Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Am 29.12.2009 19:27, schrieb Arnold Krille: On Tuesday 29 December 2009 17:35:30 Peter Nelson wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:57 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: So hold your horses, something's up. Where? Here: http://calf.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=calf/calf;a=tree;f=gui;h b=20a7d0fb06da3c6c48738e4521f24700c5adaf01 And someone leaked this: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png 5/5 :O Very shiny. However, pretty useless as far as screen real-estate goes. 100 or so pixels either side for 'screws' is not necessary either. And pixel-based guis are _so_ last century. fyi, the calf uis are still scaleable. Stefan When you want good guis, that is usable and scalable and good looking, its not about doing in gui what you do in gimp, but doing in gui what you do in inkscape... Arnold ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
2009/12/29 Arnold Krille arn...@arnoldarts.de: Very shiny. However, pretty useless as far as screen real-estate goes. 100 or so pixels either side for 'screws' is not necessary either. And pixel-based guis are _so_ last century. When you want good guis, that is usable and scalable and good looking, its not about doing in gui what you do in gimp, but doing in gui what you do in inkscape... I disagree. 1. rendering complex SVGs can be very time-consuming 2. scaled SVG can look worse than scaled px graphics (depends on design, renderer) 3. some graphic-effects cannot (yet) be achieved with vector graphics (think of all the gimp plugins..., photo realism) SVG has benefits for some areas, but it is not a replacement for pixel art. Two can have different opinions about a certain design, but should not be against design as a process of thinking about beauty, attraction and usability. Even the CML is a kind of design, if you want to see it as that... neither the worst, nor the best. In software, usability has priority over beauty (usually). IMO, the screws are totally acceptable here, as design elements, since they don't prevent usability nor introduce optical overload. Possible interpretation: The screws add imaginary value, by offering the user something known, real, by pretending materiality. If we only did the necessary, our world would look poor -- ? -- E.R. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Basically every toolkit out there has widgets fader, button, knob.
So one you usually only has to reimplement the paint method in order to
change the appearance or write a different style.
If you prefer a toolkit independent gui library you could use my stripped
down version of the vstgui lib, which uses cairo as the drawing backend.
Together with skinman and knobman, the two widely used windows programs
for generating nice vst guis (running fine in wine) you have basically
the same
toolchain as the windows vst devs.
Drumfix
PS: Linux Vst developers, please write VST compliant code.
The interface of effEditOpen is effEditOpen(void *), not
effEditOpen(void *, void *)
i.o.w hosts should send a pointer to a struct {Display *d; Window w;} in
(ptr) instead
of Display * (val) and Window (ptr)
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Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Aside from that, we have to forget about everything that has anything to do with GTK+. None of what you look forward to is even remotely possible with the examples and advice given so far (I mean just one look at libphat is..urghhh just another gtk design). Flashy and elegant is Qt's forte, because LMMS has done it. Your resulting app can be simple, good-looking, skinnable. There's EFL, but no-one knows whether it's even usable for multimedia. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:05:01PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: Aside from that, we have to forget about everything that has anything to do with GTK+. None of what you look forward to is even remotely possible with the examples and advice given so far (I mean just one look at libphat is..urghhh just another gtk design). Flashy and elegant is Qt's forte, because LMMS has done it. Your resulting app can be simple, good-looking, skinnable. There's EFL, but no-one knows whether it's even usable for multimedia. what is this ? gui flamewars ? idiots. -- torben Hohn ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
2009/12/29 torbenh torb...@gmx.de: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:05:01PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: Aside from that, we have to forget about everything that has anything to do with GTK+. None of what you look forward to is even remotely possible with the examples and advice given so far (I mean just one look at libphat is..urghhh just another gtk design). Flashy and elegant is Qt's forte, because LMMS has done it. Your resulting app can be simple, good-looking, skinnable. There's EFL, but no-one knows whether it's even usable for multimedia. what is this ? gui flamewars ? idiots. No Torben, that included a comparison because I noted what the poster was looking for. Nothing more, nothing less. The poster is educated, so we should have no problems with flamewars. Sorry if it sounded as such, will use better phrasing next time. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Actually, there is no need to label any discussion a flame war. I see no aggression here, in fact, how else one would know what other people think. It is interesting and also helpful to see different opinions. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Ray Rashif schivmeis...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/29 torbenh torb...@gmx.de: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 05:05:01PM +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: Aside from that, we have to forget about everything that has anything to do with GTK+. None of what you look forward to is even remotely possible with the examples and advice given so far (I mean just one look at libphat is..urghhh just another gtk design). Flashy and elegant is Qt's forte, because LMMS has done it. Your resulting app can be simple, good-looking, skinnable. There's EFL, but no-one knows whether it's even usable for multimedia. what is this ? gui flamewars ? idiots. No Torben, that included a comparison because I noted what the poster was looking for. Nothing more, nothing less. The poster is educated, so we should have no problems with flamewars. Sorry if it sounded as such, will use better phrasing next time. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, torbenh wrote: what is this ? gui flamewars ? idiots. So, I must ask for permission to the high priests before naming my library, but you can freely insult to everybody not sharing your faith ? BTW, many applications made with GTK are ugly for my taste, and I have also technical complains against it. Regards, Pedro ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
