jumping into prior to taking it. I do know a number of experienced Unix professionals that have failed it. Regards, Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Certifications I'm sure this is a flamewar-inspiring topic, but that's not my goal. Are LPI/RHCE-type certifications worthwhile? I've asked a couple of folks and gotten lukewarm answers, although If you're not the one paying for them, they're more worthwhile seemed to be a common theme. Any/all answers welcome; if folks want to reply off-list, I'll summarize in a few days. Thanks, -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III Levanta, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (703) 476-4511 (office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) Levanta. Get More Out of Linux -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: http://www.frappr.com/linux390
I'm not sure dying from snorting coffee actually counts as _brightening_ someone's day. :) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:03 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: OT: http://www.frappr.com/linux390 On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 08:57:26AM -0500, David Andrews wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 22:05 +0100, Rob van der Heij wrote: I started a frappr map for the linux390 community members. I was browsing the map and ran into Jay's entry. There's a photo, and he's wearing The Suit. I came *this close* to snorting my coffee. Glad to hear I brightened your day... :-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Certifications
Phil, I guess I should ask, worthwhile for whom? The person getting certified? Their employer? The person hiring the certified person/their employer? What exactly are you looking for? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Certifications I'm sure this is a flamewar-inspiring topic, but that's not my goal. Are LPI/RHCE-type certifications worthwhile? I've asked a couple of folks and gotten lukewarm answers, although If you're not the one paying for them, they're more worthwhile seemed to be a common theme. Any/all answers welcome; if folks want to reply off-list, I'll summarize in a few days. Thanks, -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III Levanta, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (703) 476-4511 (office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) Levanta. Get More Out of Linux -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/Linux, TSM 5.3, and STK
Everybody, Thanks for all of the good information that you've provided. I've answered many questions and roughed out an early-phase architecture that I'll begin to set up. From what I've learned, it appears I'll have: SLE 9.0 TSM 5.3 and appropriate drivers. Some number of new fiber channel connected drives installed in my existing 9310 library. Library Station software from STK. My existing HSC software running z/OS. Gresham software isn't required because the functionality is built into TSM 5.3. The drives won't be shared by the z/OS system, but the 9310 will be. The library's control dataset will be housed as is currently is on the z/OS system and those cartridges 'owned' by TSM on the Linux system will simply appear as Externally Managed, much like several subsystems I have today are. Tim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Certifications
Are LPI/RHCE-type certifications worthwhile? I would agree with the others. I took the RHCE week course where you are prepped for four days and take the test on Friday. I *barely* passed the second half of the test (suggestion: study the security section well - that is one area where the prep work does not necessarily prepare you well enough). It is an excellent week of education: one of the best I have ever taken. I felt it was definitely worthwhile. Mike MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Certifications
Is the RHCE, Redhat-spefic? Is it useful across the distros? __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 Michael MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 01/09/2006 09:02 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Certifications Are LPI/RHCE-type certifications worthwhile? I would agree with the others. I took the RHCE week course where you are prepped for four days and take the test on Friday. I *barely* passed the second half of the test (suggestion: study the security section well - that is one area where the prep work does not necessarily prepare you well enough). It is an excellent week of education: one of the best I have ever taken. I felt it was definitely worthwhile. Mike MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Can SLES8's zipl dump tool be used with SLES9 too?
Romanowski, John (OFT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06.01.2006 19:43:34: But can the same dasd dump tool be used to dump either release of SLES? Do I have to use SLES8's tool to dump a SLES8 and SLES9's to dump a SLES9? You can use the zipl dump tool from either SLES8 or SLES9 to dump both types of systems. The dump tool itself does not have any dependency on the Linux version of the system to be dumped. It is advisable to use the newer dump tool though (i.e. SLES9) to benefit from the latest bug fixes and features. Note also that you can use the dump tool installed by a 64 bit (s390x) system to dump 31 bit (s390) systems. The other way around is not possible though, i.e. trying to dump a 64 bit system on a dasd on which the dump record from a 31 bit system is installed will produce unreadable dumps. Regards, Peter Oberparleiter -- Peter Oberparleiter Linux on zSeries Development IBM Development Lab, Boeblingen/Germany -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux CMM and VMRM - do they talk to each other?
