Re: Suggestion for java/c++ editor with compile, run and debug capabilities.

[Ely Levy]

We give jetbrains to our first year students. We used to let then use emacs
but I think jetbrains was more comfortable for them.

Ely

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 12:41 Shay Gover  wrote:

> As far as I know only eclipse support both.
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 12:26 PM Shlomi Fish  wrote:
>
>> Hi Josh!
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 11:53 AM Josh Roden  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Happy Purim!
>>> We're looking for a Linux editor for first year CS students
>>> that is light on resources.
>>>
>>
>> How much light? People used to complain about emacs needing more than 8
>> megabytes of RAM...
>> Anyway, see
>> https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/resources/editors-and-IDEs/ .
>>
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Re: device/service specific passwords

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You can use Pam.  Doing something similar to
https://www.google.co.il/url?sa=t=web=j=http://www.linux-pam.org/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_listfile.html=0ahUKEwiT-8Cr3PjQAhULvRQKHSkdBPIQFgggMAM=AFQjCNFSd1ceJZUO22TlDUb6XZWa4BieIg=Na3GqqikwOSw0qepvPaZwA

Ely

On Dec 16, 2016 12:51 PM, "E.S. Rosenberg"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have experience/pointers on how to implement passwords for
> specific services/devices, ie. have a different password that only
> works for imap/webmail and can be stored in a device without worrying
> about compromise going any further then what the password gives access
> to?
>
> (Similar to googles' device passwords)
>
> I realize that by having a key on ssh the password for ssh would not
> be the same as the login password for a user but I would like to be
> even more fine-grained.
>
> Thanks and שבת שלום,
> Eliyahu - אליהו
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Re: [JOB OFFER] Android application

[Ely Levy]

Hi,

Sounds like a pretty simple straight forward project.
What sort of help is needed?
Is it going to be used by actual people?

Personally I would have been more motivated to help if it was opensource
project rather than being paid

Ely



On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Linuxers,
 My friend is looking for paid help with a high-school project on android.
 Please see below.
 Thanks
 Orna



 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Ron and Ela Schreier  wrote:

 Hi Orna,



 I ask you to look for a student who could help (under payment of cause)
 my son Itamar

 with his programming project.



 The project is at a level of high school (12'Th grade), and it should
 lead to an android application

 for people hospitalized or under medical care in a hospital.



 The application is designed for both patients and medical stuff.

 It should contain elementary data base of several diseases (or
 illnesses, sickness),

 of different treatments (such as blood tests, CT, MRI, plastering etc.),

 and the medical history of the patient.



 The application will be linked to a server (mounted on a PC), and will
 receive relevant orders

 (which treatments/examinations are needed) and where to go next

 (according to available room in one of the required treatments).



 Medical stuff should have general access to the data base, while
 ordinary users will get only

 what's relevant for them, at the specific care.



 Looking forward to hear from you,



 Ron Schreier

 054-6251104

 ron_ela KRUCHIT hotmail.com ron_...@hotmail.com




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Re: [JOB OFFER] Android application

[Ely Levy]

Yes,
But what sort of help is needed?
Just someone to ask questions? Write code?
Is it part of project program?(where they have official mentors)

NMI

Ely


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.comwrote:

 People - this is a bagrut project. Please think of it as a tutoring job.
 Not as a start up.


 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:32 PM, E.S. Rosenberg 
 esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote:

 Careful the main cost of medical applications is liability insurance!


 2014-02-02 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com:

 Hi Ely,
 There is no reason for the outcome not to be open source. It is paid
 work because someone (Itamar) cares a lot about it - it will affect his
 BAGRUT grade, and he needs a tutor for it.
 Paid does not mean proprietary!
 So this is your chance to shape a young mind in the direction of FOSS...
 Thanks
 Orna


  On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM, E L elyl...@cs.huji.ac.il wrote:

 Hi,

 Sounds like a pretty simple straight forward project.
 What sort of help is needed?
 Is it going to be used by actual people?

 Personally I would have been more motivated to help if it was
 opensource project rather than being paid

 Ely



 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda 
 ladyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Linuxers,
 My friend is looking for paid help with a high-school project on
 android.
 Please see below.
 Thanks
 Orna



 On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Ron and Ela Schreier  wrote:

 Hi Orna,



 I ask you to look for a student who could help (under payment of
 cause) my son Itamar

 with his programming project.



 The project is at a level of high school (12'Th grade), and it
 should lead to an android application

 for people hospitalized or under medical care in a hospital.



 The application is designed for both patients and medical stuff.

 It should contain elementary data base of several diseases (or
 illnesses, sickness),

 of different treatments (such as blood tests, CT, MRI, plastering
 etc.),

 and the medical history of the patient.



 The application will be linked to a server (mounted on a PC), and
 will receive relevant orders

 (which treatments/examinations are needed) and where to go next

 (according to available room in one of the required treatments).



 Medical stuff should have general access to the data base, while
 ordinary users will get only

 what's relevant for them, at the specific care.



 Looking forward to hear from you,



 Ron Schreier

 054-6251104

 ron_ela KRUCHIT hotmail.com ron_...@hotmail.com




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Re: Looking for a job in the Jerusalem area

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Hi
we are looking for a someone at the computer science system group.
Flexible hours nice team but salary is not like in the big companies.

Ely
On Dec 24, 2012 12:32 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote:

 Hi all,
 I hope this is not considered an unacceptable use of the list, and if
 it is please forgive me.

 Recently I sadly lost my job, so I am looking for a new employer.

 I am an experienced Linux sys-architect/admin (roughly 8 years
 experience), since I am still a student in Jerusalem I would prefer a
 part-time job over a full-time one (I can't give the hours needed for
 full-time) and preferably in the Jerusalem area.

 So if any of you know of a company in Jerusalem area that is looking
 or is looking themselves I would greatly appreciate it if you could
 point me their way.

 Feel free to contact me to get my CV.

 Thanks and regards,
 Eliyahu - אליהו

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Re: כריכים

[Ely Levy]

It's ok we all make the mistake or ordering Tona sandwiches at some stage
of our lives.

Ely

2012/10/28 Shahar Dag d...@cs.technion.ac.il

 Sorry

 ** **

 I don't know how I made such mistake

 ** **

 Shahar

 ** **

 *From:* linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:
 linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] *On Behalf Of *Shahar Dag
 *Sent:* Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:22 PM
 *To:* 'IGLU Mailing list'; 'Deansec'
 *Subject:* כריכים
 *Importance:* High

 ** **

 לינוי ובלה שלום

 ** **

 בבקשה תזמינו ליום שלישי ב 12:30 כריכים לסמינר של יוסי שיערך בחדר 235.

 תזמינו כריכים ל 20 איש, אבל בבקשה אל תזמינו טונה. (בפעם שעברה זה היה מצוין)
 

 תשתמשו בתקציב של המעבדה, תקציב מוסדי מספר 7200438

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Re: Unicode in C

[Ely Levy]

I don't think that input/output matters so much,
In something like hspell I/O should be modular so later on encoding can be
added.
After all it already has function to translate to/from internal
representation.
I believe that iso-8859-8 and utf8 should be good enough for starts.

Ely

2012/3/13 kobi zamir kobi.za...@gmail.com



 So I guess that you're also in the UTF-8 camp.


 yes, but my opinion about utf-8 is just my opinion. i like python and
 python defaults to utf-8.

 gtk likes unicode and utf-8:
 http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/glib-Unicode-Manipulation.html
 qt likes more options:
 http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qstring.html

 Looking at http://code.google.com/p/hspell-gir/, I see that hspell-gui
 has a bug


 i probably misused the enum_split function, but i do not have time to
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Re: Unicode in C

[Ely Levy]

What's the advantage of using ucs-4 internally?
Especially if the program needs to save memory (embedded devices are pretty
common these days).

Ely

2012/3/12 Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com

 My suggestion is go the glib/gtk approach and use utf-8 everywhere and
 have the API accept char*, i.e. there is no typedef for a unicode character
 strings. If this is not acceptable because of speed (this is its only
 tradeoff), then use UCS-4 internally and provide two external interfaces
 for UCS-4 and UTF-8. For backwards compatibility you can provide your own
 iso-8859-8 to utf8 conversion functions. I suggest that you don't add an
 iconv dependence but let the user take care of character set conversions,
 which you don't really care about.

 Regards,
 Dov

 2012/3/12 Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com

 The simplest option is, to accept StringPiece-like structure (pointer to
 buffer + size), and encoding, then to convert the data internally to your
 encoding (say, ISO-8859-8, replacing illegal characters with whitespace),
 and convert the other output back.

 Do you mind using iconv-like library?


 On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Nadav Har'El 
 n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 Hi, I have a question that I was sort of sad that I couldn't readily
 find the answer to...

 Let's say I want to create a C API (a C library), with functions which
 take strings as arguments. What am I supposed to use if I want these
 strings
 to be in any language? Obviously the answer is Unicode, but that
 doesn't really answer the question... How is Unicode used in C?

 As far as I can see, there are two major approaches to this problem.

 One approach, used in the Win32 C APIs on MS-Windows, and also in Java
 and
 other languages, is to use wide characters - characters of 16 or 32 bit
 size, and strings are an array of such characters.

 The second approach, proposed by Plan 9, is to use UTF-8.

 I personally like better the UTF-8 approach, because it naturally fits
 with C's char * type and with Linux's system calls (which take char*,
 not any sort of wide characters), but I'm completely unsure that this is
 what users actually want. If not, then I wonder, why?

 Some background on this question: People have been complaining for years
 that Hspell, and in particular the libhspell functions, use ISO-8859-8
 instead of unicode. But if one wants to add unicode to libhspell, what
 should it be? UTF-8? Wide chars (UTF-16 or UTF-32)?

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Re: [OUT?] Help with Android?

[Ely Levy]

Not that I care, but aren't there enough android communities?
such as http://www.androidil.net/forum/content/ ?
BTW this is the reason why I don't find the list so interesting.
There are some people here who keep sending everything a bit interesting
with more
than 2 emails a day to a different list.

oh well,

Ely

2012/1/15 Lior Kaplan kaplanl...@gmail.com

 On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Mordechai Behar 
 mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 So...
 Will there be a notification on this list when the new Android list goes
 online? I for one am an amateur Android tinkerer and would love to learn
 from others as well as share my thoughts and experiences.


 I'll create it tomorrow and update this list.

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Re: Goodbye, Lingnu

[Ely Levy]

What can you do? In our field you need to stay with your hand on the pulse.
Yesterday it was clouds, now html5 and phone applications tomorrow
something else.
You either swim with the flow or drown.

Ely

2011/11/14 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz

  On 11/14/2011 01:36 PM, Omer Zak wrote:

 The business does not exist today because we were not successful
 in locating another good niche once the original niche disappeared
 (which was far from taking us by surprise).


  But this is precisely why this doesn't work. Every niche will disappear,
 sooner or later.

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Re: Linux is ready for the desktop!

[Ely Levy]

Hi,
You might want to take a look at:

http://www.hboeck.de/archives/787-The-sad-state-of-the-Linux-Desktop.html

Or one of the other million posts on the web about it.
Linux desktop is a mess, from video support (no ogl 3 even) sucky sound
support (pulseaudio has it's share of bugs and alsa is way too limited)
Lack of programs (Most of the program are not in the level you can give a
simple user e.g. normal sound/video/flash editor and so on).
The programs which are around don't play nicely with each other. Freedesktop
is so busy in not deciding on any standard that it changes
utility programs every 2 days and never document any of them.
(policykit/udisks/upower/dbus? who say what to who?). Sucky unicode
support/sucky nonstandard bidi support. Lack of normal office suite. Lack of
production quality voice/video over ip client. For programs things are even
worth, nothing that compared to xcode or visual studio, million of gui
interfaces, no debugger with good interface  or profiler (oprofile is way
too complicated unless you are a linux savvy). Every new technology takes
years before it get open source support (try finding normal opencl utilities
on linux) and I can continue for days.

And please spare me all that hardware people fault or everyone like
microsoft. If there is one good thing apple did, it's making this excuse
void.

Ely


On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011, Guy Tetruashvyly wrote about Re: Linux is ready for
 the desktop!:
  Antoher issue I wanted to mention, and I don't know how many of you
  would agree, is  regarding the
  pirated software in Israel. Here in the U.S , a store would rarely
  ever offer an installation of pirated software, the BSA here

 In my experience, the situation in Israel is not very different. I'm sure
 that you can find small shops who will be willing to install illegal copies
 of Windows for you, but the major chains (such as Ivory, where I happened
 to buy) will not take that risk. They are happy, though, to sell a computer
 *without an operating system*, and probably assume that you or a geek
 friend
 will install some illegal copy of Windows on it, but they won't help you
 actually do this installation.

 It would be nice if instead of selling you a computer without an OS, they
 would sell you one with Linux (as I described in my previous email). Don't
 like it? You can still install the pirated Windows you wanted to install in
 the first place. But at least give peace (or in this case, free software) a
 chance.

  The obviousness of purchasing and paying full price for software in
  the western world makes the Linux marketing much easier, in my
  opinion.

 When computers cost 5,000 shekels, adding 500 shekels for Windows was
 annoying,
 but sort of acceptable. But now that the price of a new computer dropped to
 a measly 1,000 shekels? I can hardly see how people accept paying an
 additional
 50% for the OS. Or even more for the OS plus office. So I agree we should
 be
 seeing more success for Linux (and OpenOffice) marketing. I predict we
 will,
 in the coming years. As I mentioned, my workplace already completely
 dropped
 MS-Office. I think the transition is just beginning.

  I believe that in places that software piracy is common,
  where a copy of WIn7 Home-edition is also  free  , it kind of
  takes the sting out.

 I agree :(

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Re: Linux is ready for the desktop!

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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote:

 Hello Ely,

 please reply to the list (or don't reply at all.).

 On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 09:52:04 +0300
 Ely Levy elyl...@cs.huji.ac.il wrote:

  Hi,
  You might want to take a look at:
 
 
 http://www.hboeck.de/archives/787-The-sad-state-of-the-Linux-Desktop.html
 
  Or one of the other million posts on the web about it.

 A million posts? Did you count them?

 And this post is kinda long.

  Linux desktop is a mess, from video support (no ogl 3 even)

 By ogl 3, do you mean OpenGL version 3? All the video files I throw at
 VLC
 or mplayer just work, but I admit I'm not an OpenGL power user (which is
 3-D
 graphics for games/etc. and not particularly related to video playback.).

 Video playback actually works well on Linux. Unless of course you wish to
view your new blue-ray video.
OpenGL acceleration is used by various of applications these days. From 3D
effects on your desktop, to rendering graphs using Matlab.
One could also add the general poor state of the Linux graphic stack, but
let us assume that gallium and wayland will reach production level quality
during our lifetime.


  sucky sound
  support (pulseaudio has it's share of bugs and alsa is way too limited)

 I never liked PulseAudio and always disable it. What's wrong with ALSA?