2009/12/29 Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas pedro.lopez.cabanil...@gmail.com: On Tuesday, December 29, 2009, torbenh wrote: what is this ? gui flamewars ? idiots. So, I must ask for permission to the high priests before naming my library, but you can freely insult to everybody not sharing your faith ? BTW, many applications made with GTK are ugly for my taste, and I have also technical complains against it. Qt has some technical shortcomings as well, but the author doesn't intend to discuss anything other than appearance from what I can understand. So hold your horses, something's up. Where? Here: http://calf.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=calf/calf;a=tree;f=gui;hb=20a7d0fb06da3c6c48738e4521f24700c5adaf01 And someone leaked this: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png 5/5 :O -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:57 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: So hold your horses, something's up. Where? Here: http://calf.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=calf/calf;a=tree;f=gui;hb=20a7d0fb06da3c6c48738e4521f24700c5adaf01 And someone leaked this: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png 5/5 :O Very shiny. However, pretty useless as far as screen real-estate goes. 100 or so pixels either side for 'screws' is not necessary either. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Tuesday 29 December 2009 17:35:30 Peter Nelson wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:57 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: So hold your horses, something's up. Where? Here: http://calf.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=calf/calf;a=tree;f=gui;h b=20a7d0fb06da3c6c48738e4521f24700c5adaf01 And someone leaked this: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png 5/5 :O Very shiny. However, pretty useless as far as screen real-estate goes. 100 or so pixels either side for 'screws' is not necessary either. And pixel-based guis are _so_ last century. When you want good guis, that is usable and scalable and good looking, its not about doing in gui what you do in gimp, but doing in gui what you do in inkscape... Arnold signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Tuesday 29 December 2009, Peter Nelson wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:57 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: So hold your horses, something's up. Where? Here: http://calf.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=calf/calf;a=tree;f=gui;h b=20a7d0fb06da3c6c48738e4521f24700c5adaf01 And someone leaked this: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png 5/5 :O Very shiny. However, pretty useless as far as screen real-estate goes. 100 or so pixels either side for 'screws' is not necessary either. On a crowded audio workstation screen, the attempt at a 4/3 ratio for the curve display seems to be a bit of overfill too. So I agree with the screws comment, real estate for the vitals only please. I would rather see that curve section shrink 50 pixels in favor of making that row of teeny knobs easier to grab. Or better yet make them horizontal sliders. But I do have to admit its 'purty' , very nice imagery, so congratulations on the composition. ;) -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) When a fly lands on the ceiling, does it do a half roll or a half loop? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
2009/12/30 Arnold Krille arn...@arnoldarts.de: On Tuesday 29 December 2009 17:35:30 Peter Nelson wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:57 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: So hold your horses, something's up. Where? Here: http://calf.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=calf/calf;a=tree;f=gui;h b=20a7d0fb06da3c6c48738e4521f24700c5adaf01 And someone leaked this: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png 5/5 :O Very shiny. However, pretty useless as far as screen real-estate goes. 100 or so pixels either side for 'screws' is not necessary either. I guess this is where it becomes personal preference. Although I'm short on real estate myself on a 1280x800, design is where I make an exception, especially when a GUI is trying to represent a particular physical gear. And pixel-based guis are _so_ last century. When you want good guis, that is usable and scalable and good looking, its not about doing in gui what you do in gimp, but doing in gui what you do in inkscape... Definitely, I would love to see that practised en masse. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] GUI for audio application
