Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
Mark, RU trying to say we are mostly long-winded? If so, can you please call my wife and tell her it isn't just me? Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:55 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo On 9/26/2008 at 8:32 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik N Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Upon realization of that fact, further argument on the point would seem pedantic and obtuse. That describes about 95% of the people in the IT industry, which is why discussions such as this one go on for so long. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
I'm not a Linux person, but the guys that pronounce it here that I talk to use the sue dough version. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: curiosity: pronouncing sudo Is it sue dough (like pseudo) or sue do? I always did the latter, but people around here seem to like the first. And I get confused (as usual) as to whether they mean sudo or pseudo. -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: Ein Stein. Maranatha! John McKown -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
LOL, I have never seen so many pronunciations is so few words. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik N Johnson Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:38 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo It is an interesting question. The fact o the matter is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. The predominant pronounciations of Linux are: 'LINE-ix' and 'LI-nucks', but the name Linus (in Helsinki at any rate) is pronounced 'LEE-noose'. So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' I have heard both pronounciations and arguments for each. It is true that it stands for Substitute-User DO but it is also allowing a user to use a psuedonym (I realize this is something of a stretch) It is also worthwhile to note that the SU part comes directly from the utility sudo is intended to replace: su That command has been pronounced 'Es You' by everyody I have ever heard pronounce it, so perhaps it's 'Es You Do' though that also sounds an awful lot like Ef You Dude. Ultimately I think it's really more 'tuh-MAY-toe' vs. 'tuh-MAH-toe'. Erik Johnson On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kielek, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering that sudo stands for super user do (or substitute user do), I agree it would definitely be the latter. -Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:09 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo The latter. John McKown wrote: Is it sue dough (like pseudo) or sue do? I always did the latter, but people around here seem to like the first. And I get confused (as usual) as to whether they mean sudo or pseudo. -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: Ein Stein. Maranatha! John McKown -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
Yeah, but was your Russian friend really meaning Lee NUKES? LOL K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Wooster Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:07 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo On 09/24/2008 10:37:33 AM, Erik N Johnson wrote: It is an interesting question. The fact o the matter is that Linux is named after Linus Torvalds. The predominant pronounciations of Linux are: 'LINE-ix' and 'LI-nucks', but the name Linus (in Helsinki at any rate) is pronounced 'LEE-noose'. So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' I have heard both pronounciations and arguments for each. It is true that it stands for Substitute-User DO but it is also allowing a user to use a psuedonym (I realize this is something of a stretch) It is also worthwhile to note that the SU part comes directly from the utility sudo is intended to replace: su That command has been pronounced 'Es You' by everyody I have ever heard pronounce it, so perhaps it's 'Es You Do' though that also sounds an awful lot like Ef You Dude. Ultimately I think it's really more 'tuh-MAY-toe' vs. 'tuh-MAH-toe'. Well put. I have a Russian friend whom I think says 'LEE-nukes'. But that raises another question: if you find an icon of an upraised finger, in computer documentation, are you supposed to type 'sudo' ? :) Just so now you can say you've 'heard' everything: my team pronounces 'su root' as sue to ruut. :) Douglas Wooster (Who contemplates using 'sue dough' to access privileged 'tuh-MAY-toes') Erik Johnson On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Kielek, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering that sudo stands for super user do (or substitute user do), I agree it would definitely be the latter. -Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:09 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo The latter. John McKown wrote: Is it sue dough (like pseudo) or sue do? I always did the latter, but people around here seem to like the first. And I get confused (as usual) as to whether they mean sudo or pseudo. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
Damn, Lockheed's firewall systems are getting ridiculous in the sites that they ban us from going to, including this one. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:21 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 09:37 -0500, Erik N Johnson wrote: So the 'correct' pronounciation of Linux should technically be 'LEE-nukes' From the Man himself: http://www.jx90.com/linux.html -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
Certainly NOT the way us Brits do! LOL K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo John McKown wrote: Is it sue dough (like pseudo) or sue do? I always did the latter, but people around here seem to like the first. And I get confused (as usual) as to whether they mean sudo or pseudo. I've always used the former, and in this country it does not sound a lot like pseudo. I think if you listen closely, you might hear me pronouces the eand the u in pseudo. However, I learned from reading, not from listening (and if I were listening to an American I'd take no notice of how she pronounced it. I find Americans don't generally pronounce words the way we do, and most likely not the same way as other Americans either!). -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo
When they first implemented this thing (whatever it is), I couldn't even get to the CICS Wiki or the C/Trek websites. Typical overkill. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: curiosity: pronouncing sudo -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Damn, Lockheed's firewall systems are getting ridiculous in the sites that they ban us from going to, including this one. Your net nanny must be similar to ours. E.g., we can go to Dilbert, but not Doonesbury; more than half the Google hits for Sarbanes Oxley or SOX are blocked for political content or opinion; etc., etc. ad nauseum. It frequently seems to be just arbitrary and capricious as to what it allows or prohibits. -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: London Stock Exchange suffers .NET Crash
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Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect...
That word would be sweater, which I do when I put one on g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:16 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect... John Campbell wrote: All right, so we're penguinheads instead of parrotheads. That being said, my wife showed me: http://www.fingerhut.com/ProductGroup.aspx?offergroupxid=64378 A few years ago, there was an oil spill in the Bass Strait. Lots of penguins got well oiled, and Australians all around leapt into action. The concern was that they'd get cold, so people were knitting them woolly jumpers (guernseys to the Poms, probably the Americans have another word). The ABC (abc.net.au, not the American broadcaster)) published patterns and held knit-ins. The penguins would be fairy penguins, a big one would reach as far as my shin. The same, I think, as the one Linus met. I'e waited years for an opportunity to mention it here, it seems to me to go well with mentions of things like penguin food and penguin knickknacks. Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Well, for sure, some things stand out more when you look at the code on paper. Sometimes, scrolling up and down on a screen tends to obfuscate the code. This is more so (at least for me) with assembler code (which I'll admit to not knowing as well as C). Kevin From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Wooster Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version I always liked doing my own keypunching -- and I can **still** code better if I scribble the corrections on a fanfold listing! (multiprocessing: two 360-30's with 14KB (!) DOS supervisors which everybody said was too big) Douglas Re: [LINUX-390] Distribution ages, was: Linux version Evans, Kevin R to: LINUX-390 08/22/2008 09:20 AM Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Didn't you mean that someone else could make punching mistakes for you? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:39 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Mark Perry wrote: Evans, Kevin R wrote: This is getting like Monty Python g. One guy says When we were young, we used to eat the leather from our shoes. The other guy says You had shoes?. OS/360 - some of you guys make me feel young, thanks ;-) You must be around 60, either that or your systems were old at the time ;-) I started on 370s (135,138,145,148,158,168 - 3033, 4341, 3081, 3084 etc.) This didn't seem the time to mention what I used before I was promoted (public service) to an IBM shop. Operating systems there were SCOPE, MSOS and MASTER. We wrote our assembler on punched cards and were happy to do so, And you try and tell the young people of today that . they won't believe you. I found coding sheets easier, then someone else could punch holes in cards. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 attachment: image001.gif
Re: List FAQ etc
I don't believe that everyone believes in pruning out everything. Many people reply at the top. If for no other reason than replies can be kept in context. I don't want to start a war about email etiquette here, just to say that I believe that not everyone agrees with points 3 4 below. BTW, what happened to point #2? Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: List FAQ etc Klein, Robert (NIH/CIT) [C] wrote: I recently joined this list. The welcoming email gave a couple of URLs for such things as FAQs, but when I tried to access the urls, I got a page not found message. If these pages still exist somewhere else, could someone please provide the new urls. Also, the owner of the list might want to update the welcoming email. Thanks. There should be a separate email address of the owner; some list owners listen, some don't. I think the owner of this list actually reads it, though he doesn't actually write very often. Generally 1. Be nice:- 3. Prune irrelevant material, as I just did. 4. On most lists, respond in context to the points you want to address rather than responding at the top, with the attendant risk of leaving readers guessing which point you're talking about. Venture off-topic carefully. Discussing a war in the middle east is risky, but you might get away with a reference or two to mainframes of the 60s and 70s. Oh, try to solve your problem(s) yourself first, and make it clear by describing what you have done. Links in my sig offer other advice on this. People on this list and others like it are here because it's fun and they like helping. Few, if anyone, are paid to help people here. Finally, a problem description like this, My computer won't boot, may well be ignored. People need details to make a sensible guess at what might be wrong. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: List FAQ etc
Yes, I know there are arguments for and against. I wasn't trying to start a war (it's been discussed before ad nauseum). I thought that a newbie poster might not realize this. In my case, I tend to read a post, then reply or not, then delete the email. Therefore to me, I find it easier to be able to go back through and see the original post sometimes which one cannot do if it has been snipedg. Sometimes these posts can last for over a week...I can't always remember the original posted question. Plus, Outlook defaults to reply at the top! Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:53 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: List FAQ etc Evans, Kevin R wrote: I don't believe that everyone believes in pruning out everything. Many people reply at the top. If for no other reason than replies can be kept in context. There are arguments for and against top or bottom replies. In this reply I have chosen below, but then I have pruned the whole email thread from your posting. There is the point, we are not exchanging emails, we are posting to a common thread within a mailing-list. When posting to a mailing list there is no need to re-post data that is already available within the mailing list. You only need to leave the relevant text that you wish to refer to. SNIPING is encouraged! With SNIPING and bottom replies you can read the whole post from top to bottom in a logical manner. If you can't recall the previous post, you can always refer back to the mailing list archives. mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: List FAQ etc
I rarely look at the archives. I check my email constantly and handle any replies directly from my inbox. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:55 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: List FAQ etc Evans, Kevin R wrote: Sometimes these posts can last for over a week...I can't always remember the original posted question. You do look at the archives by thread, right? example: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/ mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Here we go again g... I remember using Hollerith punched card machines. They were little things where you had to punch the zone (10, 11, 12?) and the numeric # to create coded alpha and numerics on the cards. No IBM 026 or 029 card punches in those days. If we made a mistake on the Hollerith, we would put a chad back in the incorrectly punched hole and smooth it in with a fingernail. Those worked OK until they replaced the brush card reader on the computer itself with optical readers. Then it was hit and miss with the chads. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:39 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Mark Perry wrote: Evans, Kevin R wrote: This is getting like Monty Python g. One guy says When we were young, we used to eat the leather from our shoes. The other guy says You had shoes?. OS/360 - some of you guys make me feel young, thanks ;-) You must be around 60, either that or your systems were old at the time ;-) I started on 370s (135,138,145,148,158,168 - 3033, 4341, 3081, 3084 etc.) This didn't seem the time to mention what I used before I was promoted (public service) to an IBM shop. Operating systems there were SCOPE, MSOS and MASTER. We wrote our assembler on punched cards and were happy to do so, And you try and tell the young people of today that . they won't believe you. I found coding sheets easier, then someone else could punch holes in cards. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Didn't you mean that someone else could make punching mistakes for you? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:39 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Mark Perry wrote: Evans, Kevin R wrote: This is getting like Monty Python g. One guy says When we were young, we used to eat the leather from our shoes. The other guy says You had shoes?. OS/360 - some of you guys make me feel young, thanks ;-) You must be around 60, either that or your systems were old at the time ;-) I started on 370s (135,138,145,148,158,168 - 3033, 4341, 3081, 3084 etc.) This didn't seem the time to mention what I used before I was promoted (public service) to an IBM shop. Operating systems there were SCOPE, MSOS and MASTER. We wrote our assembler on punched cards and were happy to do so, And you try and tell the young people of today that . they won't believe you. I found coding sheets easier, then someone else could punch holes in cards. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been around, doesn't it? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version 1: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.development/msg/a32d4e2ef3b cdcc6 2: http://www.knoppix.net 3: http://www.skolelinux.org 4: http://www.ubuntu.com/ Now if anyone has some dates of when they were started for Slackware, SuSE, or RedHat we can know which is the oldest. As far as I can tell - April 1993 Slackware (update of SLS) (product release as far as I can tell not announcement) - Late 1992 SuSE (based off SLS, then slackware, then developed somewhat). First official release March 1993 (thats product to end users date) Red Hat trundles along in 1994. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Very true. I was feeling fine until you made me feel old this morning g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Perry Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:25 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Evans, Kevin R wrote: Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been around, doesn't it? K And those of us who have worked on it too ;-) mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Yeppers. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Evans, Kevin R wrote: Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been around, doesn't it? MFT? -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Nah, MFT and I don't even remember what release CICS was in (it was macro based, ya know DFHKC, DFHFC etc). Suffice it to say, there was no Restart/Recovery. This was when I was at Allied Breweries in England, we wrote our own (with a lot of IBM cooperation - we had several SEs on site back then) and wrapped it around the DFHKC, FC and TC IBM code. I had heard that IBM used much of our original code for the CICS Recovery/Restart product although don't know whether that was really true or not. When we put new releases of CICS in, we just (from what I remember) had 4 places (DFHKC, FC, TC and maybe SC) to insert a CLC and BE to re-institute our own recovery stuff). We even had pre-production 3270 screens g. I know, this dates me a lot g. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stahr, Lea Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version OS/VS1? Lea Stahr zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator Navistar, Inc. 630-753-5445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Evans, Kevin R wrote: Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been around, doesn't it? MFT? -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, and any attachments and/or documents linked to this email, are intended for the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise protected by law. Any dissemination, distribution, or copying is prohibited. This notice serves as a confidentiality marking for the purpose of any confidentiality or nondisclosure agreement. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the original sender. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
Mine was 360/50 and a 360/30. When the 30 was replaced with a 2nd 50, we ran the 30 for about a month outside of the computer room (with no air conditioning other than opening the windows) with IBMs blessing. 2311 and 2314 disk drives with a paper tape reader that had a flippable table so that the paper tapes we got in from construction sites could be read either started at the outside or the inside of the PT spool. 2540 card reader/puches and 1403 printers. Ah, the good ole days.g. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stahr, Lea Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:11 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version MFT, MVT, then VS1.I was DOS/VS. Installed CICS 1.0 macro level to replace BTAM stuff like 40407F7F2DOLDER THAN THE HILLS. My new 360/30 had a DISK drive (no more TOS). DFHPCT, DFHPPT, DFHFCT, DFHTCT etc in CICS. Lea Stahr zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator Navistar, Inc. 630-753-5445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:06 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Nah, MFT and I don't even remember what release CICS was in (it was macro based, ya know DFHKC, DFHFC etc). Suffice it to say, there was no Restart/Recovery. This was when I was at Allied Breweries in England, we wrote our own (with a lot of IBM cooperation - we had several SEs on site back then) and wrapped it around the DFHKC, FC and TC IBM code. I had heard that IBM used much of our original code for the CICS Recovery/Restart product although don't know whether that was really true or not. When we put new releases of CICS in, we just (from what I remember) had 4 places (DFHKC, FC, TC and maybe SC) to insert a CLC and BE to re-institute our own recovery stuff). We even had pre-production 3270 screens g. I know, this dates me a lot g. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stahr, Lea Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version OS/VS1? Lea Stahr zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator Navistar, Inc. 630-753-5445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Evans, Kevin R wrote: Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been around, doesn't it? MFT? -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, and any attachments and/or documents linked to this email, are intended for the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise protected by law. Any dissemination, distribution, or copying is prohibited. This notice serves as a confidentiality marking for the purpose of any confidentiality or nondisclosure agreement. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the original sender. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, and any attachments and/or documents linked to this email, are intended for the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise protected by law. Any dissemination, distribution, or copying is prohibited. This notice serves as a confidentiality marking for the purpose of any confidentiality or nondisclosure agreement. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the original sender. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
This is getting like Monty Python g. One guy says When we were young, we used to eat the leather from our shoes. The other guy says You had shoes?. LOL Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stahr, Lea Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:38 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version We had a check 13 pocket sorter that was connected to a printer that printed tapes. When the pocket filled, you pulled the tape and banded it to the checks. (1968) Our primary system was a card only 1401G. Lea Stahr zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator Navistar, Inc. 630-753-5445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Mine was 360/50 and a 360/30. When the 30 was replaced with a 2nd 50, we ran the 30 for about a month outside of the computer room (with no air conditioning other than opening the windows) with IBMs blessing. 2311 and 2314 disk drives with a paper tape reader that had a flippable table so that the paper tapes we got in from construction sites could be read either started at the outside or the inside of the PT spool. 2540 card reader/puches and 1403 printers. Ah, the good ole days.g. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stahr, Lea Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:11 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version MFT, MVT, then VS1.I was DOS/VS. Installed CICS 1.0 macro level to replace BTAM stuff like 40407F7F2DOLDER THAN THE HILLS. My new 360/30 had a DISK drive (no more TOS). DFHPCT, DFHPPT, DFHFCT, DFHTCT etc in CICS. Lea Stahr zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator Navistar, Inc. 630-753-5445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:06 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Nah, MFT and I don't even remember what release CICS was in (it was macro based, ya know DFHKC, DFHFC etc). Suffice it to say, there was no Restart/Recovery. This was when I was at Allied Breweries in England, we wrote our own (with a lot of IBM cooperation - we had several SEs on site back then) and wrapped it around the DFHKC, FC and TC IBM code. I had heard that IBM used much of our original code for the CICS Recovery/Restart product although don't know whether that was really true or not. When we put new releases of CICS in, we just (from what I remember) had 4 places (DFHKC, FC, TC and maybe SC) to insert a CLC and BE to re-institute our own recovery stuff). We even had pre-production 3270 screens g. I know, this dates me a lot g. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stahr, Lea Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:46 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version OS/VS1? Lea Stahr zVM, Linux and zLinux Administrator Navistar, Inc. 630-753-5445 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version Evans, Kevin R wrote: Kinda makes one realize how long z/OS (or its ancestors) has been around, doesn't it? MFT? -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, and any attachments and/or documents linked to this email, are intended for the addressee and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, proprietary, or otherwise protected by law. Any dissemination, distribution, or copying is prohibited. This notice serves as a confidentiality marking for the purpose of any confidentiality or nondisclosure agreement. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the original sender. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email
Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version
I'd like to sit in a tower and tell some people where to go g today. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:40 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Distribution ages, was: Linux version -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Mine was 360/50 and a 360/30. When the 30 was replaced with a 2nd 50, we ran the 30 for about a month outside of the computer room (with no air conditioning other than opening the windows) with IBMs blessing. 2311 and 2314 disk drives with a paper tape reader that had a flippable table so that the paper tapes we got in from construction sites could be read either started at the outside or the inside of the PT spool. 2540 card reader/puches and 1403 printers. Ah, the good ole days.g. In those days I just sat in the tower and told pilots where to go. :-) -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/Linux cloning
Robert, Did you get my earlier email to you specifically about my interest in this process? Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:09 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/Linux cloning We have a cloning process that is down to a single zVM command to create a new image, and we can create new images in about 8 minutes time from zVM command to being able to log into the new image. The master images occupy disk space, but are not running at any time. Since the disk copies are done from zVM via Flashcopy, the cloning process is independent of filesystem choice and works with LVM managed disks. As far as I know, we're the only ones using the process at the moment. If there's an interest, I can share it with you. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/18/08 10:36 AM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the current best practices cloning solution for z/Linux under z/VM? We've used the one found in Running z/VM to Host Linux - Installation and Customization class documentation (the CLONER and CLONEDDR virtual machines). Is there one that's newer, better or better supported? We have multiple CECs, z/Linux lpars, and both Suse and Redhat, if that makes a difference. We don't anticipate creating hundreds of clones, maybe 20 or so in the first wave. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Message in my Linux guest
Is your email signature supposed to be (missing an r?): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:52 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Message in my Linux guest Thanks! Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Information Technology z/OS z/VM Systems - Performance and Tuning Cell - 443 632-4191 Work - 410 786-0386 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Wells Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 5:31 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Message in my Linux guest Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Hi From the output out of my Linux guest can does this look like a MEMORY problem or not enough SWAP problem? I highlighted in RED two of the statements. Since I am rather new at all of this I am not sure what to make of this. Hi Terry, My guess is out of memory. Details: Jul 27 23:32:57 e49l021v kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x1d2 It is the job of the linux 'oom killer' to sacrifice one or more processes in order to free up memory for the system when all else fails. It will also kill any process sharing the same mm_struct as the selected process, for obvious reasons. Any particular process leader may be immunized against the oom killer if the value of it's /proc/pid/oomadj is set to the constant OOM_DISABLE. Reference http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer, it shows you both the process and sections of code. Without seeing the output of top or vmstat, my guess is that you have an application that is sucking up ALL resources on your system. The kernel is essentially protecting itself by killing that process, and issuing the error messages. This is backed up by messages in your output: Jul 27 23:33:00 e49l021v kernel: Normal: empty Jul 27 23:33:00 e49l021v kernel: HighMem: empty Jul 27 23:33:00 e49l021v kernel: Swap cache: add 184153, delete 184157 ,find 56852/73080, race 0+5 Jul 27 23:33:00 e49l021v kernel: Free swap:0kB fdbk=9 msgid=APSM011E stext=License file will expire in 9 day(s), 08-06-2008 HALT . Also, looks like you guys might want to look into licensing whatever this is ;) -- Shawn D. Wells Global Solutions Architect Lead, Linux on System z -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/Linux cloning
I would be interested in either of these approaches. I did reply to Robert Nix offlist, but haven't heard back...so assume that he is not in the office currently. We are relatively new users to zVM and Linux (RHEL). Thanks, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stricklin, Raymond J Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:44 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/Linux cloning Our cloning process sounds similar to yours. I have an EXEC which takes care of poking VM:Secure correctly, FLASHCOPYing the necessary MDISKs, and then updating our internal recordkeeping. One command, about two seconds, then another thirty or so to IPL (assuming DNS is updated ahead of time). It's fairly well customized to our site requirements, but the basic building blocks could be easily adapted to other sites. I also suspect now that SLES10 SP2 includes support for the VMUR driver, even though I haven't yet looked closely at the options, we'll be able to get even more fancy with our automation. I can also share details with any interested parties. Some of the drawbacks of doing it from Linux (instead of from CMS) are that FLASHCOPY needs privilege class B, and you're more likely to aggravate LVM. ok r. -Original Message- From: RPN01 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:09 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/Linux cloning We have a cloning process that is down to a single zVM command to create a new image, and we can create new images in about 8 minutes time from zVM command to being able to log into the new image. The master images occupy disk space, but are not running at any time. Since the disk copies are done from zVM via Flashcopy, the cloning process is independent of filesystem choice and works with LVM managed disks. As far as I know, we're the only ones using the process at the moment. If there's an interest, I can share it with you. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/18/08 10:36 AM, Quay, Jonathan (IHG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the current best practices cloning solution for z/Linux under z/VM? We've used the one found in Running z/VM to Host Linux - Installation and Customization class documentation (the CLONER and CLONEDDR virtual machines). Is there one that's newer, better or better supported? We have multiple CECs, z/Linux lpars, and both Suse and Redhat, if that makes a difference. We don't anticipate creating hundreds of clones, maybe 20 or so in the first wave. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Real Time Linux on S390X?
Interesting, but what type of work load are you anticipating needing this for on a Z? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Furber Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:29 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: SUSE Real Time Linux on S390X? I read that SUSE Real Time Linux is available for Intel and AMD. Will it be offered for System Z? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE Real Time Linux on S390X?
