Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Moshe Zadka

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Herouth Maoz wrote:

> BTW, my e-mailer is KMail. It has reply and reply-to-all. How many 
> people use Mutt anyway?

This sounds like the right time for a shameless plug: have you considered
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Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Moshe Zadka

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Guy Cohen wrote:

> I been away from the list for a while and beed reading the list again
> for the last few days. I could not help but noticing pepoel reply
> to mails to the sender _and_ to the list, and i ask you why ?
> In mutt you press the "L" for replying only to the list, so is that
> so hard to do that instead of typing the "g" for global reply ?
> I'm quite sure pine, elm, or any other mailer have a group reply only
> botton/function. So why don't use that ?

You know, the wonderful thing about the internet and client/server
protocols, is that you never know what's on the other side. Maybe
I used "vi" to edit /var/spool/mail for your message, replied then
used /usr/lib/sendmail to send it?


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Re: A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Ariel Biener

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Omer Zak wrote:


Omer dear, rebooting a firewall means stopping the service to your
customer. Hardly the way to go. I can't imagine that every added rule to
the firewall would require such an ackward procedure. Not to mention how
reliable floppy diskettes are.


--Ariel
> 
> Simple and elementary, my dear Dr. Watson.When the configuration files
> have to be modified, the firewall will be shut down.The floppy will be
> removed from it.Then the floppy will set to non-write-protected mode
> (invoking the magic embedded into your pinkie's nail).Then it will be
> inserted into the FDD of another computer (one which has the vi editor).
> Then edit the configuration files.After the configuration files have
> been edited, unmount and remove the floppy from the PC you used to edit
> it.Then, set the floppy back to write-protected mode, insert it into the
> firewall and reboot the firewall.
> 
> The CD-ROM has no writable mode.So it should be used for files which
> don't have to be modified (next time you get an security advisory about
> one of the programs in the CD-ROM, burn a new CD-ROM).
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Re: A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Omer Zak


On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Ariel Biener wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Omer Zak wrote:
> 
> > 3. It will boot from a floppy disk (write-protected, of course) - as the
> >  PC on which I want to implement the idea is older and its BIOS does not
> >  know to boot directly from CD-ROM.
> 
> Here you sat write protected.
> 
> > 4. Any files, which may have to be modified (such as network configuration
> >  and firewall rules for ipchains), will be stored on the floppy disk.
> 
> Here you say not write protected.
> 
> 
> Make up your mind ? :)

Simple and elementary, my dear Dr. Watson.  When the configuration files
have to be modified, the firewall will be shut down.  The floppy will be
removed from it.  Then the floppy will set to non-write-protected mode
(invoking the magic embedded into your pinkie's nail).  Then it will be
inserted into the FDD of another computer (one which has the vi editor). 
Then edit the configuration files.  After the configuration files have
been edited, unmount and remove the floppy from the PC you used to edit 
it.  Then, set the floppy back to write-protected mode, insert it into the
firewall and reboot the firewall.

The CD-ROM has no writable mode.  So it should be used for files which
don't have to be modified (next time you get an security advisory about
one of the programs in the CD-ROM, burn a new CD-ROM). 
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Re: A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Guy Cohen

Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The advantage is that even if the root is compromised, the cracker's
> ability to inflict actual damage will be limited.
 
I may be missing something here, but once an attacker have root access
to your firewall, what prevents her from modifying routing tables and even
more, changing the security policy to allow her access from any machine.
This does not require any disk space you know ...

Guy


Omer: sorry for the double post i mistakly sent to you any not the list.

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Fw: LOOKING FOR GOOD BOOKS ON LINUX AND POSIX PROGRAMING IN ISRAEL.........

2000-11-28 Thread Avi Boots


try,

http://www.privat.schlund.de/a/amiga/
http://www.amigau.com/c-programming/assembler/assemblerlinks.htm
http://www.megabytebooks.com/catalogue/88/1873308272/

Title Amiga Assembler Insider Guide
Subject Amiga
ISBN 1873308272
Author Paul Overaa
Publisher Bruce Smith Books