 PulseAudio provides a few important features, the two most well known are
controllable per-application volume levels and providing a cross platform
API.


  Lack of programs (Most of the program are not in the level you can give a
  simple user e.g. normal sound/video/flash editor and so on).

 I admit the situation with Video editors is a problem, and I don't know
 about
 Adobe Flash editors (I don't really like Flash). But my father had no
 problems
 coping with Audacity ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ ) on Windows, and
 I'm
 using it for various small tasks too. What do you find is lacking with it?

 I should note that I'm also skeptical about how many people ever edit
 sound,
 video or Flash.

 Audacity are very lacking on effects and other features required for a
hobbyist power user.


  The programs which are around don't play nicely with each other.

 How so?

Very hard to create a smooth experience between all the different toolkits.
They all behave differently and lack a common look and feel.



 Freedesktop
  is so busy in not deciding on any standard that it changes
  utility programs every 2 days and never document any of them.
  (policykit/udisks/upower/dbus? who say what to who?).

 Well, I'm a little overwhelmed by this myself, but it otherwise seems to
 work
 and not be a concern of a user.

 If you are talking about the PC home market then yes. The user admin
his/her own machine.
And if changing a policy requires dealing with one of the many XML files
that resides on the system these days,
I can see how that person will want to move back to windows:)


  Sucky unicode
  support/sucky nonstandard bidi support.

 1. Why do you think that Linux's Bidirectionality support is non-standard?

 There are too many implementations of the Unicode standard, each is doing
things a bit differently.
There are also a lot of situations that the standard doesn't cover at all.
Look at the different Bidi behaviour
between KDE/Gnome and Openoffice. Sadly I no longer remember the bug report
numbers by heart.


 2. Why do you think that Linux's Unicode support is bad?

 It's been a while since I recall having a significant Unicode problem with
 Linux.

 You mean once you ignore the various c programs, perl scripts and pre
python 3 programs,  which weren't
written with unicode in mind? Have you ever tried porting a wxwidget program
to use unicode?
The situation is a lot better if you strict yourself to QT/GTK based
programs. But still there is a long way to go...


  Lack of normal office suite.

 Well, by this card, the only normal office suite around is Microsoft
 Office
 (which only runs properly on Windows), and all the alternatives are much
 lamer. Many users will be perfectly happy with OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice.

 The users are know are complaining about the lack of presenter Hebrew
support and bad Hebrew import from word documents.


  Lack of
  production quality voice/video over ip client.

 Do you mean SIP or something like Skype?

 Yes, something like skype on windows, not the shadow of a skype that exists
on Linux.
And please don't offer me to use ekiga unless you actually used it and saw
how lacking it is
on performance.


  For programs things are even
  worth, nothing that compared to xcode or visual studio, million of gui
  interfaces, no debugger with good interface  or profiler (oprofile is way
  too complicated unless you are a linux savvy).

 Well, many programmers (including me and many people I interact with on
 IRC) are
 perfectly happy developing on Linux using command-line tools and non-IDE
 editors. There are also Eclipse, KDevelop, Anjuta, etc. that some people
 like

Re: Linux is ready for the desktop!

[Ely Levy]

It's just that the desktop is not ready for Linux:P
Nadav, you are welcome to come visit here at huji and I'll show you all the
100 of problems we have using linux.

Ely


On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.orgwrote:

  Well, if Fedora 15 wasn't that intertwined with NetworkManager which
 tried
  to do all of this automatically, maybe this is what I would have done.
  But the current situation is that ordinary non-root users are not
 expected
  to take network interfaces up and down. Or, if they are, I'm not sure how
  this is supposed to work. Maybe you can tell me.

 You can configure any interface as user-controlled. In the
 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and similar files the line
 is USERCTL=yes. If you start system-config-network and open the edit
 GUI on an interface you'll see the corresponding checkbox. It is not
 clear to me if this option is dependent on NM in any way - I suspect
 it may be.

  All a newbie wants is somebody who'll
  tell him, step by step, what to do. And the sad fact is that for Windows
  he can get that help from many places - his ISP, the product's official
 site,
  and so on - but for Linux it's harder to get this advice.

 In my mind Linux is not ready for desktop and ISP Support are not
 good at supporting newbies on Linux are two different things though.
 It does look to me like you are mostly making this second statement,
 which I quite agree with. it is a fair statement that readiness
 implies a suitable environment, and the Support environment in Israel
 is not quite suitable for complete newbies on Linux.

 As I mentioned, however, watching my parents and their friends (older
 generation) on Windows I'd argue that Windows is not ready by
 exactly the same token. It is just as darn difficult, and it does
 require a savvy technical help on a regular basis.

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Re: Hebrew books entries to Calibre

[Ely Levy]

It's not complicated to write a plugin to Calibre that does what you want.
But personally I don't like working for commercial companies for free.
I think the right thing to do is to go the cddb way of making a free
database
for books and dana codes. I don't trust a company to not all the sudden
change their mind and decide to ask for money.

Ely

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il wrote:

 Hi All,

 Just a quick recap:

 I would like to add my 300~ Hebrew books to by Calibre [1] catalog. I
 already add most of my English books. The problem with Hebrew books is
 that they have no ISBN (almost all of the new ones) but the Israeli
 equivalent - D.A.N.A. Code.
 Currently, there is no way to freely query the D.A.N.A. Code database. This
 code is provided and the database is maintained by a private company
 called Dana Code Systems [2].

 I understand it is easy enough to write a plugin to extend Calibre's
 capabilities, so I thought maybe we (as in the FOSS community in Israel) can
 write that plugin and query the database. I called Dana Code Systems
 and spoke with Uri - a developer.

 He says it's not a problem to query their data base for book info, but the
 info included is intended for book shops and book distributors: Price,
 category, author - no book cover or summery.

 He is willing to grant us query access to the data base if I convince him
 it will be worth while for his company from a business point of view, i.e.:
 They will provide the access in return for paying customers, being a private
 company and all...

 Dana Code Systems sells a year subscription to access their data base. They
 once considered populating the DB with the missing data (cover image,
 summery etc.), and even found a Librarian that was willing to do the data
 entry, but they dropped it due to financial reasons.

 In short, any of you can think of a way we can, as a community, make this
 happen?

 I am willing to help, but I am no developer, just a Linux user... :-)

 Uri is waiting for an e-mail from me, with my suggestion.

 Thanks!

 Amichai.

 [1] http://calibre-ebook.com/
 [2] http://www.danacode.co.il/

 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:57, E L nak...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you know any site that can be used to get the information by the
 D.A.N.A code?

 Ely


 On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.ilwrote:

 Dana Code is the Israeli equivalent to ISBN.

 Pick up any Hebrew book from your bookshelf and look on the back cover,
 where the barcode is.
 On Aug 24, 2011 10:09 PM, E L nak...@gmail.com wrote:
  There are Hebrew books which don't have ISBN number?
  And what's a dana code? I can't find it on google?
 
  Ely
 
  2011/8/24 Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il
 
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Re: Hebrew books entries to Calibre

[Ely Levy]

maybe http://openlibrary.org/ will help?
I think you can just ask them to support another type of code.

Ely

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il wrote:

 Say we set it up and start entering data, isn't there a legal issue?

 I'd like to have the the following info:

 Author
 Title
 Publisher
 Year Published
 Dana Code (A.K.A. ISBN, Serial Number)
 Number of pages
 Category (Fiction, SciFi...)
 etc.

 I am guessing some of this (like the book cover) might be copyrighted
 material. Do we need to contact the publishers and/or  the copyright owners
 to get their permission to include their books in the DB?

 Amichai.

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Re: what was the name of the app...

[Ely Levy]

Mosix does not exactly show on cpu, it lets you run a lot of instances of
the same program and then it spread it
around in the cluster/multi-cluster. The main program with mosix is the lack
of thread/shared memory support,
but beside that it's quite useful. (We use it at huji with quite a few
clusters).

2011/8/17 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com

 Please - this view needs to be uprooted.

 OpenMosix was just a highly PR-ed fork of the real software, MOSIX.
 http://www.mosix.org/
 Mosix is very maintained and fully developed  by a group of researchers
 from HUJI. The latest news is that it supports sharing accelerators using
 openCL, which I find very interesting.

 My master thesis:) Which now became an official part of the mosix
distribution.


 Credit where credit is due.

 Orna


Ely

 2011/8/14 Etzion Bar-Noy eza...@tournament.org.il

 OpenMosix, but it I's hardly usefull for most usages, old, not really
 maintained,  and very expensive. Why do you need it?

 Ez
 On Aug 14, 2011 9:07 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Few years ago I heard about an app which can connect few servers
 behind it
  - and show itself as a single cpu (single machine), so if you ran an
  application on this app, it would do the magic of dividing parts to
 other
  servers and combining them back.
 
  Anyone remember the application name or URL for it?
 
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Hebrew Nikud and fribidi

[Ely Levy]

Hi,

I noticed that fribidi doesn't work correctly on Hebrew strings
with nikud in them. It seems that the nikud goes below or above the wrong
character. Did anyone else notice this bug? Since I didn't find
any bug report about it I was wondering if it's something that broke
in the latest versions.


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Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?

[Ely Levy]

Are you going to start that discussion again?
Everyone said their opinion and nothing new was added for quite a few emails
now.
Maybe we should just let it die out?

Ely

2011/6/15 Erez D erez0...@gmail.com



 2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org

 Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun:
 
  On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
  
  I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a
  private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private
  person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli
  institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is
  boycotting Israel.
 
  You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once
  he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case
  president, it does.

 you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you
 oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO
 registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that
 registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF
 spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it
 otherwise.

 two sideline remarks:
 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as
 a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a
 real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this
 Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven
 to act the same:

 http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c47f2e3f8031004.htm#

 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes
 out :-)

  --
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 Ira, I do not know you, but from my experience, people that say they are
 'peace makers' usually cause the opposite ... ;-)
 (e.g. neville chamberlain)

  Ira Abramov
 http://ira.abramov.org/email/


 On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF,
 even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in.
 I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel.

 I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is
 anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive.
 I also believe that leaving the issue in low profile would be best.

 you may agree or not. this is my opinions.


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Re: sponsorship?

[Ely Levy]

oh, no! so tor was a terrorist plot after all???

Ely

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:43 PM, geoffrey mendelson 
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:


 On May 29, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Stan Goodman wrote:


 What twisted reasoning!



 Not really, if you go back to his writings, he's been anti-Israel and
 pro-Palestinain since the days of Ariel Sharon. If you google him, you find
 that he espouses those views even now.

 Unfortunately he has gone from the GNU spokesperson to the GNU AND
 anti-Israel spokesperson. Something I fear will not be forgotten.

 In the past it did not matter, no one really cared at that level, but now
 we all have been forced to take sides. Personally if it is a choice between
 GNU and Israel, I'll be looking for GNU-free software (as opposed to GNU
 FREE).

 IMHO this is going to get ugly, people are going to ask questions that were
 irrelevant or nonexistant such as how much money does the FSF get from
 terror organizations?, should RMS be allowed in Israel, etc. There is a
 lot of money in free software, and if there is money there is politics and
 if political capital can be made from it, it will.

 Geoff.


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Re: MS buys Skype - will it support Linux

[Ely Levy]

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote:
 On Wed, May 11, 2011, Amos Shapira wrote about MS buys Skype - will it 
 support Linux:
 In case this haven't hit your newspad yet:
 http://blogs.skype.com/en/2011/05/microsoft_will_acquire_skype.html

 Any ideas on what it implies for none-Windows platform support?

 I am not aware of *any* Microsoft product that is officially supported on
 Linux. So I don't think there's any chance that a Linux version of Skype
 will continue to exist.

 That being said, three questions remain to be answered:

 1. How hard is it to create a free front-end to the Skype servers? For
   example, ICQ never had (as far as I know) a Linux version, but I've been
   using it for years through free clients like (today) Pidgin.

very hard, it's encrypted on development protocol.

 2. With all the world moving to VOIP and video chats, is Skype still unique?
   I know that Google Voice is available (but not in Israel...), and probably
   others (I didn't look too hard).

Yes, but the unique features are not available on linux anyhow (such
as multi person video chatting).
Skype is also very easy and comfortable to configure. I've been trying
to find a good opensource replacement
on linux for years now:(

 3. Will Microsoft also drop support for Skype on non-Microsoft smartphone OSs
   (iOS, android, etc.)?

Probably, it seems that they are aiming for xbox/new windows mobile phones.


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Re: How do you calculate?

[Ely Levy]

Just run bc -l
Also python is pretty nice for basic math.

Ely

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 On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 For years, I've been wondering: How do other Unix or Linux users do simple
 calculations?

 Do you take out an actual physical calculator (which is of course
 ridiculous)?
 Do you use software that looks like a physical calculator (xcalc, kcalc,
 etc.)?

 Or do you use bc? Does anyone actually use bc, which returns 0 as a
 result
 for the calculation 2/3? :-) Of course, you can use scale=10 (or the
 -l
 option to bc) to fix that, but how many first-time users would know that?
 What posessed the person who decided to make scale=0 the default? :-)


 Indeed this is why I rarely use bc (and I am sorry when I do). For  most
 purposes (that is, if I do not need a math function, which is not loaded
 when no executable is loaded), I use gdb.


 What I have been using myself, is my own version of Kernighan  Pike's
 Hoc
 (see http://nadav.harel.org.il/homepage/hoc/). But since this didn't
 catch on,
 as didn't the original Hoc (which was available in Research Unix and Plan
 9,
 but not anywhere else), unfortunately I'm one of the few who do. All of
 the
 rest are missing on the convenience of Hoc ;-)

 So I was wondering - how come there isn't more pressure on the Linux
 distributions to include a decent and convenient calculator language?
 Or do people consider what is available decent enough already?

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Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1

[Ely Levy]

I think it should be done in the following order:
- If hspell doesn't have it add for each word if it's a verb adjective and
so on.
- Grammatical analyzer - I saw a doc work that was released under GPL about
it long ago.
- Grammatical fixer (maybe better spelling suggestion based on grammar
- Independent of that we need a list of words and their nikud (I also saw
one in that doc work)
- Nikud checker
- Nakdan

Does anyone know where will be a good place to start getting word list with
nikud?
Or where is the doc work that made grammatical analyzer?

Ely
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Dan Kenigsberg dan...@cs.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 Who said anything about *few* rules? They are many, and are complex, and
 have
 gazillion of exceptions. But they exist, and putting them into effect in
 hspell's inflection scripts is doable, albeit requiring a lot of meticulous
 work. The classical references for niqqud are Luah HaShemot HaShalem and
 Luah
 HaP`alim HaShalem by Shaul Bakali. These tables include all the rules and
 all
 the exceptions needed to add the correct niqqud to Hebrew words.

