Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text
On Saturday, Oct 30, 2004, at 19:13 Asia/Jerusalem, Amit Aronovitch wrote: 2) Applications don't always handle them right. For example, OpenOffice handles them correctly, but makes them visible - depending on the font, you usually see an annoying blank square in their place (they should be invisible - at least if you call yourself WYSIWIG). Actually, OpenOffice behaves better than you said. When you enter the characters you may get a square, but as soon as you put some text next to them, the squares disappear. At least that's what happens in my environment. By the way, the lyx keyboard variant only contains the marking characters, not the embedding characters. I had a discussion about this in Whatsup this week. I see embedding as more natural, as you don't have to think Hmm, BiDi problem. If I put an English character somewhere, it should solve it, now what is the proper way to put the extra character?. You just embed the whole English phrase. I just wonder, if I find how to incorporate the LRE, RLE and PDF characters into the lyx variant, how I'm going to push it to the world. The lyx and SI variants are distributed with every Linux, or at least with every Linux that has KDE. By the way, I think this is not the ultimate solution to this problem. Because the characters are invisible, it makes editing them very hard. I prefer the word processor itself to handle this - as Word does in Windows and Mellel does on MacOS X. In Word you mark spans of text as English or Hebrew and it attaches directionality to that span. I had a serious problem when I exported my resumé from OpenOffice to Word: it was exported entirely as English, and thus all the punctuation had the wrong directionality, and I had to mark it as Hebrew one by one where it actually was. If OpenOffice had a span directionality feature, and used it when exporting to Word, the problem would be solved. In Mellel you can embed directionality using a style. This is another spin on span directionality... Herouth To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:51:06AM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote:
By the way, the lyx keyboard variant only contains the marking
characters, not the embedding characters. I had a discussion about this
in Whatsup this week. I see embedding as more natural, as you don't
have to think Hmm, BiDi problem. If I put an English character
somewhere, it should solve it, now what is the proper way to put the
extra character?. You just embed the whole English phrase.
I just wonder, if I find how to incorporate the LRE, RLE and PDF
characters into the lyx variant, how I'm going to push it to the world.
The lyx and SI variants are distributed with every Linux, or at least
with every Linux that has KDE.
--- /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/il 2004-05-29 10:51:29.0 +0300
+++ il.symbols.xkb 2004-10-31 09:59:32.0 +0200
@@ -68,14 +68,14 @@
// first shift level (avoiding mapping may risk it be used by a character
// from a different group).
key AD01 { [ slash, slash ] };
-key AD02 { [ apostrophe, apostrophe ] };
+key AD02 { [ apostrophe, 0x100202c ] }; // PDF
key AD03 { [ hebrew_qoph,0x10005b8 ] }; // Qamats
key AD04 { [ hebrew_resh,0x10005bc ] }; // Dagesh/Shuruq
key AD05 { [ hebrew_aleph, 0x100200e ] }; // LRM
key AD06 { [ hebrew_tet, 0x100200f ] }; // RLM
key AD07 { [ hebrew_waw, 0x10005b9 ] }; // Holam
-key AD08 { [ hebrew_finalnun,hebrew_finalnun] };
-key AD09 { [ hebrew_finalmem,hebrew_finalmem] };
+key AD08 { [ hebrew_finalnun, 0x100202a] }; // LRE
+key AD09 { [ hebrew_finalmem, 0x100202b] }; // RLE
key AD10 { [ hebrew_pe, 0x10005b7 ] }; // Patah
key AC01 { [ hebrew_shin,0x10005b0 ] }; // Sheva
I just found some empty keys and placed them. You can try placinbg them
instead of the current RLM and LRM, and maybe place the PDF below them.
