GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
On Saturday 01 June 2002 02:41, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding
too much) He _is_ right. The day this will happen a big part of freedom
will be ported to win32 platform.
It is legally possible to port GPLed software to Win32. In fact, this has
happened with Cygnus and Friends. This is in a similar spirit to the fact
that GPLed software can be run on proprietary UNIXes.
i was joking. what i meant was that gpl software can be reproduced freely,
while those packages (build open free sources) are not freely available. If
indeed i missread th gpl, kde/gnome duds can not give authorization to that
distros to distribute their packages (something like Linus does not bother
about binary-only kernel modules, even that it violates gpl).
If the packages are distributed under the GPL (in some public way - say
on an FTP site), then they have no way of doing that. If the distributor
(say Caldera) respects the GPL (i.e: supplies the source and lets you
re-distribute the packages themselves) then there's nothing that can
legally been done about GPL software being a part of a proprietary
licensed software. The only think the GPL restricts is linking against
non-GPL compatible code.
Linus Torvalds can allow proprietary modules for the Linux kernel, but
someone can fork the codebase, and then decide not to allow that.
Proprietary modules are allowed due to a general consensos among the
kernel developers.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
what will be
next: per seat or per server licenses in kcontrol?
talking about free win32 software: here is the url for kde 2.2 for windows
(beta 1):
http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net
- diego
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Re: RMS is back again
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 01:26:03AM +0300, Christoph Bugel wrote: On 2002-05-31, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the FSF founder. Now he condemns the UnitedLinux (Suse, Turbo Linux, Mandrake and others joined forces). What next ? Maybe you should explain *why* you disagree with RMS. I think RMS is right. I should've done this last night, instead of just plonking Eliran the cretin. ..___... ../|../|..|..|.. ..||__||..|..Please.do...|.. ./...O.O\__.NOT..|.. /..\...feed..|.. .../..\.\...the.trolls...|.. ../..._\.\.__|.. ./|\\.\.||.. /.|.|.|.|\/.||.. .../...\|_|_|/...|__||.. ../../..\||.||.. ./...|...|./||..--|. .|...|...|//.|..--|. ..*._|..|_|_|_|..|.\-/.. ...*--._--\._.\.//...|.. ./.._.\\._.//...|/.. ...*../...\_./-.|.-.|...|... .*..___.c_c_c_C/.\C_c_c_c... -- Hevensday 10 Forelithe 7466 http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ msg19719/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: RMS is back again
- Original Message - From: Christoph Bugel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eliran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: Re: RMS is back again On 2002-05-31, Eliran wrote: Well, here is another response of Richard M. Stallman the FSF founder. Now he condemns the UnitedLinux (Suse, Turbo Linux, Mandrake and others joined forces). What next ? Maybe you should explain *why* you disagree with RMS. I think RMS is right. I didn't say I disagree with RMS, I just want to see your opinions about it. I'm neutral BTW, Mandrake is not part of UL. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OO rpms and rh7.3 problems, any srpms ?
hi i have downloaded OO's rpms from http://www.iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/OpenOffice/ installing them i get : erez@erez ~==# rpm -Uvh bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5.i386.rpm libstlport4.5gcc3-4.5.3-5.i386.rpm error: failed dependencies: libgcc_s.so.1 is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 libstdc++.so.3 is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0) is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 libgcc_s.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by bidi-openoffice.org-1.0.0-5 libgcc_s.so.1 is needed by libstlport4.5gcc3-4.5.3-5 libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0) is needed by libstlport4.5gcc3-4.5.3-5 libgcc_s.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) is needed by libstlport4.5gcc3-4.5.3-5 I looked at the mailing list and found no solution fro this. can someone compile it for rh7.3 ? or can someoune give the SRPMS ( so i will be able to compile ? ) regards erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO rpms and rh7.3 problems, any srpms ?
erez i posted myself the solution for it when the rpms just came out u need to upgrade 2 rpms to - libsdtc++3-3.0.4-1 and libgcc-3.0.4-1 thats it. good luck I looked at the mailing list and found no solution fro this. can someone compile it for rh7.3 ? or can someoune give the SRPMS ( so i will be able to compile ? ) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
On Saturday 01 June 2002 02:41, Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote:
job job, someone has to speak for those who cannt ('cause they are coding
too much) He _is_ right. The day this will happen a big part of freedom
will be ported to win32 platform.