> Oded Avrishami wrote:
> >
> > HELLO 2 U ALL FRICKS.
> > For a long time I'm tring to find good books that tells u everything
about
> > linux programing in C,
> > ASSEMBLER, that will teach u how to use the linux OS, and also will
explane
> > XWINDOWS AND POSIX programing.
> >
> > This is not relevent but I know u all fricks know about that :
> > I also tried for a long time to find good books about the AMIGA
ASSEMBLER
> > and about graphic programming.
> >
> > Can u PLEASE PLEASE  help me, I'm REALLY despret.
> >
> > THANKS IN ADVANCE
> > BEST REGARDS
> >
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> Base level C:
> * The C Programming Language (2nd Ed.), Kernighan & Ritchie, Prentice Hall
> Systems programming:
> * Linux Application Development, Johnson & Troan, Addison Wesley
> * Advanced Programming in a Unix Environment, Stevens, Addison Wesley
> (He has two other sets of books on TCP/IP and Network programming,
absolute must if that's your direction.)
> * Programming with POSIX Threads, Butenhof, Addison Wesley
> Internals, drivers: (These are a bit out of date, but good for background)
> * Linux Kernel Internals, Beck et al., Addison Wesley
> * Linux Device Drivers, Rubini, O'Reilly
> Assembly language, MASM/ix86 style:
> * Linux Assembly Language Programming, Neveln, Prentice Hall (A bit
disappointing)
> X Windows:
> * Look at the O'Reilly X Windows Series (Motif editions), Vols 0-5, 6a&b,
8  + R6 Supplement
> These are also getting to be a bit long in the tooth, but are seminal.
> Use of Linux:
> * Any of a zillion kilo-books of the "Howto" variety; most not very good &
the best of them will just gather dust after
> a few days/weeks/months of use.
>
> There must be other good stuff around, but that's what I use.
>
> About the other topics - I dunno.
>
> Hope that helps.


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Re: A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Ariel Biener




 To achieve a perfectly secured system, follow the below algorithm:

1). Unplug computer from wall outlet.
2). Melt computer into a fish shaped piece of metal.
3). Paint blue.
4). Throw in the ocean.

ve ha mevin iavin.


--Ariel

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Re: A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Aviram Jenik



> I have the following idea for a Linux based firewall, which will hopefully
> make it safer to connect a LAN to the Internet.

The idea is quite nice (not new, though :-).

>
> The question - did anyone already do something similar?

Yes, I can say that I did (sort of). I can't really give details, though -
other than saying 'yes, I did it'.

> If yes, can he/she share with me any tips on how to actually do this, and
> if and which problems am I likely to face while trying to pull off this
> feat?

Check if the programs you are using need to write to the file system, and
disable them.
Placing a read/write hard disk completely destroys the whole point of making
a read-only system.

Regarding making a read-only system: You might be surprised to see that
programs you didn't expect are using temporary files (though I admit that
it's less unlikely to happen on Linux). Swap file is an issue, of course.
Your server will have to have plenty of memory.

> And - is there anything which may prevent me from reaching the ideal of
> inability to break into the internal LAN even if the cracker is logged in
> as root?
>
Yes. What you did is limit the attackers playground from a couple of
gigabytes to hundreds of megabytes.
Assuming the attacker gets the ability to execute commands on the server
(this is the common assumption when trying to analyse the security model),
the attacker can use the available memory (usually hundred mbs) to load
programs of her choice. This goes double if a hard drive is present.

All in all, you'll have *some* free memory *somewhere* that can be written
to. If this happens, the attacker can compile a little-tiny-attack-tool and
load it to memory. From this point, the way to the internal network is open.


Important clarification: Before I get flames like "what are the chances that
x really happens": It doesn't matter what the chances are, as long as
they're more than zero. Omer tried to build a perfect security system, and
I'm merely trying to explain why it's not *perfect*. Of course it's pretty
good, and definitely better than most normal firewall systems. However, for
the question "is there anything which may prevent me from reaching the ideal
of inability to break into the internal LAN even if the cracker is logged in
as root?", the answer is: "Yes.".

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Re: A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Ariel Biener

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Omer Zak wrote:

> 3. It will boot from a floppy disk (write-protected, of course) - as the
>  PC on which I want to implement the idea is older and its BIOS does not
>  know to boot directly from CD-ROM.

Here you sat write protected.

> 4. Any files, which may have to be modified (such as network configuration
>  and firewall rules for ipchains), will be stored on the floppy disk.

Here you say not write protected.


Make up your mind ? :)

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Re: LOOKING FOR GOOD BOOKS ON LINUX AND POSIX PROGRAMING IN ISRAEL.........