On Friday, 01/06/2006 at 04:05 EST, Michael MacIsaac/Poughkeepsie/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Linux on zSeries Device Drivers manual (Oct 14, 2005), in chapter 19, starts with the statement: The cooperative memory management (CMM) allows an external entity, such as the z/VM resource monitor VMRM, to reduce the memory size of a Linux system. But I look at the VMRM documentation and the GOAL statement talks about CPU and DASD, but not memory size. Is anyone using VMRM with Linux CMM? For that matter is anyone using VMRM with Linux for setting CPU (SHARE) and DASD (IOPRIORITY)? Thanks. We currently have a beta version of CMM code implemented in VMRM, that is planned to be available as a web download by the end of January/early February. The VMRM service virtual machine collaborates with specific Linux guests (provided in a config. file) to either release/shrink memory from either a temporary or permanent storage pool and by how much. For temporary release, once the system is no longer determined to be under storage constraint, VMRM will issue a Reuse message to the Linux guest(s) telling how much storage they can reclaim and at what rate. Beta code in this sense does not mean that it hasn't been tested -- it is code that is not meant for the general population to simply play with and see what happens. It needs to be used under the guidance of our performance team or someone who really knows about performance management of their system. Values used in the VMRM algorithms can be dynamically configured to fit the needs of your particular system. We hope to provide some guidance and usage recommendations in the web documentation. Depending on how this goes, we will determine whether or not to document and support it in a future release of z/VM. Christine Casey z/VM Development IBM Endicott, NY -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks -J -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Can SLES8's zipl dump tool be used with SLES9 too?
Thank you very much Peter. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Oberparleiter Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:05 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Can SLES8's zipl dump tool be used with SLES9 too? Romanowski, John (OFT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06.01.2006 19:43:34: But can the same dasd dump tool be used to dump either release of SLES? Do I have to use SLES8's tool to dump a SLES8 and SLES9's to dump a SLES9? You can use the zipl dump tool from either SLES8 or SLES9 to dump both types of systems. The dump tool itself does not have any dependency on the Linux version of the system to be dumped. It is advisable to use the newer dump tool though (i.e. SLES9) to benefit from the latest bug fixes and features. Note also that you can use the dump tool installed by a 64 bit (s390x) system to dump 31 bit (s390) systems. The other way around is not possible though, i.e. trying to dump a 64 bit system on a dasd on which the dump record from a 31 bit system is installed will produce unreadable dumps. Regards, Peter Oberparleiter -- Peter Oberparleiter Linux on zSeries Development IBM Development Lab, Boeblingen/Germany -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
If you have the no-cost SSH add-on for z/OS installed, I don't see why that couldn't be used to run scripts on your Linux systems from a dialog or a batch job step. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:58 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
How about ssh? James Melin wrote: We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks -J -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Main: (262)392-2026 Cell: (414)491-6001 Ans Service: (360)715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2006 - Chattanooga, TN - April 7-11, 2006 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
I tried to make that work once upon a long time ago. If I recall correctly at the time there was some kludge random number bolt on thing that had to be used and was of questionable stability? Has it matured? That's one thign I have long wanted IBM to include in os/390 and then z/OS as part of the 'environment'. I sense I would lose the ability to run the scripts from a RACF secured PDS in that environment and have to keep copies on all linux systems for which that script would be run. I presume the SSH offering is much more mature now than it was 5 years ago? Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc 01/09/2006 01:08 PM Subject Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU If you have the no-cost SSH add-on for z/OS installed, I don't see why that couldn't be used to run scripts on your Linux systems from a dialog or a batch job step. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:58 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
Yes, it's an official IBM offering. No cost to license it. They've been giving a number of sessions on it at SHARE, including labs on installing it. You even get PTFs for it now. If you want to keep the scripts on the z/OS system, I don't see why you couldn't have an scp command to copy the command to the target system (in an appropriately secure place), an ssh command to execute it, and another ssh command to delete it when done. I would think that's essentially what the Universal Command stuff you're running now does. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:18 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface I tried to make that work once upon a long time ago. If I recall correctly at the time there was some kludge random number bolt on thing that had to be used and was of questionable stability? Has it matured? That's one thign I have long wanted IBM to include in os/390 and then z/OS as part of the 'environment'. I sense I would lose the ability to run the scripts from a RACF secured PDS in that environment and have to keep copies on all linux systems for which that script would be run. I presume the SSH offering is much more mature now than it was 5 years ago? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
So can this be ordered like other IBM z/OS software? We get a lot of stuff via CBPDO and that would be the best since we have maintenance going on at the end of the month. Woudl be cool to have that avaialable when I get back from vacation. Can that be acquired through the CBPDO process? Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc 01/09/2006 01:23 PM Subject Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Yes, it's an official IBM offering. No cost to license it. They've been giving a number of sessions on it at SHARE, including labs on installing it. You even get PTFs for it now. If you want to keep the scripts on the z/OS system, I don't see why you couldn't have an scp command to copy the command to the target system (in an appropriately secure place), an ssh command to execute it, and another ssh command to delete it when done. I would think that's essentially what the Universal Command stuff you're running now does. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:18 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface I tried to make that work once upon a long time ago. If I recall correctly at the time there was some kludge random number bolt on thing that had to be used and was of questionable stability? Has it matured? That's one thign I have long wanted IBM to include in os/390 and then z/OS as part of the 'environment'. I sense I would lose the ability to run the scripts from a RACF secured PDS in that environment and have to keep copies on all linux systems for which that script would be run. I presume the SSH offering is much more mature now than it was 5 years ago? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS sysplex?