So, are you after consistent times, high-resolution timers or something else? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Furber Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE Real Time Linux on S390X? It is to run a Rules Engine as a service to other application servers. Someone was asking about it saying it was available with Redhat and wanted to know about SUSE. They wanted to make sure they did not have to switch distros. I think they are mistaken though the RedHat MRG Realtime is only available on x86 and x86-64 -- Original message -- From: Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting, but what type of work load are you anticipating needing this for on a Z? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Furber Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:29 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: SUSE Real Time Linux on S390X? I read that SUSE Real Time Linux is available for Intel and AMD. Will it be offered for System Z? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Reiser
I'm with Mark here. We run 24/7 with somewhere around 170,000 law enforcement agencies relying on this system. We have stringent configuration control and even though we can get around that (if we have to) temporarily (for emergency fixes), we ALWAYS back end the fixes back into configuration management. I suspect any large shop will do exactly the same things. We cannot afford to have people monkeying around with kernels etc. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik N Johnson Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:17 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Reiser Sometimes, I see people on RHEL lists talking about building their own kernel. My advice generally goes something like 1. Check your support contract (think it says unsupported, it would if I were the vendor). 2. Use CentOS (or Scientific Linux) on that system. Sometimes I might also suggest checking the supply of CentOS kernels. Or roll your own completely from scratch. If you don't have a reason to build a kernel, don't. But if you have a computer capable of amazing feats of virtualization and there's something to be gained by making a change IPL a whole new kernel. Make your changes in that one. It's sand-boxed, right? Nothing is permanent here. Nobody is asking you to put your entire clientele at the mercy of some experiment. If this kind of talk makes you wince then you're right to think I should just go with the program that comes in the box that my vendor provides and not ask any questions or poke any holes in anything. If you don't have people actually programming for a mainframe on a mainframe this doesn't make any sense either. I guess my question would have to be: In an environment where changes cost people money and people are making unnecessary changes, why are you worried about reining them in? FIRE THEM. You don't praise accountants for creativity. If somebody is trying to use your very expensive machinery to solve a problem in a new and interesting way that is going to make your company money though, that's when I'm confused about why you would ever rein in the creative process. Programmers DO create things, after all. Erik Johnson On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 7:40 PM, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Altmark wrote: On Monday, 07/14/2008 at 05:55 EDT, Erik N Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Building a kernel is not a herculean task by any measure. It is completely automated and the configuration can easily be done graphically if you have an X11 server. You probably need to go looking for some literature before you try to boot up a machine as expensive as a z10 on a homebrew kernel, but scads of PC Linux users build their own kernel with every new release. The benefit is perhaps to be questioned on big iron, bearing in mind that the folks like SuSE that provide those default builds also provide lots of the actual kernel code. Besides, the peripherals on a mainframe are much less numerous and klugey, eliminating another big reason to roll your own. It's not hard, just not that useful. It's not a question of difficulty. When you build your own kernel, the support you get from the distributors evaporates. Corporate customers need someone to flog in case things go bad, ergo no custom kernels by policy. Perhaps the distributors are more tolerant of custom kernels on other platforms - I don't know. Sometimes, I see people on RHEL lists talking about building their own kernel. My advice generally goes something like 1. Check your support contract (think it says unsupported, it would if I were the vendor). 2. Use CentOS (or Scientific Linux) on that system. Sometimes I might also suggest checking the supply of CentOS kernels. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets
Not sure if this is applicable or not, but on the z/OS comm. Server side...113 can mean several things all generically known as EBADF: Socket descriptor is not in a correct range Socket descriptor is already being used Socket has already been given Socket already taken Listen not been issued before an Accept Sounds like a coding error to me. Hope that this helps Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:09 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets Hi It looks like it is an issue with what the user is doing. Our DB2 Connect system guy had no trouble starting multiple DB2 Connect sessions. So at this point it looks like everything is looking good. Thanks for the response. BTW; you may be seeing some postings from me over the next few weeks. I am working on z/VM and z/Linux proof of concept for the first time so some things may not be obvious to me at this time. Hopefully by the time I am done I will have a good grasp of all of this! Thanks for your patience and hopefully by some of my questions others may be helped! Terry -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:07 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets On Saturday, 06/14/2008 at 04:34 EDT, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can PING the 158.73.207.45 address of this Linux guest and have actually sent data. The problem is when they try to SH to open another connection they receive the error I mentioned. This IP (158.73.207.45) is the IP for the DB2 subsystem that the DB2 Connect is trying to connect to. I don't know what you mean by they try to SH to open another connection, but my guess is that a firewall is stopping you, not liking the port numbers being used. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets
Well, that's a shame, isn't it? Oh well, learn something every day. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:32 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets On Monday, 06/16/2008 at 05:49 EDT, Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if this is applicable or not, but on the z/OS comm. Server side...113 can mean several things all generically known as EBADF: Socket descriptor is not in a correct range Socket descriptor is already being used Socket has already been given Socket already taken Listen not been issued before an Accept Sounds like a coding error to me. Kevin, the errno values in z/VM and z/OS do not match those in Linux. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets
Sounds like there isn't a listener listening or maybe a firewall in the way. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Gasiorowski Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets Kevin the errno 113 #define EHOSTUNREACH113 /* No route to host */ 'Where ever you go - There you are!! ' Richard (Gaz) Gasiorowski Global Solutions Technology Principal Lead Infrastructure Architect 845-773-9243 Work 845-392-7889 Cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 3170 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, Virginia 22042, USA Registered in Nevada, USA No: C-489-59 - This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. - Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 06/16/2008 11:52 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets Well, that's a shame, isn't it? Oh well, learn something every day. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:32 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Error while connecting to DB2 Connect from z/Linux over HiperSockets On Monday, 06/16/2008 at 05:49 EDT, Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if this is applicable or not, but on the z/OS comm. Server side...113 can mean several things all generically known as EBADF: Socket descriptor is not in a correct range Socket descriptor is already being used Socket has already been given Socket already taken Listen not been issued before an Accept Sounds like a coding error to me. Kevin, the errno values in z/VM and z/OS do not match those in Linux. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
As for me (an ex UKer), I never took Hubert's request to be other than just that (IOW, no offense taken). K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:49 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Nah, there are more the 2 peoples over there g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Stuart Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? As someone said to me when I was in England last fall: Two peoples separated by a common language. Dave (from sunny California) Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/16/2008 3:20 AM As for me (an ex UKer), I never took Hubert's request to be other than just that (IOW, no offense taken). K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:49 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: recover root password
Even though I don't do Linux work...I agree with Robert here. Now, it would be a nice feature on the Linux installs, I would imagine, if RH and Novell and others made it easy to set this up as the install was running. At least as far as setting up one admin account/password etc. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: recover root password By default, sudo expects root's password. But, it can be easily configured to expect the user to enter his own password instead. It's a one line change. RedHat and SuSE expect administrators to use the root account because It's always been done that way. But, when you have more than one administrator, and especially if you have more than a hand-full, like six to fifteen, then doing so gives you no accountability for what has been done to your systems. Anyone sticking to the I have to have root! model of system administration is leaving themselves open to a huge awakening as Sarbanes-Oxley and other regulations overtake us. While we aren't required by law to conform to Sarbanes-Oxley, we've chosen to bring ourselves as close as we possibly can. One of the requirements is that what is done to your systems is done with accountability. To be completely compliant, everything done by / with root will need to be logged, showing what was done, and by whom. Can you do that now, with two or more people logging into root? Can you do it with even one person logging into root? Not on any distribution I know today. So you aren't compliant, and will be pinged on your audit, and if you're required to be S-O compliant, you're leaving your company open to legal action. Just because it's the way RedHat or SuSE does it doesn't make it the standard. You need it for the installation, which may be why both RedHat and SuSE are set up that way. It doesn't mean you have to stay that way once the system is up and running. You change other things on the system after the install, so I don't see the reasoning of holding up the standard that It comes that way, so it should stay that way. That doesn't make any sense. I stand by my statement: Get out of root as soon as you possibly can after the install, and stay out of root as much as you possibly can. Complain to vendors when they force you to use root to install their products. Complain to vendors that force you to run their product as root. These are practices that shortly will not be acceptable. And the time shortens every time some retailer loses thousands of credit card records. We didn't lose that information, but we're the ones that it is easiest to go to and say You've got to improve security! You have to have accountability! So we're the ones that will ultimately pay the price. I predict that this will be one of the costs in the short term. Anyone willing to bet a coke on it? -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 4/14/08 5:34 PM, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RPN01 wrote: Would it be the wrong time to suggest that, once you have the system installed, up and running, nobody should ever log in as root, except in dire or unavoidable circumstances. Once you have the system, give your system administration group sudo all privs. Then just don't log into root at all. This gives you accountability Red Hat expects administrators to know and use root's password. That's what su does. SUSE expects administrators to know and use root's password. It configures sudo to work that way. Until the vendors change their approach, administrators are going to be working that way. The only Linux distribution that expects administrators to use their own password is Ubuntu, and while it's based off Debian that is available for IBM mainframes, Ubuntu isn't yet. One can also login as root without password if ssh is so configured. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Mark is right in that he is much more active in this forum an RH even though Brad does pop in sometimes. Not sure that this is a deciding factor or not...I'm sure there are more important factors. Having said that, I'm sure Mark has helped MANY people in this list. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. From what I've been told by people who would know, it's about 90-95%/5-10%, depending on whether you count customers or actual systems. Based on the near-deafening silence in this mailing list when RH specific questions are asked that seems likely to be correct. (Along with David Boyes, I also want to acknowledge Brad Hinson for being active in the list. This community and the industry in general needs that kind of participation from all of the distribution providers.) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hubert, No, it doesn't. We do use MQ only and have our own CICS adapters to directly manipulate the queues. From talking to one of the zLinux developers this morning, he is not sure he remembers the exact reasons. Message Broker springs to mind because we did play with that for a while before rejecting it for use here. The other thing that he thought may have played into the equation is that the FBI already used RH products on the desktop, so the support issue may have been easier to deal with as there was an existing agreement with RH. The thing that this topic may have raised is that (at least back then) not all products necessarily play with each other. I'm not sure whether that is still true but wouldn't mind betting that it is. Regards, K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, does MQ mean WebSphere MQ? We are working with WebSphere MQ on SUSE for several years and it works fine. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 12:36:08 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hubert, We don't have a problem...I was only replying to an inquiry from Robert Nix where he asked what distro people used and why. What I was saying was some backup to why we use RHEL. Our CICS adapters are totally separate from the zLinux code (which runs under z/VM), so no interference possible there. The only interface between the CICS adapters and our zLinux code is via MQ Series queues. By MQ only, I mean that we do not have all of Websphere installed. Our adapters do native MQGETs, MQWPUTs etc. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:36 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, what's exactly is your problem? As I told we are working with WebSphere MQ without any problems on SLES10 and it worked before on SLES8 (we did not test it on SLES9). Possibly your own CICS adapters interfere with some other stuff on SUSE, which is not installed on RH. The WebSphere Message Broker comes with its own MQ queue manager, so maybe you did not remove everything properly before installing Websphere MQ (this could be a SUSE specifc issue, but I do not think so). Of course the packages which come with RH or SUSE may affect other applications. We had a problem using OpenREXX and WebSphere Application Server on SLES9 ... Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 13:58:03 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? Hubert, No, it doesn't. We do use MQ only and have our own CICS adapters to directly manipulate the queues. From talking to one of the zLinux developers this morning, he is not sure he remembers the exact reasons. Message Broker springs to mind because we did play with that for a while before rejecting it for use here. The other thing that he thought may have played into the equation is that the FBI already used RH products on the desktop, so the support issue may have been easier to deal with as there was an existing agreement with RH. The thing that this topic may have raised is that (at least back then) not all products necessarily play with each other. I'm not sure whether that is still true but wouldn't mind betting that it is. Regards, K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, does MQ mean WebSphere MQ? We are working with WebSphere MQ on SUSE for several years and it works fine. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 12:36:08 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL
Re: What distribution and why?