 On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 02:02:21AM +0200, Ely Levy wrote:
  I can only talk from my own experience, I couldn't find any good source
 for
  rules about nikud and grammar in a simple form.
  I did find some gpled work list with nikud, and I think I even talked to
 the
  people in mila.
  But no one could provide that few rules you are talking about.
  (And I'm still confused about the difference between old and modern
  grammar/nikud...)
 
  Ely
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il
 wrote:
 
   On Thu, Dec 31, 2009, E L wrote about Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1:
I think the main problem is what need to be done and not the man
 power to
program it.
If someone know of what are the rules grammar or nikud checkers
 should
follow I'm sure it won't be a big
deal programing one
  
   I beg to differ.
  
   First of all, most of the needed knowledge already exists, published in
   numerous papers and books, and demonstrated by several pieces of
 commercial
   software. One doesn't need to come with advanced knowledge of the
 topic,
   any more than I had to be some spell-checking expert before I started
   Hspell.
   All one needs is a willingness to learn, and of course the
 resourcefulness
   to put it into good use.
  
   Second, while the work on Hspell had a lot of very interesting
 theoretical
   sides and problems to solve (in linguistics, language, compression,
 etc.),
   most of the work was actually the mundane and almost endless task of
 making
   lists of words (a task which you can see, still isn't done 10 years
 after
   starting the project). For niqqud checking, there is also a lot of
 similar
   mundane work that needs to be done (writing the right niqqud for each
   word),
   and that takes a lot of time.
   For grammar checking, it depends what you call grammar: If you also
 want
   to include semantics, and not just grammar - like Prof. Uzzi Ornan did
 in
   his text-to-speech and niqqud research (and product) - there's also
 tons
   of work that needs to be done on creating classes of nouns, listing
   arguments
   of verbs, and so on. I guess you can start with just grammar, though,
 and
   in this case, you're right - it should be doable without too much data
   collection - so maybe this is indeed a good project to start with.
  
   This is all very interesting work. Unfortunately, I do not see myself
   starting it in the near future. If anyone is interested in taking a
 shot
   at it, I'd love to advise - please contact me and/or Dan privately.
  
   Nadav.
  
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Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1

[Ely Levy]

Cool:)
Any news on grammar checking/nikud checking?

Ely

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 We are proud to present version 1.1 of Hspell, the free Hebrew
 spell-checker
 and morphological analyzer.

 You can find the new release in the project's homepage:
http://hspell.ivrix.org.il/

 Over three years have passed since our previous release. In that time, we
 continued to improve Hspell's vocabulary, and enlarged it by 900 more base
 words. Hspell is now closer to full coverage of the modern Hebrew language
 than it ever was.

 We've always been proud of Hspell's accuracy and its compliance with the
 spelling standard set by the Academy of the Hebrew Language. Nevertheless,
 we continuously get asked why Hspell spells certain words the way that it
 does. So, starting with this release, Hspell now includes a document which
 describes its spelling standard and discusses the numerous spelling
 questions
 which we had to answer while developing hspell.
 This document is still a work in progress, but even at its present form
 is already quite readable and, we hope, educational. It is available in
 Hspell's tarball, and also online:
http://hspell.ivrix.org.il/niqqudless.pdf

 Not only people who download Hspell from our site will benefit from this
 release. For several years now, only a minority of Hspell's users
 downloaded
 it from our site. Hspell has become the de-facto standard Hebrew
 spell-checker
 in the free software world and beyond; It is available in Linux
 distributions,
 in Aspell's and Hunspell's dictionary collections, and as OpenOffice and
 Firefox plugins. Even Google's hugely popular mail service, GMail, uses
 Hspell as its Hebrew spell-checker. We expect that the new Hspell release
 will soon propagate to all these applications, so that their users will
 also be able to enjoy the improved vocabulary of Hspell 1.1.

 Enjoy Hspell 1.1. No further releases are expected this year ;-)

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Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1

[Ely Levy]

I think the main problem is what need to be done and not the man power to
program it.
If someone know of what are the rules grammar or nikud checkers should
follow I'm sure it won't be a big
deal programing one

Ely

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009, E L wrote about Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1:
  Cool:)
  Any news on grammar checking/nikud checking?

 Not really... Do you (or anyone else) want to volunteer to help us work on
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Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1

[Ely Levy]

I can only talk from my own experience, I couldn't find any good source for
rules about nikud and grammar in a simple form.
I did find some gpled work list with nikud, and I think I even talked to the
people in mila.
But no one could provide that few rules you are talking about.
(And I'm still confused about the difference between old and modern
grammar/nikud...)

Ely

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote:

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009, E L wrote about Re: Announce: Hspell 1.1:
  I think the main problem is what need to be done and not the man power to
  program it.
  If someone know of what are the rules grammar or nikud checkers should
  follow I'm sure it won't be a big
  deal programing one

 I beg to differ.

 First of all, most of the needed knowledge already exists, published in
 numerous papers and books, and demonstrated by several pieces of commercial
 software. One doesn't need to come with advanced knowledge of the topic,
 any more than I had to be some spell-checking expert before I started
 Hspell.
 All one needs is a willingness to learn, and of course the resourcefulness
 to put it into good use.

 Second, while the work on Hspell had a lot of very interesting theoretical
 sides and problems to solve (in linguistics, language, compression, etc.),
 most of the work was actually the mundane and almost endless task of making
 lists of words (a task which you can see, still isn't done 10 years after
 starting the project). For niqqud checking, there is also a lot of similar
 mundane work that needs to be done (writing the right niqqud for each
 word),
 and that takes a lot of time.
 For grammar checking, it depends what you call grammar: If you also want
 to include semantics, and not just grammar - like Prof. Uzzi Ornan did in
 his text-to-speech and niqqud research (and product) - there's also tons
 of work that needs to be done on creating classes of nouns, listing
 arguments
 of verbs, and so on. I guess you can start with just grammar, though, and
 in this case, you're right - it should be doable without too much data
 collection - so maybe this is indeed a good project to start with.

 This is all very interesting work. Unfortunately, I do not see myself
 starting it in the near future. If anyone is interested in taking a shot
 at it, I'd love to advise - please contact me and/or Dan privately.

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Re: Open Source Games or the Lack of Them

[Ely Levy]

Linux game experience is affected a lot by the lack of normal graphic API
(It seems not serious engine uses opengl, even less use opengl shader
language.) Drivers for most card work slowly on linux. With the exception of
the closed source NVidia drivers.
Beside that Linux is also really lacking on the sound front. OpenAL seems
the most common cross platform api and still somehow it's complicated and
rather buggy. SDL is a solution yes, but it's still have high latency and
not so easy to use API.
At least input and joysticks seems to work fine with the SDL 1.3 svn so
that's one thing off the list :)

Of course there are some other issues, cross distribution libraries (LSB?),
lack of installer and the few other minor things.

One good thing about the future is that wine seems to work well with
directx, so maybe the future is using wine libs
for graphic and sound..

Ely

2009/9/23 Michael Ben-Nes mich...@epoch.co.il

 For years I been waiting to get the same Windows gaming experience from
 Linux.Sadly the gap is just get wider over time and I don't think the
 increase will reverse it self in the coming years.

 Lucky us technology change rapidly and my expectation is that in the coming
 years gaming / application will be streamed to our computer from near
 by libraries.
 So putting it simply you will have at your disposal the choice of games /
 application of every OS. What at least render the lack of games on Linux.
 Here is pick to a possible future:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-w56hQxmnY

 As for the Opensource concept, I can only hope that in the coming years
 companies will benefit by using the opensource model. That might give them
 the ability to harness the community to add extra feature to their games.
 There is also the question if the result of this workflow will be better
 games ( Sell more ) or like the result of the wiki book ( lame content ).

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 On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:

 Hi all!

 Someone emailed me in private and said that you don't want to mention
 open
 source gaming. It's a sad joke. and other stuff like that. I'd like to
 mention some reasons for why I think this is largely the case.

 Reason: Proprietary Games are OK.
 ---

 If you read Joel on Software's
 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FiveWorlds.html , you'll see that
 commercial games play by different rules than what Joel calls shrinkwrap
 software, which is software (whether open-source or proprietary) that is
 distributed or used in the wild by many different people. A game must be
 perfectly right the first time, most games are failures, and generally
 games
 require much more effort than just coding the engine.

 Richard M. Stallman was quoted as saying that game engines should be
 free,
 but approves of the notion that graphics, music, and stories could all be
 separate and treated differently (i.e., Non-Free.):

 http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/09/191257

 Since a typical game nowadays costs a lot of money to develop, and
 requires
 the collaboration of many people, it seems unlikely that we will see many
 open-source games that are up-to-par with commercial offerings. When we
 work
 on FOSS alternatives to commercial apps: Firefox, Thunderbird,
 OpenOffice.org,
 Inkscape, GIMP, Audacity, etc. we can expect the first versions to have
 some
 bugs and that some features will be missing even in the contemporary
 versions,
 because either they don't matter much to people or because we will
 eventually
 catch up with them. But we cannot afford to do it in most games.

 My hope is that eventually either game engines would indeed be open-source
 or
 at least close (because the amount of work done on the engine is minuscule
 in
 comparison to the rest of the game) so they can be ported to Linux, or
 that at
 least game companies will start supporting Linux better once it gains
 marketshare, or that wine, cedega, etc. will allow better support.

 Reportedly, Blizzard has been using GNU/Linux internally to develop their
 games (World of Warcraft, etc.) and test them, but has not released an
 official version for Linux yet, or supports it.

 Reason: Graphic Artists are unwilling to contribute
 -

 For some reason or another it seems that talented graphic artists do not
 volunteer to contribute to open-source/open-content, whether games or
 other
 software. You can see some discussion of it here:


 http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/shlomif.html#third-sharp-perl-reich

 And scrottie later continued it in this blog comment to a post where a
 graphic designer expresses moral outrage at being asked by Google to
 contribute design work to 

Re: eTextBooks (for kids)

[Ely Levy]

1. Matach already started uploading books
2. Books the schools use need to be approved
3. They sell those books like amazon does so they still earn quite a bit
money
4. There was never a michraz of who can provide the books in cheaper price,
so you actually have a
lot of parents who must buy those specific books with no one watching how
much they cost.
That can get to 300+ nis per year per child.

Ely

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Dave Stav d...@tkos.co.il wrote:


 What we if write free text books and after publishing them, offer a
 match-to-your-need service?

  - Dave

 On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 09:47:15AM +0300, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
  On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
 
  Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:40:58 +0300
  From: Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com
  To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
  Cc: ILUG linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
  Subject: Re: eTextBooks (for kids)
 
  That argument is like the arguments against writing free software
 because it
  will put the software vendors out of business. It is clear that the
 interest
 
  No, it's a very different argument. The correct analogy here is music.
  The content market is not the same as the sotware market. There is a free
  software market, but there is no free content market. And the main reason
  is that there is a revenue model for free software, but no revenue model
  for free content.
 
   - yba
 
 
  of the consumer is to have the information available for free, and if
  someone wants to volunteer their time to provide this information for
 free,
  then all the more respect to them. Of course this will make the
 publishers
  unhappy, and they'll have to compete harder to have someone pay for
 their
  work.
 
  But this is all hypothetical as I have yet to hear about any such
 project.
 
  Regards,
  Dov
 
  2009/9/8 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
 
  Hi All,
  Don't forget that there is a large industry of authors and publishers
 who
  make their living on the current paper book model. Like music, this is
 a
  content market whose reason for existence is payment for content.
 
  I think that a better idea for a free education project in this
 direction
  would be an online publishing house the would sell kindle style
 versions of
  the current content offering.
  Regards,
 
   - yba
 
 
  On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
 
   Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:22:37 +0300
  From: Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com
  To: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
  Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
  Subject: Re: eTextBooks (for kids)
 
 
  This reminds me of a public service project that I have thought
 about
  for
  some time. It would be nice if someone created some free (as in
 license)
  books that would pass the requirements of the education ministry.
 These
  could then be downloaded as e-books or printed, copied partially,
  photocopied, translated, modified, read in audioform, etc, which would
 be
  a
  great service to the all kids and parents.
 
  Just my 2 ag,
  Dov
 
  On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 14:06, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Is there a place to buy electronic versions of textbooks for
 (israeli)
  school children?
  The schools don't have places for kids to keep their books on
 premises,
 
  so
 
  they have to schlep all their books all day long. They are heavy.
  I'd
  rather they carried a small laptop or e-book reader.
  Any ideas?
 
 
  You are ahead of your time. What grade are the kids in? You should
  know that the books are likely used for more than reading, for
  instance they may have to write in the book.
 
  You should also know that Education Ministry limits the sacks on
 one's
  back to 10% of their body weight. If your kid's books and a
 reasonable
  pack exceed this, complain to the school management. Keep us
 informed.
 
 
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Re: eTextBooks (for kids)

[Ely Levy]

I think it was like that also in the pre 67 Israel.

Ely

2009/9/8 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il

 Hi Arieh,
 I have edited your post below slightly to exactly match the Seattle public
 school system in the 60's of last century. Except for the text in brackets
 ([]) the rest is identical.

  - yba


 On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Arie Skliarouk wrote:

  Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:58:14 +0300
 From: Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com
 To: ILUG linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
 Subject: Re: eTextBooks (for kids)

 Hi,

 In [socialistic USSR] capitalist Seattle public school system 1961, school
 books were not bought each year. Instead pupils
 had to take them from their's school library for the coming year and
 return
 them at end of the year. Each book had worn out level marked on cover of
 the book and one had to be careful not to wore out the book too much
 during
 the year. As a penalty for lost or unusable book, the student had to buy a
 new book for the library. To draw or mark text in the book was a big
 no-no.
 All books had hard-cover and had strong binding for durability. Every
 student was required to put the book he got into special plastic boundary.
 If a course required pupils to draw on printed material (like letters in
 the
 first form), the pupil had to buy addendum personal notebook he had to
 draw
 in. I remember I used books with 15-20 name-year pairs in it.

 Needless to say, all books were [written] approved by a department in the
 Ministry of Education, and [not] private author benefited from the
 authorship.

 After all there were some good economy tactics in the [socialism]
 capitalism that IMHO should be applied to capitalism [Israeli socialism]
 (albeit forcefully)...

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Re: eTextBooks (for kids)

[Ely Levy]

That's a bit off topic I think?
Anyhow, matach uploaded quite a few books online, just schools don't use
them

Ely
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is there a place to buy electronic versions of textbooks for (israeli)
  school children?
  The schools don't have places for kids to keep their books on premises,
 so
  they have to schlep all their books all day long. They are heavy.  I'd
  rather they carried a small laptop or e-book reader.
  Any ideas?
 

