Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #35 Fri, 15 Jun 01 07:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. (Edward Rosten)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Glitch)
Re: Linux freindly ISPs? (Andy Jeffries)
Re: Linux wins again (pip)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and(Thaddius
Maximus)
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (Rick)
Re: Getting used to Linux (Ayende Rahien)
Linux Magic Filter Printing (Terry Porter)
Re: Getting used to Linux (mark34-@-)
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:54:02 +0100
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-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting used to Linux
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:21:34 -0400
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], F/@- wrote:
For example, I bought ATI all-in-wonder radeon board, it is a TV tuner
card and video card in one. the ATI mutlimedia software that comes with
it and the driver and the the movie editing software all run on windows.
They do not run on Linux.
Why did you buy a card with no Linux support, if as you say, you wanted
to use Linux? Seems a bit unlikely to me.
as surprising as it may sound some people want to have all the features
of an ATI AIW board even if it does mean not being able to use it in
Linux. I'm glad my AIW (non Radeon) works in Linux and I can watch tv
with it and in windows i can capture video with it and watch tv also.
i dont like teh fact that Unrreal and Quake3 are mostly dependent on
having a Voodoo type board since it seems like those are the ones that
utilize OpenGL/Glide the most. I'd say blame there is split between Loki
and the vid card manufacturers. Loki could have made the games less
reliant on those libs but the manufactuers could have made their boards
compatible with the libs as well.
--
From: Andy Jeffries [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux freindly ISPs?
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:04:24 +0100
Shame, I'm on NTL cable and it rocks!!!
Hmm. I've heard many bad things about NTL. the ycouldn't even get a
perfectly ordinary iMac working.
I have only spoken to their tech support once and the girl (!) was
superb!!!
But, as linux developer I have a reasonable amount of knowledge
myself...
Cheers,
--
Andy Jeffries
Lead-developer of Scramdisk for Linux (SD4L)
Developer of the original Scramdisk Delphi Component
http://www.scramdisk.eu.org
--
From: pip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux wins again
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:10:25 +0100
drsquare wrote:
Benchmarks are bollocks.
You have such a way with words and reasoned arguments. Ever considered
becoming a politician ?
--
From: Thaddius Maximus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:13:13 +0100
Stephen S. Edwards II wrote:
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thaddius Maximus
wrote:
Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote:
Most of them feel its a lost cause. A lot
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #34Sun, 6 May 01 15:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac) Re: where's the linux performance? (Mart van de Wege) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Graham Murray) Re: Yet another IIS security bug (T. Max Devlin) Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max Devlin) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Isaac) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:20:59 GMT On Sun, 06 May 2001 17:06:51 GMT, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More accurately, their unreasonable threat stands until disproven in court. The fact that no one has taken on the challenge says more about the value of the covered works than the validity of the threat. I think there are lots of explanations for why no one is particularly interested in being sued over this issue. The validity of the threat is only one factor. As long as the FSF's position is not so weak that it is not credible that they wouldn't sue, the position is strong enough to deter most. Even an extremely weak threat would be enough to stop people who are working on projects in their free time with no particular intention to make money. My point is that while the lack of law suits is probably not a convincing arguement for the the FSF's position, it is even weaker evidence that the code is of limited value. While it's true that the FSF's position hasn't been tested in court, the position is not so far removed from some precedent that suggests their position is wrong. Isaac -- From: Mart van de Wege [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: where's the linux performance? Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:01:08 +0200 In article 9d242m$n03$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan Martindell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm just a beginning Linux user. I've recently tried Linux-Mandrake 7.2 and then Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and also Caldera OpenLinux 2.4. I've been very disappointed in the performance of all of these. My machine, I think, should be more than adaquate: 708MHz celeron fcppga cpu, 256 meg rams, 10 gig partition for linux (20 for windows 2000) on Ultra66. I've tried running KDE, Gnome, and Icevm. Programs like KMail take over 10 seconds to load. StarOffice takes a really long time too. When I'm using win2000 I never have this problem. Even on comparable software. Forte for Java and StarOffice both load many, many times faster in windows vs linux. Do you think that my linux isn't configured for maximum performance? I've spent some time looking through websites and have noticed an increase when I use the hdparm tool but nothing extrodinary. If this is the extent of the linux performance than I don't think I'll be sticking with it. However, if it just requires more work than setting up windows and you ultimately get greater performance than I will definitely stick with it. I enjoy tinkering with computers in that way. What do all of you think of this? Do you know of any websites that show the results of linux benchmarks? