Re: messages disappearing from hamakor linux-il archives
On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 08:10:20PM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: On Wednesday, Nov 3, 2004, at 19:30 Asia/Jerusalem, Nadav Har'El wrote: I wonder why it should respect this sort of header. Using a mailing list is a bargain you make. You gain publicity to what you write, and for it you lose privacy. That's right: you can't have publicity *and* privacy at the same time, and usually the balance of privacy and publicity is determined by the mailing list and its subscribers, not by you. This would be the same as saying Publishing pages on a web site means you want to make them public so I shouldn't respect your robots.txt file. There are many reasons why people would not want to archive their messages. For example, if the message contains information which is transient - relevant now, but will become misleading tomorrow. Or when the message is off-topic and they see no value in it being retained. Basically none of those applies on a mailing list. Mails that should not be archived are probably either: 1. malicious/spam 2. duplicates 3. messages that were not meant to be sent to the list. (1) is not relevant to this discussion. (2) is not the typpe of thing that is known in advance, and (3) is actually usually worth archiving :-( -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messages disappearing from hamakor linux-il archives
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 08:10:20PM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: .. There are many reasons why people would not want to archive their messages. For example, if the message contains information which is transient - relevant now, but will become misleading tomorrow. Or when the message is off-topic and they see no value in it being retained. Basically none of those applies on a mailing list. Mails that should not be archived are probably either: 1. malicious/spam 2. duplicates 3. messages that were not meant to be sent to the list. (1) is not relevant to this discussion. (2) is not the typpe of thing that is known in advance, and (3) is actually usually worth archiving :-( Wrong. What I wrote, I meant in the context of a mailing list. An example of messages which are relevant today but will not be tomorrow: job offers. They are allowed on the list, but there is no reason for archiving them and they may even mislead people. And people do send off-topic messages from time to time. Why archive them? Things like In yesterday's lecture during Welcome To Linux I accidentally left a T-shirt in room 004, has anybody seen it? will probably be considered legitimate as this may be the crowd that has a chance of having seen the lost item. But why should this message be kept for posterity? Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Application performance when running it from nfs mounted folder
Hello, I am developing an app for that board on a Fedora Desktop ; There is no way to put the app I develop by ftp on that board. (at the end it will be burned on a Flash) So for the debugging cycle I use nfs mount, and tha app resides on a folder which is nfs mounted. The host on which the app resides is on the same HUB as the board. My question is : is the performance is somewhat lower when running thus ? or is the performance is significantly lower when running thus ? or is the performance the same? Regards, Dan _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Application performance when running it from nfs mounted folder
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 02:56:28PM +0200, Dan Kaspi wrote: Hello, I am developing an app for that board on a Fedora Desktop ; There is no way to put the app I develop by ftp on that board. (at the end it will be burned on a Flash) So for the debugging cycle I use nfs mount, and tha app resides on a folder which is nfs mounted. The host on which the app resides is on the same HUB as the board. My question is : is the performance is somewhat lower when running thus ? or is the performance is significantly lower when running thus ? or is the performance the same? It depends on the application. If it's small, CPU-intensive, you won't notice the difference. If it's large, and you have a lot of RAM, the first time will be slow (loading the app), but further times will run from the cache. If you have very little RAM, expect very poor performance. That, BTW, is compared to a modern IDE disk. Flash is usually slower than a disk, especially in throughput, sometimes much slower. So you might actually get better performance than from the flash. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Application performance when running it from nfs mounted folder
Dan Kaspi wrote: Hello, I am developing an app for that board on a Fedora Desktop ; There is no way to put the app I develop by ftp on that board. (at the end it will be burned on a Flash) Why not? If you don't have a flash availble right now just create a tmpfs file system or use a ramdisk. If the file is too big because of debug symbols strip it and use gdbserver to debug it remotely. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +972.9.8650475 ext. 201 | Fax: +972.9.8850643 I am Jack's Overwritten Stack Pointer -- Hackers Club, the movie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messages disappearing from hamakor linux-il archives
Herouth Maoz wrote: Wrong. What I wrote, I meant in the context of a mailing list. An example of messages which are relevant today but will not be tomorrow: job offers. They are allowed on the list, but there is no reason for archiving them and they may even mislead people. I'm not taking position on the general argument - but I have a counter example for this particular one - I use specific Linux forums similar to linux-il to gather names of companies which would be relevant for job hunting or general Linux related business and archiving of messages about job postings are very useful for this purpose (not necessarily the position itself, but it gives away something about the Linux/FOSS requirements of a business). (no, I don't intend to spam those companies, just approach the relevant people if and when I'm in the right position). --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: messages disappearing from hamakor linux-il archives
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 03:25:17PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herouth Maoz wrote: Wrong. What I wrote, I meant in the context of a mailing list. An example of messages which are relevant today but will not be tomorrow: job offers. They are allowed on the list, but there is no reason for archiving them and they may even mislead people. I'm not taking position on the general argument - but I have a counter example for this particular one - I use specific Linux forums similar to linux-il to gather names of companies which would be relevant for job hunting or general Linux related business and archiving of messages about job postings are very useful for this purpose (not necessarily the position itself, but it gives away something about the Linux/FOSS requirements of a business). (no, I don't intend to spam those companies, just approach the relevant people if and when I'm in the right position). I must say I completely agree. I treat mailing list archives somewhat the same as good software - you can never know how it will be used. And the fact that they are mechanically-manipulatable makes them somewhat like OpenSource. Just as with software, this also does not mean it's allowed - if it is, it's also like Free Software, but it does not have to be (as already discussed here). Just another example: Some time ago someone here created a fortunes file based on old quotes of Marc The Terrible. At the time, many people would have probably said such messages are useless. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
