Linux-Advocacy Digest #397
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397, Volume #34 Thu, 10 May 01 16:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: where's the linux performance? (Greg Copeland) Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (Edward Rosten) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Re: where's the linux performance? (Greg Copeland) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal) Re: No More Linux! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Microsoft Windows for Linux (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Stefaan A Eeckels) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Neil Cerutti) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Nigel Feltham) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) Re: Homosexuality=suicide (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: VM Ware performance? (Nigel Feltham) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (.) Subject: Re: where's the linux performance? From: Greg Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10 May 2001 13:48:48 -0500 Actually, that's not true either. Most JVMs that I've seen offer what is being called green and black(?) threads. One uses the native OS's thread implementation, while the other uses a user space implementation. Again, this is an issue of the quality of JVM implementation first and foremost. Once the implementation, and in fact, the running instance of the JVM is determined, only then can other factors begin to assert them- selves. For the record, in case you don't know, user space threads are not going to scale nearly as well as a natively threaded implementation, especially on a highly loaded system. In a nut shell, if the JVM is crap, it doesn't matter what platform it sits on. Period. It's like saying that my dog's doo is better than your dog's doo because my is on my Porche while yours is on a Jag. It doesn't matter. Dog poo is dog poo. Period. Greg p@r [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg says... I would guess that the OS has little to nothing to do with the performance of a JVM, rather, the bulk of the responsibility squarely falls on the JVM implementor's shoulders. Pretty much, except when it comes to issues such as threads. The VM uses the threading mehanism on the OS. If that is broke the VM will not behave well. -- Greg Copeland, Principal Consultant Copeland Computer Consulting == PGP/GPG Key at http://www.keyserver.net DE5E 6F1D 0B51 6758 A5D7 7DFE D785 A386 BD11 4FCD == -- From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:50:20 +0100 People who GPL libraries should have their toenails slowly peeled off with red-hot tongs by a cackling black-hooded torturer in a medaeval dungeon. Or be forced to use the latest version of VB... (Bwahahahaha!) If you are talking about the *latest* version of VB, it's VB.NET, which isn't bad at all. Similar to C# in its capabilities. Well, OK, VB.NET _can_ do anything since it is turing complete but... some of us don't like BASIC :-) As well as haing to program in VB, they have to write the code in Word. Been there, done that, not so bad. Try writing a program using edlin. Now *that* is a challange. Been there, done that :-) My old school had a bunch of 8086 (and 80186) RM Nimbus machines with dos 3. I wrote all my DOS batch files in edlin. They also had BBC emulators. The standard method of programming was to use AU. (AUTO). The closest analogue to this is typing a program using cat -n -Ed -- You can't go wrong with psycho-rats. u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:51:39 GMT On Thu, 10 May 2001 18:37:59 +0100, Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Why aren't you using PAN instead of Agent? Because I use Agent, not PAN. Guffaw. OK, why are you using a Windows application (which you despise?) instead of a Linux equivalent (which you think is wonderful?). Titter. You beat me to it :) flatfish -- Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:51:50 GMT Aaron R Kulkis
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397, Volume #32 Thu, 22 Feb 01 00:13:06 EST Contents: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Allchin backtracks, now likes open source (T. Max Devlin) Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? (Tim Hanson) Re: Allchin backtracks, now likes open source (T. Max Devlin) Re: VA Linux cuts 25 per cent of staff, sees 212% increase in revenue (Aaron Kulkis) Re: Allchin backtracks, now likes open source (T. Max Devlin) Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis) Re: How much does it take to make sound work in linux?? (Bloody Viking) Re: Allchin backtracks, now likes open source (T. Max Devlin) Re: What do I do with a Windows partition? (Bloody Viking) Re: Net Chads (T. Max Devlin) From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:21:51 -0500 Sam Morris wrote: The .sig does *NOT* antagonize them into flaming me. Quite the opposite...by documenting their behavior, it takes all the fun away from them. All it does is cancel out the effect of the remaining 12 people who sill only post links to newsgroups rather than attaching binaries. non-sequitor. These people save bandwidth. You waste it. Meanwhile, you still haven't justified the petty attacks. False premise. Describing the modious operendi of these habitual flamers is *NOT* a petty attack. Illogical, given that these "habitual flamers" never actually seem to reply to you. I doubt it's because of your .sig's mystical powers of deterrance. Your .sig *IS* full of petty attacks, and you didn't reply to the fact that you waste bandwidth. Give it up, you're starting to sound like Tholen's siamese twin. Nice dodge. No, no, that won't do. You're supposed to argue that you don't even have a twin, let alone one that was born in Siam...and that furthermore, Siam no longer exists. -- Cheers, Sam "All your base are belong to us" - Cats -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people" I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, A: The wise man is mocked by fools. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. G: Knackos...you're a retard. -- From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:22:48 -0500 "J.B Moreno" wrote: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignoring savage insults and accusations implies to the observer that that insults and accusations are true. Except on usenet where it implies that you have a decent newsreader. Only to those who are aware of what a decent newsreader is. -- JBM "Moebius strippers only show you their back side." -- Unknown -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premise
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397, Volume #30 Fri, 24 Nov 00 15:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Curtis)
Re: Linux trips over itself once again (Jose Mirles)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Stuart Fox)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Curtis)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Curtis)
Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT registry... (was Re:
The Sixth Sense) (Curtis)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Curtis)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Curtis)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Sigvaldi Eggertson)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (mark)
Re: And yet another satisfied Linux user. (mark)
Re: Windows SUX (Glitch)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
From: Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:48:37 -0500
T. Max Devlin wrote...
Said Curtis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 24 Nov 2000 09:04:17 -0500;
Ayende Rahien wrote...
And so now suddenly you're suggesting that others should give a shit
about languages they don't use, even though you just said previously
that you see no reason to do that yourself.
They shouldn't, they give shit about what *they* are using.
Got that?
That's the practical approach. Why should I care that Windows supports
Japanese? If it does, good for the Japanese, but I don't really care.
It's for MS to care since they wish to market their OS to the Japanese.
Now if only MS marketed their product (as in, presented it to a free
market), you're ideas might make sense. They monopolize; they don't
market.
What the hell does that have to do with their supporting language X or
not?
There is a cost/benefit analysis that goes in to including
support for a language.
Yes. We all know that.
Ayende's "most people don't speak English"
loses some of its punch when you recognize that *most* people do, in
fact, use one or more of a very small handful of languages. Microsoft's
'carpet-bombing' approach is obviously keyed towards removing any reason
to avoid the software, rather than providing any actual profitable
value.
Haha. Neat! :=) A nicely paranoid statement. You take this a step too
far. Are you saying it's not profitable for them to support all these
languages?
The same goes for the OS features. I only care about the features I wish
to use and how they're implemented. I couldn't care less about the
features a sysadmin would need. That's for MS and the sysadmins to care
about.
Well, then I presume that means you don't care about any features,
You presume too much wise guy ...
because these are *personal computers*, and there is no real difference
between 'sysadmin' and 'user'.
In the context I meant, oh yes they are. I will not however try to
elaborate because you'll only play difficult since it suites your
vitriolic arguments.
I guess if I said Linux is OSS while PGP is not, you'd say no to that
right? ;=)
Unless you're in a professional
environment, in which case you don't make any choices, so your point is,
again, moot.
I agree on that, but that's not what I'm referring to. A large portion of
PC's in use are not used in a professional environment where they are
maintained and administered by trained professionals.
Considering the ideas you've presented here, I'd say your
best choice would be a Mac.
Nope. My best choice is Win2k at present. You don't know what I need,
therefore you cannot make my choice. Would you please stop making these
assumptions about what I think and what I need. You're doing terribly. Is
this your level of performance with respect to what you think people need
after 12 years studying this?
Treated in this kind of hopelessly over-simplified way, you have a
choice to present a clear ethical underpinning to your thinking, or
become deluded into thinking that monopolization is "just" doing
business.
My arguments have nothing to do with monopolizing perse. But since you're
so fixated to an almost pathologic level with MS and their monopolizing,
you tend to twist any argument with the word Microsoft in it, into one of
defending the fact that they don't monopolize. I agree that they
monopolize OK? There's no need to build the strawman.
It is not. That last bit, btw, where you indicated that a
customer has a different perspective than wanting to meet their needs or
preferences, doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Read again. A customer will buy what suites their needs to the best
of their ability. Now PLEASE . this is not about MS alone. This is a
general statement. Pleas
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397, Volume #29Mon, 2 Oct 00 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux RedHat 7.0 or Win2000? (Bartek Kostrzewa)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (Roberto Alsina)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("kosh")
Re: Win2K (.)
Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (Roberto Alsina)
Re: The real issue (Kolbjørn S. Brønnick)
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:17:47 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joe R.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hillary Clinton goes into a restaurant for the first time on her own and
doesn't tip a waitress.
Cry me a river. If welfare recipients are not owed a living, then
neither are waitresses.
Waitresses are working
Welfare scum are parasitic leaches.
The whole point of the incident was that, for all of her PROFESSED
concerned
for "the working poor", Hillery outed herself as a typical hypocrite.
Travel office employees fired lock, stock, and barrel for having
different political views.
Cry me a river. This is a blatantly anti-employer statement, since
it suggests that employers' freedom of action ought to be drastically
limited. In fact, I'm surprised that employers are not summarily
purging their employees for being so anti-employer. And maintaining a
blacklist of disrespectful would-be employees.
You have a right to fire employees.
You do NOT have a right to have them brought up on trumped-up charges.
Sexual abuse of interns.
Cry me a river.
Truth hurts, doesn't it.
Using the IRS as an attack dog against those you don't agree with.
Cry me a river. All this whining about the IRS is the immaturity of
those who discover that they have all these bills that they have to pay
when they move out of their parents' house.
Demonstrates that government officials are NOT to be trusted.
If you are young and not against taxes, you have no heart.
If you are old and unwilling to accept taxes, you have no brain.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:19:44 +0200
From: Bartek Kostrzewa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux RedHat 7.0 or Win2000?
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
Today I tried to upgrade Linux RH 6.0 to Linux RH 7.0.
Already from the beginning I couldn't use GUI mode (the screen was
full with overwritten picture), so I switched to text mode.
Upgrade was very smoot, except that when it start in KDE, GUI is
unreadable again. Just a big mess on the screen.
Someone have an idea how to start Linux without X-Win?
Zalek
At bootup type linux 3 when LILO gives you the prompt, or linux single,
then switch to mode 3
--
Best regards,
Bartek Kostrzewa - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://technoage.web.lu
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #397, Volume #27 Thu, 29 Jun 00 20:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (phil hunt)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale" (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Win32 core instability (Andy Newman)
Re: You Should Not Treat Linux Like M$ Windows
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98) (Aaron Kulkis)
Uptime 6 months and counting.
Re: Windows98 (Steve Mading)
Re: How fast is your text? ("Joe Kiser")
Re: Windows98
Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity (sandrews)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Tim Palmer)
Re: What UNIX is good for. (Tim Palmer)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Tim Palmer)
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98) (Tim Palmer)
Re: Linux is junk (Tim Palmer)
Re: What UNIX is good for.
Re: What UNIX is good for. ("Colin R. Day")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:43:12 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24 Jun 2000 11:27:20 +0100, Phillip Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My own views which would
have been considered to be a blend 20 years ago, are now considered to
be hard line left. My views are as right (or as wrong) now as they
have ever been,
Not necessarily. A good policy in one circumstance can be a bad policy in
another.
--
* Phil Hunt * send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
* phone 07720 644417 or 0208 679 3896 *
Moore's Law: hardware speed doubles every 18 months
Gates' Law: software speed halves every 18 months
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: 29 Jun 2000 17:17:21 -0500
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
John Wiltshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, say for a minute you know nothing of PCL. You just get
ghostscript drivers and dvi drivers. Printer still works and you
don't care if it is PCL, raster pixmap or some other proprietary
protocol - the dvi and ghostscript drivers cover that. Oops! That's
EXACTLY how "Winprinters" work, except in this case I guess it would
be a "Linprinter".
Not quite. Winprinters work because someone provided a
black-box driver that, if you are lucky will work with
a certain version of a certain OS which might be the
one you use today. PCL and other printers with documented
control codes work because anyone can write a driver
for any OS and graphics abstraction. It you think
there is anything EXACTLY the same about those situations
it is pure coincidence.
Next, if that protocol was compact enough to reduce the load on the
CPU and increase the PPM count, or alternatively, to trade PPM and
cost of hardware for CPU loading, there is distinct value in the
protocol and possibly sufficient reason for the manufacturer to close
the protocol to prevent the competition from gaining from their
research and trials.
Note that closing the protocol by itself reduces value to
the customer, except in the coincidental case above which
may be a very short term situation.
You couldn't have described my argument better. Thanks again for
taking the bait.