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Re: Free/Open video conferencing solution
Hi Dvir, Dvir Volk wrote: I'm looking for a Free solution that will allow several users to conduct a video conference online. It should have clients running on both Linux and Windows, and the server side (if it's not pure p2p) should preferably run on Linux. It should support 3 or more users in one conference. Does anyone have any experience with such a system? Asterisk does it. For the client you use standart VoIP phone with video support. Here are some details: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+video I have exprience with building Audio confrence bridges. Didn't try video yet but there is no reason why it wont work - as far as Asterisk is concerned the only difference is the codec used. Cheers, Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +972.9.8650475 ext. 201 | Fax: +972.9.8850643 I am Jack's Overwritten Stack Pointer -- Hackers Club, the movie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Security Forum - meeting #5 -14/11/04 (fwd)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:57:44 +0200 From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The Security Forum - meeting #5 -14/11/04 Hello! The next, non-commercial, technological Security Forum will take place on Sunday, the 14th of November, 2004, at Tel Aviv University's Lev Auditorium. 108 people came to our last meeting on the 17th of October. The air conditioner worked too well (some people complained it was cold). Schedule 17:45 - Gathering - hot and cold drinks (+gviniyot) will be served. 18:00 - Aviram Jenik, CEO - Beyond Security. Lecture: Open source in Commercial products. Level: This lecture is suited for all levels, although it will be technological. Aviram will discuss open source security products and their impact on the industry. How some security products became the blueprint for commercial products and how one can integrate both into one environment. Also, there will be a _technological_ discussion of open source software technologies that don't exist in commercial products and the opposite - what works where, or didn't work - and why? Why would some prefer commercial software and others open source, especially when it comes to security? Pros and cons. 19:20 - We will break for a short recess, as well as for refreshments and networking between members - hot and cold drinks (+gviniyot) will be served. 19:40 - Evgeny Pinchuk, SOC team - Radware. Lecture: Covert Channels in Networking. Level: This lecture will be highly technological, and low-level. Due to popular demand, Evgeny will lecture again. His lecture will be about Covert Channels in Networking. IP, TCP, ICMP, ..., any other protocol - how people might send a covert message using these protocols without being noticed? Hot and cold drinks (+gviniyot) will be freely available. Attendance is free. For a map of the university please visit: http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp For future and past lectures, presentations and general information: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec You can also visit our Orkut community (Tausec): http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=422590 Thank you all, and please pass this information to others. Who we are -- The Security Forum, hosted by the Tel Aviv University, started when a few of us talked about there being an (almost) complete lack of professional and social events on security in Israel which are not completely commercial and about sticking products down out throats. We decided to do instead of complain, and here we are. In previous meetings we had over a hundred arrivals, varying from soldiers and students, through programmers and government CSO's, all the way to CEO's and CTO's of different companies. Some have been part of our community since the 70's and some are just people who are interested in the subject. Have a good week, -- Gadi Evron, Information Security Manager, Project Tehila - Israeli Government Internet Security. Ministry of Finance, Israel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: +972-2-5317890 Fax: +972-2-5317801 http://www.tehila.gov.il Tehila is one of the top most attacked sites in the world. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Security Forum - meeting #5 -14/11/04 (fwd)
Hi Ely, I joined Linux-IL recently, and I sas your letter. Is there any security mailing-list too ? Regards, Shimon = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
edimax 7108PCG pcmcia support
Just got myself a pcmcia wireless card for my laptop (sarge installed). All this linux is wonderful ,works out of the box and next next next themes running around numbed me senseless to the point I didn't enter the trio ($cardname linux support) in google. Being the Israeli that I am I got the cheapest card in the block and now I'm spending my valuable time hacking it to work (another applause for Israeli logic :) ). I believe that the wireless network driver support can be arranged - but I'm not sure it's pcmcia is supported. How can I start fiddling around and validating if the thing works? Google shows nothing - that I assume is either because of it being a relatively new card or it lacking any linux support whatsoever (but I don't even get the linuxquestions.org threads asking for support and with 4 replies of Isn't supported - bummer so there's still hope). I read about cardctl ident being a kinda lspci for the pcmcia - but I get a: socket 0: no product info available Will the support be in the configuration or a newer kernel? Do you think ndiswrapper is enough for wlan support? Will Arafat return his delicate soul to the saviour? and will I save myself the humility of going back to the store and replacing the card for something that works well but isn't fun because you don't need to hack it up to make it work :). Thanks for any help I can get on my quest ... -- Peace Love and Penguins - Lior Kesos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: edimax 7108PCG pcmcia support