It is legally possible to port GPLed software to Win32. In fact, this has
happened with Cygnus and Friends. This is in a similar spirit to the fact
that GPLed software can be run on proprietary UNIXes.
i was joking. what i meant was that gpl software can be reproduced freely,
while those packages (build open free sources) are not freely available. If
indeed i missread th gpl, kde/gnomeduds can not give authorization to that
distros to distribute their packages (something like Linus does not bother
about binary-only kernel modules, even that it violates gpl).
If the packages are distributed under the GPL (in some public way - say
on an FTP site), then they have no way of doing that. If the distributor
(say Caldera) respects the GPL (i.e: supplies the source and lets you
re-distribute the packages themselves) then there's nothing that can
legally been done about GPL software being a part of a proprietary
licensed software. The only think the GPL restricts is linking against
non-GPL compatible code.
Linus Torvalds can allow proprietary modules for the Linux kernel, but
someone can fork the codebase, and then decide notto allow that.
Proprietary modules are allowed due to a general consensos among the
kernel developers.
There is one difference between the two packages:
KDE and gnome are distributed under the gnu (L?)GPL. Anybody can
redistribute blablabla etc.
The linux kernel is licensed under a license that is not exactly the GPL.
It is the GPL with an extra clause that allows binary modules (to allow
support of certain kinds of hardware, and with certain limitations, but
this is really *not* the place to discuss them).
TurboLinux, Caldera and SuSE (I don't know about Connectiva) redistribute
GPLed software, BUT...
They also bundle this software with their own installers (that probably do
a pretty good job, otherwise people woldn't have bought them). The whole
distribution is not published under the GPL or any similar license.
So legally all they have to make sure is that all of their packages (or at
least, the GPLed and LGPLed ones), including the source, are publicly
available from their FTP site (they actually could get away with less,but
there are practical reason for that)
Don't like this? choose a different distro. Mandrake, Redhat and Debian,
for instance, are distros that are completely free (installer and
packageing under the GPL or something very similar).
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Re: OO rpms and rh7.3 problems, any srpms ?
dont think that I am not happy for those binaries, but I would like it if anyone could build then on an old distro. since libgcc1, needs gcc3-base, and I like gcc 2.95... - diego On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:45, Barak Kaufman wrote: erez i posted myself the solution for it when the rpms just came out u need to upgrade 2 rpms to - libsdtc++3-3.0.4-1 and libgcc-3.0.4-1 thats it. good luck I looked at the mailing list and found no solution fro this. can someone compile it for rh7.3 ? or can someoune give the SRPMS ( so i will be able to compile ? ) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry, and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why, and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question How can we eat? the second by Why do we eat? and the third by Where shall we have lunch?. -- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers-il] Yet Another Hacktivity - An RPM Spec file forbuilding Fortune Collections
Doing something quite unprecedented: taking a thread frm hackers-il to
linux-il, as it is getting too technical ;-)
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Included below is an RPM Spec for building a collection of fortune files.
It is specific to my collection, but hopefully can be customized to other
sources with relative ease.
I plan to use it as the basis for my fortune2rpm hack, which I have some
great plans for.
Shlomi Fish
###
# Base Macros which need to be set
%define packageprefix fortune-mod-fortunes
%define packagebase shlomif
%define archivebase fortunes-shlomif
%define version 0.2.2
%define fortunefilesprefix shlomif-
# Derived Macros
%define name %{packageprefix}-%{packagebase}
%define archivewithver %{archivebase}-%{version}
%define archivefull %{archivewithver}.tar.gz
This appears to be slightly over-complecated. consider ranamin the tarball
or the package so they'll havethe same name.
Another note: you package has /usr and /usr/share hardwired . One thing
you should consider paramterising is the pathes insidethe package:
%define fortunedatadir %{_altdatadir}/games/fortune
(I probably got the alias of /usr/share wrong, see /usr/lib/rpm/macros)
even though nobody needs to put the fortune files elsewhere on a decent
linux system, youcan never know when can this come in handy.
Name: %{name}
Version: %{version}
Release: 6
Copyright: Free to use but restricted
Hmm... what restrictions? Do you have a LICENSE file there? Maybe mention
that in the Licene header?
Group: Toys
Do you want to add a 'Packager:' header here?
I would advise against this. Add it to your rpmmacros.
