Linux-Advocacy Digest #295
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #35 Sat, 16 Jun 01 09:13:13 EDT Contents: Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: More microsoft innovation (macman) Re: More micro$oft customer service (macman) Re: The Win/userbase! (Nigel Feltham) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (Richard Thrippleton) Re: Virus Scanners... ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux wins again (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: Getting used to Linux (drsquare) Re: Virus Scanners... (drsquare) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (drsquare) Re: IBM Goes Gay (drsquare) Re: Windows makes good coasters (drsquare) Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (drsquare) From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:12:32 GMT In article 9gfgnd$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I wanted links to send people to differnt places in my page, I would provide them. IF I dont, I dont want some third party sending people to places I have no control over. But it's not about you. It's about the *user*. We don't expect you to anticipate *every* thing that I might be interested in. Yes, it is about the web page author. There's no reason for all the words in a web site to be linked to dictionary definitions, thesaurus redefinitions, related news items, insider stock information, weather reports ... Yes there is. I often encounter words that I don't understand, or find something of interest that I would like to check. Why do you think that you have the right to prevent me from doing it? No one is saying you should be prevented from adding it. We're saying that Microsoft -- convicted for abusing their monopoly position -- should not. And there's even less reason for these links to be controlled by one company. But they aren't, anyone can add SmartTags. But MS controls the default tags. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:13:14 GMT In article 9gfgpe$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woofbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's *my* computer. How I choose to display your web page is none of your business. You supply the defaults, I supply the customization. I'm fine with that, as long as it's really you doing it. What I object to is Microsoft (or anyone else) supplying new informational content in the form of additional hyperlinks on my web site. By they aren't! They are supply a mechanism for the user to do it. And also supply a stock of smart tags, there is nothing wrong with this. Read up a little bit on copyright law--specifically with regard to fair use. Now, try to explain how Microsoft's butchering of someone's web page falls within fair use. -- From: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:15:05 GMT In article 9gfgp3$e45$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Macman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither Google nor anonymizer changes the _content_ of pages. If they start changing the content, then they should be stopped. Smart Tags do not change the *content* of pages, either. It just presents more navigation options to the individual user. For a web page, hyperlinks are part of the content. But it doesn't add hyperlinks. It adds tags which are functionally equivalent to hyperlinks. Even Microsoft refers to them as 'extended hyperlinks'. The bottom line is that Microsoft is adding content to web pages without the author's permission - regardless of whether you
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #34Mon, 7 May 01 13:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Edward Rosten) Re: Linux and MP3s (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (Chad Everett) Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MSspeech on OSS/GPL ( /. hates it so it's good)) (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux and MP3s (Greg Copeland) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Tom Wilson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Linux and MP3s (Mark Styles) Re: Linux and MP3s (Tom Wilson) Re: where's the linux performance? (Ian Pulsford) Re: where's the linux performance? (Jonathan Martindell) Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT Re: where's the linux performance? (Jonathan Martindell) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Aaron Ginn) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:51:54 +0100 Funny how the people who style themselves victims always want to bully everyone else. Always? Really? Diversity now means conformity. It means making sensible people afraid to contradict nonsense so obvious as to insult their intelligence. This is the only like in here I agree with. This PC sh*t has got to go. Making people afraid to speak their minds only makes things worse. Normal people find homosexuality, especially male homosexuality, repellent. Typical male sports-fan beer-drinking double standard. Two women homosexuals? Great! Two males? Yucky gross! I don't see the difference, personally. We're supposed to apologize for that? Our slang words for the anus, and their use as insults, express our disgust with the whole idea of anal sex. Apart from the personal defilement it involves, it's grossly unsanitary. Homosexual behavior != anal sex. Unrelated crap about pedophiles snipped. Chrisv, I have to admit that I agree with what you