Re: [linux-dvb] auto detection of Flytv duo/hybrid and pci/cardbus confusion
Hi, Am Samstag, den 23.02.2008, 00:11 +1100 schrieb Peter D.: On Wednesday 20 February 2008, hermann pitton wrote: Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2008, 21:53 +0100 schrieb Peter Missel: Greetings all! Let me clear things up a bit. First clarification, duo versus hybrid. Are duo cards equipped with two independent tuners that can both be used at the same time? Are hybrid cards necessarily equipped with digital and analogue tuners? Can a two tuner card be both a duo and a hybrid, if one tuner is digital the other is analogue and they can both be used at the same time? LifeView are using two vendor IDs - 4E42h for all (!) their OEMs, and their own one for LifeView branded cards. Hence we need two PCI ID entries for everything, each pair pointing back to the same card data. Then, card types. The analog-only and hybrid have one single tuner, for DVB-T or analog. The Duo cards have two tuner frontends, one for DVB-T and the other for analog. Trio cards add a DVB-S frontend, which cannot be used at the same time as the DVB-T frontend. Like the Duo, these can run one digital and one analog stream in parallel. Finally, card shapes. Each card type comes in CardBus, PCI, and MiniPCI shape. The flavors are compatible, so that again, the PCI ID data point back to the same card entry for e.g. the PCI and CardBus Duo. The card type/shape combinations are distinctly identified by their subsystem ID. No need to guesstimate anything. That's the plan at least. regards, Peter Hi Peter! Your plan is fine so far. We might add some more comments to group devices obviously together, since those looking first time at it are a bit lost. For such i2c IR limits, we have your and Eddi's comments. Since we can't help it easily, Peter D. should suggest the older version of the MSI A/D for auto detection. It won't make anything more worse on that not fully clear Vivanco stuff, except Hartmut might have ideas. Cheers, Hermann I think that you just suggested something. I'm going to stand at the side and nod my head. ;-) What should I do to make it an official suggestion? the usual ;) Create a patch against the current v4l-dvb master repo. Try README.patches. Send it and add the Signed-off-by line. Cheers, Hermann ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] auto detection of Flytv duo/hybrid and pci/cardbus confusion
On Monday 18 February 2008, hermann pitton wrote: Hi Peter, Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2008, 14:28 +1100 schrieb Peter D.: Hi, I've finally gotten around to reading the code and trying to get my PCI MSI [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/D card auto detected. First clarification, duo versus hybrid. Are duo cards equipped with two independent tuners that can both be used at the same time? Are hybrid cards necessarily equipped with digital and analogue tuners? Can a two tuner card be both a duo and a hybrid, if one tuner is digital the other is analogue and they can both be used at the same time? for that all I give some examples further below. Second clarification, PCI versus cardbus. They don't look anything like each other, but can they be logically interchangeable? If the code for a cardbus tuner happens to work for a PCI tuner is there anything wrong with referring to the PCI tuner as a cardbus device? No, we do such and vice versa, but then we add a comment PCI or cardbus version usually and another important compatible category is Mini PCI. You should also add LR306 as the board type. Looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCMCIA_Cards there does not appear to be any such thing as a SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_HYBRID_CARDBUS, despite the entry (number 94) in saa7134.h. Looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#LifeView there is a PCI version - but there is no PCI version in saa7134.h. They do exist, see bttv-gallery.de, OK found it. also Mauro has already a MSI OEM version. They are special for DVB-T, since they switch the mode by a gpio pin and have the silent i2c connection to the tuner open and don't use the i2c gate of the tda8290 analog demod inside the saa7131e for DVB-T tuning. So the PCI version looks like a slightly dysfunctional cardbus device. Should SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_HYBRID_CARDBUS be changed to SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_HYBRID? No. Just also add PCI and LR306 to your comments. The gpio 21 is used for the TV/radio switch. The gpio 22 = 0 in the mask is used to switch the tuner AGC to the analog demod. On some cardbus version, which have the gpio 27 high, switching it to 0 turns the fan on, on yours it does nothing, since it is 0 anyway. I can safely ignore all of that? It appears that both PCI and cardbus versions of the Flytv duo exist and are listed in saa7134.h - despite slightly inconsistent punctuation; SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBTDUO versus SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_DUO_CARDBUS. Should SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBTDUO be changed to SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_DUO? Not related to your device. Subdevice is 0x0306 and you have 0x3306, but yes, these are in a different family of devices too. I just thought that I have found a very minor typo - an extra underscore in on of the constants would look more systematic to me. It is not important. I have an MSI [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/D PCI card that works with the option card=94 There appears to not be an entry in struct pci_device_id saa7134_pci_tbl[] in saa7134-cards.c for my card. There is a reference to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] DUO which I guess is a valid entry for a different card. Yes it is. Peter Missel bought some and added the entry. Duo in LifeView terminology means two separate tuners. One for analog TV/FM and one for DVB-T. LifeView terminology. The meaning might change might change and we have to live with it. I was hoping that there would be a technical definition. On the older Duo versions those two tuners were _not hybrid_ and different for analog TV and DVB-T. Only the newer Duo variants with tda8275A use two identical such tuners, but not in hybrid mode. One is always in analog and the other always in digital mode. The older types are out of production and using two still allows to have DVB-T and analog TV from the tuners at once. This is not possible with one single hybrid tuner. DVB-T and analog video from an external input, VCR tuner or something, is possible at once, but needs also to use packed video formats for analog during that due to limitations of the dma engines with planar formats. Then the Trio has even one more tuner for DVB-S, but there is only _one_ saa713x PCI bridge on all such and only one channel decoder/demodulator for each mode. Since the single saa713x chip has only one TS/mpeg/host interface, either usable in parallel or serial mode, DVB-S and DVB-T can not be used at the same time. (also not an mpeg encoder) This is only possible with two saa713x bridges, like the md7134 in the CTX925 version has them and when we enable DVB-S support on the second bridge hopefully soon. Else functionality is like on the Trio. (BTW, the md7134 represents lots of different cards through eeprom detection) Next category is the Medion md8800 Quad(ro) with two saa7131e, two fully usable tda8275ac1 hybrid (2 analog + 2 DVB-T demods, no FM) and two tda8263 DVB-S tuners plus
Re: [linux-dvb] auto detection of Flytv duo/hybrid and pci/cardbus confusion
On Wednesday 20 February 2008, hermann pitton wrote: Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2008, 21:53 +0100 schrieb Peter Missel: Greetings all! Let me clear things up a bit. First clarification, duo versus hybrid. Are duo cards equipped with two independent tuners that can both be used at the same time? Are hybrid cards necessarily equipped with digital and analogue tuners? Can a two tuner card be both a duo and a hybrid, if one tuner is digital the other is analogue and they can both be used at the same time? LifeView are using two vendor IDs - 4E42h for all (!) their OEMs, and their own one for LifeView branded cards. Hence we need two PCI ID entries for everything, each pair pointing back to the same card data. Then, card types. The analog-only and hybrid have one single tuner, for DVB-T or analog. The Duo cards have two tuner frontends, one for DVB-T and the other for analog. Trio cards add a DVB-S frontend, which cannot be used at the same time as the DVB-T frontend. Like the Duo, these can run one digital and one analog stream in parallel. Finally, card shapes. Each card type comes in CardBus, PCI, and MiniPCI shape. The flavors are compatible, so that again, the PCI ID data point back to the same card entry for e.g. the PCI and CardBus Duo. The card type/shape combinations are distinctly identified by their subsystem ID. No need to guesstimate anything. That's the plan at least. regards, Peter Hi Peter! Your plan is fine so far. We might add some more comments to group devices obviously together, since those looking first time at it are a bit lost. For such i2c IR limits, we have your and Eddi's comments. Since we can't help it easily, Peter D. should suggest the older version of the MSI A/D for auto detection. It won't make anything more worse on that not fully clear Vivanco stuff, except Hartmut might have ideas. Cheers, Hermann I think that you just suggested something. I'm going to stand at the side and nod my head. ;-) What should I do to make it an official suggestion? -- sig goes here... Peter D. ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] auto detection of Flytv duo/hybrid and pci/cardbus confusion