Source: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/humour/fortunes/%{archivefull}
BuildArch: noarch
Buildroot: %{_tmppath}/%{name}-root
URL: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/humour/fortunes/
Serial: 1
Requires: fortune-mod
Summary: Shlomi Fish' Collection of Fortune Cookies
IMHO you should make that:
Fortune cookies collection by Shlomi Fish
It is shorter, and puts the important thing (functionally) first
%description
This package contains several collections of fortune cookies by Shlomi Fish.
Namely, a collection of his own quotes, some of his favourites from various sources;
a collectionof excerpts from the T.V. Show Friends; the Rules of Open
That's a line longer than 80 chars . Keep lines shrter than 80 chars and
seperate paragraphs with an empty lines.
Source Programming, and a collection of reasons why there is no iglu cabal.
%prep
%setup -n %{archivewithver}
%build
myprefix=%{fortunefilesprefix}
rm -f *.dat
ls | grep -v \\. | grep -v [A-Z] | \
( while read T ; do\
mv $T ${myprefix}$T ; \
/usr/sbin/strfile ${myprefix}$T ${myprefix}$T.dat ;\
Does you packge BuildRequire-s /usr/sbin/strfile ? (from which package is
it, anyway?)
done )
%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
mkdir $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
for dir in usr usr/share usr/share/games usr/share/games/fortunes ; do
mkdir $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/$dir
done
# This will only work in bash and friends.
The script is run with /bin/sh . This is bash on most linux systems,but
can be ash ;-)
use 'mkdir -p'
simply 'mkdir -p ${RPM_BUILD_ROOT}/usr/share/games/fortunes
for I in *.dat ; do
cp $I ${I%%.dat} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/share/games/fortunes
done
%post
%postun
You don't have to put an empty %post and %postun . Simply remove those
%files
%defattr(-,root,root)
/usr/share/games/fortunes/*
No docs at all, not even a README?
in the prep:
cat EOF README
This package contains BLABLABLA
EOF
in %files
$doc README
%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
%changelog
* Fri May 31 2002 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.2.2-2
- Added macros all over the place
* Thu May 30 2002 Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.2.2-1
- first release - testing.
Good to see that this part has not been neglected
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Windows Gaming In Linux With WineX 2.0
Hi there As I told some of you some time ago - one of the (very few) reasons which I still keep Windows (XP) in my computer, dual booted with Linux, is because of the games (or, lack of good DirectX support in Linux). I personally, can't have a little break once in a few days with a good game of Fifa 2002, for instance, which I can't get, unfortunatley, in Linux. Well, it looks like things are about to change. As I read the article with the written title (the link is below), I was very happy to read that WineX 2.0 does give a very good support for DirectX games. In the article you will find some introduction to the problem (DirectX without Windows), the test setup (tested with an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor and 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM, and a Geforce 3 Ti 200 graphics card), and the benchmarks, detailed, with different resolutions and games (Quake 3 and Max Payne). Still, in some resolutions (especially the higher ones), the frames-per-second performances are dropping to 33%-50% in Linux, but it looks like it's going in the right way. I believe that it will interest even the ones who don't take their breaktimes with games from time to time :) Here is the link: http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/index.html Enjoy reading! -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL Nuances [was Re: RMS is back again]
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't like this? choose a different distro. Mandrake, Redhat and Debian, .. Some of the software contained in those distributions is not free (e.g: Netscape 4.72). But the distribution as a whole is. I don't know about Mandrake/Red Hat, but this is simply not true for Debian. The Debian operating system *does not* include any non-DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines) Free software. If such software allows redistribution, Debian allows it to be uploaded to non-free as a service to our users. However, this does *not* mean that it somehow becomes a part of the Debian operating system. Only what is in main and main/non-US is a part of the Debian operating system. Here is a quote from the Debian Social Contract, available at http://www.debian.org/social_contract ''' 1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software We promise to keep the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution entirely free software. As there are many definitions of free software, we include the guidelines we use to determine if software is free below. We will support our users who develop and run non-free software on Debian, but we will never make the system depend on an item of non-free software. ... 5. Programs That Don't Meet Our Free-Software Standards We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of programs that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We have created contrib and non-free areas in our FTP archive for this software. The software in these directories is not part of the Debian system, although it has been configured for use with Debian. ''' The DFSG is available at the same URL. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
{KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
Is there such a thing as full free down loadable {KDE,GNOME} iso images
for MS environment? By full I mean images that include that environment
office suite, a web browser, development tools, documentation, all the
other applications and the sources.
If yes,
Should IGLU have such images available? (No: this is not for Linux and
beside there is not enough disk space. Yes: having a similar desk top
environment is likely to promote the linux-il interests.)
Do universities have such images?
Are locally made CDs out of those images available?
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Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shaul Karl wrote:
Is there such a thing as full free down loadable {KDE,GNOME} iso images
for MS environment? By full I mean images that include that environment
office suite, a web browser, development tools, documentation, all the
other applications and the sources.
Have a look at http://www.theopencd.org
kde/cygwin is not part of their schedule at the moment. I have no idea if
native gnome on win32 is anywhere near usability (or exists)
If yes,
Should IGLU have such images available? (No: this is not for Linux and
beside there is not enough disk space. Yes: having a similar desk top
environment is likely to promote the linux-il interests.)
Do universities have such images?
Are locally made CDs out of those images available?
I personally think this is worth the space. If and when, and if the space
is available :-(
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Re: OO rpms and rh7.3 problems, any srpms ?
well if u like 2.95 u can rebuild the rpms (:P) but as far as i remember rh 7.3 includes the libraries for gcc3 so u shouldnt have dependancies problems trying to install the rpms i gave ... On Saturday 01 June 2002 16:18, you wrote: dont think that I am not happy for those binaries, but I would like it if anyone could build then on an old distro. since libgcc1, needs gcc3-base, and I like gcc 2.95... - diego Barak Kaufman Customer Support Manager Oz-Tech Information Systems To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shaul Karl wrote: If yes, Should IGLU have such images available? (No: this is not for Linux and beside there is not enough disk space. Yes: having a similar desk top environment is likely to promote the linux-il interests.) this is not linux software, and i don't think we have a mandate to put windows software on iglu, even if it seems to match 'the cause', for some people. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shaul Karl wrote: If yes, Should IGLU have such images available? (No: this is not for Linux and beside there is not enough disk space. Yes: having a similar desk top environment is likely to promote the linux-il interests.) this is not linux software, and i don't think we have a mandate to put windows software on iglu, even if it seems to match 'the cause', for some people. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy 1. I can think of only 2 groups to consider when talking about the mandate: linux-il, that is its members, and the sponsors. Are there more/other? 2. I am aware to only one restriction on the server: it should run RH. What other restrictions are there? Were you implying to something other then the restrictions on the use of the server? 3. I believe that this discussion might quickly lead to the question of what are the criteria for which software is acceptable on iglu. Assuming that the only criteria is that it should be `Linux related' one answer might be that the question is premature and can be left unanswered for now. The circumstances might be a lot different when it will be up to date. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDsout of those images?
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shaul Karl wrote: On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Shaul Karl wrote: If yes, Should IGLU have such images available? (No: this is not for Linux and beside there is not enough disk space. Yes: having a similar desk top environment is likely to promote the linux-il interests.) this is not linux software, and i don't think we have a mandate to put windows software on iglu, even if it seems to match 'the cause', for some people. -- guy [... snipped ...] 3. I believe that this discussion might quickly lead to the question of what are the criteria for which software is acceptable on iglu. May I suggest that people re-read Orwell's Animal Farm, and then decide where to draw the line. By suitable choice of methods of twisting the meaning of words, it is possible to legitimize putting Microsoft's free software (such as IE) on IGLU servers. An alternative, which I like better, is for someone (not me, I am now busy going to demonstrations to secure higher quality of life for the deaf in Israel) to start a project, like Ivrix, which will focus on support of transition from MS-Windows (of all flavors) to Linux. Such a project will make it easy for people to get copies, opinions, discussions and advice concerning software like VMWare, Wine, MS-Windows ports of AbiWord, and the like. --- Omer There is no single IGLU Cabal. It made more sense to have several independent projects, each of which having its own czar. The deaf in Israel demand 100% captions of boring Hebrew langauge movies, lousy Israeli TV programs and non-funny Israeli-produced cable TV comedies. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
kde/cygwin is not part of their schedule at the moment. I have no idea if native gnome on win32 is anywhere near usability (or exists) There won't be a full native KDE for windows because QT for windows is only available for commercial customers. There is a free version, but the license is not allowing you to use GPL code to compile with it - and I think for a reason - Trolltech wants to make their money from QT Windows - and it's their right. There is a KDE for cygwin - but cygwin is a huge layer on top of windows if you're installing it, and I don't think it worths it. There is somewhere a GNOME for WIndows, but it was done as a proof-of-concept as far as I know, not something to replace your Windows GUI. You may want to look at winblind or something like that - I think they got a KDE theme... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Gaming In Linux With WineX 2.0
On Saturday 01 June 2002 17:40, Adir Abraham wrote: test setup (tested with an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor and 256MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM, and a Geforce 3 Ti 200 graphics card), and the benchmarks, detailed, with different resolutions and games (Quake 3 and Max Payne). Still, in some resolutions (especially the higher ones), the frames-per-second performances are dropping to 33%-50% in Linux, but it looks like it's going in the right way. I believe that it will interest even the ones who don't take their breaktimes with games from time to time so if i do not have a extramly fast machine I will not be able to play? does it mean that windos is faster then linux? so I need to play older games, since the newest one will need 85-90% of my cpu, while on linux I can only give ~60-75%? that means that windows is better then linux for an avarage person. not good. what happened to looki? Will I be able to play CC renegade nativly? winex means that I need to pay for the game and the winex layer. more money, but still less then a windows license, and again that money will go to invest in better hardware. - diego -- Four be the things I am wiser to know: Idleness, sorrow, a friend, and a foe. Four be the things I'd been better without: Love, curiosity, freckles, and doubt. Three be the things I shall never attain: Envy, content, and sufficient champagne. Three be the things I shall have till I die: Laughter and hope and a sock in the eye. -- Dorothy Parker, Inventory [or Not so Deep as a Well?] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Gaming In Linux With WineX 2.0
so if i do not have a extramly fast machine I will not be able to play? does it mean that windos is faster then linux? so I need to play older games, since the newest one will need 85-90% of my cpu, while on linux I can only give ~60-75%? that means that windows is better then linux for an avarage person. not good. what happened to looki? Will I be able to play CC renegade nativly? winex means that I need to pay for the game and the winex layer. more money, but still less then a windows license, and again that money will go to invest in better hardware. No, you don't really need a fast machine, but you might need to disable some features (in Max Payne - triple buffer should be double buffer to run on WineX) etc... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ANN: syscalltrack v0.71 boxing iguana released
syscalltrack-0.71, the 7th _alpha_ release of the linux kernel system call tracker, is available. syscalltrack supports both version 2.4.x of the linux kernel. The current release contains some major enhancements, and various bug fixes and code cleanups. See details below. * What is syscalltrack? syscalltrack is a linux kernel module and supporting user space environment which allow interception, logging and possibly taking action upon system calls that match user defined criteria (syscalltrack can be thought of as a sophisticated, system wide strace). * Where can I get it? Information on syscalltrack is available on the project's homepage: http://syscalltrack.sourceforge.net, and in the project's file release. You can download the source directly from: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/syscalltrack/syscalltrack-0.71.tar.gz * Call for developers: The syscalltrack project is looking for developers, both for kernel space and user space. If you want to join in on the fun, get in touch with us on the syscalltrack-hackers mailing list (http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/syscalltrack-hackers). * License and NO Warrany syscalltrack is Free Software, licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2. The 'sct_ctrl_lib' library is licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL). syscalltrack is in _alpha_ stages and comes with NO warranty. If it breaks something, you get to keep all of the pieces. You have been warned (TM). Happy hacking and tracking! === Major new features for 0.71 (mostly a bug fix and cleanup release) -- * add a 'get rule count' and 'get rules' API to to the sct_ctrl_lib. 'get rule count' will return the number of currently registered rules, 'get rules' will return to user space from the kernel a linked list of the before and after rules for each system call. * Support for constants when specifying matching rules, for example, O_RDONLY, O_EXCL and friends for open(2). * Support for octal/hex numbers in filter expressions. * Support for specifying and printing multiplex syscall ids as syscall:func, for example 102:5 for accept(2). * Assorted internal cleanups, code refactoring, bug fixes and memory leaks plugged, too many to list here. Documentation and header file updates. See the ChangeLog for the gory details. === Major new features for 0.7 -- * Support for dynamic-cast of 'struct' syscall parameters when filtering based on them, and for logging. See the relevant section in doc/sct_config_manual.html for how to use this feature. Mostly useful now for checking struct parameters in socket calls, so now its possible to check if a client prorgam tries to connect to a given port or IP address, etc. * Support for 'fail syscall' actions - allows you to specify that a matching syscall invocation will prematurely return a given error code (or '0') before the system call is actually performed. Handle with care, as failing the wrong syscall invocations might render your system unuseable. Good usage example: TODO * Support for convenience-macros in rule config files. Currently supported macros include: - ipaddr(127.0.0.1) - translates an IP address to an unsigned long in network byte-order. - htons(7) - host to network byte-order for 'short' numbers. - usernametoid(root) - translates user name to UID. - groupnametoid(wheel) - translates group name to GID. * Experimental Device-driver control support - the syscalltrack kernel module can now be controlled via a device-file interface - specify -c device_file when running 'sct_config' to use it. The interface is currently functionaly-equivalent to the existing 'sysctl' interface - but it will be enhanced in the future to support logging via a device-file interface, getting rule list via the device-file interface, etc. * Support for 'log_format' definition per rule, to override the global 'log_format'. * Initial correctness-testing script added. Currently only runs 2 tests - will become more functional on the next release. * Support for new system calls - waitpid, close and creat. major bug fixes for version 0.7: * Fixes for white-space parsing in 'sct_config'. * Fix small memory leak when deserializing 'log' actions * Fix bug in the kernel module that would leave dangling function pointers in case a user cleared only the 'before' function pointer. This bug wasn't triggered, since sct_config always erased _all_ rules, causing this code path to remain yet unused. -- Mersday 11 Forelithe 7466 http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ msg19738/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
A free version of the source I presume. I didn't understand the sentence about not allowing to compile with GPL code. Were you trying to say that you are not allowed to run a GPLed compiler on this free source code? There's a version for non commercial which can be used for 30 days, and I've seen somewhere a free (non GPL'd version) of QT. Both are not open sourced (you get libraries and headers) and you'll need either borland C++ or Visual Studio to compile it. Go ahead and try to compile KDE against any version of those compiler. heck - lets see you passing the automake/autoconf script ;) There is a KDE for cygwin - but cygwin is a huge layer on top of windows if you're installing it, and I don't think it worths it. Why not? Selling a full application suite for Windows (maybe only for home users of Windows) for 100 NIS looks attractive to me. In addition to home users I would try to sell such a suite to the Education ministry. This would also require support so looks like there is a chance to do some business here. However what do you mean by KDE for cygwin? Doesn't any native Linux application can run on cygwin out of the tar ball? No, it needs to be recompiled. Cygwin gives you a unix like enviroment, but it's totally incompatible (binary sense) from Linux native, so you'll have to recompile KDE from scratch or get KDE 2.2.1 for Cygwin. (there is no KDE 3.0 for cygwin yet) Hetz If Cygwin gives a unix like environment what are the problems with recompiling KDE 3.0 from scratch? Alternatively, what are the differences between the source of KDE 2.2.1 for Cygwin and (the source of) KDE 2.2.1 for Linux? -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDsout of those images?
On Sun, 2 Jun 2002, Shaul Karl wrote: If Cygwin gives a unix like environment what are the problems with recompiling KDE 3.0 from scratch? Alternatively, what are the differences between the source of KDE 2.2.1 for Cygwin and (the source of) KDE 2.2.1 for Linux? http://kde-cygwin.sf.net/ They currently have a beta of KDE 2.2.2 . It requires an X server. They seem to have long-term plans for porting KDE to native win32, but even if they will get to that, it will take a while. The FAQ there is comprehensive enough. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {KDE,GNOME} iso images for MS env? Distributed by IGLU? CDs out of those images?
They currently have a beta of KDE 2.2.2 . It requires an X server. They seem to have long-term plans for porting KDE to native win32, but even if they will get to that, it will take a while. the moment that they'll start implementing QT API they'll get a ceast and decists letter from Trolltech (which follows the project closely) - it's their main revenue... Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
prctl()
Does anybody know of any function/syscall, similar to Linux' prctl(), but for other UNIX platforms (e.g. Solaris, HP-UX)? prctl() allows its caller to receive a signal when its parent is killed (SIGCHLD is sent when the CHILD is killed, and prctl() was inteded for the opposite case). I want a child to be informed when its parent is killed (by SIGKILL, for example) so the child can do some cleanups, and exit. Thanks, -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
music with linux ?
Can you guys tell me where can i find information on music production with linux ?? i'm a musician and i do most of the owrk out side of the computer and give the computer do the finish and midi ... IRC#, forums , web anything will be welcome thanx Eli