David, I didn't think that people weren't playing nice. But, your observation about the megalith is right on. We don't use Websphere, per se, here but we do use MQ Series queues and adapters running under CICS to manipulate the queues. I'm not sure why Hubert thought I had a problem, maybe didn't read the email from the bottom? I agree with the spanking part g. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! Regards, kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:23 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Hi, what's exactly is your problem? I just want to understand, what may be going wrong and - possibly - provide a solution. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ. I know, but there are many other queuing products and I wanted to clarify, that we are talking about the IBM product. When MQ was renamed to WebSphere MQ I found a mail in a mailing list, where somebody made a guess, in the future IBM would have only one product, which is either name WebSphere for Tivoli or Tivoli for WebSphere :-D Back to the subject: I would prefer SUSE, because I am working since several years with it - starting with version 2.0 or so. I do not think, that SUSE is really better or worse than RH or Debian or Marist or whatever - but I like it ;-). Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 14:50:53 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hi Hubert, I'm not sure that we even remember the exact issue g. However, once we settled on RHEL (based on those original issues which would have been 2 to 2.5 years ago), we settled on RHEL and are now invested in it. Probably too hard to change now even if we wanted to! Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:29 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, maybe I misunderstood your mail, but you wrote We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, I am working several years with MQ and I only wanted to understand, what may be different on SUSE and RH running MQ. But now I think, this question will not be answered here. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 15:06:56 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? David, I didn't think that people weren't playing nice. But, your observation about the megalith is right on. We don't use Websphere, per se, here but we do use MQ Series queues and adapters running under CICS to manipulate the queues. I'm not sure why Hubert thought I had a problem, maybe didn't read the email from the bottom? I agree with the spanking part g. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: readelf/objdump displays
Doesn't look like much EBCDIC there. The start looks like z/OS assembler code. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays readelf -x 1 filename produces Hex dump of section '.text': 0x 582080b8 1a284130 00481841 18530e24 X ...(A0.H.A.S.$ 0x0010 c020 c905d200 2010 412001b0 . .. ...A .. 0x0020 483080c0 41408068 41500050 0e244130 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x0030 00014120 03e858f0 80bcae30 00124780 ..A ..X0..G. 0x0040 80c247d0 804e46f0 80464620 8036b222 ..G..NF..FF .6. 0x0050 00408940 00028840 001e8200 8060 [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x0060 000a 80dead00 00020001 8000 0x0070 00f0 00020001 8000 As you can see, the display is showing ASCII interpretations of the hex code. This is assembled as 390. Is there any way I can get the display area to show me the EBCDIC translation? - Original Message From: Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:53:02 AM Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone know how to get readelf and/or objdump to show my ebcdic eyecatchers? seems these guys can't recognize the ebcdic characters and its really slowing me down searching the the hex code. What are the exact commands you're issuing, and what results are you expecting? Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: readelf/objdump displays
Ah, OK. Makes more sense now then. Why do you have IBM assembler code down on a Unix platform? Can't use mainframe utilities to look at these files? Do the eyecatchers follow some sort of known format? If so, it might be easier to write some C code and translate this yourself? We have some of these types of issues under CICS, where logstreams are produced that are part EBCDIC and part ASCII. We have code that produces the below dump type format, but translates the ASCII part (on the mainframe) for readability. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Taylor Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 10:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays It is assembler. It is still ebcdic. There are character eyecatchers that I need to display properly, just not here. There is a space (x'40') in there that doesn't display as a space. - Original Message From: Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 2:55:15 AM Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays Doesn't look like much EBCDIC there. The start looks like z/OS assembler code. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays readelf -x 1 filename produces Hex dump of section '.text': 0x 582080b8 1a284130 00481841 18530e24 X ...(A0.H.A.S.$ 0x0010 c020 c905d200 2010 412001b0 . .. ...A .. 0x0020 483080c0 41408068 41500050 0e244130 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x0030 00014120 03e858f0 80bcae30 00124780 ..A ..X0..G. 0x0040 80c247d0 804e46f0 80464620 8036b222 ..G..NF..FF .6. 0x0050 00408940 00028840 001e8200 8060 [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x0060 000a 80dead00 00020001 8000 0x0070 00f0 00020001 8000 As you can see, the display is showing ASCII interpretations of the hex code. This is assembled as 390. Is there any way I can get the display area to show me the EBCDIC translation? - Original Message From: Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:53:02 AM Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:14 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Warren Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone know how to get readelf and/or objdump to show my ebcdic eyecatchers? seems these guys can't recognize the ebcdic characters and its really slowing me down searching the the hex code. What are the exact commands you're issuing, and what results are you expecting? Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: readelf/objdump displays
I guess that is why I hang out here (to learn stuff). Sounds like a weird debugging environment. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:28 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays I guess I am not understanding how/why you are doing this to debug IBM assembler code? The example he showed looks very much like a TPF module. If so, then the tools you need to build TPF modules run under Linux (IBM moved them from CMS to Linux). The TPF toolset includes a number of tools (some supplied by Dignus) to deal with building and messing with modules in several languages, with output being compatible with the TPF binder/loader. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: readelf/objdump displays
Still odd with all that Eclipse based stuff (which we use here...just not me) that there is a need to analyze load modules. Over on the CICS side, we pretty much can identify all we need to know about load modules by version date and timestamp in the load modules. AS far as analyzing load modules, the SHARE tapes does have a tool called COBANAL that analyzes load modules. Runs on the mainframe only AFAIK. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays I guess that is why I hang out here (to learn stuff). Sounds like a weird debugging environment. Actually, it's kinda nice. IBM provides a bunch of Eclipse-based tooling stuff so it feels a lot like Linux C program development. The ability to analyze a load module is a notable missing piece, though; I looked at what it would take to write a tpfmodinfo tool at one point, but gave up after counting the number of copyrighted IBM DSECTs that would need mapping or recreating. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: readelf/objdump displays
Well, I have done a lot of embedded real-time development over the years also, but never had a need to analyze the load modules (especially using a different code-set). Oh well, I obviously know nothing about TPF other than I'm glad (I think) that I don't work on it. Of course, there would be some that are glad that they don't work on the mainframe g. Thanks for the interesting discussion! Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: readelf/objdump displays Still odd with all that Eclipse based stuff (which we use here...just not me) that there is a need to analyze load modules. Over on the CICS side, we pretty much can identify all we need to know about load modules by version date and timestamp in the load modules. Yeah, but this is TPF. These guys care about instruction path lengths and a bunch of stuff that matters a lot in real-time programming, which is effectively what TPF is. You need to know where and how something got loaded, it's relationship to a bunch of system stuff, and how your transaction is interleaved with all the other stuff going on in the system at the same time. TPF programming is an art form, not a profession; not for the faint of heart. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLinux IBM Java Install
Mark/Ron, Ron Baldor had replied... We got them from here: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html However, we used the tgz file instead of the rpm. ... Sam (the guy here that is doing this) did use the RPM from the above URL. He is now trying the tgz file to see if that changes things. Thanks, I'll post any results later.. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:18 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: zLinux IBM Java Install On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:41 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm posting this for a colleague here, so hopefully the stuff below makes sense (personally I'm a mainframe/CICS guy). The JRE installs without any problems; however, I'm having a bit of difficulty with the IBM Java 6.0-0.0 SDK installation for s390x on zLinux. The rpm states a dependency error with libstdc++.so.5 as well as libXp.so.5. I verified libstdc++.so.5 and libXp so.5 are both installed (through compat-libstdc++-295-2.9.5.3-81.s390x.rpm and I can't recall the libXp library). I then removed the JRE and attempted to install the SDK again. No luck. If I extract the rpm directly everything seems to run fine. I'm using ibm-java-s390x-sdk-6.0-0.0.s390x.rpm and ibm-java-s390x-jre-6.0-0.0.s390x.rpm Anyone successfully installed the sdk here? Where were those packages obtained from? Your Linux distribution provider? If so, which one? Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLinux IBM Java Install
OK, thanks Mark. I'll pass this on to Sam. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:50 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: zLinux IBM Java Install On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 7:35 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark/Ron, Ron Baldor had replied... We got them from here: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html However, we used the tgz file instead of the rpm. ... Sam (the guy here that is doing this) did use the RPM from the above URL. He is now trying the tgz file to see if that changes things. Since you didn't get the package from your Linux distribution provider, I'm not very surprised that you have problems with missing dependencies. Using the .tgz file will not show the same problem, because RPM won't be involved, but then you've just bypassed the software inventory mechanism (similar to zapping things outside of SMP/E or SES), so it won't know anything about what you did. This could very easily lead to problems in the future, if some of the files get deleted, written over, etc. You won't be able to use RPM to verify things. You also won't be able to ask your support provider to help you out, either, since you'll have voided support for that package or set of packages. Only you can decide if having this particular version is worth all that, but if it were me, there would have to be a _really_ strong business case for it. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
zLinux IBM Java Install
I'm posting this for a colleague here, so hopefully the stuff below makes sense (personally I'm a mainframe/CICS guy). The JRE installs without any problems; however, I'm having a bit of difficulty with the IBM Java 6.0-0.0 SDK installation for s390x on zLinux. The rpm states a dependency error with libstdc++.so.5 as well as libXp.so.5. I verified libstdc++.so.5 and libXp so.5 are both installed (through compat-libstdc++-295-2.9.5.3-81.s390x.rpm and I can't recall the libXp library). I then removed the JRE and attempted to install the SDK again. No luck. If I extract the rpm directly everything seems to run fine. I'm using ibm-java-s390x-sdk-6.0-0.0.s390x.rpm and ibm-java-s390x-jre-6.0-0.0.s390x.rpm Anyone successfully installed the sdk here? Kevin R Evans Software Engineer Staff IV Lockheed Martin Information Technology Federal Bureau of Investigation 1000 Custer Hollow Road Clarksburg WV, 26306 304-625-5870 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz
Little piddley PC - handheld. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:39 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 8:36 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hall, Ken (GTI) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my personal fantasies is to run zOS under Hercules on an OQO. What's an OQO? I haven't seen that name before. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz
There are other reasons to use Linux on Z as well. In our case, we are using it as a front end to handle XML input from our users. We run libXML under Linux, convert the inbound XML messages back to our existing message formats and process them right into the existing CICS applications running under z/OS. That way, there were no changes to the existing CICS applications to handle those users that desire to use XML. BTW, the overhead of the XML schema that we were required to use has a HIGH overhead (bad for transmission purposes) when compared to the current message formats (especially when images are shipped in or out of the system (due to the base64 encoding required to ship images in XML)). Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:48 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux community, was Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on Systemz On Thursday, 11/29/2007 at 06:42 EST, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation but my background is IBM and maybe I am still trying to get use to the need to change everything to a Hierarchal file structure and many Linux's, below VM. You sound as though you think IBM (or someone else) is trying to get you to convert z/OS to Linux. No dice. IBM would simply like you to consider consolidating your distributed servers onto a mainframe using Linux and z/VM. Or instead of growing the server farm physically, grow it virtually! VM, the operating system we all tossed out of the Big Computer Center window in the 70's.. and the 80s, and the 90s. Based on the Google Story and The History of Linux, they are not competing with SRM/WLM or HSM or RACF etc. but with the escalating Infrastructure cost of The Big Computer center. Exactly right. Maybe this was because of the introduction of Escalating Software prices every time you upgrade the Hardware but the Magician behind the curtain, was always IBM. Several years ago VM pricing was changed to be a one-time charge per CPU without regard to the size of the CPU. The same is true for Linux middleware marketed by IBM. (And see the references to IFLs, a cheaper CPU type.) You can upgrade the h/w and you don't incur any additional software cost unless you add CPUs. The cost of z/OS, however, remains tied to the capacity of the machine. Now you are asking us again, to trust IBM... move your Linux Servers onto our boxes and we will take care of you. I will admit that there were some IBM salespeople with egg on their faces because they whispered get rid of VM in the few years before Linux appeared. In the mean time, we have to gradually interlace Linux with zOS, duplicate Scheduling software, Accounting packages etc. because IBM and zOS has failed us. You're ignoring the fact that you already using scheduling and accounting packages on your distributed systems. THEY aren't [necessarily] tied to z/OS and there's no reason to do so just because Linux is on z. Until the management software stack becomes more ... hypervisor aware, you do on zLinux the same things you do on x86 Linux. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z
Nice to see a face to David Boyes, having seen him post numerous times. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Demo of OpenSolaris running on System z This is an interview with David Boyes of Sine Nomine Associates on You Tube. It's five parts, and you even see a z/VM system in part 4! How often does that happen on You Tube? David is clearly not having any fun... :) Part 1: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cH71qP-yDDI Part 2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wfv48Gp6odwfeature=user Part 3: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ma0XPN2z6Qcfeature=user Part 4: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mb3lMHLXbdM Part 5: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ONtai6uIU -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: GUI development tools
Hi John, Didn't mean to imply that we would be doing development on the Z box, we won't. Currently, we run XML code development under Eclipse on the PC and then port the code up to the Z. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:39 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: GUI development tools Evans, Kevin R wrote: I would like some feedback on development tools, let me describe the environment first Our existing CICS system uses what we call dot delimited messages. These all arrive over point to point encrypted communications lines into what we call CORs (kinda sorta like TORs but without terminals). The COR code either does some routing or passes the messages to the AORs. The AORs process the message and send the result to the COR who then send it back to the original requester. The XML system runs under zVM as a Linux guest (software here is written in C) which we refer to as an XOR (XML owning region). Its job is to translate the inbound XML message back to dot-delimited format and push the message into the COR. The existing system runs as normal (message into the AOR and get the response etc). The COR then sends the response to the XOR who translates the dot delimited response back to XML and sends the response to the originating end user. The GUI software I am talking about developing is to control the Linux guest where we have configuration files written in XML that we want to change from the outside world while the guest software is running. We also log all messages in and out and want to write some GUI software to search these logs etc. The custom GUI software can then be used for those searches/configuration changes etc. I'm not sure I'm keen on developing/running GUI software actually on your very expensive Zed. An idea I like is to run the GUI on one system (eg your Intellish desktop/laptop) and the commands on the server (Zed in this case).. This kind of implementation would be well-suited to developing on the peecee, you would only need to compile on the Zed for final testing. The final choice as to where to run the actual GUI need not be made until implementation, and would be easily changed when you find running GUIs on the Zed's not that good an idea. Apple (OS X xserv) has a fairy sold set of commandline tools that can set and interrogate settings. While they can be used from the standard shell, I suspect their purpose is to separate the GUI from the configuration so the GUI can be run on one machine (my laptop) and the commands on the server, I don't know what communications protocol it uses, but shell commands piped through ssh would do. If you use qt libraries, then you have the option of also building the GUI part for Windows. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux install from z/OS.