2000-11-28 Thread Daniel Feiglin

Oded Avrishami wrote:
> 
> HELLO 2 U ALL FRICKS.
> For a long time I'm tring to find good books that tells u everything about
> linux programing in C,
> ASSEMBLER, that will teach u how to use the linux OS, and also will explane
> XWINDOWS AND POSIX programing.
> 
> This is not relevent but I know u all fricks know about that :
> I also tried for a long time to find good books about the AMIGA ASSEMBLER
> and about graphic programming.
> 
> Can u PLEASE PLEASE  help me, I'm REALLY despret.
> 
> THANKS IN ADVANCE
> BEST REGARDS
> 
> =
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Base level C:
* The C Programming Language (2nd Ed.), Kernighan & Ritchie, Prentice Hall
Systems programming:
* Linux Application Development, Johnson & Troan, Addison Wesley
* Advanced Programming in a Unix Environment, Stevens, Addison Wesley
(He has two other sets of books on TCP/IP and Network programming, absolute must if 
that's your direction.)
* Programming with POSIX Threads, Butenhof, Addison Wesley
Internals, drivers: (These are a bit out of date, but good for background)
* Linux Kernel Internals, Beck et al., Addison Wesley
* Linux Device Drivers, Rubini, O'Reilly
Assembly language, MASM/ix86 style:
* Linux Assembly Language Programming, Neveln, Prentice Hall (A bit disappointing)
X Windows:
* Look at the O'Reilly X Windows Series (Motif editions), Vols 0-5, 6a&b, 8  + R6 
Supplement
These are also getting to be a bit long in the tooth, but are seminal. 
Use of Linux:
* Any of a zillion kilo-books of the "Howto" variety; most not very good & the best of 
them will just gather dust after
a few days/weeks/months of use. 

There must be other good stuff around, but that's what I use.

About the other topics - I dunno.

Hope that helps.

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A better Linux based firewall installation?

2000-11-28 Thread Omer Zak

I have the following idea for a Linux based firewall, which will hopefully
make it safer to connect a LAN to the Internet.

1. The firewall will be a dedicated machine.
2. Its root filesystem and all software will be burned in a CD-ROM.  The
   other filesystems (floppy and hard disk) will be mounted.
3. It will boot from a floppy disk (write-protected, of course) - as the
   PC on which I want to implement the idea is older and its BIOS does not
   know to boot directly from CD-ROM.
4. Any files, which may have to be modified (such as network configuration
   and firewall rules for ipchains), will be stored on the floppy disk.
5. The PC in question has memory and hard disk - the hard disk will be
   used only for logfiles and temporary files - nothing permanent needs to
   be stored in it or executed from it.

The advantage is that even if the root is compromised, the cracker's
ability to inflict actual damage will be limited.

The question - did anyone already do something similar?
If yes, can he/she share with me any tips on how to actually do this, and
if and which problems am I likely to face while trying to pull off this
feat?
And - is there anything which may prevent me from reaching the ideal of
inability to break into the internal LAN even if the cracker is logged in
as root?

By the way, the organization, which needs a firewall, has a CD-RW drive -
but it is installed in a MS-Windows NT machine.
Is there anything special I have to do to be able to burn ISO9660
compatible CD-ROMs (so that Linux can mount them without problems) on a
MS-Windows NT machine?  (the machine has plenty of hard disk space, so it
is possible to build a CD-ROM image before burning, if necessary). 

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Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Herouth Maoz

On Tuesday 28 November 2000 22:15, Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:

> You answer your own question. The double reply is for folks who post
> to lists to which they do not subscribe. Think about it.

Also to people who subscribe in digest mode, and may want to have an 
immediate reply when they ask a question.

BTW, my e-mailer is KMail. It has reply and reply-to-all. How many 
people use Mutt anyway?

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Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Guy Cohen

Oleg Goldshmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> How does mutt know what is list and what is a person?
> 

Good point, i have forgot that.
in .muttrc put a line start with:
lists . For example i have there:
lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
etc.
This will also put the name of the list in the pager instead of the sender name,which 
personaly i find very usefull

Guy

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Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Nadav Har'El

And just when we thought the reply-to thread was dead for good ;)


On Tue, Nov 28, 2000, Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote about "Re: OT: To: & Cc:":
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Guy Cohen wrote:
> 
> > I been away from the list for a while and beed reading the list again
>   ~
> > for the last few days. I could not help but noticing pepoel reply
> > to mails to the sender _and_ to the list, and i ask you why ?
> > In mutt you press the "L" for replying only to the list, so is that
> > so hard to do that instead of typing the "g" for global reply ?
> > I'm quite sure pine, elm, or any other mailer have a group reply only
> > botton/function. So why don't use that ?