Hi all, I'm a junior developer, interested in GUI developing (and looking for a job hehe) I wanna put your attention to the state of audio application GUIs under Linux. We have many toolkits to develop a GUI, but none that allows the user to say: Damn, that's cool! I mean, all of you know the LinuxDSP audio plugins, they have a GUI that cause a Damn, that's cool! but that isn't free software. Another example is libphat, but it's all but a Damn, it's cool. What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of audio widget that will be: Simple, Good Looking, Skinable? I'm interested, if there's anyone, let me know. I'm free to talk about it. -- Carlo Ascani La politica pratica consiste nell'ignorare i fatti. (Henry Adams) C programmers never die. They are just cast into void. - cell: 320 2915799 http://gnufunk.org/~carloratm ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Carlo Ascani carlo.r...@gmail.com writes: What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of audio widget that will be: Simple, Good Looking, Skinable? Please add accessible to your list of requirements to not leave disabled people who require assistive technologies behind, thanks. -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ | Debian Developer URL:http://debian.org/ .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang/k...@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- URL:http://delysid.org/ URL:http://www.staff.tugraz.at/mlang/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Carlo Ascani wrote: Hi all, I'm a junior developer, interested in GUI developing (and looking for a job hehe) I wanna put your attention to the state of audio application GUIs under Linux. We have many toolkits to develop a GUI, but none that allows the user to say: Damn, that's cool! I mean, all of you know the LinuxDSP audio plugins, they have a GUI that cause a Damn, that's cool! but that isn't free software. Another example is libphat, but it's all but a Damn, it's cool. What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of audio widget that will be: Simple, Good Looking, Skinable? I'm interested, if there's anyone, let me know. I'm free to talk about it. I disagree. I like a clean style, e.g. the one of Qtractor much more than flashy designs, because I can rule it's look. Whereas I do agree, that a call for more desktop environment themes is something we need. It would be good, if we could choose different themes for different applications. Even if I'm not a fan of applications that ignore the theme I chose, at the moment I'm glad that some do, because different outfits make it easy to discern different apps, with similar functionality. To be honest, I like the look of some apps that come with their own style, but on the whole, clean themes taken over from the desktop environment's theme will avoid that the display looks like a funfair, with it's grotesque sensory overload. 2 cents, Ralf ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
2009/12/28 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: I disagree. I like a clean style, e.g. the one of Qtractor much more than flashy designs, because I can rule it's look. Whereas I do agree, that a call for more desktop environment themes is something we need. It would be good, if we could choose different themes for different applications. Even if I'm not a fan of applications that ignore the theme I chose, at the moment I'm glad that some do, because different outfits make it easy to discern different apps, with similar functionality. To be honest, I like the look of some apps that come with their own style, but on the whole, clean themes taken over from the desktop environment's theme will avoid that the display looks like a funfair, with it's grotesque sensory overload. 2 cents, Ralf Ok it could be true, forget about flashy GUIs, for a moment. I feel the absence of a solid Audio Widget Library, it doesn't mind if it's in Gtk, Qt, EFL, skinable, fancy etc... A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of course accessible. A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a library, to be a point to start for junior devs like me. Not a library for a specific application, a general library to provides that simple controls. I know that libphat exists, but i've found it weird, i'm sorry. If someone knows some library or want to write a new one is welcome, i will help as much as possible. Cheers -- Carlo Ascani La politica pratica consiste nell'ignorare i fatti. (Henry Adams) C programmers never die. They are just cast into void. - cell: 320 2915799 http://gnufunk.org/~carloratm ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:11:44PM +0100, Carlo Ascani wrote: A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of course accessible. Ah, libprolooks. I guess it could use some updates from CALF again, so try to get hold of hansfbaier or kfoltman (both hang around in #lad on freenode) A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a I agree with almost everything except the vumeter. They are for analog equipment, but we're talking digital domain here. The usual criticism applies: unclear headroom, something like 50% of the meter for the upmost 3dB, multiple definitions for the needle's attack and release, just to name a few. VUmeters are no more than eye candy, if possible, stick to digital bar meters. It's also worth to have a look at the K metering system, i.e. K14, K12 and K10. Unlike Ralf, I support the idea of an inspiring GUI. It's sometimes half of the creative process to have a GUI which invites you to play around as long as usability isn't completely ruined. Also note that sampo is working on some GUI stuff, too, so you could jump that band waggon: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/compressor-plugin-gui/ More links for your convenience: Old calf: http://calf.sourceforge.net/?id=4 libprolooks: http://www.hansfbaier.de/wordpress/libprolooks/ (GUI extracted from old calf) New calf: http://foltman.com/Deesser.png Especially the last one looks pretty decent to me. HTH -- mail: a...@thur.de http://adi.thur.de PGP/GPG: key via keyserver ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Carlo Ascani carlo.r...@gmail.com wrote: I feel the absence of a solid Audio Widget Library, it doesn't mind if it's in Gtk, Qt, EFL, skinable, fancy etc... A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of course accessible. A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a library, to be a point to start for junior devs like me. Not a library for a specific application, a general library to provides that simple controls. I know that libphat exists, but i've found it weird, i'm sorry. If someone knows some library or want to write a new one is welcome, i will help as much as possible. I'd love to know what's weird about libphat :) Crappy yes, weird, well, maybe. If you'd like to contribute to / totally change direction of / revive from the dead phat i'd totally approve. I haven't had any time for it for years, as i stopped using any of the apps that actually used it. I'm keen to help with any of your ideas and there is a few bits of good code there. Advice thought: Try and have a specific app that you use and want to make better. It's a much more effective idea that making something totally generic. After you make one app better, expand from there. Loki ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
