Re: ADSL questions
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From: "Dani Arbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tomer:
1) This 64Kbs upstream limit was not implemented yet.
I read opinions to the contrary on Bezeq's ADSL forum. most of the people
there doesn't strike me at too technical persons, but their description of
upload and download rates suggests that Bezeq do implement the 64k limit.
Bezeq's sales person verified this (but what do they know, right ? :-), said
that upgrading will be possible later, said it's not available right now and
refused to comment on a time frame in which it will be available or how much
it will cost (though, again, the ADSL forum on Bezeq's site suggested 200
NIS for aditional 64k a month as a nice round figure - seems way too
expensive to me).
2) Normal ratio for home user d/l:u/l is 10:1 , so this 64Kbs u/l limit is
equvivalent to 640 Kbs d/l. ou do not get this with ISDN.
Could you explain the last sentence, please ? what can't I get with an ISDN,
the download rate ?
I know I can't get that with an ISDN, but I'm not a normal home user - I
have a web server which I would like to have maximum upstream rate for. a
typical use for me (since I don't get home much ;-) would be a much higher
upload then download.
A summary of costs (please correct me if I'm wrong):
ISDN - one time:
ISDN card (400~800 NIS)
ISDN line installation (~1000 NIS)
ISDN - monthly:
Bezeq maintainance (90 NIS)
Bezeq usage (monthly flat for internet - 100NIS)
ISP (monthly flat 128k - 90 NIS)
total monthly - 280 NIS
ADSL - one time:
ADSL installation (~450 NIS)
ADSL - monthly:
Bezeq maintainance (45 NIS) {for the normal Bezeq line the ADSL uses}
ISP (monthly flat - ~180NIS) {assuming double what I currenlty pay for ISDN.
I'm hopeful it wouldn't be that much}
total monthly - ~230 NIS (limited to 64k u/l)
these figures suggest that I should move to ADSL, as the aditional cost of
an ISDN card (I already have a line) would pay it self in over a year (and I
never plan that far ahead :-). on the other hand, as I understand,
downgrading my line from ISDN to a normal line also costs, which might
change the whole picture.
Thanks for going off-topic :-)
Oded
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Re: ADSL questions
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Oded Arbel wrote:
Bezeq's sales person verified this (but what do they know, right ? :-), said
that upgrading will be possible later, said it's not available right now and
refused to comment on a time frame in which it will be available or how much
it will cost (though, again, the ADSL forum on Bezeq's site suggested 200
NIS for aditional 64k a month as a nice round figure - seems way too
expensive to me).
too expensive - why? remember that upstream speeds are competing with
their frame-relay/sifranet rates, so there is no reason for them to give
you this feature at a low price as for the incoming stream's price.
2) Normal ratio for home user d/l:u/l is 10:1 , so this 64Kbs u/l limit is
equvivalent to 640 Kbs d/l. ou do not get this with ISDN.
Could you explain the last sentence, please ? what can't I get with an ISDN,
the download rate ?
yes, ofcourse he was refering to the download rate. and think about it -
you _might_ also want to use the line for downloading too, won't you?
don't you have other machines at the same location that will be used for
downloading (browsing, email, whatever)?
[some text sniped...]
ISDN - one time:
ISDN card (400~800 NIS)
ISDN line installation (~1000 NIS)
does that include the various deals that ISP give, that can help you
reduce costs, or those deals work only if you pay ahead for 1-3 years?
ISDN - monthly:
Bezeq maintainance (90 NIS)
Bezeq usage (monthly flat for internet - 100NIS)
ISP (monthly flat 128k - 90 NIS)
90 NIS for 128k(!) ISDN? that means about 20$? then how much do they
charge for 64k ISDN?
total monthly - 280 NIS
ADSL - one time:
ADSL installation (~450 NIS)
ADSL - monthly:
Bezeq maintainance (45 NIS) {for the normal Bezeq line the ADSL uses}
ISP (monthly flat - ~180NIS) {assuming double what I currenlty pay for ISDN.
I'm hopeful it wouldn't be that much}
total monthly - ~230 NIS (limited to 64k u/l)
you forgot that the normal monthly fee of bezek is 149 NIS for an ADSL
link (this, as explained in the newspaper lately, includes the normal
line's maintanance fee). so the 45 NIS fee above should be changed to 149
NIS (150 NIS in your rouding-speak), thus the total monthly is about 335
NIS.
