Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 ( Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 02:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: [...] (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) Well but I don't have problems with the saa7146 except for the random saa7146_i2c_writeout: timed out waiting for end of xfer which however do not seem to cause any harm... Hm - could you please test whether the patch decreases the number of saa7146_i2c_writeout messages? I am finally using this saa7146_core_-_busywait patch and indeed so far no messages in the log. Will keep you updated if they re-appear. Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 ( Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 07:32 +, Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 02:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: [...] (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) Well but I don't have problems with the saa7146 except for the random saa7146_i2c_writeout: timed out waiting for end of xfer which however do not seem to cause any harm... Hm - could you please test whether the patch decreases the number of saa7146_i2c_writeout messages? I am finally using this saa7146_core_-_busywait patch and indeed so far no messages in the log. Will keep you updated if they re-appear. Argh, right after posting 2 of them appeared in the log. Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Am Freitag, den 19.10.2007, 20:34 +0100 schrieb Mauro Carvalho Chehab: Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? You are right my statement is wrong. To get it right, my asus has the • tda10046a • saa7131e and not the saa7146 (which my brain generated using the numbers 7131 / 10046). On saa7131 board, the memory corruptions may be caused by V4L overlay interface. On overlay mode, the driver sets the device to do a PCI2PCI memory transfer. This is known to cause troubles with some VIA and SIS motherboards. If you load saa7134 with no_overlay=1, overlay mode will be disabled. Could you please test if this solves the issue? AFAIK, some newer motherboards that had this problem can be corrected by upgrading its bios. That was what I told Soeren in the very beginning, but he does not even use any analog TV. The only case that I know of, that can cause menmory or file system corruption on that driver, is using DVB-T at once with planar video formats from other external inputs. Needs packed formats, because of some dma engines limitation here, according to Hartmut. Since we have other users of this later revision of that card, maybe not hardcored enough to run it over weeks, we should have at least one more to confirm that problem. I do not deny, that there can be an undiscovered issue. We had something similar with signal detection flaws previously on analog. Some apps did show it within 20 minutes, others only after two weeks ... Have not seen it myself until today, but was true. Cheers, Hermann ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? You are right my statement is wrong. To get it right, my asus has the • tda10046a • saa7131e and not the saa7146 (which my brain generated using the numbers 7131 / 10046). On saa7131 board, the memory corruptions may be caused by V4L overlay interface. On overlay mode, the driver sets the device to do a PCI2PCI memory transfer. This is known to cause troubles with some VIA and SIS motherboards. If you load saa7134 with no_overlay=1, overlay mode will be disabled. Could you please test if this solves the issue? AFAIK, some newer motherboards that had this problem can be corrected by upgrading its bios. Cheers, Mauro___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 ( Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 02:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 02:34 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: [...] [asus is not a saa7146 based card] (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) Well but I don't have problems with the saa7146 except for the random saa7146_i2c_writeout: timed out waiting for end of xfer which however do not seem to cause any harm... Hm - could you please test whether the patch decreases the number of saa7146_i2c_writeout messages? I think I should first test the machine with the tt-1500 to see if I get a uptime of at least a week to be sure that it is working this time (so far 2 days 3 hrs, and 25 saa7146_i2c_writeout in the log). However if you think it is non intrusive enough (as in won't cause crashes/memory corruption) I can do it right away. Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 02:34 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: [...] Well :-) If the tt-1500 turns out to work OK I can just once give the asus + your isolated patch a last chance before trashing it... Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? You are right my statement is wrong. To get it right, my asus has the • tda10046a • saa7131e and not the saa7146 (which my brain generated using the numbers 7131 / 10046). (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) Well but I don't have problems with the saa7146 except for the random saa7146_i2c_writeout: timed out waiting for end of xfer which however do not seem to cause any harm... Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 04:43 +0200, hermann pitton wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 17.10.2007, 02:34 +0200 schrieb Oliver Endriss: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: [...] Well :-) If the tt-1500 turns out to work OK I can just once give the asus + your isolated patch a last chance before trashing it... Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) As I understand he has both. yes, a fujitsu siemens dvb-c and wintv-nova-t (+the asus). Single work each, but not together and in that case always the saa713x is the culprit. No, the asus does not work stable for 4 days even as a single card (it can be less if you don't use the 1.2 lifeview firmware and your reception is bad), the fujitsu siemens dvb-c and old wintv-nova-t setup works reliably though over months. Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 ( Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Wed, 2007-10-17 at 02:34 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: [...] Well :-) If the tt-1500 turns out to work OK I can just once give the asus + your isolated patch a last chance before trashing it... Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? You are right my statement is wrong. To get it right, my asus has the • tda10046a • saa7131e and not the saa7146 (which my brain generated using the numbers 7131 / 10046). Thanks for the clarification. (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) Well but I don't have problems with the saa7146 except for the random saa7146_i2c_writeout: timed out waiting for end of xfer which however do not seem to cause any harm... Hm - could you please test whether the patch decreases the number of saa7146_i2c_writeout messages? CU Oliver -- VDR Remote Plugin 0.4.0: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/ ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? Hmmhh, reading what it changes Two fixes for the 'saa7146_wait_for_debi_done' code: (a) Timeout did not work when the routine was called with interrupts disabled. (b) Reduce PCI I/O load caused by saa7146_wait_for_debi_done. Seems to be very important on fast machines! I am not sure why this could fix the problems I am seeing. I can give it a try if you are quite confident that it could help High load on the PCI bus might trigger a bug somewhere else. Btw, I'm not aware of any reports that the saa7146 driver caused memory corruption or something like that. Well it could be a bug in the asus p7131 firmware and the card just randomly doing weird things... and if this can be seen only after a few days of vdr/continuous use not many people may be affected and you may just not get reports. , but I get - gcc compile failures - filesystem corruptions - database corruptions Hm. Very often these symptoms are caused by broken hardware. I know. But as this machine has uptimes of months without this card (even with several pci slots in use and worked for long long times with very different cards in these slots) and it does not work when I just use the card instead of a win-tv or so I am sure that it is the the asus card which is not working correctly. Anyway I am now replacing that card with a tt-1500-t lets see whether strange things will happen or not. when the card's driver is loaded and is in use for a few days (and then finally a hang/crash+reboot). I have the *feeling* that the situation improved slightly by improving reception via F-connectors, so I thing there is some kind of buffer overflow or so occurring... Anyway thanks for your work, I will happily try it if you think it may fix this problem. I would try. ;-) Well :-) If the tt-1500 turns out to work OK I can just once give the asus + your isolated patch a last chance before trashing it... Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? Hmmhh, reading what it changes Two fixes for the 'saa7146_wait_for_debi_done' code: (a) Timeout did not work when the routine was called with interrupts disabled. (b) Reduce PCI I/O load caused by saa7146_wait_for_debi_done. Seems to be very important on fast machines! I am not sure why this could fix the problems I am seeing. I can give it a try if you are quite confident that it could help High load on the PCI bus might trigger a bug somewhere else. Btw, I'm not aware of any reports that the saa7146 driver caused memory corruption or something like that. Well it could be a bug in the asus p7131 firmware and the card just randomly doing weird things... and if this can be seen only after a few days of vdr/continuous use not many people may be affected and you may just not get reports. , but I get - gcc compile failures - filesystem corruptions - database corruptions Hm. Very often these symptoms are caused by broken hardware. I know. But as this machine has uptimes of months without this card (even with several pci slots in use and worked for long long times with very different cards in these slots) and it does not work when I just use the card instead of a win-tv or so I am sure that it is the the asus card which is not working correctly. Anyway I am now replacing that card with a tt-1500-t lets see whether strange things will happen or not. when the card's driver is loaded and is in use for a few days (and then finally a hang/crash+reboot). I have the *feeling* that the situation improved slightly by improving reception via F-connectors, so I thing there is some kind of buffer overflow or so occurring... Anyway thanks for your work, I will happily try it if you think it may fix this problem. I would try. ;-) Well :-) If the tt-1500 turns out to work OK I can just once give the asus + your isolated patch a last chance before trashing it... Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) CU Oliver -- VDR Remote Plugin 0.4.0: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/ ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Am Mittwoch, den 17.10.2007, 02:34 +0200 schrieb Oliver Endriss: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:47 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? Hmmhh, reading what it changes Two fixes for the 'saa7146_wait_for_debi_done' code: (a) Timeout did not work when the routine was called with interrupts disabled. (b) Reduce PCI I/O load caused by saa7146_wait_for_debi_done. Seems to be very important on fast machines! I am not sure why this could fix the problems I am seeing. I can give it a try if you are quite confident that it could help High load on the PCI bus might trigger a bug somewhere else. Btw, I'm not aware of any reports that the saa7146 driver caused memory corruption or something like that. Well it could be a bug in the asus p7131 firmware and the card just randomly doing weird things... and if this can be seen only after a few days of vdr/continuous use not many people may be affected and you may just not get reports. , but I get - gcc compile failures - filesystem corruptions - database corruptions Hm. Very often these symptoms are caused by broken hardware. I know. But as this machine has uptimes of months without this card (even with several pci slots in use and worked for long long times with very different cards in these slots) and it does not work when I just use the card instead of a win-tv or so I am sure that it is the the asus card which is not working correctly. Anyway I am now replacing that card with a tt-1500-t lets see whether strange things will happen or not. when the card's driver is loaded and is in use for a few days (and then