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Sincerely, Jonathan Jonathan, First of all, if necessary, apologies for the people thinking you are a troll. They have been reading this group longer than I am, and most posts like yours turn out to be someone who is out to troll this group instead of really asking for help. That being said, I think there are some things that might be worth looking into. As someone else remarked, first check if you don't have any unnecessary services running, this can really bring down your performance. Second, you said that a little tweaking with hdparm brought a noticable, if small increase. This for me would indicate that the stock kernels in your distros are not optimized for your hardware. Unfortunately, this means that you will have to recompile your kernel. Fortunately, this is quite easy. I'll give you a quick rundown: 1. First locate the kernel sources. They are usually in /usr/src/linux. If necessary, download the most recent kernel yourself. 2. In a terminal, as root, go to the kernel source directory
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #33Sun, 1 Apr 01 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Dana")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software gloat! (Roger)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software gloat! (Roger)
Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Java, the "Dot-Com" Language? (GreyCloud)
Re: Microsoft has gone insane (GreyCloud)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: More Microsoft security concerns: Wall Street Journal
Date: 1 Apr 2001 19:16:42 GMT
On Mike Martinet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd say it's noteworthy in light of Microsoft's expensive, prime-time
television ads touting their software's ability to handle anything the
Internet thows at them. According to these ads, maintaining a gigantic
internet presence is a piece of cake for W2k.
I mean, if they're not really up to dealing with the large internet
loads that their software is supposed to handle; where did they get the
expertise to design the software in the first place?
Seems rather circular to me.
Using the word 'expertise' is the hole in your circle. M$ tends to
design crap: they can mimick OS/2 Warp with crap like W95 but any fool
can tell the difference. They take BSD code to tighten up NT4 and end
up with W2000, still a marginal OS. All that matters is the name on a
pretty graphic, whether magazine or TV. Subliminally it somehow adds
up in the viewers subconscious mind.
MjM
--
Sweepea
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New worm infests Linux machines/Exposes root backdoor
Date: 1 Apr 2001 19:16:47 GMT
On [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter) wrote:
On 24 Mar 2001 17:02:09 -0600, Jan Johanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I mean, if someone was running as root and you mailed them a damaging script
and they ran it zapping half their system - would you blame linux? I
wouldn't - but you do that to MS...
Strawman ...
Windows95 and Windows98, still used by millions of people, have NO
ALTERNATIVE but to run as root.
If your above scenario happened, it would be to a Linux newbie, and I'd
certainly blame the user, however Windows users (95 and 98) have
no other option, but to run as root. Hence it's the OS thats to blame in this
case.
If they came to you I'm sure you would tell them to disable file
extension hiding and also to disable 'vb script' in 'Explorer'. And
not to use that POS email prg Outlook Express but any other in the
list of dozens that are available. And remove double click = 'open' an
exe, .bat, .com, .vbs, .scr, from Explorer. And use a
freeware/shareware firewall for dialup. Etc, etc, just call it
'customization'. That would get about 95% of it.
--
From: "Dana" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:46:24 -0800
Scott Erb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
Scott Erb wrote:
-snip a bunch of insults and lame attacks-
FUCK YOU and your LYING PROPAGANDA SPEWING ASS.
I'll keep correcting you with facts, and showing how your claims,
unsubstantiated and unsupported, are dead wrong.
If you don't like it, feel free to hurl more insults.
There is no "democratic" about it. We are a Republic. More
specifically, we are a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC.
The proper term is a Democratic Republic, or, as I explained, a Liberal
Democracy. You are simply wrong, I've even pointed to books, I can give
you some more cites if you want.
No Erb, you are the one that is wrong. We are a constitutional republic. We
are not a liberal democracy, that form of socialism is found in Europe in
countries like Germany. And our federalism is not Germany's federalism.
I really hope you are not telling your students these lies.
But since they contradict your silly whims, you'll just call it
propaganda, and rely on your unsupported assertions. Very lame. But
very easy to slap down.
NOWHERE in *ANY* government laws and sort of democratic *anything*
allowed at the State or Federal level.
You're wrong. The day for elections is even specified, elections are
part of democracy. Certainly we don't have pure, crude democracy of
unlimited majority rule. No one is arguing for that.