In my version of mutt (and probably yours too...), using "L" requires you
to list each and every mailing list you subscribe to in special directives
in the muttrc file. This is problematic in two ways:

 1. Most people don't know how to use this feature, so "L" doesn't work
for them, so they use "g", which does work. Pure and simple - the less
straightforward a feature is, the less people will use it.

 2. The lists mentioned on these directives have other side-effects besides
making "L" work. The most annoying side-effect (for me) is that for every
mailing list message, in the message list, you see the mailing list name
instead of the poster's name. For people that don't have email filtering
this is actually good, but for me it is very bad - I have a seperate
folder for linux-il, and it doesn't help much when each and every message
there is labled "linux-il" rather then by the poster's name! Perhaps
there's a way to circumvent this problem, but I didn't bother to waste
my time on this, because linux-il is one of the very few mailing lists
that have this problem, and because the "g" solution works.

> > Guy
> > 
> > P.S. now if someone reply to this, i just wondar how it will be done (L/g) ?.

Like 95% of the people on this list, I replied with "g"...

> You answer your own question. The double reply is for folks who post to
> lists to which they do not subscribe. Think about it.

I don't think this is true. Most lists (I'm not sure if linux-il is like that)
don't even allow people to post without subscribing first. This makes a lot
of sense - it is very rude to "shout" a question in a mailing list, and then
instead of hanging around the list to read the replies, you run away and
expect that people find you themselves. So after you write a question in
a mailing list (or newsgroup) good nettiquette requires you to stay on that
mailing list (or newsgroup) and read the discussion that results from it.
Requests like "please reply directly to me because I don't have time to read
this list" are generally frowned-upon and ignored.

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Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt

Guy Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I been away from the list for a while and beed reading the list again
> for the last few days. I could not help but noticing pepoel reply
> to mails to the sender _and_ to the list, and i ask you why ?
> In mutt you press the "L" for replying only to the list, so is that
> so hard to do that instead of typing the "g" for global reply ?
> I'm quite sure pine, elm, or any other mailer have a group reply only
> botton/function. So why don't use that ?

How does mutt know what is list and what is a person?

I am not aware of any function like that in gnus - my mail/news
reader of choice. This reply is sent with F - "wide reply", and
Guys personal email has been edited out by hand as a courtesy,
just this one time.

This has been discussed here several times. Ira (hello?) raised the
question in the past, IIRC. The issue is wider than one mailing list +
individual member addresses. Some individual addresses might belong to
people who are not on the list. A message can be cross-posted to
several lists. I am not going to spend time determining that and
editing the recipients' list by hand every time.

There are solutions though. The simplest for everybody running linux
(or UNIX, am I missing a relevant OS?) is given in "man procmailex":
put

  :0 Wh: msgid.lock
  | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache

in ~/.procmailrc. I *never* get a duplicate - cross-post at will! Some
mail readers (gnus among them) offer their own ways to deal with
duplicates, but procmail offers a solution independent of your choice
of mailer.

Another solution depends on the list admin(s): set up Reply-To to be
linux-il. Then hitting reply (not "wide reply" or "reply to all")
will do the right thing, except in those cases when you do want to
cross-post. If I am not mistaken, egroups (a.k.a. hackers-il) has
this feature. 

I hope this answers the question "why", and I hope the suggestions are
helpful.

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Re: OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Jonathan Ben-Avraham

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Guy Cohen wrote:

> I been away from the list for a while and beed reading the list again
  ~
> for the last few days. I could not help but noticing pepoel reply
> to mails to the sender _and_ to the list, and i ask you why ?
> In mutt you press the "L" for replying only to the list, so is that
> so hard to do that instead of typing the "g" for global reply ?
> I'm quite sure pine, elm, or any other mailer have a group reply only
> botton/function. So why don't use that ?
> 
> 
> Guy
> 
> P.S. now if someone reply to this, i just wondar how it will be done (L/g) ?.
> 
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You answer your own question. The double reply is for folks who post to
lists to which they do not subscribe. Think about it.

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OT: To: & Cc:

2000-11-28 Thread Guy Cohen

I been away from the list for a while and beed reading the list again
for the last few days. I could not help but noticing pepoel reply
to mails to the sender _and_ to the list, and i ask you why ?
In mutt you press the "L" for replying only to the list, so is that
so hard to do that instead of typing the "g" for global reply ?
I'm quite sure pine, elm, or any other mailer have a group reply only
botton/function. So why don't use that ?