2009/12/29 Carlo Ascani carlo.r...@gmail.com: Hi all, I'm a junior developer, interested in GUI developing (and looking for a job hehe) I wanna put your attention to the state of audio application GUIs under Linux. We have many toolkits to develop a GUI, but none that allows the user to say: Damn, that's cool! I mean, all of you know the LinuxDSP audio plugins, they have a GUI that cause a Damn, that's cool! but that isn't free software. Another example is libphat, but it's all but a Damn, it's cool. What i mean is: is there anyone interested in writing a simple set of audio widget that will be: Simple, Good Looking, Skinable? I'm interested, if there's anyone, let me know. I'm free to talk about it. Or instead of doing it ground up, maybe you could try cook something up with either/both of: http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce.php http://www.libnui.net/ Juce has options to use native windecs, so I can't really say what is it that keeps developers away. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Loki Davison wrote: I'd love to know what's weird about libphat :) Crappy yes, weird, well, maybe. If you'd like to contribute to / totally change direction of / revive from the dead phat i'd totally approve. If noone else is interested in picking up libphat I'm willing to do so. I have a bit of a history of maintaining libraries that end up being bedrock parts of the linux audio scene. Advice thought: Try and have a specific app that you use and want to make better. It's a much more effective idea that making something totally generic. After you make one app better, expand from there. Totally agree. Good advice. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GUI for audio application
Excerpts from Adrian Knoth's message of Mon Dec 28 23:04:32 +0100 2009: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:11:44PM +0100, Carlo Ascani wrote: A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of course accessible. Ah, libprolooks. I guess it could use some updates from CALF again, so try to get hold of hansfbaier or kfoltman (both hang around in #lad on freenode) A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a I agree with almost everything except the vumeter. They are for analog equipment, but we're talking digital domain here. The usual criticism applies: unclear headroom, something like 50% of the meter for the upmost 3dB, multiple definitions for the needle's attack and release, just to name a few. VUmeters are no more than eye candy, if possible, stick to digital bar meters. It's also worth to have a look at the K metering system, i.e. K14, K12 and K10. For a nice implementation of that, have a look at jkmeters http://kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html It would be nice if more apps used them where they make sense. The idea seems to be from Bob Katz. Basically they are a peak and a rms meter in one, supposed to be used with a calibrated monitoring system. You can find some explanation on Bob Katzs website. Regards, Philipp ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
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Just to add a little more agreement to the original poster, the debate is not about clear interfaces and funfair. Unfortunately, most of the time Linux audio apps have not clear style, but standard button/standard slider style. It has nothing to do with being clear as one can make a confusing interface even with those. At the same time having beautifully drawn knobs and sliders and graphs is important to me as a musician since it indeed adds to your inspiration. Working with tools which look more like some open office spreadsheet dialogues is not too much fun. Qtractor looks cool, but Qtractor has a mixer and colorful wave tracks. It does add a bit to the cheerfulness and coolness. Louigi Verona. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Philipp Überbacher hollun...@lavabit.comwrote: Excerpts from Adrian Knoth's message of Mon Dec 28 23:04:32 +0100 2009: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 09:11:44PM +0100, Carlo Ascani wrote: A library that provides 4 or 5 controls but solid like a rock and of course accessible. Ah, libprolooks. I guess it could use some updates from CALF again, so try to get hold of hansfbaier or kfoltman (both hang around in #lad on freenode) A knob, a slider, a vumeter, a toggle button. All packaged in a I agree with almost everything except the vumeter. They are for analog equipment, but we're talking digital domain here. The usual criticism applies: unclear headroom, something like 50% of the meter for the upmost 3dB, multiple definitions for the needle's attack and release, just to name a few. VUmeters are no more than eye candy, if possible, stick to digital bar meters. It's also worth to have a look at the K metering system, i.e. K14, K12 and K10. For a nice implementation of that, have a look at jkmeters http://kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/downloads/index.html It would be nice if more apps used them where they make sense. The idea seems to be from Bob Katz. Basically they are a peak and a rms meter in one, supposed to be used with a calibrated monitoring system. You can find some explanation on Bob Katzs website. Regards, Philipp ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
