Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding
On 13 Feb 2003 01:38:13 +1100 Son of Zev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I have been involved in the ardour lists for over 2 years. I have spent much time reading about potential problems and responded to all those that have had the courtesy to respond. I have also learnt and spent much time investigating problems that have nothing to do with the production of music.. simply to try and help developers iron out problems.. Pretty much everyone into linux audio at this point does that. If you look back into archives a couple of years back alot of development into inclusion of MIDI sync was added to some softwares (especially MusE) to accomodate users like myself who depend on this sync to make software compatible with real studios. BUT. In the last few weeks I have spent much time into trying to configure and compile ardour (the potentially greatest audio recording software available to us) Heh, I've been up to the same task. It seems to depend on fairly recent development tools, and upgrading to them all can mess things up. But slowly working towards it. but all my responses after I sent an opinion to the string ahem concerning Steinberg having produced (but not released) versions of their commercial softwares under our much loved platform, have been completely ignored.. except this one.. My responses have not been ignorant nor lacking in information. As I mentioned I have spent much time learning about the Linux platform and contributing when I can ... Well, position yourself with a working ardour, and then think how much time you would spend on helping others, when all that time you could be making music :) My annoyance is when it was asked of me to provdie more information and I did .. no response came.. then when I tried to resolve it myself and no further response came that's when I could only put 2 2 together and see that a response I made to the string ahem could have been related Sometimes more information does ring a bell to someone, sometimes it doesn't. That's pretty much about it from my point of view. There are many bits in cyberspace. janne (or is there? ;) cheers Allan
[linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^wits???
Hi Guys This is quite a disturbing message.. nearly 2 weeks ago Paul Davis marked one of my messages as something seriously wrong going on .. when libraries were compiling as dynamic not static... since then I have responded with full outputs of what is happening. In response I sent full output of what was going on .. tried to sort it out by myself and sent further results.. Okay some of it was too big to get to the list immediately pending list moderator acceptance.. and then some of it just purely didn't get responded to. I have done everything I have asked of me from the list, including Paul's responses ..and also taken my own initiatives following lack of response and still have recieved no response. Sure I am not a coder just a potential professional user.. but that really shouldn't be an issue... Okay some individuals responded to some of my initial questions, and thankyou to the two of them.. however noone has responded to further enquiries, after acting on the responses I did get.. Is it because I feigned mild support to Steinberg having (while unreleased) versions of their software for Linux?? Or is it because I'm obviously not a coder?? Is it simply because I used the wrong subject line? This disgusts me as about 2 years ago when I said I was going to give up on Linux to the LAD lists a massive response came about saying I should keep going and my opinions (not even problems relating to software directly) were valued and necessary. Now when I have real problems compiling something, contained with as much information I could forward were included it seems it is irrelevant and no-one seems willing to respond at all (let alone Paul) .. Other compile and/or configure problems have been responded too earlier than mine (at all really as my last few posts have not received any reply) even though I acted upon all requests made of me. I am active in all lists that I am involved in with any replies that I may have a potential answer to and have been promoting this OS and in particular the potential of Ardour to many fellow professionals in the industry. I also have rad and learnt as much as I could to give qualitative feedback to any problems I incur. All I seek is the ability to use open source software in preference to rip-off commercial apps. Yes, I admit there is potential for both to exist on this platform and would use some commerical apps to aide in crossover but that is not the point of this (ardour-dev) list. It would seem only the MusE list responds to anything I send, and only a few particular individuals at that. Aside from being upset, it appears to me that you guys are all a bunch of hypocrites.. Asking for further information, and clarification but never actually responding, while I do everything that I can possibly thing\k of in aiding you answer my questions.. yet continue to be ignored... It does not seem to be a coincidence that all response ended after my response to the string ahem. So I've wasted 2+ years of my life and countless dollars continuing down this path. Yes this is an emotional response as it seems like my friends advised me I should have just bought a Mac ,, inferior latency aside.. at least the support groups there (even those non-funded as this list) genuinely help. My only problem is , where do I go from here?? This really saddens me as I thought this (Linux) was the future. It seems it is only a future for the GPL elite. extremely pissed off Allan Klinbail
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
I'm not a real coder either (so one might argue I shouldn't be on linux-audio-dev, but I'm just interested in the discussions), so I think I understand the root cause of your grief. I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. I think only the developers of Ardour can clear out this question. best regards, Vincent
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just a bunch of *^%^%^ wits???
