Jerusalem.pm Call For Speakers
Hi, A message from Eitan follows: The next Jerusalem.pm meeting is coming up, and we still need speakers. As this is becoming the norm rather than the exception, we've decided to try a new strategy to get speakers: we're going to offer incentive. At the December Jerusalem.pm meeting, in 2 months or so, we will be raffling off a copy of Komodo 3.0 Professional Edition (http://www.activestate.com/Products/Komodo/). Entries to the raffle will be based on people who give talks. Each lightning talk (5-20 minutes) is worth one entry, 30-60 minutes is worth 2 entries and 90 minutes is worth three entries! You don't need to give a talk before the raffle to participate, you need only to commit to a set lecture on a set date. Good luck to everyone! For more information, contact Eitan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS - Non-Jerusalemites are welcome to participate too! Regards, -- Offer Kaye = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
automatic credit charging on open e-shops
Hello List. I helped a friend of mine implement an electronic shop selling small electronics using oscommerce. After talking with some credit companies the shop owner decided to receive the order but then call up the credit card company and give a phone based order. What would it take to fully automate the credit charging procedure? He already has SSL so the security point of view is taken care of (at least at the basic level). All my googling has brought me to commercial applications or other eshop solutions. Obviously I'm looking for the open source or open source friendly solution ... Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. regards - -- Peace Love and Penguins - Lior Kesos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops
Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. Yes. In our little country, it usually requires a middle man. That is - a company that connects to Shva (which does clearance for all credit cards in Israel) and gives you a protocol with which you connect to it, as well as an interface that allows you to follow the transactions and find problems. I'll give you the name of such a company in private, if you want. But I'm sure there is more than one. The interface in our case was https based - you pass it some parameters (your user ID, credit card number, sum, type of currency), and it returns success or an error code. I implemented this using CURL from PHP. So the credit card numbers are not kept in your database and do not become a privacy liability. We did keep the last four digits of the credit cards for follow-up, though. Of course you have to set up an account with the clearance company, and if I'm not mistaken the service is limited to a specific IP, which means that you may have to negotiate with your ISP to not use transparent proxy on your machine. There is also a possibility of working directly with Shva, but if my memory serves right, they do not supply IP-based services, only a telephony interface. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops
Is shaba a hardware or software implementation? Have you heard of a shaba server I can connect to that will do the query for me? On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:22:28 +0200, ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 October 2004 09:47, Lior Kesos wrote: Hello List. I helped a friend of mine implement an electronic shop selling small electronics using oscommerce. After talking with some credit companies the shop owner decided to receive the order but then call up the credit card company and give a phone based order. What would it take to fully automate the credit charging procedure? He already has SSL so the security point of view is taken care of (at least at the basic level). All my googling has brought me to commercial applications or other eshop solutions. Obviously I'm looking for the open source or open source friendly solution ... Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. regards - You need some type of SHBA implementation. SHBA = Sherut Bankai Automati It have all the rules of Credit cards that it can accept, and on X amount it will call the bank and check if the user can pay the amount of the product he wish to buy, and if so you can accept the sell. I do not know of OSS solution for this, but then again, I never looked for one. Ido -- A real friend isn't someone you use once and then throw away. A real friend is someone you can use over and over again. -- Peace Love and Penguins - Lior Kesos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 09:47, Lior Kesos wrote: Hello List. I helped a friend of mine implement an electronic shop selling small electronics using oscommerce. After talking with some credit companies the shop owner decided to receive the order but then call up the credit card company and give a phone based order. What would it take to fully automate the credit charging procedure? He already has SSL so the security point of view is taken care of (at least at the basic level). All my googling has brought me to commercial applications or other eshop solutions. Obviously I'm looking for the open source or open source friendly solution ... Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. regards - You need some type of SHBA implementation. SHBA = Sherut Bankai Automati It have all the rules of Credit cards that it can accept, and on X amount it will call the bank and check if the user can pay the amount of the product he wish to buy, and if so you can accept the sell. I do not know of OSS solution for this, but then again, I never looked for one. Ido -- A real friend isn't someone you use once and then throw away. A real friend is someone you can use over and over again. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops
SHBA is a software implementation and you need a client to connect to a server, that you need an account about it. There are companies like XOR that deal with SHBA (like the machine that looks like the calculators but you need to pass the credit-card) on may ways including computer clients for SHBA. I do not know who do you need to contact in order to have SHBA account (I only develop for communicating with existed client), but the XOR and credit-card companies will know how to direct you better. On Wednesday 20 October 2004 12:28, Lior Kesos wrote: Is shaba a hardware or software implementation? Have you heard of a shaba server I can connect to that will do the query for me? On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:22:28 +0200, ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 20 October 2004 09:47, Lior Kesos wrote: Hello List. I helped a friend of mine implement an electronic shop selling small electronics using oscommerce. After talking with some credit companies the shop owner decided to receive the order but then call up the credit card company and give a phone based order. What would it take to fully automate the credit charging procedure? He already has SSL so the security point of view is taken care of (at least at the basic level). All my googling has brought me to commercial applications or other eshop solutions. Obviously I'm looking for the open source or open source friendly solution ... Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. regards - You need some type of SHBA implementation. SHBA = Sherut Bankai Automati It have all the rules of Credit cards that it can accept, and on X amount it will call the bank and check if the user can pay the amount of the product he wish to buy, and if so you can accept the sell. I do not know of OSS solution for this, but then again, I never looked for one. Ido -- A real friend isn't someone you use once and then throw away. A real friend is someone you can use over and over again. Ido -- Ultimately, all things are known because you want to believe you know. -- Zensunni koan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops
Herouth et al 0. Shva has had an IP based interface for years. 1. Paypal is a viable alternative for digital goods - they're a reliable supplier owned by eBay and can process digital or physical goods for a reasonable commission. 2. There is a third party in Israel called Tranzilla - for low volume they may be too expensive. 3. In principle if you are selling digital goods (like a download) you need online authorization but for physical goods like shoes or books you are probably better off using Zencart with manual authorization - we've done this for a couple of clients and it works fine. There is an issue of storing credit card numbers and retrieving them - which we can help you offline if you need. br Danny Lieberman www.software.co.il +972-8-970-1485(voice) +972-54-447-1114(Cell) - Original Message - From: Herouth Maoz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: linux-il [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. Yes. In our little country, it usually requires a middle man. That is - a company that connects to Shva (which does clearance for all credit cards in Israel) and gives you a protocol with which you connect to it, as well as an interface that allows you to follow the transactions and find problems. I'll give you the name of such a company in private, if you want. But I'm sure there is more than one. The interface in our case was https based - you pass it some parameters (your user ID, credit card number, sum, type of currency), and it returns success or an error code. I implemented this using CURL from PHP. So the credit card numbers are not kept in your database and do not become a privacy liability. We did keep the last four digits of the credit cards for follow-up, though. Of course you have to set up an account with the clearance company, and if I'm not mistaken the service is limited to a specific IP, which means that you may have to negotiate with your ISP to not use transparent proxy on your machine. There is also a possibility of working directly with Shva, but if my memory serves right, they do not supply IP-based services, only a telephony interface. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reminder: Telux Meeting at Sunday 24/10 - Ori Idan on Bootloaders
Hi all! On Sunday 24/10, the Tel Aviv Linux Club will gather to hear Ori Idan's presentation on Linux Bootloaders. The presentation will take place at 18:30 in room Schreiber 007 of the Tel Aviv University. Attendance is free. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announce: SendSMS 3.9
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:44:52PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: It's about time that I finally make a release of SendSMS that recognizes the new-style 7-digit cellular phone numbers... So here it is, SendSMS 3.9: Thank you for this fine program. From reading the man-page and looking through the code, it seems that SendSMS doesn't support user authentication on a proxy server, yet. For those who program in Perl, would it be easy to add that feature. If I knew Perl I'd try it myself; it would allow me to use SendSMS at work. - Regards, Daniel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops
Hi, We have a fully automated service for this authorised by All companies. Please E-mail me if interested. -- Yaniv Kimchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Original Message --- From: ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: linux-il [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:22:28 +0200 Subject: Re: automatic credit charging on open e-shops On Wednesday 20 October 2004 09:47, Lior Kesos wrote: Hello List. I helped a friend of mine implement an electronic shop selling small electronics using oscommerce. After talking with some credit companies the shop owner decided to receive the order but then call up the credit card company and give a phone based order. What would it take to fully automate the credit charging procedure? He already has SSL so the security point of view is taken care of (at least at the basic level). All my googling has brought me to commercial applications or other eshop solutions. Obviously I'm looking for the open source or open source friendly solution ... Has anybody implemented an oscommerce/zencart + automatic charging scenario. regards - You need some type of SHBA implementation. SHBA = Sherut Bankai Automati It have all the rules of Credit cards that it can accept, and on X amount it will call the bank and check if the user can pay the amount of the product he wish to buy, and if so you can accept the sell. I do not know of OSS solution for this, but then again, I never looked for one. Ido -- A real friend isn't someone you use once and then throw away. A real friend is someone you can use over and over again. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End of Original Message --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
late ignition... Hebrew in mutt
Hi Ira, I (thought) having sent this letter from work, a couple of days ago. Apparently it did not get out. So I send it again. Hi Ira, They say that better late than never... It turns out that the way Hebrew text appears in mutt is determined by its default pager. Replacing it by set pager=/usr/bin/less -r, or vi or nano, followed by set display_filter=bidiv, allows one to see Hebrew text in the message. The way to use mutt is slightly different, as long as you are in the chosen pager, you cannot use mutt's key bindings. So, you have to leave, it first by its command (q in less, :q in vi, Ctrl-X in nano...). Mutt reponds by command:, upon which you tell it what you desire it to do. I don't know if it's worth the trouble, but in a system where the behaviour can be determined at so many levels it's rewarding when you find, at long last, the righ button to press. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ARGG!!!!
Just when things started to look good Just when I thought someone in the goverment finally has some brain I get to rid a story like that: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2992659,00.html Tell me it doesn't get you upset!Tell me it doesn't stinks out of corruption! Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ARGG!!!!
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 19:05, Ely Levy wrote: Just when things started to look good Just when I thought someone in the goverment finally has some brain I get to rid a story like that: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2992659,00.html Tell me it doesn't get you upset!Tell me it doesn't stinks out of corruption! Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel Now you understand why the pupils thinks that on Jerusalem there is a sea, and the Givat Hatachmoshet is at the Golan heights... The education ministry make sure that the pupils will not learn, and pay allot of money for this... Ido -- BOFH excuse #42: spaghetti cable cause packet failure = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
I can't save and restore files with Hebrew text with kdeit. Note that I am referring to the content of the file and not to the file name. More specifically, I can write mixed English/Hebrew text with kedit. However when I save the file, exit kedit and then open the file again, each Hebrew letter is displayed as a questions mark. Any suggestions? $ locale LANG=POSIX LC_CTYPE=POSIX LC_NUMERIC=POSIX LC_TIME=POSIX LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY=POSIX LC_MESSAGES=POSIX LC_PAPER=POSIX LC_NAME=POSIX LC_ADDRESS=POSIX LC_TELEPHONE=POSIX LC_MEASUREMENT=POSIX LC_IDENTIFICATION=POSIX LC_ALL= s This locale doesn't disturb kword. Changing the fonts after opening kedit doesn't make a difference. It is Debian's kedit 1.3 (kde 3.2.3). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: late ignition... Hebrew in mutt
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED], from the post of Wed, 20 Oct: Hi Ira, They say that better late than never... It turns out that the way Hebrew text appears in mutt is determined by its default pager. not exactly. I was able to get it to work with UTF-8 texts and the internal pager just fine, but when working in a UTF-compat xterm. however I have a strange addiction to Eterm (silly me) and no UTF-8 support available. however, I don't think I managed to get it to work with ISO8859-8 Replacing it by set pager=/usr/bin/less -r, or vi or nano, followed by set display_filter=bidiv, allows one to see Hebrew text in the message. that is the most annoying solution ever, and you listed why. I'm left without options for saving the message, bouncing it, getting alerts on new mail or doing ANY other mutt command without first exiting the pager. So what I do now, when I get a Hebrew message that displays all wrong I just hit | and then I enter bidiv|less -r. the second time I reach a Hebrew message it's pipe and then the up arrow and enter. it's still awkward, but it interferes less with my workflow. if anyone has a better solution I'd love to hear. -- Famed sex coloumnist Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: late ignition... Hebrew in mutt
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 08:32:20PM +0200, Ira Abramov wrote: that is the most annoying solution ever, and you listed why. I'm left without options for saving the message, bouncing it, getting alerts on new mail or doing ANY other mutt command without first exiting the pager. So what I do now, when I get a Hebrew message that displays all wrong I just hit | and then I enter bidiv|less -r. the second time I reach a Hebrew message it's pipe and then the up arrow and enter. it's still awkward, but it interferes less with my workflow. if anyone has a better solution I'd love to hear. I am not sure if it's easy, but you can try using 'message-hook' and use an external pager only for Hebrew messages. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 20:31, Shaul Karl wrote: I can't save and restore files with Hebrew text with kdeit. Note that I am referring to the content of the file and not to the file name. More specifically, I can write mixed English/Hebrew text with kedit. However when I save the file, exit kedit and then open the file again, each Hebrew letter is displayed as a questions mark. Any suggestions? $ locale LANG=POSIX LC_CTYPE=POSIX LC_NUMERIC=POSIX LC_TIME=POSIX LC_COLLATE=POSIX LC_MONETARY=POSIX LC_MESSAGES=POSIX LC_PAPER=POSIX LC_NAME=POSIX LC_ADDRESS=POSIX LC_TELEPHONE=POSIX LC_MEASUREMENT=POSIX LC_IDENTIFICATION=POSIX LC_ALL= s This locale doesn't disturb kword. Changing the fonts after opening kedit doesn't make a difference. It is Debian's kedit 1.3 (kde 3.2.3). What charset are you save the file in kedit ? It allows you to save the file charset as your wish and so to load the file with the charset you wish to load. Ido -- Marketing is the science of convincing us that What You Get Is What You Want. -- John Carter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sweet!
Happy new year! who wants to kiss at midnight? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uptime 20:48:22 up 355 days, 19:48, 4 users, load average: 2.35, 0.96, 0.71 -- Man of action Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ARGG!!!!
Haverim, (Friends) Would you be willing to translate that article for me? My Hebrew isn't that great - and, since I can't seem to find an English version, and since I do have a strong interest in Israeli politics, I'd appreciate it... Todah rabbah. (Thank you.) William ik wrote: On Wednesday 20 October 2004 19:05, Ely Levy wrote: Just when things started to look good Just when I thought someone in the goverment finally has some brain I get to rid a story like that: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2992659,00.html Tell me it doesn't get you upset!Tell me it doesn't stinks out of corruption! Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel Now you understand why the pupils thinks that on Jerusalem there is a sea, and the Givat Hatachmoshet is at the Golan heights... The education ministry make sure that the pupils will not learn, and pay allot of money for this... Ido = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sweet!
who wants to kiss at midnight? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uptime 20:48:22 up 355 days, 19:48, 4 users, load average: 2.35, 0.96, 0.71 Anything can happen in 10 days... -- Arik = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sweet!
is it your home computer or a server? I'll pass about the kiss (-: Ira Abramov wrote: Happy new year! who wants to kiss at midnight? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uptime 20:48:22 up 355 days, 19:48, 4 users, load average: 2.35, 0.96, 0.71 -- Regards, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Guides.co.il Debian GNU/Linux unstable (SID) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sweet!
How about a ping instead of a kiss? A ping of death, that is... *evil laugh* Ira Abramov wrote: Happy new year! who wants to kiss at midnight? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uptime 20:48:22 up 355 days, 19:48, 4 users, load average: 2.35, 0.96, 0.71 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sweet!
Quoting Lior Kaplan, from the post of Wed, 20 Oct: is it your home computer or a server? a server of a client. It's been running Sarge for almost two months btw (Evil grin :-) as someone said, I spoke too soon. it's not tonight, it's in 10 days, and I need some sleep.. -- Last one picked Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ARGG!!!!
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, William Sherwin wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:00:06 -0400 From: William Sherwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ARGG Haverim, (Friends) Would you be willing to translate that article for me? My Hebrew isn't that great - and, since I can't seem to find an English version, and since I do have a strong interest in Israeli politics, I'd appreciate it... Todah rabbah. (Thank you.) William ik wrote: On Wednesday 20 October 2004 19:05, Ely Levy wrote: Just when things started to look good Just when I thought someone in the goverment finally has some brain I get to rid a story like that: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2992659,00.html Tell me it doesn't get you upset!Tell me it doesn't stinks out of corruption! Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel Now you understand why the pupils thinks that on Jerusalem there is a sea, and the Givat Hatachmoshet is at the Golan heights... The education ministry make sure that the pupils will not learn, and pay allot of money for this... Ido Ministry of Education has chosen MS: new details Ministry of Education and NS have re-declared the signing of the software agreement between them on May. We used this chance to find out new details about the incentives for this long-term contract. Gal Mor, Moran Zalikowitch CEO of MS Europe, Jean Philip Cortawa (?), is expected in Israel today, and on an interestingly close date, Ministry of Education has recycled today a press release, stating that it has signed a long term deal to buy software from MS Israel. The agreement itself was signed on May between CEO of Ministry of Education, Ronit Tirosh, and CEO of MS, Steve Balmer, while he was visiting Israel, and was announced on ynet, but in MS Israel they want to present achievements towards the visit of the important guest.Tirosh has presented this morning the principles of the agreement to the high management of the (system? editors?) in a meeting in which Aryeh Scoop, CEO os MS Israel, was present. In response to our questions, the ministry has made clear that indeed this is not a new contract, and in the event today the contract got its official set sail. We used this attempt of recycling to find some more details about the cooperation of the two bodies. REMINDER The School Agreement settles the rights of usage and upgrade of MS products in all educational establishments in Israel for a period of 5 years. In it, MS sells the MOE Windows and Office and other software for 130K computer stations in schools in Israel. NEW DETAILS According to new details released today, under the agreement Office Professional, Windows XP, Visual Studio.NET, Project, Windows servers, SMS management tools, Sharepoint (organization portal) and email (exchange) software will be installed in schools, kindergartens, and managers offices. MS Israel must invest 20% of her income from MOE in activities related to education and community. It will cost MOE 9 million shekels a year (45M per 5 years), whereas MOE claim it yields a saving of 14Million shekels per year without the agreement (compared to expense on MS software only - G.M.). old computers will be used as stations which will be remotely managed using a main server, with Terminal Server Technology (by MS). The bonus to teachers and education system emploees: the right for free home usage, except the cost of the CDs and their shipments. Sofia Mints, manager of communication, data systems and computers in the MOE, says they considered the option to offer the students to purchase MS software at discount. This option is included in the agreement. There was no place for an auction - ther is only one MS Mintsh reveals that MOE chose MS as a single supplier after it was allowed to do that by the MOF. According to what she says, the Ministry picked (I think this should have been examined , Orna) comparable software, and concluded that MS's offer is the best. Even if it is cheap, it may be worth it to MS, which thinks highly of exposing children to MS products at such an early stage in their life. Even if Mints is right, and MS's offer was good, such a long and vast contract of the Education system arouses questions about the procedure of choosing, especially in the light of the already existing alternatives. The question here is which softwares suit the needs of the system better, says Mints. For example, all the learning software are nowadays based on MS, not on Linux, and this status is not about to change soon, according to a check we did, which is also based on experts from abroad. The quastion of compatibility to the home computer was also the most important thing that made us take this decision (This was illogical in the origin - Orna). When the student goes home with a presentation he prepared at school, the home computer must be fully compatible. The agreement has exit points It is important to note that
Re: sweet!
Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Lior Kaplan, from the post of Wed, 20 Oct: is it your home computer or a server? a server of a client. It's been running Sarge for almost two months btw (Evil grin :-) as someone said, I spoke too soon. it's not tonight, it's in 10 days, and I need some sleep.. You do realize that this year is a leap year, and so it has 366 days. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 08:46:34PM +0200, ik wrote: What charset are you save the file in kedit ? It allows you to save the file charset as your wish and so to load the file with the charset you wish to load. I am not sure what you mean by charset. Neither the fonts nor the encoding option on kedit's definitions (spelling) menu change anything. In addition, saving and loading a file seems straight forward, with no option to choose the charset. In addition to kword, korganizer also seems to manage Hebrew/English issues in a transparent manner. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 08:51:17PM +0200, Diego Iastrubni wrote: You shuold use the encoding from the save dialog. Set it to ISO if you want to use 8 bit encodings. The only dialog I get is for the file name. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 10:13:42PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: You need to start kedit with a locale of: LC_CTYPE=he_IL.UTF-8 Or something similar. Otherwise it translates all higher characters to ASCII. Doesn't looks to be LC_CTYPE. Maybe some other locale related variable. In any case, I like the fact that kword and korganizer seems to be handling Hebrew without some specific setting. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
Shaul Karl wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 10:13:42PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: You need to start kedit with a locale of: LC_CTYPE=he_IL.UTF-8 Or something similar. Otherwise it translates all higher characters to ASCII. Doesn't looks to be LC_CTYPE. Maybe some other locale related variable. In any case, I like the fact that kword and korganizer seems to be handling Hebrew without some specific setting. IIRC kedit accepts an encoding parameter from the command line (the open/save dialog's encoding are valid only for kwrite/kate, i.e: KTextEditor). Try: kedit --help For more info see here (Hebrew): http://whatsup.org.il/forum/2076 -- Meir Kriheli http://mksoft.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: late ignition... Hebrew in mutt
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 05:45:54PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ira, I (thought) having sent this letter from work, a couple of days ago. Apparently it did not get out. So I send it again. Hi Ira, They say that better late than never... It turns out that the way Hebrew text appears in mutt is determined by its default pager. What's wrong with mutt's built-in pager? What character-set do you use? UTF-8 or ISO-8859-8? Replacing it by set pager=/usr/bin/less -r, or vi or nano, followed by set display_filter=bidiv bidiv is slightly more optimized for mail than fribidi, but only works for ISO-8859-8 output, right? , allows one to see Hebrew text in the message. The way to use mutt is slightly different, as long as you are in the chosen pager, you cannot use mutt's key bindings. So, you have to leave, it first by its command (q in less, :q in vi, Ctrl-X in nano...). Mutt reponds by command:, upon which you tell it what you desire it to do. I don't know if it's worth the trouble, but in a system where the behaviour can be determined at so many levels it's rewarding when you find, at long last, the righ button to press. Cheers, Avraham I write this from a debian-woody system. You should generally use there mutt-utf8 rather than mutt if you want proper multi-byte support. But the version of mutt on Woody leaks file-descriptors when you use display_filter . I eventually went on to use mutt from backports.org . I run it from a screen session. I invoke screen with screen -U and make sure that the environment is set to a UTF-8 locale and run from a UTF-8 terminal. Such a terminal can also be the console Some relevant lines from my .muttrc: # I'm not entirely happy with either of those: # works well on well-formatted mail #display_filter=fribidi # For mails that have long lines: display_filter='fmt | fribidi ' # any way to tell fmt that some UTF-8 chars take more than 1 byte? # or maybe skip the cp1255 one? set send_charset=us-ascii:cp1255:utf-8 # As far as mutt cares ISO-8859-8-I is identical to ISO-8859-8 : charset-hook iso-8859-8-I ISO-8859-8 # Eliminate the no.1 cause for terminal garbage of a misconfigured # terminal: # remove this if you only work from a proper terminal set ascii_chars=yes -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kedit: saving a file with Hebrew text doesn't work.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:44:25AM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 10:13:42PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: You need to start kedit with a locale of: LC_CTYPE=he_IL.UTF-8 Or something similar. Otherwise it translates all higher characters to ASCII. Doesn't looks to be LC_CTYPE. Maybe some other locale related variable. In any case, I like the fact that kword and korganizer seems to be handling Hebrew without some specific setting. Just to elimiminate this: run: LC_CTYPE=he_IL.UTF-8 perl -e If the locale he_IL.UTF-8 is properly defined on your system, perl should silently execute the empty command. But if it is not porperly defined, perl will shout. Perl is configured by default to comaplain about this in debian. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