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Lior Kesos wrote: relatively new card or it lacking any linux support whatsoever (but I don't even get the linuxquestions.org threads asking for support and with 4 replies of Isn't supported - bummer so there's still hope). I read about cardctl ident being a kinda lspci for the pcmcia - but I get a: socket 0: no product info available Actually, cardbus (32bit pcmcia) is pci, so lspci would have given you more interesting information. Another option is looking at the windows driver. They usually give you a hint on the chipset that actually drives the card. In your case that is Ratlink rt2500. Now google for rt2500 linux. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: edimax 7108PCG pcmcia support
Quoth Lior Kesos: Just got myself a pcmcia wireless card for my laptop (sarge installed). All this linux is wonderful ,works out of the box and next next next themes running around numbed me senseless to the point I didn't enter the trio ($cardname linux support) in google. Please send cis dump and ids Being the Israeli that I am I got the cheapest card in the block and now I'm spending my valuable time hacking it to work (another applause for Israeli logic :) ). I believe that the wireless network driver support can be arranged - but I'm not sure it's pcmcia is supported. How can I start fiddling around and validating if the thing works? Google shows nothing - that I assume is either because of it being a relatively new card or it lacking any linux support whatsoever (but I don't even get the linuxquestions.org threads asking for support and with 4 replies of Isn't supported - bummer so there's still hope). I read about cardctl ident being a kinda lspci for the pcmcia - but I get a: socket 0: no product info available Will the support be in the configuration or a newer kernel? Do you think ndiswrapper is enough for wlan support? Will Arafat return his delicate soul to the saviour? and will I save myself the humility of going back to the store and replacing the card for something that works well but isn't fun because you don't need to hack it up to make it work :). Thanks for any help I can get on my quest ... -- Peace Love and Penguins - Lior Kesos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swiftouch, LTD +972-54-676764 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Students on Linux woes
Hi, Related to the Welcome to Linux series, I'd like to draw your attention to the following issue: It's quite hard to be a Linux-only student, at least at TAU (and at least on the exact sciences faculty, although the issue is probably much worse at other faculties). A few years ago, when I was a new student, I complained on this list that the TAU website had significant portions which were only usable with Internet Explorer - that issue seems to have been addressed, and for that I am thankful (I haven't done extensive research, but almost everything I needed in the last year or so seems to have worked. A notable exception is the messages page at http://graddsp.tau.ac.il/msglist.asp?faculty=3.Strangely, it even looks different under IE and Firefox/Opera). Once you start your studies, however, the main problem becomes that a lot of classes are given with PowerPoint presentations, which are then available at the course website. I often ask the prof. about availability of the lectures in a more open format (pdf for example)- some professors realize the error of their ways ( ;-) ) and worry about finding a solution for me while others simply tell me to go to the computer lab and look at the presentations from there. Ideally, it would be officialy policy to have all course materials available in an open format, but I would settle for having that as a de-facto policy. Any ideas what can be done about this? Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text