I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. this is completely correct. there is nobody on the ardour-dev mailing list with the time to provide hand-holding for the compile process. i want everything about building ardour right now to shout at you if you can't do this, give up!. nobody in their right minds expects endusers to use CVS, let alone have all the auto-tools installed on their systems with the precise mix of versions required for this crappy but irreplaceable set of tools to work right. when ardour is ready for end users, binaries will be available. until then, if you can't build it and nobody answers your questions quickly, take that as a sign that (1) you should wait and (2) people are busy working on cool new features. --p
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just abunch of *^%^%^ wits???
Thanks Vincent. Your reply is appreciated. However I have been involved in the ardour lists for over 2 years. I have spent much time reading about potential problems and responded to all those that have had the courtesy to respond. I have also learnt and spent much time investigating problems that have nothing to do with the production of music.. simply to try and help developers iron out problems.. Credit goes to some who have especially Takashi Iwai, Robert Jonsson, Tommi Ilmonen and a few others. If you look back into archives a couple of years back alot of development into inclusion of MIDI sync was added to some softwares (especially MusE) to accomodate users like myself who depend on this sync to make software compatible with real studios. BUT. In the last few weeks I have spent much time into trying to configure and compile ardour (the potentially greatest audio recording software available to us) but all my responses after I sent an opinion to the string ahem concerning Steinberg having produced (but not released) versions of their commercial softwares under our much loved platform, have been completely ignored.. except this one.. My responses have not been ignorant nor lacking in information. As I mentioned I have spent much time learning about the Linux platform and contributing when I can ... My annoyance is when it was asked of me to provdie more information and I did .. no response came.. then when I tried to resolve it myself and no further response came that's when I could only put 2 2 together and see that a response I made to the string ahem could have been related cheers Allan On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 00:50, Vincent Touquet wrote: I'm not a real coder either (so one might argue I shouldn't be on linux-audio-dev, but I'm just interested in the discussions), so I think I understand the root cause of your grief. I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. I think only the developers of Ardour can clear out this question. best regards, Vincent
Re: [linux-audio-dev] why is no-one responding are you all just abunch of *^%^%^ wits???]
-Forwarded Message- From: Son of Zev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alsa-dev Thanks Vincent. Your reply is appreciated. However I have been involved in the ardour lists for over 2 years. I have spent much time reading about potential problems and responded to all those that have had the courtesy to respond. I have also learnt and spent much time investigating problems that have nothing to do with the production of music.. simply to try and help developers iron out problems.. Credit goes to some who have especially Takashi Iwai, Robert Jonsson, Tommi Ilmonen and a few others. If you look back into archives a couple of years back alot of development into inclusion of MIDI sync was added to some softwares (especially MusE) to accomodate users like myself who depend on this sync to make software compatible with real studios. BUT. In the last few weeks I have spent much time into trying to configure and compile ardour (the potentially greatest audio recording software available to us) but all my responses after I sent an opinion to the string ahem concerning Steinberg having produced (but not released) versions of their commercial softwares under our much loved platform, have been completely ignored.. except this one.. My responses have not been ignorant nor lacking in information. As I mentioned I have spent much time learning about the Linux platform and contributing when I can ... My annoyance is when it was asked of me to provdie more information and I did .. no response came.. then when I tried to resolve it myself and no further response came that's when I could only put 2 2 together and see that a response I made to the string ahem could have been related cheers Allan On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 00:50, Vincent Touquet wrote: I'm not a real coder either (so one might argue I shouldn't be on linux-audio-dev, but I'm just interested in the discussions), so I think I understand the root cause of your grief. I think if (if) the Ardour developers are _expecting_ quality feedback from normal users (not just programmers) at this stage, they should provide tarballs of the stable CVS snapshots they want to be tested. But maybe they want to wait for 1.0 before letting endusers test it? In that case, maybe you tried to use it too early in its development ? I think they honestly appreciate your effort to participate, there should be no doubt about that, but maybe Ardour is still changing too rapidly for you to be able to track it. I think only the developers of Ardour can clear out this question. best regards, Vincent