We are looking to eliminate password authentication and, probably, encrypt all production file transfers on our internal network. Our Unix engineers are loathe to install SSL enabled ftp clients but instead wish to exploit OpenSSH. As a matter of fact, all our new Unix machines will be built with ftp disabled. OpenSSH is not the best solution for our MVS installation, so we look at alternatives. One thought is to implement a zLinux image and use it as an ssh server for the MVS sysplex. Is this a practical idea? How are others approaching this issue, if one is unable to influence the Unix engineers to install an SSL enabled ftp client? Thanks... *** This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic information about individuals and businesses subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 *** If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS sysplex?
I don't understand how installing a Linux/390 system running SSH is going to allow your MVS systems to access the data. Besides, if running SSH on your Linux system is good enough, why isn't running SSH on your MVS systems good enough? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Ambros Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS sysplex? We are looking to eliminate password authentication and, probably, encrypt all production file transfers on our internal network. Our Unix engineers are loathe to install SSL enabled ftp clients but instead wish to exploit OpenSSH. As a matter of fact, all our new Unix machines will be built with ftp disabled. OpenSSH is not the best solution for our MVS installation, so we look at alternatives. One thought is to implement a zLinux image and use it as an ssh server for the MVS sysplex. Is this a practical idea? How are others approaching this issue, if one is unable to influence the Unix engineers to install an SSL enabled ftp client? Thanks... -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
I would imagine so. Take a look at http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/unix/port_tools.html and try following some of the links, particularly the Program Directory at the bottom. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:41 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface So can this be ordered like other IBM z/OS software? We get a lot of stuff via CBPDO and that would be the best since we have maintenance going on at the end of the month. Woudl be cool to have that avaialable when I get back from vacation. Can that be acquired through the CBPDO process? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Cross posted to MVMRUG-L, VMESA-L and LINUX-390 Agenda and logistics information has been posted for the Winter MVMRUG meeting in Columbus, Ohio on Friday January 27. For details, please visit our web site at http://www.mvmrug.org/nextmtg.html Please let me know if you plan to attend. I'd like to have a good turn out for our speakers, David Boyes, Will Roden, and Jim Vincent. Terry A. Moore Proj Manager - IT Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message and any attachments are intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward, copy, print, use or disclose this communication to others; also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The Timken Company / The Timken Corporation -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
The NJE stuff we did has a batch plug in on the Linux side that will allow you to send jobs to Linux and have the results sent back to z/OS. So your scripts would live up on z/OS you'd submit a job to Linux where it'd be executed and the output from stdout/stderr would be returned back to the entity that submitted the job. Neale -Original Message- We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
On 1/9/06, James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have been playing with stonebranch universal command to do some nifty ISPF interface stuff and batch to Linux stuff, but going into prod with this setup is making management have a cat. $5200 per Linux IMAGE on z/OS and 3600 per Linux image on Intel. We'd never be using it that much. What is has allowed us to do is easily run a Linux script from the step of a batch job on z/OS on a targeted Linux system. This has allowed us to make a WebSphere component shutdown/startup/status ISPF dialogue, as well as be able to keep the scripts we wish to run in a RACF secured dataset on z/OS disk so that the scripts do not live on the z/Series Linux guests at all, merely run there and then end. The good folken at Sine Nomine did an nje/rje thing, but I'm not sure if that fits the bill or not. What I'm looking for is some way to drive events on Linux from within ISPF or z/OS batch processes to replicate what I have now without 65,000 in license charges. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks -J -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 I won't be able to answer your question but just in case you are running zVM. zVM comes with the Programmable Operator interface to accomplish some of what you are looking for from zVM/CMS. This allows you to filter and respond to messages from a CMS session. Also, Neale Ferguson (now with Sinome) wrote the facility to allow you to execute VM/CP commands from Linux (opposite to what you need - www.linuxvm.org). An idea that might work is to run an ftp session from TSO/Batch to your Linux image and print the response from Linux. Scanning with your program what you get back from Linux to take counter actions can be time consuming but it can be done. One final idea is in case you are running a scheduler such as UC4. You can have the scripts under the scheduler on one machine to execute in your Linux images. I apologize if none of these ideas can be put to use to solve your problem. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS sysplex?