At Sun, 31 Oct 2004 07:51:06 +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: On Saturday, Oct 30, 2004, at 19:13 Asia/Jerusalem, Amit Aronovitch wrote: 2) Applications don't always handle them right. For example, OpenOffice handles them correctly, but makes them visible - depending on the font, you usually see an annoying blank square in their place (they should be invisible - at least if you call yourself WYSIWIG). Actually, OpenOffice behaves better than you said. When you enter the characters you may get a square, but as soon as you put some text next to them, the squares disappear. At least that's what happens in my environment. By the way, the lyx keyboard variant only contains the marking characters, not the embedding characters. I had a discussion about this in Whatsup this week. I see embedding as more natural, as you don't have to think Hmm, BiDi problem. If I put an English character somewhere, it should solve it, now what is the proper way to put the extra character?. You just embed the whole English phrase. I just wonder, if I find how to incorporate the LRE, RLE and PDF characters into the lyx variant, how I'm going to push it to the world. The lyx and SI variants are distributed with every Linux, or at least with every Linux that has KDE. I still think that this is the wrong approach, even if it is the easiest. I think that directionality should be taken from the keymap and not explicitly (at least in the normal flow of things). It does cause problems of course if you use shift to enter english keys (even if the are upper case) while in hebrew keyboard, but it is easier then enter direction characters every time you want to change language in the middle of the line. By the way, I think this is not the ultimate solution to this problem. Because the characters are invisible, it makes editing them very hard. I prefer the word processor itself to handle this - as Word does in Windows and Mellel does on MacOS X. In Word you mark spans of text as English or Hebrew and it attaches directionality to that span. I had a serious problem when I exported my resumé from OpenOffice to Word: it was exported entirely as English, and thus all the punctuation had the wrong directionality, and I had to mark it as Hebrew one by one where it actually was. If OpenOffice had a span directionality feature, and used it when exporting to Word, the problem would be solved. In Mellel you can embed directionality using a style. This is another spin on span directionality... Herouth To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Students on Linux woes
Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Once you start your studies, however, the main problem becomes that a lot of classes are given with PowerPoint presentations, which are then available at the course website. I often ask the prof. about availability of the lectures in a more open format (pdf for example)- some professors realize the error of their ways ( ;-) ) and worry about finding a solution for me while others simply tell me to go to the computer lab and look at the presentations from there. Ideally, it would be officialy policy to have all course materials available in an open format, but I would settle for having that as a de-facto policy. Any ideas what can be done about this? Have you tried OpenOffice? In my experience, OpenOffice can read PowerPoint files quite well (though I have no experience with the Hebrew version), but give that a try... The other solutions are to run some sort of Windows Emulator (e.g. wine) or an operating system on top of an operating system (VMware). Neither of these solutions is perfect - and VMware could cost you a few hundred NIS - but they are solutions, nonetheless... B'hatzlacha. William = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text
First of all, thanks Tzafrir - I was not aware that the lyx and SI variants had any bidi chars in them (I do remember googlin and greppin around before starting to mess with symbol files - probably did not do that very well - since now I can easily find the stuff you mention...) Herouth Maoz wrote: Actually, OpenOffice behaves better than you said. When you enter the characters you may get a square, but as soon as you put some text next to them, the squares disappear. At least that's what happens in my environment. Did you try the PDF symbol? It seems that at least with the default fonts, PDF stays a visible square, while others appear as specialized cursor-like graphics. By the way, the lyx keyboard variant only contains the marking characters, not the embedding characters. IS mode too. So - my messing with symbol files was not a total waste of time after all :-) ... I had a discussion about this in Whatsup this week. I see embedding as more natural, as you don't have to think Hmm, BiDi problem. If I put an English character somewhere, it should solve it, now what is the proper way to put the extra character?. You just embed the whole English phrase. What's more natural is arguable and subjective. However - LRE/RLE are more *powerful* . There's stuff that just can't be done with the mark symbols alone. For example try typing the following line (I do hope the listbot and mailers won't mess up my UTF8 ... ): The messageEnter should be displayed I can't see how it could be done with Mark symbols alone. With RLE-PDF it's trivial. I just wonder, if I find how to incorporate the LRE, RLE and PDF characters into the lyx variant, how I'm going to push it to the world. The lyx and SI variants are distributed with every Linux, or at least with every Linux that has KDE. It's not related to KDE (and really should not be bound to any specific toolkit). It's a standard *Unicode * feature - available on any system using X11 ever since it started supporting Unicode. As I now learned, the standard israeli keyboard layout in main XFree86 distro started having the Mark bidi symbols ever since version 4.3 IGLU FAQ:xkb http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/index.cgi?