Guy

P.S. now if someone reply to this, i just wondar how it will be done (L/g) ?.

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Re: How Do I Create Simplest Network: Win98 <-> Linux?

2000-11-28 Thread Sagi Bashari

should be easy..

check those howto's:
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Home-Network-mini-HOWTO.html
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO.html


if you still need help after you read them, email us =)

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Moses Ellias wrote:

>
> I am trying to set up the simplest network possible network connecting a
> Windows 98 machine with a Redhat 6.1 server machine.  In each machine I have
> a 3com 3c905c card connected by a cross cable.
>
> I am having a difficult time with this.  If there is anyone out there who
> can help me get through this I would be glad to pay if they succeed
> (Jerusalem preferred).  Needless to say my networking is not aye-aye-aye.
>
> Thanks,
> Moses
>
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Re: How Do I Create Simplest Network: Win98 <-> Linux?

2000-11-28 Thread Guy Cohen

Why pay for an answer you can get here, at linux-network mailling list
or any where else ?

If you would give some information about routing tables, ifconfigs output,
or any errors you can log to the list, i'm sure you'll solve it with no
problems.

Guy

Moses Ellias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to set up the simplest network possible network connecting a
> Windows 98 machine with a Redhat 6.1 server machine.  In each machine I have
> a 3com 3c905c card connected by a cross cable.
> 
> I am having a difficult time with this.  If there is anyone out there who
> can help me get through this I would be glad to pay if they succeed
> (Jerusalem preferred).  Needless to say my networking is not aye-aye-aye.
> 
> Thanks,
> Moses
> 
> 
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How Do I Create Simplest Network: Win98 <-> Linux?

2000-11-28 Thread Moses Ellias


I am trying to set up the simplest network possible network connecting a
Windows 98 machine with a Redhat 6.1 server machine.  In each machine I have
a 3com 3c905c card connected by a cross cable.

I am having a difficult time with this.  If there is anyone out there who
can help me get through this I would be glad to pay if they succeed
(Jerusalem preferred).  Needless to say my networking is not aye-aye-aye.

Thanks,
Moses


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Re: LOOKING FOR GOOD BOOKS ON LINUX AND POSIX PROGRAMING IN ISRAEL.........

2000-11-28 Thread Omer Musaev



Oded Avrishami wrote:

> HELLO 2 U ALL FRICKS.
> For a long time I'm tring to find good books that tells u everything about
> linux programing in C,
> ASSEMBLER, that will teach u how to use the linux OS, and also will explane
> XWINDOWS AND POSIX programing.

There is no such single book.
You can look at:
http://www.iglu.org.il:8080/Zen/BookList


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LOOKING FOR GOOD BOOKS ON LINUX AND POSIX PROGRAMING IN ISRAEL.........

2000-11-28 Thread Oded Avrishami

HELLO 2 U ALL FRICKS.
For a long time I'm tring to find good books that tells u everything about
linux programing in C,
ASSEMBLER, that will teach u how to use the linux OS, and also will explane
XWINDOWS AND POSIX programing.

This is not relevent but I know u all fricks know about that :
I also tried for a long time to find good books about the AMIGA ASSEMBLER
and about graphic programming.

Can u PLEASE PLEASE  help me, I'm REALLY despret.

THANKS IN ADVANCE
BEST REGARDS



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need mamadrake 72 have cdr .help me please.

2000-11-28 Thread peter7



 


Re: StarOffice 5.2 CD?

2000-11-28 Thread Gavrie Philipson

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Did any of you check on the freeware version, on www.openoffice.org, and
> decided that it's not enough?
> I havn't looked there myself (yet), but I was under the impression that
> they released as freeware all of the latest closed-source (5.2?) version.
> BTW, I have a CD of 5.1, if that helps. I don't remember where or when I
> got it, but it was for free (i.e. it is legal to duplicate).

Didi,

OpenOffice is not ready for prime time yet. For example, its printing
subsystem doesn't work correctly, and it has no spell checker.
I might be nice when it will be developed further, but currently it's
far from SO5.2's usability.

About the 5.1 CD -- I also have it, and the Schedule server from 5.1
doesn't work with 5.2 as a client. Going back to 5.1 as a client is not
an option.

Gavrie.

-- 
Gavrie Philipson
Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd.

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