said here. -Ed -- You can't go wrong with psycho-rats. u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux and MP3s Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:52:17 -0400 Mark Styles wrote: Fellow advocates, I currently have my entire CD collection stored in MP3 format on a 30Gb hard drive in a Windows PC. Because I use that PC for other things, which sometimes interfere with the music, I've been busy building a new PC to be a dedicated 'jukebox' on our LAN. I've decided as an experiment to install Linux on the new PC to see how well it handles my musical needs. My question is, what applications should I use to emulate XingMP3 Player functionality? There are several. When you do the install, they'll be available on the appliations menu. If you put the drive with the MP3's in during installation, and leave it alone (with it's current formatting, etc.), then it will be mounted into the filesystem on your first boot-up. Also, will IDE be good enough, or should I invest in SCSI? -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #32 Sun, 18 Feb 01 18:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Net Resident")
Re: Andrew Leonard: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of free software" (root)
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Pop Quiz: Who made this statement 15 months ago? (Tim Hanson)
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? (Mig)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux ("Nigel")
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? (Mig)
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (mlw)
Re: The Windows guy. ("Nigel")
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (mlw)
Re: please help - modprobe cannot locate modules ("Adam Warner")
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Ziya Oz)
Re: Linux and QA (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: @Home cable? ("mmnnoo")
Re: Linux and QA (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Interesting article (Tim Hanson)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Craig Kelley)
Re: It's just too easy (mlw)
Re: @Home cable? (Tim Hanson)
Re: Joke of the day - from Microsoft (Craig Kelley)
Re: @Home cable? (Tim Hanson)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (John Hasler)
The Best Site OF Linux. In this site there are all on linux www.frecell.6go.net
("frecell")
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? (Ray Chason)
Re: please help - modprobe cannot locate modules (Craig Kelley)
From: "Net Resident" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:29:36 -0500
"Edward Rosten" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:96osbp$s0c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I'm just curious as to who is the most heavily killfiled person.
Here's my list:
Chad Meyers
Conrad Rutherford
G3
Jan Johanson
What ever happened to "Steve" with all his alias's, he seemed to be on most
peoples sh*t list a number of months ago.
--
From: root [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Andrew Leonard: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of free software"
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:23:40 GMT
Adam Warner wrote:
http://www.salon.com/tech/log/2001/02/15/unamerican/index.html
I knew Andrew would write about this ;-)
Adam
And when MS distributed their browser for free, then everybody
complained about it including Netscape. That was ok then, but it's not
ok now if MS complains about the free (well, at least in theory) Linux.
The only difference is the media and bunch of idiotic Linux advocates.
Take that and go pick some kiwi...
Divo
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From: "Edward Rosten" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:26:50 +
In article G5Xj6.114675$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Net
Resident" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Edward Rosten" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:96osbp$s0c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I'm just curious as to who is the most heavily killfiled person.
Here's my list:
Chad Meyers Conrad Rutherford G3 Jan Johanson
What ever happened to "Steve" with all his alias's, he seemed to be on
most peoples sh*t list a number of months ago.
She's now become flatfish
I quite liek flatfish and i think a lot of other people find her
entertaining too.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pop Quiz: Who made this statement 15 months ago?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:35:47 GMT
Adam Warner wrote:
Hi Edward,
"...we have been guided by the most basic American values: innovation,
integrity, serving customers, partnership, quality and giving to the
community. We compete vigorously, but fairly."
(Please don't enter the quotation into Google :-)
Adam
Billy?
Yep, great guess:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/trial/nov99/110599.asp
The entire sentence is:
"Microsoft has succeeded because we have been guided by the most basic
American values: innovation, integrity, serving customers, partnership,
quality and giving to the community. We compete vigorously, but fairly."
I found the statement kind of ironic. It was a response to District Court
Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson's findings of fact.
And they tie in so nicely with Microsoft saying that free software is
un-American.