_recurse=1file=8#file_86 About pushing it to the world - this mainly concerns the Hebrew and Arabic speaking countries. As far as the Hebrew-Speaking Country is concerned, at least, I believe Tzafrir is our man here (pls correct me if I'm wrong, but he might have had something to do with the fact that the lyx variant found it's way to upstream Xfree86 il keyboard). For starters, we can agree on preferred keys to put them on, and offer it in a modified version of the script I provided in the previous message. The benefit of this script is that it's simple, self explanatory, and can be easily operated by newbie linuxers (just drop it in /usr/local/bin and type bidisetup - in any user login) - it supports easy install/uninstall/enable/disable without having to type xkb commands or manually edit keyboard files. This way a larger croud can experiment with it and give feedback. For the moment I'll stick with my original (inconvenient arbitrary) choice of keys - because Tzafrir's layout does not include the remaining two unicode bidichars (RLO LRO), and I believe we should offer our testers the full range of unicode bidi. This time I'll provide the file via http (the listbot does not seem to like my attachments) http://amitar.parser.co.il/bidisetup ( yeah, I know, I should add friendly html descriptions and stuff, preferably in hebrew ... ) pls feel free to edit/mangle/distribute this file in any way you want. By the way, I think this is not the ultimate solution to this problem. Because the characters are invisible, it makes editing them very hard. I prefer the word processor itself to handle this - as Word does in Windows and Mellel does on MacOS X. In Word you mark spans of text as English or Hebrew and it True - we're talking just the basic OS/WinSystem support here. These should support unicode plaintext in a way that would allow typing i9nal text in a reasonable way in text consoles and simple text editors. I think that means that bidi chars should be invisible - like tabs and newlines are in text mode. As for Word-Processors (and WYSIWYM Document Preparation Systems ;-) ), I think they could (and should) allow a more advanced approach: You should be able to see a graphical representation of the bidi chars (e.g. in OpenOffice - in that mode where you can see the enters and tabs), and you should be able to easily switch to WYG view, where they are invisible. However - this is application stuff and could only be achieved app-by-app (well - not exactly - if we fix the basic text-editing widgets of Toolkits like GTK+ QT, we'll probably affect a whole bunch of Gnome KDE apps at once. = To unsubscribe, send mail
Re: Students on Linux woes
--Boundary_(ID_ny1ohRLr1agJ+LoSGTXDCA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-8-I; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Hi, Related to the Welcome to Linux series, I'd like to draw your attention to the following issue: It's quite hard to be a Linux-only student, at least at TAU (and at least on the exact sciences faculty, although the issue is probably much worse at other faculties). This is a TAU-wide problem, esp. concerning the 'virtual TAU' system. I tried to complain and got the usual answer (we don't make the system, you are in minority, buggr off) so I usually do a weekly pass on virtual with Win98 to download homework. A few years ago, when I was a new student, I complained on this list that the TAU website had significant portions which were only usable with Internet Explorer - that issue seems to have been addressed, and for that I am thankful (I haven't done extensive research, but almost everything I needed in the last year or so seems to have worked. A notable exception is the messages page at http://graddsp.tau.ac.il/msglist.asp?faculty=3.Strangely, it even looks different under IE and Firefox/Opera). They're very inconsistent. ims.tau.ac.il works great with Firefox, but my sister was blocked once out of a page that was just fine after we installed User Agent Switcher. Once you start your studies, however, the main problem becomes that a lot of classes are given with PowerPoint presentations, which are then available at the course website. I often ask the prof. about availability of the lectures in a more open format (pdf for example)- some professors realize the error of their ways ( ;-) ) and worry about finding a solution for me while others simply tell me to go to the computer lab and look at the presentations from there. OpenOffice Impress and writer usually do a wonderful job showing the presentations and .doc files with homework. Ideally, it would be officialy policy to have all course materials available in an open format, but I would settle for having that as a de-facto policy. Any ideas what can be done about this? Perhaps we TAU students can write a joint letter to the people at the top windows (not the computing division) about why openness is in the true university spirit? I can't see a lot we can do when the budget is shrinking and the entire attitude at TAU is usually 'go find someone to shake you down' (lech hapes mi yenaanea otcha'). I'm open to sugestions too. Maybe people here had similar experiences and can give advice? -- No, I do not contain myself, were the final words from the set of self-excluding sets. :-) --Boundary_(ID_ny1ohRLr1agJ+LoSGTXDCA) Content-type: text/plain; name=tau_complaint.eml.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=tau_complaint.eml.txt FONT: 10pt arial From: îìø [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 11:46 PM To: Ronit Azran Subject: Other problems ùí äñèåãðè: îìø éåñó ùí îùúîù: 043467430 ãåàø àì÷èøåðé: [EMAIL PROTECTED] èìôåï: 09-8998145 úàåø äáòéä: ìà ðéúï ìäùúîù áîòøëú îãôãôðéí úåîëé ñèðãøèéí (ëâåï îåæéìä-ôééøôå÷ñ, ÷åð÷øåø). ðéúï ìäëðñ ìîòøëú àáì ìà ìöôåú áãó äðåùàéí. ä÷åùé ááòéä æå äéà ùñèåãðè ùøåöä ìäùúîù áîòøëú çééá ìäåöéà îàåú ù÷ìéí òî ì÷ðåú îòøëú äôòìä Windows äîëéìä àú ä-Internet Explorer äãøåù ìùéîåù áîòøëú. ìà ìëì äñèåãðèéí éù. áøåá äî÷øéí áòééú äúàéîåú äéà ÷ìä åãåøùú ùéðåé ÷èï á÷åã ä-Javascript òî ùéúàéí ìú÷ðéí äáéðìàåîéí ùì àøâåï W3C. àá÷ùëí ìèôì ááòéä òî ùäîòøëú úäôåê ìðâéùä éåúø åìëï éòéìä éåúø ìëåìí. úåãä, éåñó. +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. unnamed Content-Type: text/html Content-Encoding: 8BIT --Boundary_(ID_ny1ohRLr1agJ+LoSGTXDCA)-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Students on Linux woes
There is no way to force lecturers to use anything (I know, as nobody forces me to use PowerPoint). The way is to contact the computing commitee of your department (not the system guys, even though they can tell you who is in charge of that), or the undergraduate studies committee of your department, and explain to them your problem. As the only solution is awareness, try to make people aware. The committee will probably issue a call for the lecturers to try and produce .pdf or ps of their slides, which can usually be done with little effort (or no effort, once you install Open Office ;) ). As time goes by, you'll probably feel improvement in this field due to several factors: a) more awareness b) more Linux users = more requests for open formats = lecturer is more likely to use open formats as well c) more lecturers who have Linux d) better Linux replacements - One day OO will know to print presentation 6 in page, and 4 in page, just like Power Point... On Sun, 31 Oct 2004, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Hi, Related to the Welcome to Linux series, I'd like to draw your attention to the following issue: It's quite hard to be a Linux-only student, at least at TAU (and at least on the exact sciences faculty, although the issue is probably much worse at other faculties). A few years ago, when I was a new student, I complained on this list that the TAU website had significant portions which were only usable with Internet Explorer - that issue seems to have been addressed, and for that I am thankful (I haven't done extensive research, but almost everything I needed in the last year or so seems to have worked. A notable exception is the messages page at http://graddsp.tau.ac.il/msglist.asp?faculty=3.Strangely, it even looks different under IE and Firefox/Opera). Once you start your studies, however, the main problem becomes that a lot of classes are given with PowerPoint presentations, which are then available at the course website. I often ask the prof. about availability of the lectures in a more open format (pdf for example)- some professors realize the error of their ways ( ;-) ) and worry about finding a solution for me while others simply tell me to go to the computer lab and look at the presentations from there. Ideally, it would be officialy policy to have all course materials available in an open format, but I would settle for having that as a de-facto policy. Any ideas what can be done about this? Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any human thing supposed to be complete, must for that reason infallibly be faulty -- Herman Melville, Moby Dick. Spammers: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~orrd/spam.html GPG fingerprint: C2D5 C6D6 9A24 9A95 C5B3 2023 6CAB 4A7C B73F D0AA (This key will never sign Emails, only other PGP keys.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Students on Linux woes
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:29:29 +0200, Yosef Meller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenOffice Impress and writer usually do a wonderful job showing the presentations and .doc files with homework. Homework, interestingly, is not a problem for me. Since homework is written by TAs, it's usually available as pdf or ps (they write it in LaTeX and then convert to pdf/ps). This may be a sign of improvement in the future, when the TAs replace the current professors ;-). Perhaps we TAU students can write a joint letter to the people at the top windows (not the computing division) about why openness is in the true university spirit? I can't see a lot we can do when the budget is shrinking and the entire attitude at TAU is usually 'go find someone to shake you down' (lech hapes mi yenaanea otcha'). Well, maybe I haven't been involved enough, but I haven't (yet?) noticed this attitude. I also find it strange that there are enough Linux people at TAU to organize Linux lectures/days/instaparties, but you say that talking to the computing division is useless. Am I getting the administrative structure of TAU wrong? Are those two sets disjoint? ;-) Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting users privilege for CUPS