 You are ahead of your time. What grade are the kids in? You should
 know that the books are likely used for more than reading, for
 instance they may have to write in the book.

 You should also know that Education Ministry limits the sacks on one's
 back to 10% of their body weight. If your kid's books and a reasonable
 pack exceed this, complain to the school management. Keep us informed.


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spamcop complain

[Ely Levy]

Hi,
It seems someone sent a spam cop about linux-il because of that
accidental facebook invitation.
Few notes about that:
- If you want to complain about someone make sure you get the address
right, and not complain about the mailing list, if you think that the
mailing list is a spammer you are welcome to unsubscribe.
- If you think a mail which is not appropriate was sent to the list by
a list member, please contact me first, it's much easier to warn the
person and block him if necessary.
- This very much seemed like an honest mistake, no need to get over
excited about every little thing.

Thanks,

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Re: Clalit members: please contact Clalit and demand non_IE support!

[Ely Levy]

Bugging the poor support person is useless,
if anything you should figure out who is responsible for the klalit
computer systems
and talk to him/her. Also since less than 1% of people use linux in
Israel you might try something
a bit more convincing. Such as giving the more popular osx or browsing
from cell phone as examples.
You can also mention the growing popularity of firefox and chrome.

Ely


On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
 List members who belong to Clalit, please contact the company and
 demand that they support non-IE browsers. As it is, we cannot use the
 site in Linux. I need to check my lab results online, and cannot do
 that!

 The phone number is *2700, then 1 for Hebrew and 7 for Clalit Online
 support. Thanks!

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Re: Bank Hapoalim

[Ely Levy]

Look at the email I sent to the person who tried the same with clalit,
I think the same apply to hapoalim
or any other big organization.

Ely

2009/7/8 Dan Bar Dov bar...@gmail.com:
 I just got off the phone, talking with Bank Hapoalim support.

 I got a very clear message - We do not support Linux. We support only
 Windows XP and Vista..

 Just to make sure I asked, so you support Firefox  explorer, but only on
 Microsoft operating systems?
 The answer was a solid yes.

 Is anyone accessing Hapoalim from Linux? When I try, I get logged out due to
 inactivity every 10 seconds.

 Is dictating the vendor of the OS I need to use in order to access internet
 services even legal?

 Dan

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Re: List working ?

[Ely Levy]

Yes,
Please don't send pictures in attachments :-)
These days there are enough sites to put it on,
so it shouldn't really be an issue.

Ely


2009/5/6 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz:
 Aharon Schkolnik wrote:

 On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Oren Held wrote:
  On Tuesday 05 May 2009 22:28:46 Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
   I have sent a message to the list twice today, and as far as I can
   tell it has not gotten through.
  
   Has anyone seen a meassage from me on the list today ?
 
  You can simply check in here:
  http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/pipermail/linux-il/

 Thanks for the tip.

 Nothing I sent earlier is there.


 My message has a jpg attachment. Could the list be filtering messages with
 attachments ?

 What I have is this:

 As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
 following mailing list posting:

 List:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
 From:aschkol...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
 Reason:  Message body is too big: 104211 bytes with a limit of 40 KB



 So, sorry, it will not be approved. Put your JPG somewhere and post a link
 to it.

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Re: Elections and Firefox

[Ely Levy]

Maybe firefox is just confused like the rest of us;)

Ely

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il wrote:
 Hi Gabor,
 It worked fine in
 Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; he; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515
 Firefox/2.0.0.4
 yesterday. Today it is not working.

 More disturbingly, Firefox can't tell me who won, not even the Hebrew
 localized version.

 Regards,

  - yba


 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Gabor Szabo wrote:

 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:29:11 +0200
 From: Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com
 To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
 Subject: Elections and Firefox

 This is supposed to be the page showing the results in Modiin where I
 live:

 I only see the layout but no data when using with Firefox 3.0.6


 http://www.knesset.gov.il/elections18/heb/results/ballot_results.aspx?city=1200

 Gabor
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mailing list downtime

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
Mailing list will be down for a bit, while I move it to mailamn.
(Hopefully it will go smoothly).

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[Linux-il] testing

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Moved to mailman, please report problems :-)

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If you see this email, please email me back:)

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Re: Ubuntu is Dead - Stay Away

[Ely Levy]

No offense, but it seems you just had some bad experience with an op
on a channel.
from that to declaring a distribution as dead there is a long distance.
So someone misquoted you and thought you are sexist, big deal move on.
Not to mention check out how many channels gentoo has (and how
obsessed they are on staying
on topic). or debian or actually most community developed distributions I know.
I think the comment you got for your bug report was true and polite,
bugzilla is not a place
for community issues, there are forums mailing list and so on.


So calm down, take a deep breath, go for a round around the block :)
Then I'm sure you will find the right people to address, complain to
ubuntu ethics
about that person or just forgive and forget there are annoying people
in every community :)

Ely


On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As I wrote on:

 http://community.livejournal.com/shlomif_tech/11379.html

 Ubuntu is dying as most of the bigwigs in its online community are infested
 with ego, ping-pong legitimate complaints to oblivion, and refuse to take
 responsibility for their own problems. The #ubunutu* channels suffer from
 fragmentation, over-specialisation, an obseesion with supposedly staying
 on-topic, and from ops who abuse their power. All of these are very
 unconventional on Freenode where they are hosted.

 This is despite the fact that I heard several horror stories about the fact
 that Ubuntu Hardy keeps hanging, and that it seems to be one of the worst
 Ubuntu versions in recent years.

 If the Ubuntu community is unable to effectively take responsiblity for their
 actions and do a serious soul-searching, then I fear (and hope) that people
 will flee out of Ubuntu like mice out of a sinking ship.

 At a time like this, I'm glad I stayed with Mandriva.

 Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: binary diff

[Ely Levy]

There are a few of them, take a look for example at xdelta and bsdiff

Ely

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 i am looking for something like 'diff' which can compare binary files and
 give a result other then just 'differ' or 'same'
 the same as what diff does for text files.

 i though of using xxd with a regular diff, but that doesn't help, as if
 there is one byte missing, all lines are shifted which means they are
 different textually, when they are not really.



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spam

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
It seems some spammers are faking the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address to send 
spam to the list.
Anyone remembers why is this address subscribed in the first place? is it 
for archiving porpuses?

If so can it be changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or so?

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Re: thread noise

[Ely Levy]

how dramatic

Ely

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Re: linux-il moderation and spam filtering

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On 3/25/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hello all,

last week the spam filters on the list ate two of my messages. They were
large messages and I put a lot of effort into them. In the past few
weeks this has happened a few times. Obviously I have been wasting my
time writing them. Subsequent reporting of a message by an admin did not
make it appear.



Sorry,
I was sick during the weekend. I  approved it now.


The time has come to ask the question whether ilnux-il admins will

consider giving up spam filtering the mailing list. I am subscribed to a
number of mailing lists and none filter or moderate postings without
explicitly saying so and especially without offering recourse. linux-il
is the only one.



The spam fliter were instate at the request of people from the mailing list.
If a discussion on the list will conclude that the spam filter should be
removed I'll remove it.


I consider that subscribed and verified (at least by email

confirmation and captcha) members of a mailing list can be trusted to
not flood the list with spam (which would result in their being banned).
Electronic chaperones are not welcome. Especially chaperones which have
proven that they will cause data loss as they did for me.



Sadly enough it's too easy to fake someone's from header.
A bot doesn't need to subscribe but rather just to harvest one email.
Maybe getting a third moderator will help.

I would like to have a clear answer about why the linux-il list has a

spam filter although it is a closed list as any other, who decided o
install it, and whether removing (not just for me) it is an option that
will be considered. If the answer is no, I may consider unsubscribing.
There is no point in posting to a Russian Roulette list that may delete
those postings I put most effort into (and has done so repeatedly so
far). I can follow the list from an archive without wasting any time
composing messages that will be deleted.



If the problem is only with your email we can just  add a rule to not spam
filter your emails.
Is there anyone else who is encoutering any problems?


I am awaiting response,


thanks,
Peter




Ely

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Re: list police ate my message

[Ely Levy]

Maybe because the spam filter is doing such a good job?;)
But seriously, maybe it's a good idea to remove the spam filter for a while
and see how it affects the list.

Ely

On 3/25/07, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sat, Mar 24, 2007, Dotan Cohen wrote about Re: list police ate my
message:
 Ah, understood. I did know that it is so easy to forge From addresses.
 I just did not think of it.

While it is true that spammers can, and very easily, forge From addresses
and choose one of a legitimate member of the list, I've never actually
seen
this happen in practice, and I've been running mailing lists for almost a
decade. Has anyone seen this happen? (a spammer sending mail to a list,
pretending to come from one of the legitimate subscribers)
If not, then this trick can still work, temporarily, until the spammers
feel
it is worth they while to catch up...

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5767
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Re: message frequency ?

[Ely Levy]

Without any connection to spam filters, this mailing list does have few
rules about what you can send.
For example sending spam messages (and abusive language is I remember
currently) to the list is not allowed.
Also as a community we generally try to be nice to each other and refine
from sending insulting emails,
so removing my admin hat for a second, you won't see me losing any sleep at
night over aggressive emails which fail to reach the list.

Anyhow, decisions over this list are done through discussions not threats.
If enough people agree with you and think we should remove the spam filter
from the list I'll do my best to do it, as I did with any other discussion
we had about list rules/headers or whatever else.

BTW notice that in most countries freedom of speech is limited by various
laws which outlaw the use of abusive language or spam sending on various
places.

Ely

P.S
The more freedom one has, the more responsibility he has to respect the
world around him. That why one of sign for corrupted people is large rule
book.

On 1/30/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Thanks for the archive locations. I will also use gmane for reading this
from now on. And I will not post again until freedom of speech is
guaranteed. This means that there will be bad words added to any message
I post, perhaps as a .sig . If the messages don't make it, you lose.
Each message will be posted only once. There will be no encore. Freedom
of speech is like kashrut. If you force others to respect it then is
worth less than half its real worth. It's your list, I respect your
choice in my own way.

thanks,
Peter


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Re: list message filtering / censorship

[Ely Levy]

The spam filter ate them:)
and actually with pretty high precentage.
spam is becoming a bit overwhelming so please try to use less spammy
langauge:)

Ely

On 1/29/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I have tried to send a message three times to the linux-il list today.
All three messages did not arrive. Some minor explicit language was used
in the messages. I hereby ask whether this list has ANY kind of content
filtering operating, or indulges in ANY kind of content censorship,
automated or manual.

thanks,
Peter

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Re: list message filtering / censorship

[Ely Levy]

well,
we had people registering the list for sending spam,
we also have people who accidently send messages from the wrong address and
have thier message lost in a sea of spam.
Anyhow the fact you haven't known it's there until now, means that it does a
generally good work.

Ely


On 1/29/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On Mon, 29 Jan 2007, E L wrote:

 The spam filter ate them:)
 and actually with pretty high precentage.
 spam is becoming a bit overwhelming so please try to use less spammy
 langauge:)

WHY is there a spam filter on a closed access list ?! There is no such
filter on any other list I'm on. And g*d knows they are big and heavy.

Peter

TAUSEC is back - 3.12.06 (Next Sunday) (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:56:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: TAUSEC is back - 3.12.06 (Next Sunday)

The Security Forum, hosted by the Tel Aviv University, is back for another
year!

3rd of December, 2006. 18:00 (6 P.M.).
Location: Tel Aviv University Lev Auditorium
Map: http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp

Attendance is free.

Schedule:
-
18:00 - DDoS: DNS Amplification Attacks - Gadi Evron
Level: Technical/Medium

DNS, DDoS, botnets, amplified attacks reaching over 10 Gbps. How
is it done, case studies, packet captures and defenses.

Using name server which allow for recursive searches from the
world can be abused to cause an amplification DDoS attack, which
means every packet sent will result in up to 73 packets being
sent to the attacked target, as the source is spoofed.

19:00 - Break

19:20 - Zeroday Emergency Response Team (ZERT) patch for the VML
vulnerability - Gil Dabah
Level: Technical / Very High Level

How the VML vulnerability in Internet Explorer works, the ZERT
patch process and patch for it, and how it was built.

This lecture will cover the vulnerable function itself and why it
is exploitable, causing code execution in Internet
Explorer. Further, the patches ZERT and Microsoft released will be
examined and compared.

Gadi.



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Re: [ATTN] please enlighten me

[Ely Levy]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Michael Vasiliev wrote:

 On Sunday March 26 2006 09:31, Uri Even-Chen wrote:
  Michael Vasiliev wrote:
   Oded, there are some things that I will certainly not tolerate on this
   list and xenophobia is one of them. Consider yourself officially warned.
   In case you decide to continue pursuing that topic, I'll arrange you a
   personal vacation with less reading and writing. Have a nice day.
 
  Have you never heard of freedom of speech?  I don't agree with what he
  said, but he has the right to think and say it!  He didn't curse and
  didn't break any rule, he just said that he thinks the American decision
  makers are stupid.  I think there are some truth in it.  But I wouldn't
  use the word stupid - I would use the words arrogant, selfish etc.

 First of all, I am a subscriber of the list for years, under various
 identities, and I think no one ever claimed that this list is to be a model
 of perfect democracy. I have reasons to believe that its creators never
 intended it to be like that (otherwise, why there is a mod?).

I don't know what the original creator intention was, but I was trying my
best during the years that things will be decided in a democratic way.
True we never had official voting, but usually it was clear which side
most of the people who posted supported. I don't think anyone on the list
think xenaphodia should be allowed, there is just an argument on when it's
bad enough to be thrown off the list, in that case I think respecting the
view of the moderator unless it's something completly out of place is the
correct action.

 Second, it is natural that every list subscriber have the right to say or yell
 whatever he likes AND take full responsibility for his words. I don't think
 that freedom of speech is all about the ability to troll or initiate a smear
 campaign every time you have a bad day.

Maybe we should add don't drink and post to the rule list;)

 Third, I reserve the right to decide on my own what I see fit and what not, in
 absence of the board of moderators. Quite frankly, I don't need to explain my
 actions to anyone and my decisions are final. When each and every one joined,
 he or she agreed on the fact that the list is post-moderated. If any of the
 subscribers feel very uneasy about this fact, they are welcome to raise the
 topic on the public discussion, mail the owner, or, ultimately, un-subscribe
 sigh.