Am Mittwoch, den 20.02.2008, 23:41 +0100 schrieb Werner Braun: Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2008, 21:53 +0100 schrieb Peter Missel: Greetings all! Let me clear things up a bit. First clarification, duo versus hybrid. Are duo cards equipped with two independent tuners that can both be used at the same time? Are hybrid cards necessarily equipped with digital and analogue tuners? Can a two tuner card be both a duo and a hybrid, if one tuner is digital the other is analogue and they can both be used at the same time? LifeView are using two vendor IDs - 4E42h for all (!) their OEMs, and their own one for LifeView branded cards. Hence we need two PCI ID entries for everything, each pair pointing back to the same card data. Then, card types. The analog-only and hybrid have one single tuner, for DVB-T or analog. The Duo cards have two tuner frontends, one for DVB-T and the other for analog. Trio cards add a DVB-S frontend, which cannot be used at the same time as the DVB-T frontend. Like the Duo, these can run one digital and one analog stream in parallel. Finally, card shapes. Each card type comes in CardBus, PCI, and MiniPCI shape. The flavors are compatible, so that again, the PCI ID data point back to the same card entry for e.g. the PCI and CardBus Duo. The card type/shape combinations are distinctly identified by their subsystem ID. No need to guesstimate anything. That's the plan at least. regards, Peter Hi Peter! Your plan is fine so far. We might add some more comments to group devices obviously together, since those looking first time at it are a bit lost. For such i2c IR limits, we have your and Eddi's comments. Since we can't help it easily, Peter D. should suggest the older version of the MSI A/D for auto detection. It won't make anything more worse on that not fully clear Vivanco stuff, except Hartmut might have ideas. Cheers, Hermann Hermann and Peter, I guess it was me with the Vivanco card in May/June last year. I took a time out from the mailing list due to time constraints, but am back and willing to help you sorting out the open issues, as far as my limited competences allow for it. The current status with my Vivanco 21057 card (4e42:3306) is: - DVB-T works with the patches you suggested last year - Analog not (but did not bother anyway) - FM: did not try - Remote: dto. (I'm sitting in front of the computer anyway) Funny thing: since Kernel 2.6.22, firmware upload does not work any longer. I have to boot XP before and do a warm reboot, then DVB-T under Linux works. Best regards Werner Hi, Werner, yes it was your device coming back in mind. We know now about the new A/D version V1.1, saw only a fuzzy picture so far, but looks like a KS003 something for the remote and not that PIC on the prior, different addresses, IIRC. That one also has the supposed LNA in the tuner area visible. Must look it up again, but for what I remember I did not find a difference between your Vivanco card and what Peter D. has. We also have regspy output from a recent cardbus A/D NB, but Mauro can't test any DVB-T currently and analog is fine on that one with card=94. However, maybe the differences of the gpio settings in DVB-T mode visible there may help us to figure out a pattern we miss. analog SAA7134_GPIO_GPMODE: 8078e700 (1000 0000 11100111 ) SAA7134_GPIO_GPSTATUS: 08218000 (1000 0011 1000 ) composite SAA7134_GPIO_GPSTATUS: 08218000 (1000 0011 1000 ) s-video SAA7134_GPIO_GPSTATUS: 08218000 (1000 0011 1000 ) radio SAA7134_GPIO_GPSTATUS: 08018000 (1000 0001 1000 ) dvb-t SAA7134_GPIO_GPSTATUS: 08e08000 (1000 1110 1000 ) - board init: gpio is 821 1000 0011 Cheers, Hermann ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] auto detection of Flytv duo/hybrid and pci/cardbus confusion
Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2008, 21:53 +0100 schrieb Peter Missel: Greetings all! Let me clear things up a bit. First clarification, duo versus hybrid. Are duo cards equipped with two independent tuners that can both be used at the same time? Are hybrid cards necessarily equipped with digital and analogue tuners? Can a two tuner card be both a duo and a hybrid, if one tuner is digital the other is analogue and they can both be used at the same time? LifeView are using two vendor IDs - 4E42h for all (!) their OEMs, and their own one for LifeView branded cards. Hence we need two PCI ID entries for everything, each pair pointing back to the same card data. Then, card types. The analog-only and hybrid have one single tuner, for DVB-T or analog. The Duo cards have two tuner frontends, one for DVB-T and the other for analog. Trio cards add a DVB-S frontend, which cannot be used at the same time as the DVB-T frontend. Like the Duo, these can run one digital and one analog stream in parallel. Finally, card shapes. Each card type comes in CardBus, PCI, and MiniPCI shape. The flavors are compatible, so that again, the PCI ID data point back to the same card entry for e.g. the PCI and CardBus Duo. The card type/shape combinations are distinctly identified by their subsystem ID. No need to guesstimate anything. That's the plan at least. regards, Peter Hi Peter! Your plan is fine so far. We might add some more comments to group devices obviously together, since those looking first time at it are a bit lost. For such i2c IR limits, we have your and Eddi's comments. Since we can't help it easily, Peter D. should suggest the older version of the MSI A/D for auto detection. It won't make anything more worse on that not fully clear Vivanco stuff, except Hartmut might have ideas. Cheers, Hermann ___ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
Re: [linux-dvb] auto detection of Flytv duo/hybrid and pci/cardbus confusion