Hello list, Recently I'm experiencing some problems using CUPS... Afther a short investigating, I found out that the problem is lack of user privilege in CUPS itself. Alto I googled for a solution about this problem, I could not find any information that can help me to use CUPS regular user under debian unstable, in localhost state. Thank you for any points or information that you can give about this matter, Ido -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Rich Cook = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Students on Linux woes
On Sunday 31 October 2004 22:03, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Ideally, it would be officialy policy to have all course materials available in an open format, but I would settle for having that as a de-facto policy. Hi, I know that this doesn't address your direct complaint about portability issues, however, the latest OpenOffice works very nice for me in reading/seing PowerPoint/Excel/MsWord. Have you tried it ? --Ariel Any ideas what can be done about this? Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. -- -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Students on Linux woes
On Sunday 31 October 2004 23:29, Yosef Meller wrote: Perhaps we TAU students can write a joint letter to the people at the top windows (not the computing division) about why openness is in the true university spirit? I can't see a lot we can do when the budget is shrinking and the entire attitude at TAU is usually 'go find someone to shake you down' (lech hapes mi yenaanea otcha'). Hi, Speaking for the TAU computing division (which for some reason you seem to so quickly dismiss), it would be nice if you could arrange such a petition, and DO mail it to us as well as to the University bodies like the Rector and Vice Rector, and the students Dean. We are doing alot during the past years to make sure that all content we can control is standards aware and not IE specific. There are limitations to what we can do, for example, the availability of standards aware commercial products and alternatives (like the Virtual TAU system you mentioned). best, --Ariel I'm open to sugestions too. Maybe people here had similar experiences and can give advice? -- -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Students on Linux woes
They can print from Powerpoint to a PDF file. 3 steps after installing primopdf http://www.primopdf.com/ -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- - Original Message - From: Alexander Maryanovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Students on Linux woes Hi, Related to the Welcome to Linux series, I'd like to draw your attention to the following issue: It's quite hard to be a Linux-only student, at least at TAU (and at least on the exact sciences faculty, although the issue is probably much worse at other faculties). A few years ago, when I was a new student, I complained on this list that the TAU website had significant portions which were only usable with Internet Explorer - that issue seems to have been addressed, and for that I am thankful (I haven't done extensive research, but almost everything I needed in the last year or so seems to have worked. A notable exception is the messages page at http://graddsp.tau.ac.il/msglist.asp?faculty=3.Strangely, it even looks different under IE and Firefox/Opera). Once you start your studies, however, the main problem becomes that a lot of classes are given with PowerPoint presentations, which are then available at the course website. I often ask the prof. about availability of the lectures in a more open format (pdf for example)- some professors realize the error of their ways ( ;-) ) and worry about finding a solution for me while others simply tell me to go to the computer lab and look at the presentations from there. Ideally, it would be officialy policy to have all course materials available in an open format, but I would settle for having that as a de-facto policy. Any ideas what can be done about this? Alexander (aka Sasha) Maryanovsky. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO and problems parentheses in mixed hebrew/english text
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 10:19:40PM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: I still think that this is the wrong approach, even if it is the easiest. I think that directionality should be taken from the keymap and not explicitly (at least in the normal flow of things). It does cause problems of course if you use shift to enter english keys (even if the are upper case) while in hebrew keyboard, but it is easier then enter direction characters every time you want to change language in the middle of the line. HOLD SHIFT TO ENTER ENGLISH KEYS? I wan not shouting, just demonstrating. In my keyboard layout I hold the menu key to enter English keys. I can also hold the shift for CAPITAL English chars. That is basically the atvantage of the lyx layout over the si1452 layout: you have an extra keyboard switcher available. Why you write English and want to type an LRM, you press menu+shift-t I don't have any experince with tripple-language layouts (e.g: us,ru,il), though. As for a long-term solution: This has just been a long thread about this in the OOo-il mailing list. Unfortunately I can't find any up-to-date online archive of that list. I can mail you my OOo mbox, if you want. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