&q
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #31Sat, 6 Jan 01 11:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: you dumb. and lazy. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why NT? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: rt18139.c ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Modems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM Hell (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux Modems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (Form@C)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux vs Microsoft ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: auto run ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: you dumb. and lazy.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:15:29 GMT
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 14:06:02 +1030, PoD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:07:48 GMT, "adam"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you are THAT upset about driving stick shift don't drive a sportscar...
I drive a 1996 Chevy Impala SS fully modified putting out somewhere in
^^
the neighborhood of 400HP.
So your car is as good as it is because it's Open Source.
No. My car is good because it has an industry standard engine that GM
for the most part has been making since the 1970's and as a result it
is supported by many quality aftermarket parts firms.
They know this engine is a money maker for them so they manufacturer
parts for it. How many aftermarket parts do you think you can find for
a 1986 BMW 730?
Just like Windows applications. The companies write applications for
the system that has market share and thus can bring them financial
rewards. This is a key reason why hardware drivers for Linux are
almost always an after thought of the manufacturer of the hardware.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RPM Hell
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:34:09 GMT
On 6 Jan 2001 07:30:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
wrote:
Look, KDE is the f*cking GUI for god's sake. Do you upgrade the Windows
GUI without an "operating system upgrade" ? The fact that Linux even gives
you flexibility to upgrade the GUI while leaving the rest of the
system untouched is a testimony to its power and flexibility.
Bullshit. The Penguinista's are constantly extolling the virtues of
Linux's package management over Windows Install shield. Tell the
person who runs kde, has all his applications launch from kde and may
or may not even know what a CLI is that kde is just the GUI. To him it
is his entire system.
What good is flexibility when the choices presented all suck?
I'd rather have one consistent and high quality UI like Windows or Mac
than have a collection of half done inconsistent UI's that don't even
interact well with each other.
The fact that you're not bright enough to do it properly is not Linux's
fault.
In my case I used the Mandrake update CD they were kind enough to send
me. Click on Live-Update in Drakconf and away it goes as per the
instructions. Restart kde and it is completely dead, as is X and just
about everything else.
So now what Einstein?
Hint: download the src.rpm packages and rebuild on your system,
or download packages that were built against your system. Duh!
Rebuild the system from scratch is more like it because it takes less
time to re-install.
So much for Linux's package management.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the to reply.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:38:53 GMT
Come on Aaron, how can you yourself make such statements when you have
already established you have no NT nor Windows 2000 experience?
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
JAR wrote:
mlw wrote:
With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
deploy NT.
Choose a typical box today, or one from a couple years ago
any box.
Not talking expensive hardware here. Now calculate the amount of
effort to Configure, Maintain and Install the OS. Duplicate that by
10,50,100+
. That's why NT was/still is the choice. The name of the
game is just how EZ is it? By far NT is. Also who you gonna
call/blame when all hell breaks loose, when it really matters?
That's just itall hell breaking loose.
With NT, it's a monthy occurance...on nearly EVERY machine.
meanwhile on Unix/Linux machines, a machine will go full DECADE without
"all hell breaking loose" ...which is to say...longer than it's usuf
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #29 Sun, 24 Sep 00 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("PistolGrip")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (David M. Butler)
design (Richard)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("George")
Re: Insight ("PistolGrip")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT ("PistolGrip")
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Bryant Brandon)
Re: Unix more secure, huh? (sfcybear)
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. (Lee Reynolds)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? ("Bruce
Malmat")
Re: Linux in Manufacturing, any case studies? (Jacques Guy)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 00:02:09 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:34:47 GMT, STATIC66 wrote:
What do you mean by "lousy results" ? The kids in public schools probably
aren't as good on average, so using things like SAT scores as a measure
is not terribly meaningful.
I would argue that using the test scores might actually work more to
your favor than his point.
COuldn't care less to be honeset. Test scores aren't that reliable. I
still think that the self-selection issue will make the private school
kids better on average, which means that the outgoing population will
be brighter.
One thing I keep iterating is the fact that you need to compare incoming
and outgoing populations to properly compare two education systems. It
makes little sense to compare a school of child rocket scientists to the
average school and "prove" that one school is better on the grounds
that the smarter group are better at the end, since they'd come out
better even if you locked them in a dungeon for 6 years.
Where I live They have instituted a computer based learning program,
which has for their statistical averages raised grade level
reading/math from almost a year below grade level to a 2 3/4 above
grade level reading/math in two years.
Do you live in Texas by any chance ? Teach to the TAAS ! TEach to the TAAS !
Yet they tout the numbers at every available opportunity.
Sounds like TX ...
The truth is that the public schools are being used for entirely too
much social experimentation,and environmental leftist propaganda. I
see it every day first hand. My wife and I are discussing sending the
kids to a private school it is so bad.
I spent a year in an American public school and so did my brother and
sister. I didn't see any such thing.
My son is actually taught NOT to stand up for himself when bullied.(at
the school) When he was telling us about an incident at school and I
told him to stand up to the bully, he broke down and cried because he
said he would "get into big trouble at school"..
Well, this wasn't my experience when I was at school in the US. At my
school, the teachers tended to enforce the rules quickly. IMO "harsh
discipline" is nowhere near as effective as "swift discipline".
My experience was that disruptive students were removed from the class
rrom until they learned to behave themselves.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 00:07:17 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:42:35 GMT, STATIC66 wrote:
On 25 Aug 2000 16:55:12 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:30:58 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
2. Defense Expenditures
Legitimate spending...Constitutionally MANDATED, in fact.
But the constitution doesn't say anything about "how much". For example,
it would be difficult to argue that cutting the defence budget by 90%
is "unconstitutional.
90%?? what kind of pinko are you ??
Don't be silly. I'm not advocating this. I'm just pointing out that
the constitutional mandate for defence spending is qualitative, and
not quantitative.
Clinton has decimated our military strength and moral (I saw it first
hand). it can't take anymore. Make no mistake about it, it protects
YOUR freedoms..
No it doesn't. I'm not a US citizen.
3. Social Security
Unconstitutional. END IT NOW.
Based on what
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #27 Sat, 24 Jun 00 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
Re: Windows, Easy to Use? ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux (Jeff
Szarka)
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux (Jeff
Szarka)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Bob Hauck)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft Ruling
Too Harsh ("salvador peralta")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron Kulkis)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: 24 Jun 2000 03:23:55 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Bob Hauck bobh{at}haucks{dot}org wrote:
On 23 Jun 2000 18:39:14 GMT, Henry Blaskowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At this point, there is enough history of gov't intervention into
free markets to conclude that interference=bad,
Really? It must really suck to live in Scandinavia then. Except by
all accounts it doesn't. Most of the Pacific Rim governments have been
very interventionist and until fairly recently they were held up as
models of capitalist success. I can think of other examples if you
want to play that game.
Actually, interventionism is good for some things, such as natural
monopolies and stuff that is difficult to price, such as basic research.
For instance, the large majority of general-access roads that were build
in the 20th cy. were built by government agencies. And land for them is
generally acquired with the help of Eminent Domain, which is not usually
considered an intolerable affront on property rights, something on the
level of Stalin's collectivization of farms. I like to describe that
situation by saying that we have socialist roads.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows, Easy to Use?
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:24:13 -0500
Brian Langenberger wrote:
Even if we ignore Windows' lack of robustness, the GUI itself remains
difficult to use on a daily basis for a variety of reasons that are
not easily remedied.
First is the bar.
As in "FuBar" ?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:23:09 -0400
On 22 Jun 2000 22:03:18 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
I don't care what they did. Mandrake 7 would not install on my system
unless I used the expert install mode. This data makes it clear... you
must be an expert to install Linux.
Since you've known the solution all along, why even mention
the problem? And how do you like Mandrake 7.1?
Since a system with 1 video card and 1 NIC cannot even seem to install
properly much less my main system with tons of stuff.
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From: Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:23:37 -0400
On 24 Jun 2000 08:23:23 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry
Porter) wrote:
Well that must make my 17 year old son a "expert".
17 year olds have lots of time to read How-To files.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:06:59 GMT
On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:07:13 GMT, MK
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:40:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
wrote:
1. The author starts with the premise that "social choice" is the
correct economic theory to use to evaluate anti-trust laws.
Public choice, IIRC.
Yes, I corrected that in a followup.
According to the article, this theory assumes that government action
is driven by whichever interest groups have access to the g
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295
Linux-Advocacy Digest #295, Volume #26 Fri, 28 Apr 00 13:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: which OS is best? (Leslie Mikesell) Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH) Re: KDE is better than Gnome (JEDIDIAH) Re: KDE is better than Gnome (JEDIDIAH) Re: KDE is better than Gnome (JEDIDIAH) Re: Linux from a Windows perspective (JEDIDIAH) Re: i cant blieve you people!! (david raoul derbes) Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? (JEDIDIAH) Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat (aflinsch) Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Craig Kelley) Re: So what is wrong with X? (Craig Kelley) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh Subject: Re: which OS is best? Date: 28 Apr 2000 11:06:33 -0500 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing, why is it that windows can't seem to deal with postscript files, under linux, there's ghost script and the like, all set up and easy as click to use, from the command line or gui. Sure, I can go to the effort of grabbing GS and GV for windows, but why doesn't it come with something similar? You'd have to tell me what those are before I can tell you what NT does in their place. Ghostscript is a postscript interpreter, very versatile, knows pdf and ps and a lot more. GV is the X-frontend for GS and its not NT, 95 You'd have to tell me why I'd need that, given that NT puts the PS interpreter in the driver. I suspect that he wants to read/preview PS files on the screen and have the ability to print them on non-postscript printers. GS/GV will do that under windows as well, but it could have been a native capability. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:16:11 GMT On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:14:32 GMT, Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Mike Marion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I don't think they were necessarily "at fault" for the lack of options when it comes to pricing. The market is such that people really only saw two choices: A PC or a Mac. A PC has historically only been available with one company's OS installed: MS. The fact that MS used bully tactics to make sure OEMs only sold windows so that it was either all you could get, or what you had to pay for then also pay for the OS you really wanted is clearly "their fault," but we are seeing a change in this due to Linux pre-installs today. Though that percentage is very small. We could run in circles discussing this issue. MS was able to use those tactics because everybody wanted to sell their products, under a favorable IOW, they were the biggest player. Selling their stuff was most profitable. That's far different from being able to claim that NO ONE wanted to buy DRDOS. Oddly enough, all the serious DOS users I knew at that time weren't using msdog but something a bit more powerful. Doubledos and Desqview seemed quite popular with the SysOp crowd. term, which means incresed profit for the OEMs. They were/are competing with each other and did things on the voluntary basis. OEMs are as much at fault ...this is a contradiction. They didn't do things on a voluntary basis. You've admitted this yourself. They were slaves to their own business goals. If a competitor could get an edge by acquiring the 'free OS' for cheap, then their contemporaries would likely have to follow suit in order to remain price competitive. This only establishes what was cheapest for an OEM to shovel at their customer, not what was better. in this as Microsoft. Even now some of the OEMs would not sell you a PC with OS other than Windows. Some of them started to sell Linux pre-installed and then there are Linux companies where you can't get a Windows PC. ...exclusive contracts, built on potentially punitive price discrimitation. DR-DOS was a product that, at the time, was technically better, and it was priced about the same IIRC. However MS kept any OEMs from selling it, and even had that inital code in win3.? that would make it complain/not run under DR-DOS (which they had to change). That's definately "their fault." That was only in Beta code and was disabled in the released version. Don't you think that MS had right to do so? Why should they tested Win3.x unders DR-DOS? Nope. What they did was clear defamation. They could have left well enough alone if they really wanted to. However, they didn't do that. They specifically sought out