The list should be informative and fun to read. But that changes according
to the people who read the list. I find it that if someone behave in a way
that disturb (whatever that will mean). It's usualy very effective to
email that person off the list and politly ask hir to stop.
If that person feel it wasn't right s/he usually address the list ask for
opinion and in the result becomes yet another unwritten rule.
(Which are much more fun than those boring written ones:)


 Fourth, the topic has been raised in the past and my actions were questioned
 before. For some people, even my occasional interference with the _free_
 discussion is bad enough. I want to make clear that there are no strict
 guidance or censorship on that list, other that the usual screening of
 automatically selected incoming mails to detect spam. No matter how silly I
 think the post is, it is being let through, and only then I decide on it's
 quality. Most curious readers could find exactly how many posts have the
 X-Approved-By: header. These were forwarded to the list manually.

People with power always get questioned:) it comes with the job.
Breaks and balance:)

 Fifth, I understand completely that the spirit of freedom, so abundant in the
 main topic of this list, has to manifest itself somehow in the list rules.
 For this reason, I suggest that the moderator group position(s) should be
 filled by annual election, similarly to moderated Usenet groups.

*Sign*, Do we really need all that?
To be honest I don't think a mailing list should have rules at all.
How about change it to guidelines?
Anyhow how many other people can do as good job as you do?:)
I hardly bother to read the spam that get to the list anymore these days
because everytime you seem to beat me to it:)

 Now, I strongly suggest that all inquiries of that nature should be directed
 to me or Ely via private mail. There is no reason to add to traffic on this
 list with discussions of that nature.


I think that something like elections deserves a public discussion?

Ely
 --
 Sincerely Yours,
 Michael Vasiliev
 Linux-IL moderator

 Program testing can be a very effective way to show the presence of bugs, but
 is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence.
   -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

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Tel Aviv University Security Forum (TAUSEC) - Sunday 26/feb (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

The next Computer Security Technological (non-commercial) forum - TAUSEC
is next Sunday, the 26th of February at Tel Aviv University's Lev
Auditorium.

Lectures

17:45 - Gathering
Drinks and light food will be served, free of charge.

18:00 - Gadi Evron
Blog Spam: the changing face of spam

In this lecture there will be a general discussion of what blog spam,
referrer spam and other web content poisoning spam is. Then we will
cover some examples, show what the bad guys are doing and some
technologies they use to accomplish it, while on the other hand, what
technologies are being used to combat them.

19:10 - Break
Drinks and light food will be served, free of charge.

19:30 - Eran Shir
Leapfrogs and Honeypots: Distributive defense against computer viruses

Although computer viruses cause tremendous economic loss, defense
mechanisms fail to adapt to their rapid evolution.
Previous immunization strategies have been characterized as being static
and centralized, which has made virus containment difficult or even
impossible.
We suggest, instead, to propagate the immunization agent as an epidemic.

The main problem with epidemic vaccine propagation is that it is bound
to lag behind the virus.
We suggest to give the vaccine an advantage over the virus by allowing
it to leapfrog through a separate, overlapping, partially correlated
network.
This enables the anti-virus to contain the epidemic efficiently.
We systemize this concept with a 'honey pots' architecture which
achieves both early virus discovery and rapid immune disseminon.
We present analytic, as well as simulation, results for a set of
realistic topologies that illustrate the effectiveness of this approach.

Attendance is free.

URL: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec/

Gadi.

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TAUSEC returns - next Sunday (22/jan) (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:21:59 +0200
From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: TAUSEC returns - next Sunday (22/jan)

Hi Ely, can you lease send this to linux-il?

-

After our vacation, the security forum (TAUSEC) at the Tel Aviv
University is back - kickin`!

Next Sunday, 22nd of January, 2006, there will be a TAUSEC meeting at
the usual time and location; Lev Auditorium, Tel Aviv University. 18:00
(6PM).

Attendance is free. Hot and cold drinks will be served, free of charge.

Map to Lev Auditorium: http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp
URL for more information: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec

Schedule:
-
17:45Gathering, hot and cold drinks will be served.

18:00Greta Yosh - Testing, Abstraction, Theorem Proving:
 Better Together.

We present a method for static program analysis that leverages tests
and concrete program executions.  State abstractions generalizes the
set of program states obtained from concrete executions.  A theorem
prover is then used for checking that the generalized set of concrete
states covers all potential executions, and satisfies additional safety
properties.

Our method finds the same potential errors as the most-precise abstract
interpreter for a given abstraction, and potentially more efficient.
Additionally, it provides a new way to tune performance by alternating
between concrete execution and theorem proving.

19:00Break, hot and cold drinks will be served.

19:30Izik Kotler - Advanced buffer Overflow methods.

The name of the lecture speaks for itself, PPT is available on our site:
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec/lectures/Advanced_Buffer_Overflow_Methods.ppt
[You know what do do if the URL breaks]

Help spread the word! :)

Thanks - we hope to see you there,

 Gadi.

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Re: [off topic] A new project - automatic translation

[Ely Levy]

 Uri,

 I am not sure that you grasp the enormity of the task at hand. However, I 
 don't
 want to discourage you. Unlike others, I would appreciate a stupid translator
 that replaces a word by a word. It would be wonderful to have a free software
 that is as bad Google or babelfish. I would LOVE to have a free too to make 
 fun
 about. Now we have nothing.

There are few already no?

 So go on and get to work. Note that if I were you, I'd set myself a more
 realistic goals first. In a way, I am you: when we set out to write hspell we
 had dreams of a linguistic future. I hope that the huge list that we 
 collected,
 of almost all modern Hebrew words, will be useful to you.

Even the most huge tasks can be started as small ones.
Wordnet and the free dictionary could be a good start.
(word net is more what he probebly needs).
  I want to have both an algorithm and a database of languages (words,
  phrases etc) that will improve over time.  That is, start with a simple
  algorithm, and feed data into it.  The data will be sources and
  translations in any language.  When there is enough data for a given

 The database you describe here is not dissimilar to WordNet, and I am told 
 that
 few list members are trying to extend the Hebrew WordNet. Maybe you can join
 them.

Yea, join us;) or word together with the Mila team (which I think also try
to get to the same goal).
Btw I was thinking about automaticly translating software with the right
glossary. It seems that is a lot easier task. Especialy with the right po
comments. If anyone wish to join and help;)

Ely

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Common translation guidelines discussion

[Ely Levy]

We started a discussion about common guidelines for translating project to
hebrew.
The purpose is to have more unified and clear hebrew enviorment that is
synced between the various opensource projects.
We invite people to come and join us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or through the forum gateway at linmagazine.co.il

Please don't just reply this message as it's a cross-mailing list one:)

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



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Re: bidi xterm

[Ely Levy]

Well you can ask him:)
he activily maintain xterm and if he find it a good patch he would most
likely add it. But didn't he do that already in uxterm?

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:

 Hi all,

 This issue comes up every now and then. Now is the next such time :-)

 I use and love xterm.

 I want bidi.

 I use for several months mlterm, which is ok. But some of the
 differences annoy me. It might be possible to conf mlterm to behave more
 like my (tuned) behaviour of xterm but I did not try that (yet?).

 There was a patch by Rebert Brady, which I can't find anymore on the web.
 Is it this one?
 http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/softwares/xterm-152-27.diff.gz pointed
 at from
 http://www.debian.or.jp/~kubota/xterm.html ?
 It clearly does not apply cleanly against latest (xterm-204) version, as
 it's 4 years old.

 Well, anyone using this patch? What should be done (if at all) to get it
 integrated into xorg/Dickey's?
 --
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RE: license problem with culmus fonts

[Ely Levy]

I'm not sure it's only PDF,
while in PDF and ps it's easy to see how it's a devertive work
I think html and the like might also be covered.
It would be more of linking like connection.
I looked around but I couldn't find a stright answer

I did find the discussion on /.
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/17/2118203from=rss
which is linking to the dicussion on the mailing list of scribus
a bit info but no real insight:)

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Tzahi Fadida wrote:

 Unless it was not intentional.
 I.e. the creator was not aware of this issue at the time and doesn't
 know about the exemption clause.
 If it was intentional then its deceiving, normaly people do not expect a
 word processor
 to turn their work into a GPLed work only because they created a PDF.

 Regards,
   tzahi.

  -Original Message-
  From: Muli Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:46 PM
  To: Tzahi Fadida
  Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
  Subject: Re: license problem with culmus fonts
 
 
  On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 11:24:13PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
   You are correct.
   I believe there were some attempts to contact the creator.
   Comments anyone?
 
  Just one in general - when a person creates something, it's
  their decision how to license it, if at all. If you don't
  like the license - go create your own.
 
  Cheers,
  Muli
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  http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/
 
 
 



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RE: license problem with culmus fonts

[Ely Levy]

ok I found this
http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis/view?searchterm=font
Which seems to provide more info about it

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Ely Levy wrote:

 I'm not sure it's only PDF,
 while in PDF and ps it's easy to see how it's a devertive work
 I think html and the like might also be covered.
 It would be more of linking like connection.
 I looked around but I couldn't find a stright answer

 I did find the discussion on /.
 http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/17/2118203from=rss
 which is linking to the dicussion on the mailing list of scribus
 a bit info but no real insight:)

 Ely Levy
 System group
 Computer Science
 Hebrew University
 Jerusalem Israel



 On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Tzahi Fadida wrote:

  Unless it was not intentional.
  I.e. the creator was not aware of this issue at the time and doesn't
  know about the exemption clause.
  If it was intentional then its deceiving, normaly people do not expect a
  word processor
  to turn their work into a GPLed work only because they created a PDF.
 
  Regards,
  tzahi.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Muli Ben-Yehuda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:46 PM
   To: Tzahi Fadida
   Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
   Subject: Re: license problem with culmus fonts
  
  
   On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 11:24:13PM +0200, Tzahi Fadida wrote:
You are correct.
I believe there were some attempts to contact the creator.
Comments anyone?
  
   Just one in general - when a person creates something, it's
   their decision how to license it, if at all. If you don't
   like the license - go create your own.
  
   Cheers,
   Muli
   --
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   http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/
  
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: OT: license problem with culmus fonts

[Ely Levy]

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:

 Eli (and others),

Ely

 I think it is slightly inappropriate to speak the way you speak about the
 author of culmus. Maxim Iorsh is not some kind of an absentee who would 
 never
 read this list and cannot be approached.

Why is it his problem?It's the problem of the font users he has the right
to chose whatever license he wants.

 If you have a problem with the license of his fonts, contact him directly and
 request him to add the fonts exception to the GPL. I hope he agrees, since the
 current license might be too restrictive.

I was talking about my problem with the license. And I was trying to clear
how the license affects me and other people using GPL fonts.
It is his right to chose whatever license he findes appropiate.

 Note that even Maxim agrees, it might not be easy at all - the Latin glyphs in
 Culmus are taken from the GPL-licensed URW fonts.

*shrug* again I was talking about the problem I have, I never asked anyone
to change any license, I also noted that others might have a serious
problem which they are not aware of.

 --
 Dan Kenigsberghttp://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~dankenICQ 
 162180901


I'm working in universaty and I used to recommand people who write
articals on linux to use culmus fonts. Which is part of the reason
why I was so shocked to find out that those articals are now GPLed.
The problem is not the license itself but me us not being aware of
what it actualy means to use GPL fonts.

Ely


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OT: license problem with culmus fonts

[Ely Levy]

Hey,

I took a look at the license of culmus fonts and I saw
they are GPL, something felt wrong to me, what does it mean
a font is GPLed?how does that affect things like PDF or ps of the document
which might have the font inside?or latex documents. So I went to check
around and found this:

from the FSF faq:

How does the GPL apply to fonts?
Font licensing is a complex issue which needs serious consideration.
The following license exception is experimental but approved for general
use. We welcome suggestions on this subject -- please write to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

As a special exception, if you create a document which uses this font, and
embed this font or unaltered portions of this font into the document, this
font does not by itself cause the resulting document to be covered by the
GNU General Public License. This exception does not however invalidate any
other reasons why the document might be covered by the GNU General Public
License. If you modify this font, you may extend this exception to your
version of the font, but you are not obligated to do so. If you do not
wish to do so, delete this exception statement from your version.

As culmus doesn't have this exception it seems a serious threat to any
documents I give that uses culmus fonts and that I don't want to be GPLed
It's even more serious threat about the documents I write under GFDL
because those licenses are not compatible.

Even with the exception the experimental part worries me when it's about
documents which I really dont' want someone to be able to claim they are
GPLed later on...

I know there are other fonts which are GPL so what gives?Am I missing
something basic that I should be aware of?

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Re: chumash for lin?

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
I've been trying to do something like that for a while,
I got the tora (without nikug or tehamim) and I saw someone put
in wiki the mishana. There are a lot of other texts like perushim to
the tora malbim gmara and so on, but with qustionable license. (I think
I emailed the list about it a while ago asking). Well since I'm no lawyer
the only option was to ignore existing things online and start from
scatch(unless someone else knows of a better option).
My idea was not to only give a plain text but to also use XML to split it
to chapter/verses and then when in example in the mishna there is a verse
from the tora to change it to a link to the right place.
I advanced a bit about it (was half a way around to writing a script that
does it).

btw take a look at project SWORD

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Daniel wrote:

   I was wondering if any classic Jewish texts, chumash mishnah etc are 
   available for linux.
   I am looking for study material for my daughter who has a test in 
   chumash. Has anyone written an application for torah study on linux?
  I don't know about Hebrew ones.
  There are few English ones - e.g. search freshmeat for bible or
  apt-cache search bible. Some of them might work with Hebrew texts, which
  you can find on the net (e.g. at mechon mamreh). Adapting the texts to
  work with English software might be non-trivial.

 I think that it would be worthwhile to start a working group to produce
 something like this. At the very least one could download all the
 relevant texts, package them and write a few shell scripts to allow
 searching or display of selected parts.

 I invite all who are interested in participating in any way to contact
 me - we can start a project.  Tanach is open source (although not free
 because you are not allowed to make changes) and very suited to the
 spirit of Linux.

 Daniel


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Re: Mailing list managment (was: An amusing story)

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Yep,
The new ecartis version supports those headers.

Our mail system is going through upgrade which in the end
of it the new ecartis version would be installed.

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Ehud Karni wrote:

 On Tue, 31 May 2005 07:06:51 +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
 
  Actually, it's a good improvement suggestion you've got there. Why not
  publish the list's administrative contact somewhere? The obfuscation is
  because, as should be apparent from the content of the message, the
  email address again has a live person reading it.

 It is good practice to use the list-* headers. The linux-il now uses
 only the header X-list: linux-il which is NON standard (start with
 `X-'), it should use the standard List-ID instead. Moreover, I think
 it should use all of the List- headers defined in RFC 4021:
 2.1.31. Header Field: List-Archive
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Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel (thread ending)

[Ely Levy]

This thread is full of  personal insults is completly off
topic for this list to this list as far as I can see.
Can you guys please keep it on hamakor discussion list?
there is no reason to cross email it.

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Fri, 27 May 2005, Uri Bruck wrote:

 Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
  UB There are a lot of people who believe, as I do, that disrespecting IP 
  is
  UB immoral. So your presentation of it is misleading, and your question is
  UB better unasked.
 