And that does not make it a "liberal democracy". When you place liberal in
front of democracy, you change the
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #32 Sat, 17 Feb 01 03:13:07 EST Contents: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Charlie Ebert) Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Aaron Kulkis) Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:06:35 GMT In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Kulkis wrote: Now that we have the KGB records this is true. But the people he went after were the wrong people. The people he went after would have suffered not in the least if they had merely turned states' evidence and simply turned in the deeply burrowed traitors and moles. They knew names, but refused to reveal them. However, they thought preserving their ideology was more important than loyalty to their fellow citizens, and the very Constitution which keeps them free. So the suffered for it. Personally, I wish they had suffered even more devestating repercussions. Treason is bad enough. Treason for the purpose of replacing freedom with tyranny is absolutely inexcusable. I'll bite. This looks like a good one. Okay. #1. Not everybody he ran thru the mill fit this catagory. #2. If this reasoning were true, they we should be putting suspected witness's of murders on trial as we suspect they knew how done it. To transport Linus back in time, we would find him on trial as he's from a communist government I think his father is still a reporter in Moscow actually. Then there's the aspect of the CIA and all their actions. It just tickles me pink to know now that the CIA was nowhere. Yet the FBI had two people working directly for the premier and were sending Hoover reports monthly. Sometimes reports would come every 2 weeks! And this went on for over a decade! Imagine that. That History channel is wonderful stuff. -- Charlie **DEBIAN****GNU** / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ / /_/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_/ /_/\_\ http://www.debian.org -- From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Interesting article Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:08:04 -0500 Charlie Ebert wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Kulkis wrote: Steve Mading wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : No, really, I want to know. : When it's good for Linux, Linux is Unix. When it's bad for Linux, : Linux isn't Unix. Bull. There are many Unixen, of which Linux is one in every way except the legal trademark way. This is very simple, and very consistent. When speaking on technical issues, Linux is one of the Unixes. When speaking on legal or corporate issues, (trademark discussions, or discussing how "unix companies" tend to act) it is not. Now, speaking on technical issues, both statements: "Linux is Unix" and "Linux is not UNIX" don't really fit 100%. UNIX is a set of OSes, ONE of which is Linux. Niether sentence tells the whole story. You are comparing a set to a scalar. This might be why you are confused on this very simple issue. That's why I was careful to phrase it as "Linux is ONE OF THE Unixen". But English is a sloppy language, where it is *sometimes* acceptable to say "A is B" when you really mean "A is a subset of B" (Example, "a bannana is fruit". This is because nouns sometimes are treated like objects and sometimes like classes, depending on context. UNIX is such a noun.) Actually, a better way to put it is: -- -- / | | |X - - \ / | | |/+\- - - \ / | | |/+ +\- - - \ / | | |/+ + +\- - - \ / | | |/+ + + +\- - - \ | | | ||+ Linux +|- - - | | Linux| ++ | Unix | | | | ||+ Unix+ +|- - - | \ | | |\+ + + +/- - - / \ | | |\+ + +/- - - / \ | | |\+ +/- - - / \ | | |\+/- - - / \ | | |X- - - / - - MR KULKIS! FOR CHRIST SAKES!@ CHILDREN MAY BE READING THIS NEWSGROUP! TAKE THIS OBSCENE PICTURE OFF OF HERE PLEASE!!! No...no... THAT's not obscene THIS is obscene: -- -- / | | |X - - \ / | | |/U\- - - \ / | | |/+ +\- - - \ / | | |/+ + +\- - - \ / | | |/+ + + +\- - - \ | | | ||+ Linux +|- - - | | Linux| + O + | Unix | | | | ||+ Unix+ +|- - - | \ | | |\+ + + +/- - - / \ | | |\+ + +/- - - / \ | | |\+ +/- - - / \ | | |\+/- - - / \ | | |X- - - / - ---
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #31Fri, 5 Jan 01 04:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Need help with NT ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("kiwiunixman")
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! ("kiwiunixman")
Re: The 2.4.0 kernel was released at 4pm pst. ("kiwiunixman")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:10:33 -0500
Andy Newman wrote:
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
to append to the end of a line, the first step needed was to delete
invisible characters which I never typed in.
Your idea of the file and the system's may have been a little at odds.
Fixed length records aren't totally natural when it comes to editing
free form text.
Pretty idiotic way to write an editor, to be used for programming, isn't it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: "kiwiunixman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:11:46 GMT
gridiron, that stupid excuse for a sport where by every tackle they have a 5
minute break!
kiwiunixman
"JM" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Thu, 04 Jan 2001 20:49:23 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
("Colin R. Day" [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
What the f*? That's standard American English. And yes, we won our
revolution, so we're entitled to change the spelling. Or do you
expect
us to retain the King's/Queen's English after rejecting the monarch?
Colin Day
hmm, The rest of the world plays Cricket whilst you play Baseball
That's odd. Baseball is much more popular than cricket in Japan and
Laitn America. I don't recall cricket being an Olympic sport.
And I don't recall cricket players needing giant gloves just to catch
an already over sized ball.
The rest of the world plays Rugby whilst you play Gridiron
Probably soccer more than rugby.
What's gridiron?
And yes I do expect you to retain the kings/queens english! It is the
standard way of spelling words.
Don't hold your breath.
Why not?
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Almost 60% Surveyed Plan To Install Windows 2000
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 03:14:19 -0500
"The Phantom Poster (bwahahaha)" wrote:
"Larry R" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I don't know who they surveyed, but I don't believe them.
Why not?
Could it be because Microsoft has a 20-year history of lying
and committing fraud, black mail, extortion, and other criminal
behavior, and also reserves the right to edit *ANY* statement
made by the holder of a Microsoft End User License so that even
the most unfavorable (for Microsoft) statement can be reworded
by Microsoft's lawyers to present Microsoft's products as the
superior p
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #30 Wed, 15 Nov 00 21:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Help!! (Michael Vester)
Re: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights? (tom)
Need some advice on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights? ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (mlw)
RE: Need some advice on Linux ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights? (Osugi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (mlw)
Re: Need some advice on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights? ("kosh")
Re: More Linux good news! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Disapointed in the election ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: Michael Vester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Help!!
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:44:27 -0700
"Aleksandar V." wrote:
Michael Vester wrote:
Your best bet is comp.os.linux.setup, this is an advocacy
group where Windows advocates come to throw stones. When I
setup dual boot system, I scrub the drive first. It is just
easier that way. Windows needs periodic re-installation
anyways just to keep it running.
Michael,
Can I ask you a simple question? You seem to be running a Netscape 4.61 under
Linux. I'm using Netscape 4.51 but it cannot cache newsgroup messages,
although in the preferences the option "keep all newsgroup messages" is
turned on.
Can your version of browser cache messages? Or is there a way, maybe, of
setting Netscape to work correctly?
Thanks,
Sascha
It appears that Netscape does not cache messages locally on my
4.61 version. I have the same settings and each time I click
on a header, the reader still connects to the news server to
download the message. After I read the message and then return
to it, the message loads locally. The online documentation is
not very clear regarding the caching of messages and what is
the intent.
In the distance past, I used Compuserve and acquired a piece
of software which let you download an entire message board.
Those were the days when online time was something like
$9/hour for 2400 baud connection speed. The ability to grab an
entire message board was highly desired compared to reading
each message one at a time while online. I don't think
Netscape has the same ability. Now, it seems irrelevant with
unlimited online time.
A brute force solution is to setup your own news server. Just
process the groups that your are interested in. I have seen a
few organizations do this to give their employees access to an
excellent information resource without the undesirable
elements.
Michael Vester
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A credible Linux advocate
--
From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:08:27 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Colin R. Day" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tom wrote:
Pan looks promising. Dumb question: which file(s) do I need to
download? I know Mandrake can use rpm's, but there are about five
different one's listed, perhaps for different systems? (I have a
P266.)
Look for i386 or i586 in the rpm name.
Download all such packages, as there may be depencies.
Thanks. Be nice if they'd give more info, e.g. if the rpm's are a
complete set.
Tom
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need some advice on Linux
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:21:54 GMT
A PC (AMD Athlon 1 Ghz) has been shipped to me with Windows Me
installed in it. The disk size is 30 GB. I wanted to know what I need
to do now to install Linux on it (but retain the Windows Me). Please
advise. I am new to Linux but I have always used Unix and I bought the
PC so that I could install and learn Linux on it.
Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Linux INstability Netscape : Insights?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:29:52 GMT
Why the Hell if NT does fail it is always the graphics
drivers and when Linux fails is a crappy OS ? The only
times my GNU/Linux's have failed me is when RAM or
motherboard are wrong be it hardware trouble or heat.