MVS access: that's where the question of practicality arises. One can ftp the file to the Linux image and if it heads across a hipersocket it can't be sniffed therefore it needs not be encrypted. That leaves the authentication issue to be dealt with, but I admit I haven't given that a great deal of thought. Once the file is there a scheduler agent or something similar can initiate the transfer from Linux to the final location. One can reverse the flow and the situation is changed very little, the agent lets the MVS system know to retrieve the file once it arrives at the Linux image. OpenSSH on MVS uses OpenSSL software encryption routines and can consume a lot of cycles. That workload would likely be less expensive out of the sysplex where it would not inflate all the related yet totally uninvolved software license fees. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To ST.EDULINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc 01/09/2006 15:10 Subject Re: Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS Please respond to sysplex? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU I don't understand how installing a Linux/390 system running SSH is going to allow your MVS systems to access the data. Besides, if running SSH on your Linux system is good enough, why isn't running SSH on your MVS systems good enough? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Ambros Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS sysplex? We are looking to eliminate password authentication and, probably, encrypt all production file transfers on our internal network. Our Unix engineers are loathe to install SSL enabled ftp clients but instead wish to exploit OpenSSH. As a matter of fact, all our new Unix machines will be built with ftp disabled. OpenSSH is not the best solution for our MVS installation, so we look at alternatives. One thought is to implement a zLinux image and use it as an ssh server for the MVS sysplex. Is this a practical idea? How are others approaching this issue, if one is unable to influence the Unix engineers to install an SSL enabled ftp client? Thanks... -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 *** This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic information about individuals and businesses subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 *** If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Secure file transfers: thoughts on zLinux as server for MVS sysplex?
On Llu, 2006-01-09 at 15:01 -0500, Tom Ambros wrote: We are looking to eliminate password authentication and, probably, encrypt all production file transfers on our internal network. Neither ssh nor ssl eliminate the need for passwords. Thats a terrible mistake a few people have made at great cost. Password protection is still needed for keys to prevent compromising of one box being used to attack others There are already worms that break into systems by trying login/passwords and all the ssh keys/ssl certificates they've previously seen. Once the get in they take all the other keys and then try and connect to anything that looks promising using those keys and continue the sequence spreading from host to host once they get the foot in any door. So the password bit or smartcards comes in rather handy... Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Seeking a recommendation on an ISPF and/or batch to Linux interface
On 1/9/06, James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can this be ordered like other IBM z/OS software? We get a lot of stuff via CBPDO and that would be the best since we have maintenance going on at the end of the month. Woudl be cool to have that avaialable when I get back from vacation. Can that be acquired through the CBPDO process? If you haven't already, visit the IBM ShopzSeries product catalog at https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/ShopzSeries/ShopzSeries.jsp?action=prodcat and make the following selections: Country: United States Package type: z/OS - ServerPac Group:MVS - System Mgmt. and Security Language: All languages You should see: [5655-M23] IBM Ported Tools for z/OS [FMIDs] 1.01.00 English (US) The FMID is HOS1110. The product can be ordered for electronic delivery. You may also need to order some maintenance: From chapter 2 of the IBM Ported Tools for z/OS User's Guide: An updated version of OpenSSH is now available as a PTF (APAR number OA10315). This PTF upgrades the OpenSSH functionality from 3.5p1 to 3.8.1p1, and OpenSSL functionality from 0.9.7b to 0.9.7d. You'll find the User's Guide at: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/fotza102.pdf. If you've enabled the Integrated Cryptographic Service Facility (ICSF) and have installed z/OS V1R7 you can take advantage of hardware based random number generation. Please enjoy your vacation! Paul [snip] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