In most government installations, you need to get approval to get other stuff. We get it here all the time. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:01 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux install from z/OS. On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 1:53 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't cost. I need to get approval for anything like this. Hmm. Sorry to hear that. Still, if you got approval to install Linux in the first place, it's hard to see them refusing to allow a no-cost tool to make it easier. Good luck, in any case. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Create PDFs
It was on embedded systems that I was talking about. I only meant that it never went mainstream. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Create PDFs -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:53 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Create PDFs I remember EEs at a prior company using Forth years ago. They used to extend the language set by adding their own instructions. Then they couldn't remember how their own instruction worked (these were EEs doing this stuff not software guys./me waits for the verbal abuse to come in), so rewrote it for other code later on. Seemed very powerful but didn't see much use (at least at that company). I'm not surprised it didn't really go anywhere. Not go anywhere? It was not designed as a general purpose language. IIRC, the creator created it to control telescopes. I think it has a larger audience in the embedded or process control world. I've used it, just for learning purposes, and found it very interesting. I even created a forth-like intepreter that ran on MVS TSO. Do a Google search on forth and you'll get a lot of hits. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Create PDFs
I worked in the embedded field for about 20+ years and never used it myself. No self respecting software developer would use it (at least for the military stuff that I worked on). As far as I saw, the code was almost impossible to maintain. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:26 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Create PDFs On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 08:07:26AM -0500, Dave Jones wrote: McKown, John wrote: Not go anywhere? It was not designed as a general purpose language. IIRC, the creator created it to control telescopes. I think it has a larger audience in the embedded or process control world. Very much so. My roommate spent 10 years doing it for a living for the world's second largest manufacturer of electronic scales. (He got laid off, and hasn't been able to find anyone else to work for, though; the embedded space has almost entirely gone to C, and he doesn't ahve any C experience he can put on his resume.) I believe that Jack Woehr also wrote a forth interpreter for VM/CMS sometime ago. Dunno if it's his or not, but I've got a Forth for CMS tucked away somewhere. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Novell Suse vs Red Hat
Makes sense to me, thanks Mark (as usual). Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:34 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Novell Suse vs Red Hat On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 6:47 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I do notice though, that there are many more SUSE questions raised (and answered) here than RHEL. It's not obvious to me why that is. Is it because: SUSE is used more than RHEL? Because SUSE has more problems (don't think this is so). Largely because Novell/SUSE has about 80-90% of the mainframe market. A good part of that is because SUSE (at that time SuSE) got their SuSE 7.0 mainframe version out first, and then followed up with SLES7, and much later, SLES8. During that same time, Red Hat put out a 31-bit Red Hat Linux 7.2, and then a 64-bit Red Hat Linux 7.1 (which a lot of people thought was curious), but no follow-up release (it seemed). When people on the various mailing lists asked if Red Hat was going to stay in the mainframe market, no answer was forthcoming, because the technical folks that hung out in the various mailing lists weren't allowed to answer such questions. Some time after that, Red Hat produced Red Hat Enterprise Linux, which included a mainframe version. By that time, most people had chosen SLES. Redbooks had been written, using SLES. ISVs had done their certifications for SLES, etc., etc. So, in short, largely historical reasons. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Create PDFs
I guess to each their own, no? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:45 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Create PDFs On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:33:50AM -0400, Evans, Kevin R wrote: I worked in the embedded field for about 20+ years and never used it myself. No self respecting software developer would use it (at least for the military stuff that I worked on). As far as I saw, the code was almost impossible to maintain. My roommate's reply: If you write it [Forth] to be maintainable, it'll be maintainable. If you write it to look like Perl, you'll get an unmaintainable mess. It's an amplifier: it amplifies mistakes really, really well. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!) Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IBM Releases Office Desktop Software at No Charge to Foster Collaboration and Innovation
Sounds like too little, too late to me. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richards.Bob Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:13 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: IBM Releases Office Desktop Software at No Charge to Foster Collaboration and Innovation IBM Releases Office Desktop Software at No Charge to Foster Collaboration and Innovation http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/22326.wss Cross-posted - Thought it worthy of our attention! Plus the price is right. Bob Richards VP, Enterprise Technologist - - Enterprise Technology Infrastructure- - Mainframe Services Capacity Performance Mgmt - - Office: 404-575-2798Mobile: 610-246-2943 - - email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: linux performance behind load balancer
Rob, As we are just switching to Omegamon and almost up to implementation of our first user to come into a new zLinux front end, can you give ant further details on your comment below? Thanks Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: linux performance behind load balancer On 9/13/07, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finishing the thought, IBM's OMEGAMON comes to mind as well. There's more than one decent performance monitor Out There, so shop and compare. But since that will present incorrect CPU breakdown per Linux process, it may lead to wrong conclusions. ESALPS will correct the CPU usage for virtualization effects. Rob -- Rob van der Heij Velocity Software, Inc http://velocitysoftware.com/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z
Boy, I haven't heard it called a machine room for eons. You are showing your age here, David. G Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:44 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z I suspect that's because this is the rebranding of the Netscape Directory Server that Red Hat bought so many moons ago. Ah. Yes, that would explain the distinct odor of frying bacon from the machine room. Playing with it, it's actually kind of nice -- the UI is something that could be loosed on an unwary Windows admin without a lot of re-education. Goes well with our clustered MySQL appliance with a little tinkering. - db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z
Believe me, I speak vintage also g K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:16 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fedora-DS on Linux for SYstem z Boy, I haven't heard it called a machine room for eons. You are showing your age here, David. G Vintage, laddie, vintage. I *improve* with age, particularly when influenced by bottles... 8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat
Marian, I thought so also and I have to admit that this recommendation I did not hear first hand. Be that as it may, we are certainly heading down the RHEL path at the moment. Regards Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marian Gasparovic Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 9:26 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat Kevin, it is strange, IBM should not give recommendations on one vendor over another. We all have our preferences, but I am strongly forbidden to tell customer which distribution to use. The only difference is if the support matrix shows support only for one vedor, which happens from time to time. Marian Gasparovic IBM Slovakia --- Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, I'm glad that this worked for you (and those people here that you obviously help). I think that RH should maybe learn from this, but seems to me that they haven't yet. The story that I got from the FBI folks here that are working the Linux project on the mainframe tell me that the reason that we are using RHEL here is that IBM said that they supported both SLES and RHEL but recommended RHEL. I don't know at what level of IBM that recommendation came from. We have certainly seen issues here with which version of MQ Series we run under z/OS vs which version is supported under Linux with RHEL. We try to keep the same version across the board (which hasn't been possible yet). Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 9:36 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- It might be on his job description, but probably not, he's here because he likes helping. When I first hired into the Linux Impact Team at Novell, I made sure that it would be on my job description. (At EDS, I was expected to get my real job done on top of whatever I did on my own time. Thanks to my co-workers picking up a lot of the slack, that was easier than it would have been otherwise.) My new job doesn't include this as part of it, but my manager is one of those that believes in doing what is right for the company, even if it's not part of his particular charter. (I've run into a number of those here, by the way. _Very_ refreshing.) The team that is officially responsible for fielding problems view me as more of a help than a bother, so we get along well. If I get something wrong, they know how to call me and set me straight. If they think I can help them on something, they don't hesitate to contact me. All of which is largely what I hoped for when I joined Novell. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 === Marian Gasparovic === The mere thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest possibility of crossing my mind. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat
Mark, I'm glad that this worked for you (and those people here that you obviously help). I think that RH should maybe learn from this, but seems to me that they haven't yet. The story that I got from the FBI folks here that are working the Linux project on the mainframe tell me that the reason that we are using RHEL here is that IBM said that they supported both SLES and RHEL but recommended RHEL. I don't know at what level of IBM that recommendation came from. We have certainly seen issues here with which version of MQ Series we run under z/OS vs which version is supported under Linux with RHEL. We try to keep the same version across the board (which hasn't been possible yet). Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:33 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 9:36 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- It might be on his job description, but probably not, he's here because he likes helping. When I first hired into the Linux Impact Team at Novell, I made sure that it would be on my job description. (At EDS, I was expected to get my real job done on top of whatever I did on my own time. Thanks to my co-workers picking up a lot of the slack, that was easier than it would have been otherwise.) My new job doesn't include this as part of it, but my manager is one of those that believes in doing what is right for the company, even if it's not part of his particular charter. (I've run into a number of those here, by the way. _Very_ refreshing.) The team that is officially responsible for fielding problems view me as more of a help than a bother, so we get along well. If I get something wrong, they know how to call me and set me straight. If they think I can help them on something, they don't hesitate to contact me. All of which is largely what I hoped for when I joined Novell. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat
I don't believe that questions raised here are necessarily the same type that would get raised to RH support. From my observations, many of the questions that Mark answers are of the how do I do this or that variety. I believe that Mark provides a very useful level of support. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:14 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:34:52 -0400 Kielek, Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure we can criticize Red Hat for not responding on a community mailing list to their customers support issues. There are actual Red Hat lists and official support channels for that purpose. I'm guessing those Red Hatters that do occasionally pipe in here are doing so not because it's their job but rather as members of the community at large. With that said, kudos to Mark for being so attentive to this lists members. Hopefully he is getting paid to do so! ;) Yes there are Red Hatters on the list but if I suggest something here its likely to blindside any proper support channels and possible mix up or conflict with real support responses and make things worse. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat
Yep, understood that. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:36 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat Evans, Kevin R wrote: It seems funny to me that Mark (who seems to bend over backwards to help everyone) replied to this email. It also seems to me that RH folks don't respond anywhere near as often as Mark does on this listserver. I hope that we here didn't hang our hat on the wrong horse when we chose RHRL. Mark has been on this list a very long time, long before he joined Novell. He's been helping folk all that time. It might be on his job description, but probably not, he's here because he likes helping. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat
It seems funny to me that Mark (who seems to bend over backwards to help everyone) replied to this email. It also seems to me that RH folks don't respond anywhere near as often as Mark does on this listserver. I hope that we here didn't hang our hat on the wrong horse when we chose RHRL. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:37 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 8:10 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We got our first Linux system up under a trial Red Hat, LPAR install with an IFL, no Z/VM. Looks good. We let the install autoconfig 4 3390-3's but we want to add more dasd. Make a logical volume group and partition a single 3390. The Red Hat manuals I've looked at don't seem to cover this and the cookbook doesn't either. It's been a while since I played with RHEL, so make sure you have good backups of stuff... From what I remember, you need to add the new DASD volume to the dasd= parameter in /etc/zipl.conf, then re-run mkinitrd and zipl, and then reboot. To be safe, you might want to make a copy of your current stanza in /etc/zipl.conf, give it a different name, and update that. You'll also need to update the [menu] section to point to it. When you reboot the system, it should show up in the list of kernels to select from. If you have already configured the DASD online to the LPAR, the system should have detected that, and you should be able to do a chccwdev -e 0.0. command to bring it online without rebooting. You'll still need to make the other changes, though, since that is only temporary until the next time you boot the system. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat
My intent was not to be critical, per se but observational. As well as praising Mark for being as active as he is. I still think that RH could maybe learn from this. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kielek, Samuel Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:35 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat I'm not sure we can criticize Red Hat for not responding on a community mailing list to their customers support issues. There are actual Red Hat lists and official support channels for that purpose. I'm guessing those Red Hatters that do occasionally pipe in here are doing so not because it's their job but rather as members of the community at large. With that said, kudos to Mark for being so attentive to this lists members. Hopefully he is getting paid to do so! ;) -Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:15 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat It seems funny to me that Mark (who seems to bend over backwards to help everyone) replied to this email. It also seems to me that RH folks don't respond anywhere near as often as Mark does on this listserver. I hope that we here didn't hang our hat on the wrong horse when we chose RHRL. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:37 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Adding dasd with Red Hat On Fri, Aug 31, 2007 at 8:10 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bauer, Bobby (NIH/CIT) [E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We got our first Linux system up under a trial Red Hat, LPAR install with an IFL, no Z/VM. Looks good. We let the install autoconfig 4 3390-3's but we want to add more dasd. Make a logical volume group and partition a single 3390. The Red Hat manuals I've looked at don't seem to cover this and the cookbook doesn't either. It's been a while since I played with RHEL, so make sure you have good backups of stuff... From what I remember, you need to add the new DASD volume to the dasd= parameter in /etc/zipl.conf, then re-run mkinitrd and zipl, and then reboot. To be safe, you might want to make a copy of your current stanza in /etc/zipl.conf, give it a different name, and update that. You'll also need to update the [menu] section to point to it. When you reboot the system, it should show up in the list of kernels to select from. If you have already configured the DASD online to the LPAR, the system should have detected that, and you should be able to do a chccwdev -e 0.0. command to bring it online without rebooting. You'll still need to make the other changes, though, since that is only temporary until the next time you boot the system. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Looks like Tim is a little out of date now g 15-Aug-07 Microsoft Joins CalConnect: The Calendaring and Scheduling Consortium welcomes Microsoft as a member of the Consortium Pulled directly from the CalConnect website. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hare, Tim Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:04 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) A slight correction - ICS (aka iCalendar or RFC 2445) files have dates in ISO format, but they are NOT required to be in UTC. The standard allows timezone definitions and references to them within the file. Often UTC is used because it makes it easier, but it's not required. They also allow floating time, expressly for some cases where you want to load events into your (insert name of device / user agent her) but you don't want to have to change the time zone on it when you travel.. for example, when I go to SHARE I get the events in floating time so I can just load them in the PDA and leave the time alone. Partly because of these, and other issues, there are many interoperability problems with calendars. The Calendar Scheduling Consortium (www.calconnect.org) exists to work on those issues, and has I believe mades some progress. You might want to check them out. Many vendors are members, as well as universities and open source projects. Regrettably, Microsoft has not joined - although I believe they may have attended one or more interop tests. I do agree that it would be nice to have an iCalendar (RFC2445 not Apple's product) attachment whenever there's event data. Tim Hare Senior Systems Programmer Florida Department of Transportation Tel: +1 (850) 414-4209 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:21 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) In future, could people recognise that not everyone understands US times, and translate times to GMT (UTC). Probably we can all translate GMT to our local times. What, you don't have one of those handy dandy timezone changers on your desktop toolbar? Heck, even Windows has that. I use mine all the time to figure out what the time is in other parts of the world. Or you could use the world clock, or In John's defense, it is a bit annoying that people in the US tend to assume that the US is the center of the known universe (thank goodness it's not). Since he's in Australia, that 16 hour time difference is Not Fun At All for non-US attendees to US events, particularly for those in Asia. Trying to schedule conference calls with people in Japan and China is a major PITA. A possible solution would be to add a ICS (Internet Calendar Service) meeting notice to the posting (would require some work on the mailing list server to permit .ICS files to pass the attachment filter). Times and dates in ICS notices are in ISOdate format with times in UTC, and Notes (finally!) can generate and understand them properly, as does Outlook/Exchange and the other similar widgets. Then the meeting schedule would appear in the proper local time. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time)
Pam, I went to http://www.vm.ibm.com/events/ to look at this class after the event. Is this the correct URL for that? Clicking on the event still asks for registration. Do I still need to go through that to look at the presentation post-event. Thanks, Kevin Evans -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pamela Christina in warm sunny Endicott NY Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:25 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Live Virtual Class, Aug 14 - Virtualization Basics (10am NY time) Here's info about the next in the series of Live Virtual Classes (webcasts). The price is right (no charge, no travel). If you can't get to SHARE or System z Expo, why not try and LVC. Or even if you can get to the events, listen in to the call, and then you'll free up a time slot on your conference agenda for something else. Title: Virtualization Basics Abstract: The latest buzz word in the industry seems to be virtualization. As we have learned over the years, one needs to be careful with buzzwords. This presentation will not cover all the possible definitions for virtualization. It will give you a strong understanding of what virtualization means in the context of the z/VM hypervisor, and this can be used to contrast with what others are calling virtualization. Key topics covered in this presentation include: the virtual machine model, the key components of z/VM, the role of the SIE instruction, and the virtualization and management of various resources (processor, memory, and I/O). Audience: Customers, IBMers, ISVs and Business Partners This 90-minute LVC will be conducted on Tuesday, August 14 starting at 10:00 Eastern U.S./4:00 p.m. CET and recorded for subsequent replay. The replay will be available 1 week after the live session via a link on the z/VM website (http://www.vm.ibm.com/) Important: Enroll for this session by EOD Monday, August 13 with this URL: https://asp22.centra.com:443/Reg/main/00013c73780113c2f41183002cd1/e n_US There is no tuition to participate in this session, however you must enroll at least 1 business day ahead of the session date to enable your participation. The LVC will be delivered using the Centra tool that employs Voice over IP (VoIP) technology to provide both the audio as well as the visuals to your Windows workstation. Each participant must enroll individually, ie. no sharing of LVC logins is supported. After enrolling in the LVC, you should run a a System Check via the following URL to verify your workstation meets the following minimum requirements. System Check: https://stg.centra.com/SysCheck/main/Customers/ibmstg Windows 2000 or Windows XP Internet Explorer 5.01, Netscape 7.2, Firefox 1.0 or later. 28.8 kbps or faster Internet connection P350+ MHz, 128+ MB memory 800x600 16-bit color display or better sound card and speakers (to hear the audio portion of the LVC) microphone (required if you want to ask a question during the LVC) For LVC info and comments about them, contact Dick Kendrick +1.469.718.0048 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want to access the replays, or see what else is on the events calendar for z/VM and more... http://www.vm.ibm.com/events/ Regards, Pam C Dame Pamela the Publicist -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109
Session 9128 on the website comes up as file is damaged and cannot be repaired. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 6:12 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109 The first batch of Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109 in San Diego are now up on the linuxvm.org web site. Thanks to all the speakers who went to SHARE and contributed their presentations to the community. You can view them at http://linuxvm.org/present/#share109 SessPresenter Title 9127Mark Post VM for MVS Systems Programmers - Part 1 9128Martha McConaghyVM for MVS Systems Programmers - Part 2 9200Jim Elliott An Introduction to Linux and Open Source 9202Jim Elliott Linux on System z - A Strategic View 9205Mark Post Choose the Wrong Architecture and Waste Millions - A Customer Case Study 9216Rick Troth Extreme File System Sharing - Linux on Read-Only Root at Nationwide 9217Rick Troth Tending the SANity of the Flock - SAN Experiences at Nationwide 9224Mark Post Linux/390 System Management for the Mainframe System Programmer 9233Mark Post Linux Installation Planning 9242Neale Ferguson Linux for Beginners Hands-On Lab 9248Phil Smith III Help! My (Virtual) Penguin Is Sick! 9253Neale Ferguson Basic Linux Scripting Hands-On Lab 9265Chris Rohrbach Total Cost of Ownership (TCO): Comparing System z and Distributed Platforms 9283Rich SmrcinaUsing Hobbit to Monitor Networked Services 9284Phil Smith III How To Turn a Penguin Into a Dog ...or... Things To Do That Will Avoid Linux on z Success Thanks, Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109
Hi Mark, Hmmm, I had no problem pulling up 9127 earlier or now. But 9128 still shows me the same message as before. Dave Jones (I think) suggested earlier that trying to rt click and save as would work. Tried that also, still no go. Thanks for the prompt response. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:05 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109 On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 6:55 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Session 9128 on the website comes up as file is damaged and cannot be repaired. Yes. For whatever reasons, that one, and 9127 were both incomplete. No idea why, but it should be fixed now. Downloads from the web site have the same md5sum as the originals. So, give it another try and let me know if it still is not readable. Thanks for reporting it, Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109
Well, don't get access to wget or curl on this unclassified PCthat talks to the outside world. The other PC (classified) doesn't talk to the outside world. Sigh. However, I used shift/click on IE on 9128 and it grabbed it this time. Thanks. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:38 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux and z/VM presentations from SHARE 109 On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:25 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, Hmmm, I had no problem pulling up 9127 earlier or now. But 9128 still shows me the same message as before. Your browser (or company proxy) may be caching the old copy. Try using wget or curl to download it. The md5 checksum should be 13c62054434d2cc4743fb3f51d3c7594, and the length should be 735874. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
I think that both of you were successful (or is that secessful?) in explaining that g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:36 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Phil Smith III -Original Message- Date:Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:43:39 -0500 From:Tom Duerbusch Long story. The City of St. Louis succeeded from St. Louis County back in the late 1880's. So the City of St. Louis is also the County of the City of St. Louis (not to be confused with St. Louis County). Succeeded at what? I think you meant seceded ;-) While the context suggests that seceded was intended, it is also possible that the City of St. Louis succeeded from (became the successor of the original) St. Louis County. :-) -jc- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z?
We are a federal, not state, agency. We are running 990s but going to Z9s in the next couple of months. We will be running under VM and running 2 IFLs (I believe - although subject to change). The Linux code will be handling XML input from the states and translating the messages back to our normal message formats to then go into the normal system (kinda like an XML front end). No DB2, no WAS. This is custom code for here only. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LJ Mace Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Counties running Linux on a z-Series/System z? We are a state entity and we have an 890 w/1 IFL. we run WAS,Db2,and a custom DB. Mace --- David Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afternoon, We are looking at bringing in a z9 BC to replace our existing 9672, with the possibility of also running Linux on the z9. However, my CIO is concerned with the types of applications, number of IFLs required, other county governments doing this, etc., that can be run on the z9. Are there any county governments running Linux on a z-Series or z9? If so, would you be kind enough to share the types of applications, number of IFL's, data bases, or any other information that might be of interest to my CIO. TIA, Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: RHEL4 Kernel Panic - capture dump?
Yep, I get a need a disk object or some such similar error message. This is with Adobe Reader 7. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Morris, Kevin J. (LNG-DAY) Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:09 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: RHEL4 Kernel Panic - capture dump? Hi Brad. Thanks for the response. When I try to open your link/pdf, I get error opening the document with adobe. Anyone else having this problem? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Hinson Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: RHEL4 Kernel Panic - capture dump? Check out this presentation on linuxvm.org: Help! My (Virtual) Penguin Is Sick! http://linuxvm.org/present/SHARE108/S9248ps.pdf There's a section on VMDUMP, which will give you a kernel memory dump. You'll need to convert it using 'vmconvert', which is available in the s390utils package. This is assuming you're using DASD. If it's a zFCP-only setup, the process is a little different. -Brad On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 13:57 -0400, Morris, Kevin J. (LNG-DAY) wrote: We have a linux guest that frequently encounters a kernel panic, effectively killing the box. Thankfully, we have IBM Operations Manager and can trap the HCP message and instantly reboot the box once it hits the disabled wait state. We are running the latest RHEL4 maintenance on this guest and would like to provide a dump to RedHat. How can we trigger/capture a dump when the kernel panics? Below is the console log for this guest at the time of the panic: 07/30/2007 05:49:55 kernel BUG at mm/filemap.c:2245! 07/30/2007 05:49:55 illegal operation: 0001 Ý#1¨ 07/30/2007 05:49:55 CPU:1Not tainted 07/30/2007 05:49:55 Process chmod (pid: 15271, task: 5b94ccb0, ksp: 5eb1beb8) 07/30/2007 05:49:55 Krnl PSW : 07018000 0006cf98 (generic_file_aio_write+0x60/0x134 07/30/2007 05:49:55 07/30/2007 05:49:55 Ý0002ff7e¨ sysc_noemu+0x10/0x16 07/30/2007 05:49:55 Ý020c0700¨ 0x20c0700 07/30/2007 05:49:55 07/30/2007 05:49:55 0Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception: panic_on_oops 07/30/2007 05:49:55 00: HCPGSP2629I The virtual machine is placed in CP mode due to a SIGP stop from CPU 01. 07/30/2007 05:49:55 01: HCPGIR450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW 00020001 8000 00018A66 07/30/2007 05:49:55 CP SEND TPC3675 IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR Thanks, Kevin Morris LexisNexis, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. z/OS System Engineering -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Brad Hinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Support Engineer Lead, System z Red Hat, Inc. (919) 754-4198 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Defining an LPAR on a z box to run LINUX
Does any purchasing dept work as fast as the IT dept? You haven't seen here at the customer site g K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rakoczy, Dave Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:10 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Defining an LPAR on a z box to run LINUX Yes... We are in working with our IBM Rep, only problem is our purchasing department moves nowhere near as quickly as out IT department would like them too. Thanks to all who cleared this question up for me. I have a feeling I'll be back with additional inquiries as time go on. Thanks again. -Dave -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:57 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Defining an LPAR on a z box to run LINUX If you're doing a proof of concept, talk to your friendly IBM Sales Rep; you might just be able to talk him / her into turning on an IFL for POC purposes, and you won't have to impact your production workload at all. Just a thought -- .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW /( )\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 ^^-^^ - In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/31/07 7:30 AM, Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just define your Linux LPAR as you would a z/OS LPAR. The CP type 'LINUX' refers to an IFL engine (Integrated Facility for Linux), which from your description you do not have. Yes, all LPARS assigned to a CP must be the same type. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Current Red Hat version available
We are using RHEL 4 (of some sort) on z/OS. I am only peripherally involved with it. I believe that Sam here (that is doing a lot of that work) has found that MQ V6 has some problems (maybe in our environment). If you wish, I can put you in touch with him for some more detailed data. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:48 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Current Red Hat version available On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 4:55 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] .GOV, Chaplin, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Does anyone have experiewnce with Red Hat Enterprise verison 5 with MQ 6.0 Given the relatively small number of people running RHEL on the mainframe, and the newness of RHEL5, I suspect you're going to be taking some arrows for other people with MQ Series. Please let us know how it goes for you, so that others can benefit. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Current Red Hat version available
Jim, See my earlier reply today about my fat-fingers (or fat brain). I know what I was trying to say...just didn't say it well. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:59 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Current Red Hat version available We are using RHEL 4 (of some sort) on z/OS. ... Kevin: If you are running RHEL 4 on z/OS it would be a miracle (or close to it). RHEL 4 does run on System z and zSeries hardware, but z/OS is another operating system and does not support guests (that is what z/VM is for!). ;-) Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SUSE 10 in LPAR Mode
Because Windows is not case sensitive and Unix is. Very easy to fat-finger a filename. I've seen it on my own website when switching from a Windows based server to a Unix based server on a hyperlink to a JPG, for example where the uploaded JPG has a different case to the hyperlink (works under Windows but not Unix). K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Tully Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:40 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SUSE 10 in LPAR Mode Paul, Having installed a fair number of copies of Linux at customer sites, I can assure you the FTP server CAN be on a window server, BUT each time I have installed from a window server I have had a problem with case that I do not have when installing from a *nix server. So I consistently tell my customers a window server is the last option I would ask for, especially when another group is controlling the server and requires multiple layers of help to affect changes. regards Phil Tully Paul Noble wrote: I don't know if this is your problem or not, but the consultant who helped us install z/VM and SUSE Linux told us that the installation FTP server COULD NOT BE ON A WINDOWS SERVER. It had something to do with Windows handling the long file names incorrectly. He had Linux running on his laptop, which we plugged into our network and used as the installation server. I don't think that the fact that we are running z/VM and you are running in an LPAR makes any difference. I also can't vouch for the truth of his warning from personal experience. Paul Noble, Network Engineer Cuyahoga County Information Service Center Martin, Larry D [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/5/2007 8:02 AM Looking for help. This is my first attempt at Linux on the mainframe. I have a trial copy of SUSE 10 and am trying to install it into an LPAR on a Z890. I have built an IPL Tape and that works. When trying to build the system I need to access the INSTALL folder at an FTP site. I have that on a Windows 2000 server but all I can get is image not found. Can someone give me any insight as to what the response to the Enter the directory on the server should look like? I have no CDROM available. I also tried NFS from a z/OS 1.7 system with similar results. Thanks, Larry Martin ... ... This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Prince George*s County Government or Prince George's County 7th Judicial Circuit Court proprietary information, which is privileged and confidential. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- 'in media stat virtus' Virtue's in the middle -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
I love the SOA comment...it's a big buzzword around here right now. I am sure that SOA means different things to different people. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kreuter Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:30 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info What would the goal of your POC be? z/VM does many things well - but running one thing only like one Oracle machine is not advisable. Run multiple Oracle machines in your POC. Be careful when comparing performance; show many virtual machines running Oracle, not one. Think business case. Show license savings and the excellent vertical and horizontal growth potential with z/VM in IFLs. Rapid deployment. I have no idea what SOA is other than vaporware and white papers, but, hey, if it's good for z/VM, I like it! David -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 3:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Thanks for your input everyone. Here are some answers to your questions. The driving forces here are pushing SOA. (I'm still trying to define what this means vs. our current processing architecture) I have seen some articles recently that point to Oracle on LINUX as being a good option for SOA. I am trying to find out what determines this. We currently run on a 2 CPU z-800 2066-0a2 (somewhere around 243 mips). We have a 2 LPAR multi-system sysplex for production running zos on one and zos.e on the other. Originally we had 1 Oracle data base on the zos.e side. And this worked well...for quite a while. We are now doing a lot more (9 data bases) and we are really juggling WLM to try to improve performance. We have divided the data bases over the 2 LPARS now. We have a lot of feeds coming in from other servers and users, replication, etc to keep the data base as current as possible for all the queries that come in. We also have 1 IFL (I believe 192 mips) running z/VM with a handful of LINUX (SLES 8) instances which are used mainly for file servers. One user successfully attempted to put Oracle on a LINUX instance a few years ago but their management chose another path before it was implemented. We are in the same branch with the DBAs so we have the possibility of laying out an Oracle instance in LINUX. We would like to do some type of proof of concept, but I've never done this before. Any and all suggestions/directions/comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone, Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richards.Bob Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:08 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Mary, It has been done quite successfully by numerous people on this list, but I am sure they want more specific information about your configuration in order to advise you further. Information like the number of databases, the number of servers, etc. License costs should be a definite pro. Also contact a local IBMer and see if you can subscribe to one of the z/Linux councils. Lots of good presentations available there, including one on Oracle just put out there recently by David Kreuter of VM-Resources Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are in the process of evaluating distributed database consolidations ourselves. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:30 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Need z/VM-LINUX info Hi Everyone, We are doing research to see if moving some/all of our Oracle data bases from z/OS (1.4 or 1.7) to LINUX on a z/VM IFL would be a good move. We will be moving toward SOA and I need some strong support to recommend this verses going to another platform such as UNIX or Windows. I have read some articles that sound good, but I'm hoping to get some comments, ideas, pro's or con's from anyone out there that can help me either justify the move or reject the idea. Thanks for your help! Mary Yukus :-) LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Link worked OK for me K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 9:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Nope, I still get the same message. Mary -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:34 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 4:09 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neale, Do you happen to have a copy of the Nationwide document? I get a message that the file is damaged and could not be repaired when I click on the link. Try it again. I re-uploaded it, and it seems to check out now. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info
Shouldn't you have had a Soapbox On/ there ? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Stuart Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 12:45 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Need z/VM-LINUX info Sorry Dave, But this is one of my pet peeves, here. I probably should have pulled out my Soapbox On. Is it just me, or does no one in the computer science field get taught how to do basic literature searches for past inventions? Doesn't really matter what is being taught. The problem, here, at least, and probably other places, is that management isn't doing basic literature searches, whether or not they know/were taught how. Here, we seem to be suffering from Drive-by Management (from Scott Adams' Dilbert), or Management by Airline Magazine/Consultant Report/... As the articles and reports change, so does the 'strategic direction'. Dave Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/13/2007 9:24 AM snip. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Geek toys (spun off from: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system!)
I don't want anything where you have to request a quote g K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:58 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Geek toys (spun off from: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system!) This is what I want: http://www.zcorp.com/products/printersdetail-450.asp?ID=1 One guy who uses it (or an earlier model) to make 3D puzzles calls it his Santa Claus machine. He starts it up at night and in the morning he has the finished product waiting for him. Jon -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system!
You don't have any old empty S360 chassis in your garage for storage? Opportunities missed, huh? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:32 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system! running on a Series 1(?) Shh! I'm trying to forget those beasts ever existed. Anything that cares in what order you power up the parts is ... traumatic. Bleah. Boy, that brought back lots of memories, including two weeks in Endicott working with one of the first 7170's and a digitizer we had shipped out there and back, getting the first shot at making them work together. The cage enclosures from 7170 serial #s 12 and 18 are sitting in my living room. They're exactly the right size and height for end tables; they had nice formica tops and they've got plenty of pre-installed power outlets with nice cable races...8-). The PCs are long gone, I'm afraid (although I do still have the boot diskettes). A 7171 would make a peachy beer fridge. I've always thought that 3380 cabinets would have made wonderful wardrobes (with a few internal modifications and application of a lot of degreaser). I'd also love to get my hands on a couple of 8232s. The innards are worthless, but they're really nice enclosed 19 racks. Maybe it's just a postmodern decorating sort of day. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system!
Or a bigger house g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:23 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system! You don't have any old empty S360 chassis in your garage for storage? Opportunities missed, huh? No, all the 360 gear I have is live hardware. 8-) It's the DEC-10, the DEC-2040, and the assorted PDP-11 cabinets I need to find space for. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system!
If you ever get divorced, let me know g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:00 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system! Then I must have an abberative spouse. She helped me build a 6 foot tall Pentium Chip model. For a 2 minute gag. 400 lights and drew 11 amps off of batteries. She thought it was a good idea to gut the 9672 and put it in the garage. She makes me buy the more expensive power tool because it has more features I'll use. She bought me a car for Valentines day. She watches football. She bought me a HDTV for football season last fall. I could go on. Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 05/31/2007 02:38:39 PM: On May 31, 2007, at 2:04 PM, David Boyes wrote: Or a bigger house g. Someday I'm going to have an outbuilding with raised floor and proper cogen equipment. If I build it, then the machines will come... You have made one critical mistake with that plan. You got married. After a while, you know better than to buy the machine in the first place, because you can *imagine* the look you will get when She Who Must Be Obeyed comes home and finds it lurking in the garage. I *know* whereof I speak. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
Well, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that a company that is in business to make money doesn't want to discuss giving their software away g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:41 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Hello! They do not. I suspect it goes against their mentality. I once facetiously suggested to a representative of theirs that they should simply give away the OEM versions to licensed or appropriately and duly recognized individuals, and simply make arrangements that licenses and their associated cost be passed on to the buy of the hardware. However it got laughed out of the forum because he, (or was it she?) refused to believe that I was indeed serious and using that form of phrasing. However here's where it gets screwy, my local LUG is reacting very strangely to this issue. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:19 -0500 McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today. Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. /quote A fine demonstration that Microsoft still don't understand even the basic concepts of Free Software. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: TCPIP sniffering
Looks like non character data, binary file ? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Metske Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:05 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: TCPIP sniffering Hi, we are quite new to zLinux (not to linux). We have some troubles with TCPIP networking, and are trying to diagnose some things. One of the first things we do is start sniffering on the network devices (tcpdump or ethereal). When we do this on zLinux, we see only weird packets passing, not anything that is recognized by either tcpdump or ethereal. The packets look like this : 13:01:38.311734 40:00:7a:06:07:eb (oui Unknown) 45:60:00:5c:43:5c (oui Unknown), ethertype Unknown (0xac1e), length 92: 0x: aac9 9148 ccc4 0f22 0016 e598 2910 a9ca ...H...)... 0x0010: 8e23 5018 3f98 4977 2bc9 1329 5c8c .#P.?.Iw..+..)\. 0x0020: 225d e502 e80e d104 d626 3a28 cf4e 292f ]...:(.N)/ 0x0030: 64bc 1332 6db8 29df d6f3 b46d e9ce c496 d..2m.)m 0x0040: 4ef6 53a4 8c80 9c5d 581f 1df3 2c2d N.S]X...,- There are thousands of packets like this passing in just a few seconds. The symptoms are the same for both OSA devices as HiperSockets. Are we missing something here ? I know we can somehow do similar thing under z/VM, but at the moment the Linux environment is more comfortable to us, so any advice is welcome. regards, Harry Metske De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt, wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. Rabobank Nederland is een handelsnaam van de Cooperatieve Centrale Raiffeisen-Boerenleenbank B.A.Rabobank Nederland staat ingeschreven bij de K.V.K. onder nr. 30046259 The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. Rabobank Nederland is a trade name of Cooperatieve Centrale Raiffeisen-Boerenleenbank B.A. Rabobank Nederland is registered by the Chamber of commerce under nr. 30046259 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
I understand it only too well, but it isn't Microsoft's business model. It is, in their opinion, not a valid business model to give away their software. Their choice, no? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:12 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. On Wed, 16 May 2007 05:40:44 -0400 Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that a company that is in business to make money doesn't want to discuss giving their software away g. Ah.. someone else who doesn't understand it 8) If you make more money indirectly by giving it away than by selling it which does the rational business do ? It isn't really any different to the growing number of musicians who give their music away to get people to profitable gigs rather than go via the established music industry. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Article for z/Journal
I have been working on computer systems for over 40 years now. Anything from mainframe software development to mini-computers to PCs to embedded software development. It seems to me that although people think that the mainframe is going away...it's not obvious to me that the statement is totally true. Certainly, the main system that I work on here is mainframe based. There are other systems that we talk to that are distributed. Several of those were migrated over the last few years from a variety of platforms to HP Superdomes. The last one that was migrated HP had to build a superdome specifically for this installation (as they are not made anymore). This type of thing does not happen in the IBM mainframe world. IBM has had a migration path for many years to allow upgrades. If you look around the CICS Listserver, it becomes obvious just how many different corporations are using mainframes in significant ways. We have recently installed z/VM here (a z/OS shop only up till now) to enable some XML front end work to go on running under Linux. z/OS will still not go away here. The inbound XML transactions will still be processed by the existing mainframe applications. We process almost 7M transactions per day through the IBM mainframes with significant database processing at the back end. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabe Goldberg Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Article for z/Journal I'm doing an article for Bob Thomas' z/Journal http://www.zjournal.com/ about next-generation mainframers, industry and educational outreach initiatives for students and young professionals, opportunities and obstacles for people exploring this career area, etc. www.ibm.com/university/systemz is interesting if you've not seen it. A long-time and common topic on these lists (and I've cross-posted this note to several) is the graying of mainframers and how there is or will be a shortage of people to use/support/enhance big iron. I'm interested in what you're seeing -- in industry, schools, user groups, etc. -- regarding new generations of mainframers. Does your employer court/train young professionals for mainframe careers? Do you work with younger colleagues? Is there a generation gap or is there solidarity within mainframes? Do you have younger relatives working on mainframes? If so, did you influence their career choices? Do user groups adequately educate new folks in this technology and culture? Are your mainframe areas of interest reflected in industry/educational initiatives? If YOU are a non-graying mainframer -- what led to this career path? How do you like it so far? What future options do you see for yourself? Anything else? This will be a relatively short article so I likely won't be able to use everything contributed, but it's an interesting topic so I might explore it more later. I'll appreciate all comments/feedback -- and please reply directly to me as well as to the lists where you see this; since I get list digests it's a pain extracting nuggets from the daily mailings. Thanks for helping... -- Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. (703) 204-0433 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IBM Journal of RD article on z9 millicode
Well, the HILITE command in ISPF at least tries to a little part of the highlighting for syntax for many languages. Not an Eclipse, I know, but every little helps. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:51 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Journal of RD article on z9 millicode It was probably WebSphere Developer for System z. http://www.ibm.com/software/awdtools/devzseries/ Probably. It's still really, really disturbing to see Eclipse doing syntax highlighting for PL/1 and COBOL, though...8-) On the other hand, the focus of the session was on attracting young developers to the platform, and the young lady doing the presentation was pretty clear that her entire background up to the point of joining IBM was as a Java developer. She made a number of interesting points about leveraging Linux as a development workstation with interfaces into the traditional Z environments. I can pull the presentation if anyone is interested. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Timezone change.
On the z/OS side, we had some issues that we raised to IBM via an ETR. We ended up adding a line to CEECOPT (LE Options) that specified the month, week and time to change the clocks (US East Coast time was a default that we used (probably without even realizing it). Certainly, the C localtime calls that we do worked correctly with the added line to CEECOPT. An IBM APAR gave us some issues as we currently have some of our systems at different PTF levels. Is there a similar file to change under z/VM? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jose Raul Baron Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:32 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Timezone change. Yes, I have also date related problems: In Madrid it's now 10'30 local time. But: date mié mar 21 11:30:45 CET 2007 The DOW is correct and so is the date but the time is one hour in advance. Don't know how to handle this. -Mensaje original- De: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Goodwin, Derric Enviado el: martes, 20 de marzo de 2007 22:56 Para: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Asunto: Re: Timezone change. We patched all of our z/systems and when we rebooted some of them defaulted back to UTC and the time was showing off. I reset them via yast to reflect localtime and everything went well after IPL. The following (DST weekend) I patched all my systems, made sure they were reflecting localtime and now after IPL they are showing up on UTC time, but in yast their are showing up as localtime. Any ideas why some of my guests (across different lpars) boot in UTC even though they show localtime and why some of my guests never had a problem with this and always ipl into the correct hardware clock mode? Anyone else experience this problem? Could it have something to do with VM and how the guest is picking up its time on ipl? Thanks. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What is vnc
I must admit that being predominantly a mainframe user under z/OS, I also FTP download files to the PC, edit them and FTP upload them again IF I have a significant amount of rework on some code. Copy/paste and graphical screens (not fixed 43*80 screens used by ISPF-Edit) are just more friendly than ISPF-Edit on the mainframe. But for normal editing sessions, I still use ISPF-Edit. I, personally, don't like vi but don't use it enough to become familiar with it. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is vnc It seems I've struck a nerve with my frustration using the native linux editors. I guess I'll rephrase and just say that the best alternative I have found is to ftp to the linux workstation and gedit the file, then ftp it back. It gives me the ability to manipulate large files with ease. Others have suggested NFS and this might be an interesting alternative to ftp'ing back and forth. My users won't be compiling anything so an IDE seems like overkill. A seamless way for them to edit files on the server database from their linux workstations would be a good solution. thanks and sorry - Original Message From: Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 8:13:20 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Warren Taylor wrote: due to the uniqueness of our work, an IDE is probably not worth the expenditure and if I hear one more reference to vi Im going to croak. These editors are far too weak to be considered for any type of serious work. even emacs is too weak to accomplish the task. we have a small number of users and currently most have linux workstations available to them. Please enlighten me as to what task is so enormous that emacs can't do it, but for which an IDE is unsuitable. In fact, just enlighten me as to what's a stronger editor than emacs. I have difficulty envisioning this. I have met better development environments than Emacs + Speedbar + whatever-mode ( + some combination of useful elisp), but not many of them, and only in purpose-built environments. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What is vnc
Yep, the zLinux guys are still getting used to everything as our Linux project won't go live for a while yet. I'm kind of on the periphery as they will be sending messages into the existing CICS regions for those who wish to send data in using XML (and that hits the stuff that I work on). Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:07 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is vnc Kevin ... You too might consider an NFS client. No reason you could not use ISPF edit against Linux content. It's your call. -- R; Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 03/09/2007 05:04 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU From Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: What is vnc I must admit that being predominantly a mainframe user under z/OS, I also FTP download files to the PC, edit them and FTP upload them again IF I have a significant amount of rework on some code. Copy/paste and graphical screens (not fixed 43*80 screens used by ISPF-Edit) are just more friendly than ISPF-Edit on the mainframe. But for normal editing sessions, I still use ISPF-Edit. I, personally, don't like vi but don't use it enough to become familiar with it. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What is vnc It seems I've struck a nerve with my frustration using the native linux editors. I guess I'll rephrase and just say that the best alternative I have found is to ftp to the linux workstation and gedit the file, then ftp it back. It gives me the ability to manipulate large files with ease. Others have suggested NFS and this might be an interesting alternative to ftp'ing back and forth. My users won't be compiling anything so an IDE seems like overkill. A seamless way for them to edit files on the server database from their linux workstations would be a good solution. thanks and sorry - Original Message From: Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 8:13:20 PM Subject: Re: What is vnc On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Warren Taylor wrote: due to the uniqueness of our work, an IDE is probably not worth the expenditure and if I hear one more reference to vi Im going to croak. These editors are far too weak to be considered for any type of serious work. even emacs is too weak to accomplish the task. we have a small number of users and currently most have linux workstations available to them. Please enlighten me as to what task is so enormous that emacs can't do it, but for which an IDE is unsuitable. In fact, just enlighten me as to what's a stronger editor than emacs. I have difficulty envisioning this. I have met better development environments than Emacs + Speedbar + whatever-mode ( + some combination of useful elisp), but not many of them, and only in purpose-built environments. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: The quantum computer comes of age
I would like one of your bogometers (I could use one here). Do you sell them? LOL K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:52 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: The quantum computer comes of age Not likely. The Dwave machine is based on setting up the state machines (the equivalent of programming the thing) and then cooling the equipment to cryogenic temperatures. It doesn't' function at all at room temperature, and it's really hard to change the keys. 8-) Well that's similar to what GM, Ford, and Chrysler said about the first Toyotas that washed ashore... Color me a bit cynical, but J-junctions have been touted as the next big solution to every computational problem since addition since they were discovered, and this time also triggers my bogometer. We still haven't seen a working quantum device that can solve a non-trivial problem that hasn't been deconstructed by an enormous amount of human intelligence first. Decomposition for massively parallel architectures is peanuts compared to problem decomposition for quantum architectures. It's an enormously cool idea, but let's see it work first before we start chucking working stuff. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: The quantum computer comes of age
Have you fixed the bug where they blow up when placed next to documentation? Is there a PTF available? K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: The quantum computer comes of age I would like one of your bogometers (I could use one here). Do you sell them? LOL No, but the rental is very reasonable. 8-) -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux and Railroad Diagrams
/me agrees. Take a look at the arguments for the GCC compiler g. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scully, William P Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:01 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: OT: Linux and Railroad Diagrams rant Is it just me? Don't you find the syntax descriptions of Linux commands hard to understand because they're not written with so-called railroad diagrams? I don't know who invented the railroad scheme, but I certainly credit IBM (and others) for adopting the layout. If I'm force into early retirement someday I think that'll be my hobby: Re-editing Linux doc so it can be unequivocally read and understood by ordinary humans. /rant -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux and Railroad Diagrams
/me feels like giving Adam some obscure mainframe problem to solve, in that case. LOL K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:10 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux and Railroad Diagrams On Jan 31, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission wrote: Amen. I completely agree. $ man foobar The documentation for the command foobar has been moved into the GNU info system. Please consult it instead. $ info foobar RTFM $ Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Best Practices for zSeries linux ISVs?
Jeez, I thought my wife's PC (a Celeron at 1.4GHz) was slow when I got rid of it a year ago. I didn't know that people still used 350MHz PCs g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Best Practices for zSeries linux ISVs? On Fri, 2006-12-08 at 06:20 +0900, John Summerfield wrote: I didn't know Gentoo was available for z:-) Guess it was at one time (see http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/s390/ ) but I don't think it was anything but experimental, and it hasn't been looked at in awhile. Think Matt Zimmerman was involved, if I'm not mistaken. It takes 45 hours to emerge OpenOffice on my little 350MHz intelbox at home. Can't imagine what it would take in a 7060 LPAR in competition with z/OS. Some things are best left installed from binaries! -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