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From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:36:13 -0500
Craig Kelley wrote:
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael Livshin wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) writes:
I'm not saying you should use C++ without polymorphism.
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #29 Fri, 22 Sep 00 05:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Peter Ammon) Re: Newbie question: Setting up RAID 1 and RAID5 (moonie;)) Re: Computer and memory (Steve Mading) hypocritical Unix apologists (Richard) Re: Computer and memory (Steve Mading) Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (D. Spider) Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Mike Byrns) Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (D. Spider) Re: hypocritical Unix apologists (FM) Re: angry programmers (Richard) Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Richard) Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Richard) Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard) From: Peter Ammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:33:58 -0400 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Byrns wrote: Peter Ammon wrote: dc wrote: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:05:05 -0500, Mayor Of R'lyeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also the movies are a business not an Apple welfare office. Do you realy think that if Compaq made a better offer they'd turn them down? Yes, frankly, I do. LOL! Apparently I missed this the first time around. C'mon Peter...think about it. That's a riot! You can't argue with facts. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/features/starringapple.html "Its sometimes as easy as the director saying, It has to be a Mac, and we cant use anything else. That happens a lot. I can't argue with someone who uses Apple propaganda as "facts". Get another source that claims the same thing and you win some credibility. Do you want quotes from movie producers, maybe? Here's a few from Michael Crichton, producer of Sphere, Twister, etc. "...it was immediately clear that the Mac was a better computer in every way." "...the real reason I prefer Macs is because they stimulate my creativity more than other machines." "I am certainly aware that my experience using a Mac has been incorporated in my writing sometimes very directly." So Michael says that he prefers Macs, and that he incorporates them into his work. His decision, based on his personal preference...not Apple's dollars. -Peter -- From: moonie;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin Subject: Re: Newbie question: Setting up RAID 1 and RAID5 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:52:03 -0400 On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, J Sloan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Linux Gurus!! I am a Linux newbie. I am trying to learn the concept of RAID system. Can someone tell me the step-by-step procedure on setting up a RAID 1 and RAID 5 system, please. Once I have installed another diskdrive, formatted and partitioned it, I don't know what to do next! Maybe, you can tell me the URL of the site or share what you did when you setup your RAID system. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html told me all I needed to set up raid on Red Hat 6.2 servers (This may even be on your Linux system in /usr/doc/HOWTO) jjs As a side note, RAID 5 requires at least 3 drives. -- moonie ;) Registered Linux User #175104 http://counter.li.org KDE2 Kernel 2.4.0-test5 XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers RAID 0 Striped Test-Pilots-R-Us ;) -- From: Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Computer and memory Date: 22 Sep 2000 05:59:09 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Byrns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Bob Hauck wrote: : On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:39:41 GMT, Chad Myers : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : : How about if a foreign telco company bought out some : of our major infrastructure companies. : : Scottish Power recently bought Pacificorp. Pacificorp provides : electricity to several western states, including California. : Uh oh. I can see it now. The damn meter reader's gonna be wearing a : kilt. I guess that'll make it more fun for my dog :-) "Scotty! Give me a status report on those L.A. brownouts!" "Cap'n, We're givin' ya all she's go'. She canna take no more! If we keep this up much longer, she's gonna blow." -- From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hypocritical Unix apologists Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 06:08:53 GMT FM wrote: Donovan Rebbechi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to the title of this post. DOn't know about you, but I haven't heard of any notable Linux developer by the name of "FM". I probably should've titled it as "angry Linuxers" then. (*) Of course not, since I'm not a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #27 Thu, 22 Jun 00 17:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux is awesome!
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux (Jeff
Szarka)
Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (david parsons)
Re: Number of Linux Users ("Leonardo")
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux
(Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: You Should Not Treat Linux Like M$ Windows ("Bracy")
Re: Wintrolls in panic! (Cihl)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting realityor
fantasy? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: A contrived strstream performance test. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft Ruling Too
Harsh (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Linux, easy to use?
Re: High School is out...here come the trolls...who can't accept the future.
("Leonardo")
Re: A contrived strstream performance test. (The Ghost In The Machine)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:13:05 GMT
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:52:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:06:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Linux sucks Mark and you know it. The only reason you support it is
because it fits into the cult like left wing, screw the establishment
ala "Pacifica Radio" which you seem to believe in and support.