finally a hang/crash+reboot). I have the *feeling* that the situation improved slightly by improving reception via F-connectors, so I thing there is some kind of buffer overflow or so occurring... Anyway thanks for your work, I will happily try it if you think it may fix this problem. I would try. ;-) Well :-) If the tt-1500 turns out to work OK I can just once give the asus + your isolated patch a last chance before trashing it... Wait! Please clarify whether you think that your problem is caused by the _saa7134_ driver or the _saa7146_ driver. You wrote 'that memory corruption is caused by the saa7146 driver,' Is this a typo? Did you mean saa7134? (My patch is pointless if you do not run a saa7146-based card.) As I understand he has both. Single work each, but not together and in that case always the saa713x is the culprit. Hermann ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? Hmmhh, reading what it changes Two fixes for the 'saa7146_wait_for_debi_done' code: (a) Timeout did not work when the routine was called with interrupts disabled. (b) Reduce PCI I/O load caused by saa7146_wait_for_debi_done. Seems to be very important on fast machines! I am not sure why this could fix the problems I am seeing. I can give it a try if you are quite confident that it could help, but I get - gcc compile failures - filesystem corruptions - database corruptions when the card's driver is loaded and is in use for a few days (and then finally a hang/crash+reboot). I have the *feeling* that the situation improved slightly by improving reception via F-connectors, so I thing there is some kind of buffer overflow or so occurring... Anyway thanks for your work, I will happily try it if you think it may fix this problem. Best, Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:49 +0200, hermann pitton wrote: Hi, Am Freitag, den 12.10.2007, 02:24 +0200 schrieb Oliver Endriss: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? CU Oliver Mauro also discovered a problem with SMP machines and the saa7134 driver i did never hit on UP stuff. Soeren, in case of dual processors or hyperthreading you might try what Mauro used to come around it, not sure if it is in latest v4l-dvb. The problem is, that this is a rather old UP machine machine, no fancy dual/quad core nor anything special at all... Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: On Fri, 2007-10-12 at 02:24 +0200, Oliver Endriss wrote: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? Hmmhh, reading what it changes Two fixes for the 'saa7146_wait_for_debi_done' code: (a) Timeout did not work when the routine was called with interrupts disabled. (b) Reduce PCI I/O load caused by saa7146_wait_for_debi_done. Seems to be very important on fast machines! I am not sure why this could fix the problems I am seeing. I can give it a try if you are quite confident that it could help High load on the PCI bus might trigger a bug somewhere else. Btw, I'm not aware of any reports that the saa7146 driver caused memory corruption or something like that. , but I get - gcc compile failures - filesystem corruptions - database corruptions Hm. Very often these symptoms are caused by broken hardware. when the card's driver is loaded and is in use for a few days (and then finally a hang/crash+reboot). I have the *feeling* that the situation improved slightly by improving reception via F-connectors, so I thing there is some kind of buffer overflow or so occurring... Anyway thanks for your work, I will happily try it if you think it may fix this problem. I would try. ;-) CU Oliver -- VDR Remote Plugin 0.4.0: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/ ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? CU Oliver -- VDR Remote Plugin 0.4.0: http://www.escape-edv.de/endriss/vdr/ ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
Hi, Am Freitag, den 12.10.2007, 02:24 +0200 schrieb Oliver Endriss: Soeren Sonnenburg wrote: I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). Could you please try the patch posted in http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-October/021042.html and report whether it fixes your problem? CU Oliver Mauro also discovered a problem with SMP machines and the saa7134 driver i did never hit on UP stuff. Soeren, in case of dual processors or hyperthreading you might try what Mauro used to come around it, not sure if it is in latest v4l-dvb. Hermann ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
[linux-dvb] random memory corruptions with asus p7131 (Re: asus p7131 vs ZDF?)
On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 23:55 +0200, hermann pitton wrote: Hi Soeren, Hi Hermann, Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 22:33 +0200 schrieb Soeren Sonnenburg: (I'm CC'ing hermann as he might know the solution) Dear all, [...] ZDF:57000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_1_2:QAM_16:TRANSMISSION_MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_4:HIERARCHY_NONE:545:546:514 [...] closest to you is this one with 8MHz bandwidth on the older one I have without LNA. You might try with AUTO for all, except bandwidth. T 57800 8MHz 2/3 NONEQAM16 8k1/4 NONE Haven't find anything special for this one so far on the tda8275a with tda10046a. An FMD1216ME with tda10046a, not much tested yet, more likely has some flaw around there on slightly weaker signal. none of this did work :-((( And even worse, I discovered that this driver is still very buggy, i.e. when I load the driver (and thus vdr uses it) I get random memory corruptions, which means databases are corrupted, gcc compiles suddenly crash and I trigger random kernel bugs (filesystem/ slab corruption/ etc). I am unfortunately 100% sure that it is caused by the saa7146 driver, as I have an uptime of over a week now that it is not loaded (but the card is still in the slot, yeah and I did memory tests for 18 passes - nothing). This is with vanilla kernel 2.6.22.6, I wonder whether things could be better with hg - current? Anyway I suspect overruns of some buffers, which may even be caused by firmware bugs... but I have absolutely no idea where to look at. One way to debug things would be to alloc way too large buffers and then e.g. zero them and then check whether the expected part is still zero ... I really hope that you (or someone has an idea...). Thanks a lot, Soeren ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb