Re: hebrew in netscape (cgi forms work around)
I filled out my first cgi form in hebrew today: (to appreciate this, remember I don't have hebrew on my physical keyboard either :) Switch to the hebrew xmodmap.il run netscape load hebrew page choose hebrew char set open new navigator window load a page in composer print a word on the keyboard shift to print the english equivalent print the english equivalent in cgi form. Et voila! Dorit 'My life is a constant work around. I just wish I knew around what' = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newsreader
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "Yosi" == Yosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yosi Hello, Yosi I am looking for a newsreader for Linux, and I would be more than Yosi grateful if you can recommend me of one. These are the things that I Yosi need in a newsreader (from the most important to the least): Gnus for (X)Emacs is the ultimate answer (but it'll take you some time to learn it). Has enormous flexibility, see: http://www.gnus.org Yosi 1. GPL Yes Yosi 2. Secure. I don't like Java/JavaScript/JScript/ActiveX or all the Yosirest of these things. The less built-in support the newsreader has Yosifor these things - the better. I don't need "smart" newsreaders Yosidisplaying html code inside posts either. Gnus is text-only, but you can throw in some MIME support. Yosi 3. support threading. More options than any other newsreader I've ever seen. Yosi 4. support for PGP. Yes (using mailcrypt). Yosi 5. In text mode. Works wherever emacsen work (including console, X, MS Windows etc.) Regards, Andre. - -- # Andre E. Bar'yudin # # Home page: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~baryudin # # E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Phone: (972)-53-812-026 # -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.4, an Emacs/PGP interface Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBOCKl90l/hMfKMfOJEQK9kgCgqX2erF1r60cdGsB+c8DU7DNmXfMAn0sm 3ISjKOgiSoKRdSI+6YnyvVJy =njYy -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail problem
Just like MAPS RBL and MAPS ORBS. ORBS is not related to MAPS. You just choose which level of spam protection you want on your mail server. For low risk you can do none or just MAPS RBL, if you want more protection you can use ORBS, and if you're really desparate you also use DUL. You're sending e-mails directly from your dialup-line because *most* hosts aren't desparate enough to use DUL. Some are, though, so you better configure your mailer to use your ISP's mail relay. Actually, it's more of a philosophical question; the MAPS RBL only lists IP addresses which are associated with `hard' network abusers, e.g. bulk friendly ISPs, etc. So sites choosing to block traffic (or SMTP) from IP addresses listed on the RBL know fairly well that they won't lose real email. The DUL lists dynamically assigned IP addresses. It's supposed to list only address blocks which were submitted to MAPS by their owner, but that isn't what always happens. Theoretically, users of the DUL accept the fact that they won't receive email from dynamic IP addresses. But, as we've just seen, not all dynamic IP users are spammers. I think the DUL is an inferior solution. Who says dynamic IP email is bad? What will happen with IPv6? I also think that it's wrong to force users to use their ISP's mail hub. (Or worse; invisibly redirect SMTP traffic to that host.) Lastly, the ORBS database lists open SMTP relays. Even if a relay has never been used for net abuse purposes but ORBS finds out about it, it will get listed. The ORBS database also lists some hosts which relay mail only for e.g. the ORBS test machine, and so are NOT really a risk to the Internet. Sites using the ORBS database implicitly choose not to receive email from such hosts, and thus can lose mail. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail problem
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, dorit ben shalom wrote: Hi guys I am experimenting with sending mail from my own machine (instead of telneting someplace and sending there). My mail is being blocked by the following program: http://maps.vix.com/dul/enduser.htm If you appear in the RBL maps, you are being blocked for spamming. What exactly did you do for this ... testing ? --Ariel What can I do? Dorit PS I apologize for sending this message to the list. I know I can in principle ask my ISP (netvision) about this, but when was the last time you tried to explain to their tech support that you are a stand-alone linux user on a subnotebook who can only use command lines? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-640608 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mail problem
On Sat, Nov 06, 1999, Adam Morrison wrote about "Re: mail problem": Just like MAPS RBL and MAPS ORBS. Actually, it's more of a philosophical question; the MAPS RBL only lists IP addresses which are associated with `hard' network abusers, .. This may be a bit off-topic for linux-il, but since people already started talking about this subject, and as a user of ORBS, RBL and DUL (as well as RSS) to fight spam, I'd like to clarify the ideas behind using *all* three lists as a 3-tiered defence against spam. The idea is that we want to know if the person who sent us the message is a spammer (in which case we want to junk the message), AND we don't want him to fooling us by conceiling his identity. If the message is coming from an IP of a known spammer company, then this is easy: we'll just junk the message. This is RBL: RBL (Realtime Blackhole List) is a list of IPs of networks belonging to known spammers, or networks known for actively helping or harboring spammers. Now, spammers know people are using RBL, so to hide their identity, instead of sending you the message directly they send it through a misconfigured mail server somewhere on the internet which allows "relaying" to anybody. Properly-configured servers should not allow such relaying. Another reason spammers are using open relays is cost-shifting: if they can get other people's servers to send out thousands of messages without an cost to them, it makes them happier. The ORBS list (www.orbs.org, Open Relay Blackhole Service?) is a list of servers that are known to allow such "open relaying", and thus email from them may be untracable and may be spam. Participating users or systems may refuse email from systems listed on ORBS, but typically there are a few false positives (legitimate mail is coming from a open-relay system because that ISP didn't bother fixing their configuration), so it is recommended to have a list of people that you always want to get mail from. Some Israeli ISPs, like Netvision and Kavey Zahav (or whatever their name is now) are NOTORIOUS for trying to cheat ORBS' robots because they feel they can't be bothered with properly configuring their servers (but ORBS know they're being cheated, and added these 2 ISPs permanently to their list). I personally emailed these ISPs myself about the issue, but they wouldn't listen - apprently they don't care that email from their clients is being refused around the world, or that they are getting bad publicity (I'm getting spam delivered through ftp.netvision.net.il at least once a week). Anyway, once spammers realise that people have started using ORBS (or RSS), they tried another method: getting a cheap Internet account from some ISP, log into it, and run the spam program on that dialup IP line - sending spam directly from it. What we'd rather have them do is to use their ISP's mail server for relaying the spam. Why?? Because this gives their ISP two chances to fight them: 1) ISPs can implement limits on their relays to prevent to many messages being sent from a given IP at a certain interval, for example 2) ISPs can claim this is a misuse of *their* server (if it is specified in the contract) and sue the spammers. So, if we don't let spammers send mail from Dialup IPs, we're giving the ISPs ammunitions to fight the spammers that are abusing them. If these ISPs choose not to fight the spammers on using their services, then this is fine, but such an ISP will find itself on the RBL list (see above). To summarize, the 3-tiered blacklisting is not about 3 levels of "confidence": only using these 3 together will let us make spammers and spam-friendly system administrators accountable for their actions. that isn't what always happens. Theoretically, users of the DUL accept the fact that they won't receive email from dynamic IP addresses. But, as we've just seen, not all dynamic IP users are spammers. I think the DUL is an inferior solution. Who says dynamic IP email is bad? What Someone has already posted here the correct explanation for why dynamic IP email *IS* bad, even when not considering the spam accountability issues described above: it is very often the case that remote mail servers suffer from lapses of inavailability: either because of network connectivity problems, because of shutdowns, and so on. Mailing list administrators are well aware of the fact, and you usually see messages hanging around for hours in the mail queue waiting to be sent. Anyway, when you send email directly from your dynamic IP, and the remote server does not answer, what do you do? You shouldn't give up, because the server may be temporarily down, but you can't retry later because the user may disconnect the connection to the ISP in a minute! The solution is to send the message through your ISP's server, which is connected to the Internet 24/7. will happen with IPv6? I also think that it's wrong to force users to use their ISP's mail hub. (Or worse; invisibly redirect SMTP traffic to
Re: mail problem
On Sat, Nov 06, 1999 at 03:11:53PM +0200, Adam Morrison wrote: Just like MAPS RBL and MAPS ORBS. ORBS is not related to MAPS. Thanks for the correction. You just choose which level of spam protection you want on your mail server. For low risk you can do none or just MAPS RBL, if you want more protection you can use ORBS, and if you're really desparate you also use DUL. You're sending e-mails directly from your dialup-line because *most* hosts aren't desparate enough to use DUL. Some are, though, so you better configure your mailer to use your ISP's mail relay. Actually, it's more of a philosophical question; the MAPS RBL only lists IP addresses which are associated with `hard' network abusers, e.g. bulk friendly ISPs, etc. So sites choosing to block traffic (or SMTP) from IP addresses listed on the RBL know fairly well that they won't lose real email. Not necessarily true -- bulk friendly ISPs can also have legitimate customers. The DUL lists dynamically assigned IP addresses. It's supposed to list only address blocks which were submitted to MAPS by their owner, but that isn't what always happens. Theoretically, users of the DUL accept the fact that they won't receive email from dynamic IP addresses. But, as we've just seen, not all dynamic IP users are spammers. I think the DUL is an inferior solution. Who says dynamic IP email is bad? What will happen with IPv6? I also think that it's wrong to force users to use their ISP's mail hub. (Or worse; invisibly redirect SMTP traffic to that host.) So when everyone and their wristwatch have their own IPv6 addresses we can stop using it. (For whatever reason.) It's wrong to force users to use their ISP's mail hubs, but having your mail server crumble under the load of spam isn't exactly right either, so each administrator decides on some compromise. I don't use either of these three systems, but I don't get a lot of spam. For some people it's better even to reject a legitimate e-mail once in a long while than to be unable to read it anyway because of all the spam. -- Alex Shnitman| http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--- http://alexsh.hectic.netUIN 188956PGP key on web page E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA Recent case studies (the Internet) provide very dramatic evidence ... that commercial quality can be achieved / exceeded by Open Source projects. -- Internal Microsoft memo PGP signature
Re: mail problem
Sorry for my ignorance, but if I route my mail through the ISP gateway, does it necessarily solve the 'remote server not answer' problem? Thanks again Dorit = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs
if netvision is intending to stop supporting linux similar to supporting windows, you don't have to use their services. some other ISPs happily support linux users. note that i'm affiliated with one fo them, so i'm not objective.. guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel compiling error
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
In fact, as and as86 are *not* the same:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 155644 Oct 14 1998 /usr/bin/as
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root47996 May 5 1998 /usr/bin/as86
--Ariel
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Mike wrote:
Hi.
I'm installing linux-2.2.12 kernel.
in the make bzImage (or make zImage) i get the following error :
make[1]: as86: Command not found
make[1]: *** [bbootsect.o] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot'
make: *** [bzImage] Error 2
What do i need to do in order to fix it ?
why did it occour ?
Thanks,
Mike
You didn't set up the links correctly or else you dont have as installed.
Do "which as". If it's there then go back to /usr/src/linux and do "make
config". Make sure that the first lines of output show the link setup.
Hold the "enter" key down until you get back to the shell prompt. Then try
to build again.
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KDE...
hey my probalm is starnge X (kde) problam.. first i use slackware 4.0 (2.2.6) i recently configed my X server and tried to give it a shot, when i got in, every thing seemed great, but as i tried to run several programs i saw that i cant run any program (although they are installed), i cant run screen savers, cant get into some configuration screens, cant do nothing except locking the screen and loging out (i dont get any error's in that time. the program just wont run). when i did logged out i got an error massege like this: 'ERROR: KFM IS NOT RUNNING' 'KFM IS NOT READY' my quastion's are... how can solve this (annoying) problam (and use kde)? and what is 'kfm'? thanx ahead, ran. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel compiling error
On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Or Sagi wrote: Or, again, it would be nice if you could either post a constructive criticism, or no post at all (and this goes for everyone). No need to use this kind of attitude and language on a public list. Although the guy made a mistake, cutting his throat off is not the right way to go, IMHO. Thanks, --Ariel On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Mike wrote: Hi. whine about a kernel not compiling snipped why did it occour ? Because you're a clueless idiot ? Do you even _bother_ to try and find out the answer yourself before you rush and post your yet-another-whine about why things don't work for you ? Some people shouldn't be allowed to use computers. -- Ors. P.S. You're posting to a linux list. At least have the basic intelligence to not send MS style HTML mail. Thanks, Mike = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-640608 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cant access hda2
Hi Several electricty failure and bad UPS damaged the super block on hda2, now i cant access it nor fsck it. Its says that its not ext2. I need few files from this device. can i get them ? -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-6-6925757 Fax: 972-6-6925858 http://www.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cant access hda2
It depends if this is your MAIN Linux partition... I would take this hard disk to another Linux machine and boot from a working station (after I connect the bad hard disk to that machine as a slave or a a 2nd disk), then I would run fsck... Hetz Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi Several electricty failure and bad UPS damaged the super block on hda2, now i cant access it nor fsck it. Its says that its not ext2. I need few files from this device. can i get them ? -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-6-6925757 Fax: 972-6-6925858 http://www.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linuhx vs. MSFT (was Re: Is Linux on the way of getting too complicated? )