I don't know about Mark, but the reason *I* am using linux is simply
that it works, and does the things I want from an OS, mostly the way
I want them done (and where the differences between my wants and what
linux does are really irking me, I *can* [and do] roll my own).
That's fair enough. Most Windows users however are not interested in
rolling their own. Henceforth the vast number of shrinkwrap
applications on the market.
This phenomenon is not purely limited to WinDOS.
[deletia]
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From: Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:14:48 -0400
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:12:24 +0100, 2:1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Redhat 5.x - Installed but never detected my sound. It also didn't
correctly detect my monitor so I spent my time with it looking at half
a screen.
The _latest_ versions of redhat (6.0 - 6.2) are buch better re: hardware
detection. Try one, instead of a 3 year old version.
Uh... I tried this one 2-3 years ago.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about.
Date: 22 Jun 2000 12:53:33 -0700
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Colin R. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim Palmer wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:22:45 -0400, Colin R. Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Should a family of four have four different computers? Hmm. Would they
all need separate printers? Separate phone lines?
One computer. No accounts. No 'administrative idneities".
No protection from your thirteen-year-old son who is plotting revenge
for your refusal to allow him to get his navel pierced.
If your spawn is so out of control that he thinks trashing your
computer is a okay way to express his displeasure with your
decisions, passwords won't make one damn bit of difference -- the
hacker sites will give him plenty of ways to break security, if
he doesn't just hammer the system disk against the floor until
it breaks.
david parsons \bi/ Mind you, Windows on a network requires passwords
\/before you can get access to the network shares.
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From: "Leonardo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:19:23 +0300
"Aaron Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Drestin Black wrote:
"Michael Born" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
Drestin Black wrote:
"Michael Born" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking
over.
really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking
over."?
And what if the portion of the marketshare that Linux "takes over" is
that
share that once belonged to other Unixes and the Mac and "Others&qu
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257
Linux-Advocacy Digest #257, Volume #26 Tue, 25 Apr 00 13:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Joe Ragosta)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (Stephen Cornell)
Re: on installing software on linux. a worst broken system. (The Cat)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability (Craig Kelley)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (JEDIDIAH)
Windows Rescue Disks (was: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical") (Craig Kelley)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Craig Kelley)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Craig Kelley)
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Craig Kelley)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Leslie
Mikesell)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("Chad Myers")
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary ("William Palfreman")
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary ("William Palfreman")
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary ("William Palfreman")
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary ("William Palfreman")
Re: Windows Rescue Disks (was: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical") (JEDIDIAH)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:09:15 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:01:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:35:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
Or if you're just a normal human being who wants to get things done
quickly without investing mountains of time and effort (and trips to
the library to get manuals) just to do some basic filesharing.
What makes you think some granny won't need to do the same for
Windows. You've not really supported the claim that 'she'
wouldn't, just made the claim that what is there seems obvious
from the point of view of a relative expert.
...by expecting a user to right click on a file, click sharing, and
then say OK?
Yes, that is UNREASONABLE. That all presumes a level of knowledge
of the system that a novice CAN'T be expected to have.
Have you ever actually dealt with dufus end users?
Or by the ease of which I can tell someone how to do that?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:12:48 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 01:09:44 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 05:40:36 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
I think enough people have moved to the GUI to demonstrate that it is
the preferred interface. I know *you* are more comfortable in the
CLI, but I think most people have shown to strongly prefer the GUI.
In this day and age, people aren't exactly given a choice. They
never have been really. The 'tyranny of the majority' has
historically forced them to use one option or another not because
it was 'best' but because it was most numerous.
Clicking on something is easier than opening a manual to try to find
the right commands.
You've never demonstrated that the end user wouldn't have to
open up a manual in either sitatuation. You've just assumed
that they would magically stumble upon the same combination
of UI steps that you've learned over time. You also baldly
assume that the random end user would have the requistite
concepts already understood.
Windows itself exists as a dominant player in the market DESPITE
being at it's core a rather primitive CLI that managed to defeat
Macintosh due to numbers rather than quality.
Please detail how NT/2k is "a rather primitive CLI".
NT isn't the dominant player, WinDOS 98 is.
NT5 is just some 'server OS' that it's own author doesn't
want being used by 'mere mortals'.
Perhaps they think there are too many conceptual landmines in it.
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