  OK, they do believe so, so what?
 Your own argument was based on may more people see nothing wrong with
 it - so many people are only relevant when they appear to support
 your view?

 --
 Thanks,
 Uri
 http://translation.israel.net

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Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

[Ely Levy]

On Tue, 24 May 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 Check:

 http://www.advogato.org/article/841.html

 Is it part of Hamakor's agenda to protect the people's right to share media
 files? If not, whom should I contact about further action? The Israeli
 Society for Human and Civil rights?

Which right would that be?
the right to break the law?
no one did to make sharing music or movies legal by trying to talk with
the israeli copyright holder and getting to some agreement (like done in
canada).
But now people get scared all the sudden and want something done?
I don't think anyone who break the law like that should be help, if
anything there should be an efford to make it legal not to protect the
people who did it when it wasn't.

Anyhow didn't someone say something about fsf in israel?:)


Ely
 Regards,

   Shlomi Fish

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 Tcl is LISP on drugs. Using strings instead of S-expressions for closures
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Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel

[Ely Levy]

got a bit carried away I forgot to say I have no idea if hamakor deals
with it or not:)

Ely Levy
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Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Tue, 24 May 2005, Ely Levy wrote:

 On Tue, 24 May 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote:

  Check:
 
  http://www.advogato.org/article/841.html
 
  Is it part of Hamakor's agenda to protect the people's right to share media
  files? If not, whom should I contact about further action? The Israeli
  Society for Human and Civil rights?

 Which right would that be?
 the right to break the law?
 no one did to make sharing music or movies legal by trying to talk with
 the israeli copyright holder and getting to some agreement (like done in
 canada).
 But now people get scared all the sudden and want something done?
 I don't think anyone who break the law like that should be help, if
 anything there should be an efford to make it legal not to protect the
 people who did it when it wasn't.

 Anyhow didn't someone say something about fsf in israel?:)


 Ely
  Regards,
 
  Shlomi Fish
 
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  Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/
 
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openoffice 2

[Ely Levy]

Did anyone use openoffice 2 and know if it's going to be good
enough word replacement for doing matzagot in hebrew?

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Re: Nautilus on Debian Sarge?

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
We found the bug in the end.
It was in the fstab, there were a line there that nautilus didn't like.
I forgot which line it was though..

Anyhow I found it in googling debian mailing list
so you can see which exact line it is there or just
try removing them one by one:)

Ely Levy
System group
Computer Science
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Amos Shapira wrote:

 Hello,

 I use Debian Sarge (testing) both at work and at home.
 I use Gnome (debian package gnome, version 64, gnome 2.8.3)
 at work and it works beautifully.

 At home, however, Nautilus keeps crashing.

 I see at
 http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/12-2004/13268.html
 that Ely LEvy has already asked about a similar crash but without
 any useful response. I also dug the debian archives (bugs, mailing
 lists, forums, google) and apparently this bug is somehow ignored
 even though a which looks similar is reported.

 My question:

 1. Is anyone aware of a solution to this particular crash?
 2. Is anyone aware of a good place for Sarge-Gnome-Users
 to hang about with questions about this?

 I'd be tempted to upgrade to Ubuntu just to be able to enjoy
 Gnome at last but from what I hear it's not a practical solution
 (short of re-installation, which is pretty much out of the
 question in my situation).

 Thanks,

 --Amos


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Re: MOSIX vs OpenMOSIX [2nd attempt]

[Ely Levy]

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

 Quoting David D [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  [this is my second attempt. The first one didn't make
  it to the list]
  OK, I know how to google, and I have read several
  documents, but almost all of them talk about
  ideological (license) differences of the two systems.
  What I am interested in is the differences in
  performance, ease of use and administer.
  Unfortunately, I haven't seen any comperative
  benchmark except for this one:
  http://pubs.cs.uct.ac.za/archive/0193/01/SCAW.ppt
  (html version http://tinyurl.com/9cqe3)
  Can anyone on this list share his/her own experience
  and/or recommend on one either MOSIX or OpenMosix
  (religion and idiology aside)
  Thank you

 Q: If you had to choose for a production system between a project
 written and maintained by  CS students as a thesis research problem
 and a fork of said project maintained by a Byte column writer at his
 spare time which would you choose?

Mosix is not maintained by cs users and a lot of companies/goverment
places use it in production level.
Open Mosix is being paid by some company (forgot the name has something
with cluster).

 I don't knwo what the answer is, but sometime asking the right questions is 
 the
 right thing to do.
 Gilad



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*nix sysadmins for tehila (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:07:00 +0300
From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: *nix sysadmins for tehila

Hi Ely. Can you please send an email to linux-il saying that Tehila is
looking for *nix sysadmins?

Resumes can be sent to me.

Gadi.

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The Security Forum - meeting #9 -13/3/05 (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:36:25 +0200
From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Security Forum - meeting #9 -13/3/05

Hello!

The next, non-commercial, technological Security Forum will take place
on Sunday, the 13th of March, 2005, at Tel Aviv University's Lev
Auditorium.

Schedule

17:45 - Gathering - hot and cold drinks will be served.

18:00 - Elad Barkan, Ph.D. Student, Technion.
   Lecture: Security Weaknesses in the GSM Cellular System
   Level: High.

   GSM is the most widely used cellular technology. Currently, there are
   over a billion GSM customers in over 200 countries and regions
   around the world forming more than 73% of the total digital
   wireless market.

   In this talk we will overview the main attacks against GSM, including
   our new attacks.

   This is joint work with Eli Biham and Nathan Keller.

19:00 - We will break for a short recess, as well as for
   refreshments and networking between members - hot and cold
   drinks will be served.

19:20 - Zion Zatlavi, Comsec.
   Lecture: Smartcards and PKI.
   Level: Suitable to all levels.

   This lecture will begin with an introduction to the subject of
   smartcards. From types, performance and functionality through examples
   of implementation in Israel and globally, all the way to implications
   the technology has on the corporate environment.

   The lecture will proceed to discuss weaknesses and possible points of
   failure, etc. As well as how Cellcom handled implementing such an
   infrastructure.

Hot and cold drinks will be freely available.

Attendance is free.

For a map of the university please visit:
http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp

For future and past lectures, presentations and general information:
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec

You can also visit our Orkut community (Tausec):
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=422590

Thank you all, and please pass this information to others.

Have a good week,

-- 
Gadi Evron,
Information Security Manager, Project Tehila -
Israeli Government Internet Security.
Ministry of Finance, Israel.

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Call free bios

[Ely Levy]

http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html

I wonder if it has any chance, after all they could never get ati
and nvidia to give specs..

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[Fwd: The Security Forum - meeting #8 -20/2/05] (fwd)

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Hello!

The next, non-commercial, technological Security Forum will take place
on Sunday, the 20th of February, 2005, at Tel Aviv University's Lev
Auditorium.

Between DNSSEC and breaking pseudo-random algorithms to hijack HTTP
sessions, last month was cool, no?

A bit over 160 people showed up.

Schedule

17:45 - Gathering - hot and cold drinks will be served.

18:00 - Yoni Appel, CheckPoint.
   Lecture: IPv6 Security.
   Level: Medium.

   During the last 18 months we have witnessed IPv6 transitioning from a
   future technology to a reality.

   We will analyze the security implications of using IPv6 in the context
   of network and application security, considering the usage of IPv6
   today, and foreseeable future trends.

19:00 - We will break for a short recess, as well as for
   refreshments and networking between members - hot and cold
   drinks will be served.

19:20 - Mati Ram, CEO - Dynasec.
   Lecture: Information security compliance and risk management.
   Level: Suitable to all levels.

   During the lecture, we will present methodologies for information
   security risk management (qualitative and quantitative).

   Additionally we will discuss the connection between information
   security and operational risk management.

Hot and cold drinks will be freely available.

Attendance is free.

For a map of the university please visit:
http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp

For future and past lectures, presentations and general information:
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[Ely Levy]

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Hebrew Langauge pack in ubuntu

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
Ubuntu started making an hebrew language pack,
it already has things like openoffice-he and would mozilla-bidi-ui colmus
and hspell.

My question is are there other programs people would like to see there?
Which are il or he specific, they can also be things which are not yet
packaged. (ie: israeli radio play list which someone made?).


Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
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Hebuntu and rosetta (respond to the artical on whatsup).

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
I saw the artical on whatsup about the rosetta projects and the comments
of people about it.
I just wanted to clear up few points.

rosetta is in a testing stage, many of the features people noticed are
missing would be adding in the next 2-3 weeks, things as updating the
project list to include all packages in ubuntu and adding all the already
existing po file from them. Moderation options are going to be added as
well to keep high quality/standarized translations.

We are going to use rosetta to make an hebrew localized version of
ubuntu. We are now testing it to see how well it works with hebrew
(we reported some bidi bugs) and on the writing on howto use rosetta
which would be on hebuntu's wiki.

We didn't decide yet on the guidelines for translation, but it would use
free-hebrew, it's already coordinated with the dolfin (the guy who
translate gnome to hebrew) and would be translated hopefully with the kde
team as well. If they would like to even have one of them moderate the kde
package translation when moderation option would be up.
didn't get to e-mail them but if one of them reading this
now please e-mail me.

Another point people talked about was how translation is going to get back
to the original project, the answer is simple we are taking care of it,
if someone wishes to be responsible for a specific package please email us
on [EMAIL PROTECTED] we already got gnome covered.

rosetta would also have the option that people working on the ubuntu's
development could update their translations almost on the fly from what is
on rosetta and therefore things would be easily tested.

If you are seeing options which are missing in rosetta you are more than
welcome to submit a bug report out of experience they do care and listen
to the community.

Everyone are ofcourse welcome to start working in rosetta now, but I think
that it would be much more productive in 2-3 weeks. People who wish the
participate and influance the hebuntu project are welcome to join our
mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] but be warned we are still preety much
starting:-)

P.S
If someone can add it as a respond to the whatsup artical I would be
gratfull.:-)

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



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Re: Hebuntu and rosetta (respond to the artical on whatsup).

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
It's not that simple about debian not using rosetta,
Most ubuntu's developers are debian people, that was just the opinion
of the people on that specific thread. Anyhow if you read the end of the
thread you would see it's only a matter of time before rosetta becomes
opensource, the people developing rosetta and ubuntu people in general
are people who are in the debian/fs community for years, if they say that
rosetta would be released as fs when they are ready I believe them.

If you don't want to use rosetta till then it's your right.

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Lior Kaplan wrote:

 since the system is non-free at this point, the debian project decided not
 to use it for it's massive i18n efforts.

 http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2005/01/msg00115.html

 I think it a decision other should make too.

  Hi Eli,
 
  I was talking to Shlomif, and we were thinking of installing that system
  in
  iglu. However... since it's not available, the source code is not
  downloadable, we could not install it.
 
  I sure would like to use it for KDE translation, as long as there is one
  man
  who coordinates the synchronization between the version on Rosetta and the
  KDE CVS, since I am not sure about the quality of the translators, I
  simply
  do not feel satisfied with that solution. If anyone can get an account and
  change translations, he can mess the translations.
 
  We at KDE-il have a tradition in which we coach new translators, and we
  validate their work before they get a CVS account. This is done to learn
  the
  level of that translator, and to teach him about our standards. We also
  have
  a set of translation guidelines, which must be checked before we commit
  files
  (we even follow them sometimes! lol...):
  http://kde.org/il/hebrew/guidelines/
 
  Helping is a good idea, but you must be assured that the translations are
  good enough (TM) for our team. Different teams have different
  translations.
 
  For example, the sentence:
 
  you must save the document before closing the application
 
  Should be translated in Mandrake as:
  éù ìùîåø àú äîñîê ìôðé ñâéøú äééùåí
  (yesh lishmor et hamismah lifnei sgirat haisum)
 
  While in KDE we would translate as
  òìéê ìùîåø àú äîñîê ìôðé ñâéøú äééùåí
  (aliha lishmor et hamismah lifnei sgirat haisum)
 
  The reason for that translation in Mandrake is that in from of the
  computer is
  not always male, and even tough the academia does specify that the male
  form
  in Hebrew is also a neutral one, it just does not sound good.
 
  2 questions from me to you, if you don't mind:
 
  1) what standards, or guidelines, will you have for Hebuntu tools (or
  Debian
  tools)
 
  2) as you realize, you are trying to manage translations of different
  teams,
  with different guidelines, and many times those guidelines will not be
  equal.
  How will you enforce the guidelines of those projects in your system?
 
  Feel free to respond me offlist if you think this is too OT for linux-il.
 
 
  áSaturday 22 January 2005 22:48, ðëúá òì éãé Ely Levy:
  Hey,
  I saw the artical on whatsup about the rosetta projects and the comments
  of people about it.
  I just wanted to clear up few points.
 
  rosetta is in a testing stage, many of the features people noticed are
  missing would be adding in the next 2-3 weeks, things as updating the
  project list to include all packages in ubuntu and adding all the
  already
  existing po file from them. Moderation options are going to be added as
  well to keep high quality/standarized translations.
 
  We are going to use rosetta to make an hebrew localized version of
  ubuntu. We are now testing it to see how well it works with hebrew
  (we reported some bidi bugs) and on the writing on howto use rosetta
  which would be on hebuntu's wiki.
 
  We didn't decide yet on the guidelines for translation, but it would use
  free-hebrew, it's already coordinated with the dolfin (the guy who
  translate gnome to hebrew) and would be translated hopefully with the
  kde
  team as well. If they would like to even have one of them moderate the
  kde
  package translation when moderation option would be up.
  didn't get to e-mail them but if one of them reading this
  now please e-mail me.
 
  Another point people talked about was how translation is going to get
  back
  to the original project, the answer is simple we are taking care of it,
  if someone wishes to be responsible for a specific package please email
  us
  on [EMAIL PROTECTED] we already got gnome covered.
 
  rosetta would also have the option that people working on the ubuntu's
  development could update their translations almost on the fly from what
  is
  on rosetta and therefore things would be easily tested.
 
  If you are seeing options which are missing in rosetta you are more than
  welcome to submit a bug report out of experience they do care and listen
  to the community.
 
  Everyone are ofcourse

Re: Hebuntu and rosetta (respond to the artical on whatsup).

[Ely Levy]

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Diego Iastrubni wrote:

 Hi Eli,

Ely;)

 I was talking to Shlomif, and we were thinking of installing that system in
 iglu. However... since it's not available, the source code is not
 downloadable, we could not install it.

Sources are not yet released.

 I sure would like to use it for KDE translation, as long as there is one man
 who coordinates the synchronization between the version on Rosetta and the
 KDE CVS, since I am not sure about the quality of the translators, I simply
 do not feel satisfied with that solution. If anyone can get an account and
 change translations, he can mess the translations.