Hi Peter, Am Sonntag, den 17.02.2008, 14:28 +1100 schrieb Peter D.: Hi, I've finally gotten around to reading the code and trying to get my PCI MSI [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/D card auto detected. First clarification, duo versus hybrid. Are duo cards equipped with two independent tuners that can both be used at the same time? Are hybrid cards necessarily equipped with digital and analogue tuners? Can a two tuner card be both a duo and a hybrid, if one tuner is digital the other is analogue and they can both be used at the same time? for that all I give some examples further below. Second clarification, PCI versus cardbus. They don't look anything like each other, but can they be logically interchangeable? If the code for a cardbus tuner happens to work for a PCI tuner is there anything wrong with referring to the PCI tuner as a cardbus device? No, we do such and vice versa, but then we add a comment PCI or cardbus version usually and another important compatible category is Mini PCI. You should also add LR306 as the board type. Looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCMCIA_Cards there does not appear to be any such thing as a SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_HYBRID_CARDBUS, despite the entry (number 94) in saa7134.h. Looking at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#LifeView there is a PCI version - but there is no PCI version in saa7134.h. They do exist, see bttv-gallery.de, also Mauro has already a MSI OEM version. They are special for DVB-T, since they switch the mode by a gpio pin and have the silent i2c connection to the tuner open and don't use the i2c gate of the tda8290 analog demod inside the saa7131e for DVB-T tuning. Should SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_HYBRID_CARDBUS be changed to SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_HYBRID? No. Just also add PCI and LR306 to your comments. The gpio 21 is used for the TV/radio switch. The gpio 22 = 0 in the mask is used to switch the tuner AGC to the analog demod. On some cardbus version, which have the gpio 27 high, switching it to 0 turns the fan on, on yours it does nothing, since it is 0 anyway. It appears that both PCI and cardbus versions of the Flytv duo exist and are listed in saa7134.h - despite slightly inconsistent punctuation; SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBTDUO versus SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_DUO_CARDBUS. Should SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBTDUO be changed to SAA7134_BOARD_FLYDVBT_DUO? Not related to your device. Subdevice is 0x0306 and you have 0x3306, but yes, these are in a different family of devices too. I have an MSI [EMAIL PROTECTED] A/D PCI card that works with the option card=94 There appears to not be an entry in struct pci_device_id saa7134_pci_tbl[] in saa7134-cards.c for my card. There is a reference to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] DUO which I guess is a valid entry for a different card. Yes it is. Peter Missel bought some and added the entry. Duo in LifeView terminology means two separate tuners. One for analog TV/FM and one for DVB-T. On the older Duo versions those two tuners were _not hybrid_ and different for analog TV and DVB-T. Only the newer Duo variants with tda8275A use two identical such tuners, but not in hybrid mode. One is always in analog and the other always in digital mode. The older types are out of production and using two still allows to have DVB-T and analog TV from the tuners at once. This is not possible with one single hybrid tuner. DVB-T and analog video from an external input, VCR tuner or something, is possible at once, but needs also to use packed video formats for analog during that due to limitations of the dma engines with planar formats. Then the Trio has even one more tuner for DVB-S, but there is only _one_ saa713x PCI bridge on all such and only one channel decoder/demodulator for each mode. Since the single saa713x chip has only one TS/mpeg/host interface, either usable in parallel or serial mode, DVB-S and DVB-T can not be used at the same time. (also not an mpeg encoder) This is only possible with two saa713x bridges, like the md7134 in the CTX925 version has them and when we enable DVB-S support on the second bridge hopefully soon. Else functionality is like on the Trio. (BTW, the md7134 represents lots of different cards through eeprom detection) Next category is the Medion md8800 Quad(ro) with two saa7131e, two fully usable tda8275ac1 hybrid (2 analog + 2 DVB-T demods, no FM) and two tda8263 DVB-S tuners plus two tda10086 channel decoders plus an isl6405 dual LNB controller, where we just have support of the first SAT connector now, diseqc for multiswitches is not fully tested yet. There is RF loopthrough, in and out, respectively to the other. So it should be already possible to view and record from both DVB-S devices at once, within that tunable spectrum the active one limits for the passive by controlling tone and LNB voltage. That loopthrough can be switched off, for example when we have active control for the second SAT