Be sure to include dates and version numbers in your argument. It
won't always be true.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale"
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:12:56 GMT
In article 8jfbc4$ovd$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Martin Fitzpatrick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having lurked in this group, I have seen a number
of posts from people who
seem to have installed Linux without
realising the cost/benefit map of the
situation. I have therefore comiled
the following "Furniture Scale" as a
guide to determine whether Linux is
likely to be useful to a given person.
Please answer the following multiple choice question.
When you have procured furniture in the past, have you -
a) Only ever bought fully pre-built furniture ?
- Aviod Linux like the plague.
Avoid Linux installation, yes. Avoid Linux, maybe not.
Get yourself a fully pre-built PC with all
software fully installed by the supplier.
You should probably also look into
a helpline service. Consider getting a Mac.
If you'd still like to play with Linux, get a machine from
VA Research, IBM, or Dell, all of whom offer Desktops and Laptops
with Linux preinstalled and fully preconfigured with hardware
that is certified to be compatible with a number of Linux
distributions.
You aren't qualified to run a serve
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397
Linux-Advocacy Digest #397, Volume #26Sun, 7 May 00 15:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Built in Virus Scanners! ("Mike")
Re: Built in Virus Scanners! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: computer viruses on LINUX (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Built in Virus Scanners! ("Mike")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! ("Rich C")
Let's POLL! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! (mlw)
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: This is Bullsh^%T!!! (Bart Oldeman)
Re: computer viruses on LINUX (John McKown)
From: "Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Built in Virus Scanners!
Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:52:21 GMT
"abraxas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8f44sk$1qd2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[... long incoherent screed unceremoniously snipped ...]
Do so without fear of viruses as the basic
structure of Linux doesn't allow installation nor execution of
programs without the prior approval of root on my system. Root has to
be involved before a program is installed or declared runnable in my
user account.
Get real, Charlie. I'm supposed to call a sysadmin before I can run a
simple
script?
If you're a windows user, absolutely. As has been proven repeatedly by
the
virus infestation of your brood, you cannot be trusted with computers.
You
should have to get permission from your administrator before you tie your
shoes in the morning.
You noticed, of course, that Charlie is advising this as SOP for _Unix_
systems? And that this is what makes Unix better than NT?
-- Mike --
--
From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Built in Virus Scanners!
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:54:38 GMT
Original Message
On 5/7/00, 10:52:21 AM, "Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re:=20
Built in Virus Scanners!:
"abraxas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8f44sk$1qd2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Charlie Ebert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[... long incoherent screed unceremoniously snipped ...]
Do so without fear of viruses as the basic
structure of Linux doesn't allow installation nor execution of
programs without the prior approval of root on my system. Root h=
as=20
to
be involved before a program is installed or declared runnable in=
my
user account.
Get real, Charlie. I'm supposed to call a sysadmin before I can ru=
n a
simple
script?
If you're a windows user, absolutely. As has been proven repeatedly=
=20
by
the
virus infestation of your brood, you cannot be trusted with computer=
s.
You
should have to get permission from your administrator before you tie=
=20
your
shoes in the morning.
You noticed, of course, that Charlie is advising this as SOP for=20
_Unix_
systems? And that this is what makes Unix better than NT?
-- Mike \
No yttrx said this, I didn't Mike. Your getting confused.
I only type what has MY e-mail address on it.
Charlie
--
From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: computer viruses on LINUX
Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 16:56:49 GMT
Original Message
On 5/7/00, 10:43:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MerefBast) wrote regarding=20
computer viruses on LINUX:
Hi. I am looking for information to compare the susceptibility of=20
various
operating systems to computer viruses.
I am particularly interested in references for factual information =
about the
kinds, nature, and number of security holes, as well as the number of =
actual
viruses, worms, and Trojan Horses for each operating system.
A copy of the information to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be=20
appreciated.
Thanks
Okay, here's some information for you.
If you use Linux, you'll probably NEVER suffer from a virus as that OS=20
was designed
by some fairly intelligent people.
If you use Microsoft for your operating system what happens to you is=20
similar to using
your butt for a gun holster! You end up shooting your butt off.
Thanks for writing.
Charlie
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From: "Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Built in Virus Scanners!
Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 17:08:54 GMT
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On 5/7/00, 9:41:08 AM, "Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re:
Built in Virus Scanners!:
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