There are working on various ways to prevent that from happening,
In the end the whole system would be moderated and then we can make a
person responsible for kde moderation.

 We at KDE-il have a tradition in which we coach new translators, and we
 validate their work before they get a CVS account. This is done to learn the
 level of that translator, and to teach him about our standards. We also have
 a set of translation guidelines, which must be checked before we commit files
 (we even follow them sometimes! lol...):
 http://kde.org/il/hebrew/guidelines/

Yea I read it, didn' understand what you guys has against !;)

 Helping is a good idea, but you must be assured that the translations are
 good enough (TM) for our team. Different teams have different translations.

 For example, the sentence:

 you must save the document before closing the application

 Should be translated in Mandrake as:
   
 (yesh lishmor et hamismah lifnei sgirat haisum)

 While in KDE we would translate as
   
 (aliha lishmor et hamismah lifnei sgirat haisum)

 The reason for that translation in Mandrake is that in from of the computer is
 not always male, and even tough the academia does specify that the male form
 in Hebrew is also a neutral one, it just does not sound good.

errrmm..

 2 questions from me to you, if you don't mind:

 1) what standards, or guidelines, will you have for Hebuntu tools (or Debian
 tools)

We are going to use free-hebrew.org and hod-hami/morfix for chosing words
I read your standard in kde.org/il it seems ok but I need to get the
agreement of gnome hebrew team first.
Anyhow if we somehow can't agree on a standard moderation for specific
project can be done only by specific people which would solve the
problem.

 2) as you realize, you are trying to manage translations of different teams,
 with different guidelines, and many times those guidelines will not be equal.
 How will you enforce the guidelines of those projects in your system?

That's where I don't agree, I think we should work out a standard
that all the translation in the system would go by, not only same wording
but same style as well, that's the only way to deliver high quality system
to hebrew speaking crowed.
I strongly believe that we can get to agreement that would make everyone
happy and go by it, I saw [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bit slow and that
free-hebrew.org is missing more than a few important words I hope that if
kde/gnome hebrew teams would both use rosetta it would also provide a
place to easily compare translations and talk about style and wording.
and hopefully avoid needing to have different moderation/different
training for different projects.

maybe we should start a thread on it on some mailing list or another?

Ely


 Feel free to respond me offlist if you think this is too OT for linux-il.


 Saturday 22 January 2005 22:48,Ely Levy:
  Hey,
  I saw the artical on whatsup about the rosetta projects and the comments
  of people about it.
  I just wanted to clear up few points.
 
  rosetta is in a testing stage, many of the features people noticed are
  missing would be adding in the next 2-3 weeks, things as updating the
  project list to include all packages in ubuntu and adding all the already
  existing po file from them. Moderation options are going to be added as
  well to keep high quality/standarized translations.
 
  We are going to use rosetta to make an hebrew localized version of
  ubuntu. We are now testing it to see how well it works with hebrew
  (we reported some bidi bugs) and on the writing on howto use rosetta
  which would be on hebuntu's wiki.
 
  We didn't decide yet on the guidelines for translation, but it would use
  free-hebrew, it's already coordinated with the dolfin (the guy who
  translate gnome to hebrew) and would be translated hopefully with the kde
  team as well. If they would like to even have one of them moderate the kde
  package translation when moderation option would be up.
  didn't get to e-mail them but if one of them reading this
  now please e-mail me.
 
  Another point people talked about was how translation is going to get back
  to the original project, the answer is simple we are taking care of it,
  if someone wishes to be responsible for a specific package please email us
  on [EMAIL PROTECTED] we already got gnome covered

Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users

[Ely Levy]

Like any other word in hebrew you send it to the academy or to the special
commity for computer terms.
I suggest long ago to try to orginize a dictionary that the open source
would work together with the academy to do open dictionary, I did get
someone from the acedemy intrested but no one seemed to have the time to
help out from the community. Instead they offered me the carmel project
at www.free-hebrew.org a nice lesson how to make your own language and
make sure no one would understand opensource terms

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Arnon Klein wrote:

 How does one go about putting new entries into that?

 Arnon

 Ely Levy wrote:

 The Hod Ami dictionary is based on the cooperation between Machon hatkanim
 and the academy, I think there is also a version on line in the academy
 site but I couldn't find it.
 
 Ely Levy
 System group
 Hebrew University
 Jerusalem Israel
 
 
 
 On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Nadav Har'El wrote:
 
 
 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2005, Ely Levy wrote about Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 
 better for Hebrew users:
 
 
 Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated?
 Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew?
 
 
 Ely, what is Machon Hatkanim Hebrew? Since when is Machon Hatkanim an
 authority on the Hebrew language? Can you point us to a site or something
 about this standard?
 Or do you perhaps refer to the Academy of the Hebrew Language?
 
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Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users

[Ely Levy]

They seem to use more than just the hod ami dictionary,
it's a huge blend of things, which I wouldn't mind if they put lable what
was taken from where.
for example write directory in the search.
(Yea my favorite test word;)

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Uri Bruck wrote:



 The Hod Ami dictionary is online at the John Bryce site:
 http://www.johnbryce.co.il/milon/index.asp
 Ely Levy wrote:
  The Hod Ami dictionary is based on the cooperation between Machon hatkanim
  and the academy, I think there is also a version on line in the academy
  site but I couldn't find it.
 
  Ely Levy
  System group
  Hebrew University
  Jerusalem Israel
 
 
 
  On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Nadav Har'El wrote:
 
 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2005, Ely Levy wrote about Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 
 better for Hebrew users:
 
 Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated?
 Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew?
 
 Ely, what is Machon Hatkanim Hebrew? Since when is Machon Hatkanim an
 authority on the Hebrew language? Can you point us to a site or something
 about this standard?
 Or do you perhaps refer to the Academy of the Hebrew Language?
 
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mailing list for the hebuntu project.

[Ely Levy]

Hey,

As we slowly advance to the official annoncment,
I would like to invite people to participate in the discussion about
what we would want from a distribution which suppose to be fully
hebrew localised and aiming for the schools/universaties/goverment.

We already know openoffice is important,
And since ubuntu is gnome oriented (it does have kde but its gnome is
better supported/developed), the first task would be to translate gnome to
hebrew.

We invite people to join in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and help us
create high quality hebrew distribution.

Ely Levy
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Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



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Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users

[Ely Levy]

Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated?
Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew?


Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:

   On 09/01/2005, at 17:33, Omer Zak wrote:

  One bug, which I didn't see in Shoshannah's list is that when exporting
  an Impress presentation in Hebrew to PDF file, the parentheses come out
  reversed.

 That bug is being worked on, and should be fixed by 2.0
 ---
 Shoshannah Forbes
 http://www.xslf.com


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Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users

[Ely Levy]

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Uri Bruck wrote:

 Nadav Har'El wrote:
  On Mon, Jan 10, 2005, Ely Levy wrote about Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 
  better for Hebrew users:
 
 Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated?
 Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew?
 
 
  Ely, what is Machon Hatkanim Hebrew? Since when is Machon Hatkanim an
  authority on the Hebrew language? Can you point us to a site or something
  about this standard?
  Or do you perhaps refer to the Academy of the Hebrew Language?

 The Hod Ami computer terminology dictionary was published in cooperation
 with
 Machon Hatkanim - perhaps that is what Ely is refering to.


Yea, that's exactly what he ment:)

Ely

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Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users

[Ely Levy]

The Hod Ami dictionary is based on the cooperation between Machon hatkanim
and the academy, I think there is also a version on line in the academy
site but I couldn't find it.

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Nadav Har'El wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 10, 2005, Ely Levy wrote about Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 
 better for Hebrew users:
  Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated?
  Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew?

 Ely, what is Machon Hatkanim Hebrew? Since when is Machon Hatkanim an
 authority on the Hebrew language? Can you point us to a site or something
 about this standard?
 Or do you perhaps refer to the Academy of the Hebrew Language?

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Dictionary

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
I wanted to get suggestions about how the wiki dictionary
would be originized and what it purpose would be here are few ideas I had
not in any preticular order:

1)Exported to babylon like format
2)Ability to create specific topic dictionaries (like science sport and
so)
3)be able to create from root works in english or hebrew the rest of the
ataiut (like sit sits yashav yashavti neshev).
4)The ability to vote for translations (which is the best translation
for a word under specific topic), that ofcourse ment to help to find
good translations for howtos and programs, maybe it should be only
specific for computers subjects then...
5)Nikud?


anymore suggestions?or on how to originize it in wiki in an elegant
way?


Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel

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The Security Forum - meeting #7 -16/1/05 (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

Hello!

The next, non-commercial, technological Security Forum will take place
on Sunday, the 16th of January, 2005, at Tel Aviv University's Lev
Auditorium.

We apologize for the cancellation of last month's first lecture on
wireless hacking. The Rogla, however, came with extra chocolate.

Schedule

17:45 - Gathering - hot and cold drinks will be served.

18:00 - Doron Shikmoni, ISOC-IL, CEO - ForeScout Technologies, Israel.
   Lecture: Security of DNS and DNS-SECurity.
   Level: High.

   The Domain Name System is an important and critical part
   of the Internet infrastructure. Consequently, it is also
   one of the most attacked pieces of that infrastructure.

   This talk will describe the main vulnerabilities of the
   DNS and attack vectors against it. It will then go into
   DNS Security (DNSSEC), an emerging protocol that is aimed
   at enhancing the DNS with a set of security features.
   We will look at DNSSEC features, see which of the problems
   it solves, and try to assess its strengths and weaknesses.

19:30 - We will break for a short recess, as well as for
   refreshments and networking between members - hot and cold
   drinks will be served.

19:50 - Zvika Gutterman, CTO - Safend.
   Lecture: Hold Your Sessions: An Attack on Java Session-id Generation.
   Level: High.

   HTTP session-id's take an important role in almost any web site
   today. This paper presents a cryptanalysis of Java Servlet
   $128$-bit session-id's and an efficient practical prediction
   algorithm. Using this attack an adversary may impersonate a
   legitimate client.
   Through the analysis we also present a novel, general space-time
   tradeoff for secure pseudo random number generator attacks.

   This is a joint work with Dahlia Malkhi.

Hot and cold drinks will be freely available.

Attendance is free.

For a map of the university please visit:
http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp

For future and past lectures, presentations and general information:
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec

You can also visit our Orkut community (Tausec):
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=422590

Thank you all, and please pass this information to others.

Who we are
--
The Security Forum, hosted by the Tel Aviv University, started when a
few of us talked about there being an (almost) complete lack of
professional and social events on security in Israel which are not
completely commercial and about sticking products down out throats.

We decided to do instead of complain, and here we are.

In previous meetings we had over a hundred arrivals, varying from
soldiers and students, through programmers and government CSO's, all the
way to CEO's and CTO's of different companies, banks and other
institutions. Some have been part of our community since the 70's and
some are just people who are interested in the subject.

Have a good week,

Gadi Evron.


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Re: New project (hebrew in nix distributions)

[Ely Levy]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Uri Sharf wrote:

 Think you have a good point with support contracts for Ubuntu,  this
 is exactly the idea behind it AFAIK.

Yea, keeping support inside Israel while still getting international
level help. I really liked that idea.

 Plz see more info regarding Ubuntu's (palnned) KDE supprot, though it
 want be part of an official Install CD, or so it seems so far.

kubuntu is just starting, and it's not clear yet if it would be its own
distribution or part of ubuntu, since kubuntu is a community project
I don't think they would offer support even when they would have something
ready to release.
I would be very happy if they would though:)

 Kubuntu, http://linmagazine.co.il/node/view/5862

Yep, that where I first read about it;)

 And also, Rosetta - their new localziation effort which might be what
 you are looking for:
 http://linmagazine.co.il/node/view/5848

Yea, I know, Even if we do chose to use their tools (didnt' get to try
them yet), I think we would be better off putting it on our own site.
Btw this site also show the advantage of ubuntu who are actually making
real efford to get to every langauge around the world.


 --
 Regards,
 Uri Sharf
 
 Ed., Linmagazine
 http://linmagazine.co.il
 News, Support and Guides on Linux and Open source in Hebrew

Thanks,
As always you site provided great source for information:)

Ely

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Re: New project (hebrew in nix distributions)

[Ely Levy]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 On Friday 24 December 2004 15:30, Ely Levy wrote:
  Hey,
  We are trying to start a project for hebrew in nix,
  (most programs are shared between diffrent nixes so it's no fair
  saying it a linux project).

 Why do you call Unix nix and not Unix or UNIX?

No, I call nix the mixture of diffrent platfroms like unix/linux/macOSX
and so on.

  Our first goal would be making linux distribtion for the use
  of schools/university/students.

 OK.

 
  I'm setting now a wiki and a webpage,
  the wiki would be for documents and hebrew-english dictionary.
  Cvs and the like would follow after.
 
  before the official annoncment I'm trying to do few stuff:
 
  1)find a good name for the project
 

 I'll let you know if I think of one.

  2)decide between ubuntu (which has developers which would be happy
  to help us out) and gentoo which is real easy to develop cause you don't
  need to mess with packages, and you don't need to repackage if you just
  add a compiler flag. Ubuntu also has the advantage of having support
  contracts around the world but the disadvantage of not covering kde.
 

 Well, Ubuntu does has KDE packages, it's just that they need to be explictly
 installed and that its default desktop is GNOME. So it's not an issue in this
 regard.

I was talking more about the support side, kde is there but it's not
officialy supported.

 As for Gentoo, I'd recommend against it. First of all the compiler flag thing
 does not hold, because you still need to compile the package to test it.
 Secondly, in Gentoo a package upgrade means a re-compilation, which is time
 consuming and annoying.

Yea, I guess you are right, after reading few of the comments I'm more and
more conviced that that ubuntu fits much better.

  3)Help in designing the site it would be based on moinmoin wiki
  and be online soon enough.
 

 Sorry, I have other things to do, and am not particularly interested in this
 project.

Yet;)

  4)We are trying hard to find a yoetz leshuni both for the dictionary
  and for reviewing translations.
 

 Try asking on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Uri Bruck or someone.

Yea, I forgot to add them to the cc:)
 Regards,

   Shlomi Fish

Ely

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New project (hebrew in nix distributions)

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
We are trying to start a project for hebrew in nix,
(most programs are shared between diffrent nixes so it's no fair
saying it a linux project).
Our first goal would be making linux distribtion for the use
of schools/university/students.

I'm setting now a wiki and a webpage,
the wiki would be for documents and hebrew-english dictionary.
Cvs and the like would follow after.

before the official annoncment I'm trying to do few stuff:

1)find a good name for the project

2)decide between ubuntu (which has developers which would be happy
to help us out) and gentoo which is real easy to develop cause you don't
need to mess with packages, and you don't need to repackage if you just
add a compiler flag. Ubuntu also has the advantage of having support
contracts around the world but the disadvantage of not covering kde.