Linux 2.0 1998 229 The Windows platform with 3433 API calls (up to NT4 SP3) belongs to a different league; the associated problems are documented elsewhere [2]. Is it fair to count all the Windows API calls and omit Linux GUI calls ? I wonder what is the figure for Linux if I would take into account the Xwindows interface and/or various libraries that meant to hide it. And what about the various window managers ? Yes it is fair. The modular design of Linux (coming from the Unix design philosophy, of course ;-) means that those API are separate and to a large extent orthogonal. The count refers to the MINIMAL OS API one must take into account to write a program. Now, don't get me wrong, of course you don't have to use every one of those API calls for every Win* program, but they are there in your name space and other API calls you do need to use may refer to / require them. Apache doesn't care about the API for managing graphics display on the screen. IIS on the other hand uses the same API used also for graphics. For example, I'm pretty sure IIS maintains some sort of message loop (I am not sure how much this statement is correct - any Win* guru's [ Hi Aviram! ;-) ] want to correct me? ). The choice of this kind of design for the program is inherit by the "choice" to use the Win* API. Apache designers suffered no such restraints. I think this opens up a really interesting line of thought: The first skill that a programmer/designer must learn is how to break up a problem to different pieces with defined interfaces between them to fight complexity. Linux does just that. The Win* API shows a much lesser level of this idea, IMHO. The prime reason for this is NOT bad engineering as some people think. Instead, the reasons are: 1. The need to maintain backwards compatibility with aged technology (and, as my good friend Shachar always says, backwards compatibility is compatibility done backwards) 2. The need to keep complexity as a way to obscure certain parts of how the system works so that MSFT will retain dominance in the market by leveraging it's knowledge of those APIs. Practices such as these are the direct reason behind MSFT great financial success in the past because up till now MSFT dealt with the Desktop environment. There, if your program crashes you just reboot and continue. This is not acceptable in the Server environment to which MSFT must adapt to in order to survive. Moreover, because the result of Moor's law brought about such a situation where technologies reserved in the past for the Server arena or specific niche markets are now usable on Desktop systems (e.g. Unix - Linux) the users of Desktop system start to expect more of the software they use. These (and secondary effects, like NTs inability to run on ANYTHING that is not an Intel 32bit platform leading to it being perceived as a "dead end" platform) will lead (again, IMHO) to MSFT either adapting by changing its policies (and therefor abandoning that which made it such a successful company) or die. The current reaction of the stock market to MSFT's latest financial results is proof, in my eyes, that the great unwashed masses, beyond us tech freaks, start to understand just that. This is the right time to sell those MSFT stocks ;-) Gilad, who wishes he he programed on an enviorment with just one API call - DoWhatIHaveInMind(Brain pbrain) const ... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs
Hi Guy, On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, guy keren wrote: if netvision is intending to stop supporting linux similar to supporting windows, you don't have to use their services. some other ISPs happily support linux users. That is funny, cause from a public announcement that Netvision gave. They are not only supporting Linux, they are about to start a Linux support center, like the one they have for Microsoft products. Second, as far as I can recall, currently there is only one ISP in israel which is openly supporting Linux, and that is Actcom. Third, Netvision is currently giving it's linux support to everybody, not only their customers, so if you have a linux related question, they are supposed to be able to answer it. Again, I have no idea who are the people sitting behind the phones, but I do belive that it's worth giving them the credit for a good thought and idea. Best regards, Nir Simionovich . Technionus Dormus Farmus Administratus Regularus . --- Taub Computer Center, Technion Cellphone:054-898834 The Network Flight Recorder Project Phone:04-8282741 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager:058-474747 Admin : vipe, heller, tux (05437) n-cc, n-teg, n-dorms --- Linux is not an Operating System, It's a way of life - Dare to live it! --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs
they are about to start a Linux support center They have. 2 weeks ago. Free for another month, then "a lot of money". Again, what I am wondering about is what will happen to 'simple' linux calls. Dorit = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