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Re: Mustek scanner
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any experience - good or bad - with the Mustek 1200 USB Scanner in Linux? It is not supported, as Mustek doesn't release any information about it. If you looked anywhere (e.g. at linux/Documentation/usb/scanner.txt) and found it 'supported', this doesn't mean anything: like CDRs, every scanner has it's own protocol. You need the support in SANE, and you don't (yet, hopefully). In short, It's quite a good scanner, and quite cheap, but they do not mind linux at all. Don't buy it, unless for Windows. didi TIA //- Shlomo Solomon E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://come.to/shlomo.solomon Date: 16-Dec-2000 Time: 21:48:59 Message sent by XFMail on a LINUX Mandrake 7.2 machine //- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew lecture
Hi all The sixth lecture in the "Welcome to Linux" lecture series will be held Tommorow, Monday 18.12.2000, at the Technion CS department Auditorium 1. Subject of the lecture is "Hebrew in Linux" * Font settings * Keyboard mapping * bidirectional Hebrew , ;-) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Welcome To Linux: Hebrew (fwd)
hi, the haifa linux club (haifux) will be presenting a lecture on Hebrew in Linux tomorrow in the technion, as part of its Welcome to Linux series. You are one and all invited! -- mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:47:26 +0200 (IST) From: mulix [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Welcome To Linux: Hebrew This is a reminder about this week's "Welcome to Linux" lecture. As promised, we're sending this reminder to all people that gave us their e-mail address. The lecture will be carried at 18:30 on monday, 18-dec-2000, at hall 1 in the new TAUB Computer science building in the Technion. Lecture's Topic: "Hebrew". The slides this lecture will be available online on the club's website, at: http://linuxclub.il.eu.org/newcomers/timetable.html Note - if you wish to stop getting these reminders, please write back to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we will remove you from the list. see you there, -Haifux's teaching team = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew lecture
Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sixth lecture in the "Welcome to Linux" lecture series will be held Tommorow, Monday 18.12.2000, at the Technion CS department Auditorium 1. What hour? Will the notes be available? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | Comgates Ltd. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft; And wit depends on dilatory time." = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew lecture
18:30. Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Logic is in the eye of the logician" -Gloria Steinem On 17 Dec 2000, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sixth lecture in the "Welcome to Linux" lecture series will be held Tommorow, Monday 18.12.2000, at the Technion CS department Auditorium 1. What hour? Will the notes be available? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | Comgates Ltd. | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft; And wit depends on dilatory time." To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/iglu@iglu.org.il/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bidi mozilla again
there is a BIDI cvs tree for mozilla which is preety advanced and not broken take a look at it Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: | On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 09:13:10PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: | Anybody wants to try to build this and (hopefully) give us a build of | mozilla with logical hebrew support for linux? | | The other day I asked Mike Kaply (mkaply on irc.mozila.org #mozilla) | from IBM to pack those sources. After 39MB of annoying download, the | whole thing was broken (Windows CR-LF all around?). | I told him about it and asked to repackage a working thing again. | | As to the attitude of the Mozilla people towards the BiDi work, | they'll much sooner include exotic things like MathML than standard | HTML 4.0 features such as BiDi. It's simply on nobody's priorities | there in the US. I wonder if we should start a major Bugzilla issue | and make everyone vote for it, or maybe just flood Bugzilla with | bugs such as "msn.co.il displays reversed" ? | | -- | Best regards, | Ilya Konstantinov | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Triple Triplicates (was: Re: hebrew lecture)
Since I am subscribed to both Linux-IL, IGLU and Ivrix mailing lists, I received the Hebrew Lecture Announcement (henceforth to be referred to as HLA (TM)) in triplicate. I also received subsequent discussion in triplicate. And I am sure that several people will receive this followup in triplicate. Any PRACTICAL ideas how to cut down this triplication? --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. The former IGLU members were flooded by E-mail from 37 Israeli/Hebrew Linux related mailing lists, to which the subscribers cross-posted in the ultimate possible way. Only after the IGLU Cabal was disbanded, were 34 mailing lists shut down. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html On 17 Dec 2000, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sixth lecture in the "Welcome to Linux" lecture series will be held Tommorow, Monday 18.12.2000, at the Technion CS department Auditorium 1. What hour? Will the notes be available? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Triple Triplicates (was: Re: hebrew lecture)
Any PRACTICAL ideas how to cut down this triplication? Start by NEVER sending mail to both IGLU and linux-il, IGLU is a subset of linux-il for planning activities, therefore all mail sent to linux-il is automatically read by all iglu members, no need to mail both. In addition announcments should never be sent to IGLU. Ivrix should decide whether they subset Linux-il, or they just have few common memebers that will suffer duplications. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Triple Triplicates (was: Re: hebrew lecture)
On Sun, Dec 17, 2000, Omer Zak wrote about "Triple Triplicates (was: Re: hebrew lecture)": Since I am subscribed to both Linux-IL, IGLU and Ivrix mailing lists, I received the Hebrew Lecture Announcement (henceforth to be referred to as HLA (TM)) in triplicate. I also received subsequent discussion in triplicate. And I am sure that several people will receive this followup in triplicate. Any PRACTICAL ideas how to cut down this triplication? Here's another message you'll be recieving 3 (or maybe even 4!) times :) In my opinion this "triplication" isn't a terrible thing - each of the mailing lists I subscribe to goes to a different folder, and the fact that a copy of the same message goes to each of these folders is very helpful in keeping a sensible message order when I read the folder of one mailing list. But if you really want to cut this triplication to zero, you (or actually the entire community) will need to choose one of two options: 1. Move all the discussion about *everything* to linux-il. This includes Hebrew, Haifa Linux club, and everything. 2. Have seperate lists for seperate issues: send Hebrew stuff to ivrix-discuss, Haifa-club stuff to that mailing list, and so on. This solution is sort-of working right now, though some people seem not to like it, and split the Hebrew discussions between linux-il and ivrix-discuss (or crosspost to both). Another solution to get rid of "triplication", a technological solution (instead of the "sociological" solution above), is to use a procmail filter to get rid of duplicate messages. The following solution is suggested in the 'procmailex' manual (see that manual for other variants): :0 Whc: msgid.lock | formail -D 4096 $HOME/msgid.cache :0 a: duplicates -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Dec 17 2000, 21 Kislev 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |I want to live forever or die in the http://nadav.harel.org.il |attempt. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