3)Help in designing the site it would be based on moinmoin wiki
and be online soon enough.

4)We are trying hard to find a yoetz leshuni both for the dictionary
and for reviewing translations.

5)Any other help one can think of.

I hope the use of wiki would make the dictionary open to everyone in a way
that we would be able to vote on the best translation for a certain word
and keep thing unified.

Comments would be appriciated.

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel

p.s
I'm aware of kinneret but we decided on making the new project anyhow.

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nautilus crashing on debian sarge

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
I have gnome 2.8 on debian sarge, and nautilus keep crashing on startup.
I get the following error message:

** ERROR **: file nautilus-directory.c: line 553 (add_to_hash_table):
assertion failed: (g_hash_table_lookup (directory-details-file_hash,
file-details-relative_uri) == NULL)

I read few bug reports about similar error but they were talking about
duplicated systems in /etc/fstab so I removed everything from there
and still the same.

Anyone got any ideas?


Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



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Re: Writing a mathematical book with OpenSource

[Ely Levy]

In huji's math department a lot of ppl use latex for write math in hebrew
and it seems to work fine for them.
I know for example that Prof. Azriel Levi which has his logic book
published ( can be found on his web page) and he wrote it using lyx.
Don't forget that with latex(lyx) you can easily export it into mathML.
Ms word also has problem with fonts whatever you see on one computer
is not what you see on the other ( I had those problem with ppt for a
seminariun I was doing when I used the equation editor)
You should also check using mathmatica as equation editor on linux
though I'm not sure how well copy paste from it works.

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Sat, 20 Nov 2004, Yosef Leibovich wrote:

 Hi,
 I wish to write a mathematical book to be published (think Academon
 publication for instance, real book should be produced) (sollutions for
 questions in Misler's excellent book for Infinistimal Calculus BTW). I
 want to use open-source sollution however I think I might have no such
 oprions. I thought of the following options:
 1) OpenOffice,
 pros: WYSIWYG, easy text styling (one can define h1/2/3 and normal text)
 good equation insertion.
 cons: Horrible hebrew+english handling (fixing up a f(x) is no
 picnic...), no one uses it, so I except no support from publicator
 2) Latex,
 pros: very easy styling and macroing (I can define answers and question,
 and decide later where to place them with a simple script), nice hebrew
 support.
 cons: aplying new fonts should be problematic. Many hebrew related bugs
 (cutting equations wrongfully) I assume there will be some support for
 it but I'm not sure how much.
 3) MS-Word,
 pros: Very convinient method for embedding hebrew with English,
 extremely excellent support in all aspects (embedding different equation
 handler), new versions also do styles very nicely
 cons: Equation writing is obnoxious (click on the sign you desire),
 non-opensource.
 My questions are:
 Will anything-other-than MS-Word will be accepted by publications (I've
 never written a mathematical book so I've no idea what are they using
 (heard of Quark but not sure what it is)
 Is there any other method I missed for editing Hebrew mathematical
 texts, opensource or not.
 What do you think is the best options for me, it seems that, sadly,
 MS-Word beats all other participants with one hand tied,
 Thanks
 Elazar Leibovich



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OT: Israeli FBSD mirror

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
Does someone know of an updated israeli FBSD mirror which support rsync?
Or if not does someone know of a not israeli FBSD mirror which supports
rsync?(ftp7,ftp13 == evil)

Ely Levy
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The Security Forum - meeting #5 -14/11/04 (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:57:44 +0200
From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Security Forum - meeting #5 -14/11/04

Hello!

The next, non-commercial, technological Security Forum will take place
on Sunday, the 14th of November, 2004, at Tel Aviv University's Lev
Auditorium.

108 people came to our last meeting on the 17th of October. The air
conditioner worked too well (some people complained it was cold).

Schedule

17:45 - Gathering - hot and cold drinks (+gviniyot) will be served.

18:00 - Aviram  Jenik, CEO - Beyond Security.
   Lecture: Open source in Commercial products.
   Level: This lecture is suited for all levels, although it will be
  technological.

   Aviram will discuss open source security products and their impact on
   the industry.
   How some security products became the blueprint for commercial
   products and how one can integrate both into one environment.

   Also, there will be a _technological_ discussion of open source
   software technologies that don't exist in commercial products and the
   opposite - what works where, or didn't work - and why?

   Why would some prefer commercial software and others open source,
   especially when it comes to security?
   Pros and cons.

19:20 - We will break for a short recess, as well as for
   refreshments and networking between members - hot and cold
   drinks (+gviniyot) will be served.

19:40 - Evgeny Pinchuk, SOC team - Radware.
   Lecture: Covert Channels in Networking.
   Level: This lecture will be highly technological, and low-level.

   Due to popular demand, Evgeny will lecture again.

   His lecture will be about Covert Channels in Networking.
   IP, TCP, ICMP, ..., any other protocol - how people might send a
   covert message using these protocols without being noticed?

Hot and cold drinks (+gviniyot) will be freely available.

Attendance is free.

For a map of the university please visit:
http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp

For future and past lectures, presentations and general information:
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec

You can also visit our Orkut community (Tausec):
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=422590

Thank you all, and please pass this information to others.

Who we are
--
The Security Forum, hosted by the Tel Aviv University, started when a
few of us talked about there being an (almost) complete lack of
professional and social events on security in Israel which are not
completely commercial and about sticking products down out throats.

We decided to do instead of complain, and here we are.

In previous meetings we had over a hundred arrivals, varying from
soldiers and students, through programmers and government CSO's, all the
way to CEO's and CTO's of different companies. Some have been part of
our community since the 70's and some are just people who are interested
in the subject.

Have a good week,

-- 
Gadi Evron,
Information Security Manager, Project Tehila -
Israeli Government Internet Security.
Ministry of Finance, Israel.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Office: +972-2-5317890
Fax: +972-2-5317801
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linux day /lectures in jerusalem

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
I noticed that people are planning to lecture / originize an install party
in givat ram in jerusalem, Since we already originize those sort of stuff
in givat ram all the time, (for example we are on our second intro 2 linux
lecture this week, and planning an install party next month)
I think it would be usefull for originize things together.
In general we do those things every year for new students since cs
students here use only linux for 99% of their courses.


Ely Levy
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Re: record radio

[Ely Levy]

I think it's http://213.8.143.165:80/glz-stream
which can be played/recorded by mplayer (0.9)

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
  On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 06:56:49AM +0200, Cyril Scetbon wrote:
 
 Has someone a link to use with realplay to listen to reshetbet (or other
 radio in hebrew but if you got this one :-) ?
 My link is dead (rtsp://media3.netvision.net.il:554/live/reshetbet.rm)
 I have to use realplay or mplayer to record it.

  You can use, in addition to what you said, 'mimms' to download only.

 While on the subject - does anyone have a working URL and a program
 which can record Gelay Tzahal?
 I used to record Shaa-Historit for a few months using mmsclient but
 then about a year ago it stopped working and I never found how to fix
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Re: Meta: Cannot Send a Message to this List.

[Ely Levy]

Hey,
I didn't recive any email from your address,
I would check what happened to it,
Beside you few other people complained about messages taking a long
time to get to list, this is due to the fact linux-il is gettting HUGE
amount of spam daily (well huge to my standards at least;)
and our new spam filter is now learning what spam is so it miss messages
from time to time.
I go over the list 2-3 times a day but still sometimes email get to wait.

If anyone wish to help do email me:)

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Sat, 23 Oct 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 Hi all!

 I tried sending out this message:

 http://www.shlomifish.org/good-web-forum-impl.txt

 To the list several times in the past, and it did not arrive there in all the
 times. I was able to send other messages to this list, but not this one. They
 didn't even bounce.

 I tried sending an E-mail to the mailing list owner but he did not reply.

 Please handle it, and meanwhile respond to the message.

 Regards,

   Shlomi Fish
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ARGG!!!!

[Ely Levy]

Just when things started to look good
Just when I thought someone in the goverment finally has some brain
I get to rid a story like that:

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2992659,00.html

Tell me it doesn't get you upset!Tell me it doesn't stinks out of
corruption!

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[Fwd: The Security Forum - meeting #4 -17/10/04] (fwd)

[Ely Levy]

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Subject: [Fwd: The Security Forum - meeting #4 -17/10/04]

Hi Ely, please forward the attached message to linux-il?

Thanks,

Gadi.

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Hello!

The next, non-commercial, technological Security Forum will take place
on Sunday, the 17th of October, 2004, at Tel Aviv University's Lev
Auditorium.

115 people came to our last meeting on the 12th of September. The air
conditioner worked perfectly. :)

Schedule

17:45 - Gathering - hot and cold drinks will be served.

18:00 - Christoph Fischer, CEO - BFK, GmbH.
  Lecture: Video Conference about Phishing.
  Level: This lecture is suited for all levels.
  This Video Conference lecture from Germany will be on
  Phishing, covering a study case of a Phishing worm which
  hit German banks and eBay, early September.

  Christoph Fischer is one of the most well known incident
  response handlers in Germany and a well respected member
  of incident response and security communities, world-wide.
  He was one of the founders of the well respected EICAR
  and Caro virus Researchers' organizations, and is currently
  the CEO of BFK, GmbH.

19:00 - We will break for a short recess, as well as for
  refreshments and networking between members - hot and cold
  drinks will be served.

19:20 -  Amir Ben-Yosef, CEO - Mitsy.
  Lecture: Computer Forensics.
  Level: This lecture is suited for all levels, although
  there will be time for technological questions.

  Amir's lecture is the one which was supposed to take
  place at our original meeting, 3 months ago. It will be
  about Computer Forensics.

Hot and cold drinks will be freely available.

Attendance is free.

For a map of the university please visit:
http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp

For future and past lectures, presentations and general information:
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec

You can also visit our Orkut community (Tausec):
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm

Re: Job opening

[Ely Levy]

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Tal Achituv wrote:

 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
 solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
 If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately and
 delete this communication.


Not that we are not happy about job offers,
but this kind of comments create legal problems as linux-il list is being
archived, e-mails are being forwarded and so on,
would be nice if you can avoid putting ELUA in the end of the email:)

Ely

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Re: [Meta] Smart People Leaving Linux-IL

[Ely Levy]

I don't see what's the urge of pleasing everyone?
each mailing list has its own crowd, there are debian-il mailing list
hackers-il newbies and so on, there is no law against being on more than
one mailing list,
there is also linux-il-annonce which is just for important annoncements
but seems not to really be in use anymore.
linux-il is a very social list, and at least for me is what I like about
it. I don't like those over technical lists which shoot you down everytime
you say something off topic, and I find that seperating linux-il and
newbies lists was a preety good idea, (forgot whose).
changing the nature of the list maybe would bring few new ppl but would
probebly make you loose others, and anyhow if those ppl wanted change they
should have asked for it, if they went away it means linux-il as a social
place is not important to them, and I don't see why we should care about
them?.


Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 04:20, you wrote:
  El lun, 16-08-2004 a las 09:08, Shlomi Fish escribió:
   Hi all!
  
   I noticed a trend when talking to some people face to face, and that is
   that many of them (and I'm referring to smart, expert, even full-fledged
   hacker people) stop reading the Linux-IL mailing list after a while.
   Their reasons vary. Some of the things I heard:
  
   1. Linux-IL is the core of too many flame-wars.
  
   2. Linux-IL has a low signal-to-noise ratio.
 
  In Mendoza, Argentina, we have succesufully reduced the SNR by creating
  a list that allows ANY discussion. When a flame is started in the lug
  list We just continue the thread in that other list.

 You probably mean _increased_ the SNR. SNR is Signal-to-Noise Ratio, and if
 it's high, then it's better. (it's a term derived from Electrical
 Engineering :-)).

 In any case, I like this idea so much that I started a charter for this list
 on the Hackers-IL Wiki:

 http://www.hackers.org.il/mediawiki/index.php/Linux-il-chat

 Feel free to correct or add more things there (or say your opinion below), or
 in the Discuss this page link.

 Note that I haven't formed the mailing list yet, nor intend to in the
 meantime. It's just that I like this idea.

 Regards,

   Shlomi Fish

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RE: Spam in the list :

[Ely Levy]

I agree with Rony,
This is a lot more headache to the list members than the spam.
Personaly I find legal stuff and EULA especialy something that should
be avoided unless you have a VERY good reason.
And I'm sure it would scare away new users/make problems with people who
use their work account/create a big repeative arguments over the list.


Ely Levy
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Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel



On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Rony Shapiro wrote:

 Hi,

 IMHO, this solution puts more burden on list members than the current
 level of spam.

   Rony

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 Subject: Spam in the list :


 Few thoughts :
 --
 1. EULA in the registration can be a good idea.
 2. Since it is somewhat technical list, a simple questionnaire from a
 pool of question
is likely to discourage most of spammers, something like :
What is your favorite text manipulation utility : A) ld   B) awk  C)
 ln   D) ash
(mine is C). It requires some programming probably.
 3. A ratification will be ask every couple of months. If it is not
 replied (correctly) after
two weeks, the user will be unregistered. It should skip on-vacation
 users and so on.









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Re: : Re: ???

[Ely Levy]

Aman..

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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Ira Abramov wrote:

 Quoting Shachar Spam Shemesh, from the spam of Tue, 10 Aug:
  
  Ok, I just talked to Haim Ravia, Hamakor's lawyer. Such an agreement IS
  possible, and should be enforceable. He asked for bullets detailing the
  points that need to be there. Our task list:

 HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD!!!

 can we PLEASE stop this spam nonsense?! this is more spam than any spammer
 has ever spammed in this list! I suggest spam should be spam-treated as
 spam has always been spam-treated on this non-spam list and that is to
 delete the spam and quietly blacklist the spammer after the fact. it's
 not like spam hits this list every too spam often! I can spam live with
 spam once in a spam while but spam arguments about spam are really spam
 rediculous spam! Spam spam spam stop this spam spam SPAM! spam is spam
 and this spam list is spam if we spam keep this spam up. moreover spam
 spam SPAM spam spam sausege and spam.

 --
 The spamming marketoid android
 Ira Spam Abramov
 spam://ira.abramov.org/spam-email/spam.html?spam=spamspamspam

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Re: : Re: ???

[Ely Levy]

 Quoting Shachar Spam Shemesh, from the spam of Tue, 10 Aug:
  
  Ok, I just talked to Haim Ravia, Hamakor's lawyer. Such an agreement IS
  possible, and should be enforceable. He asked for bullets detailing the
  points that need to be there. Our task list:

 HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD!!!

Grrr sorry, just my religious mind makes me feel quilty;)
the amen was on the rest of the email and not this line.
(silly I know, but I felt the urge to say that..)

Ely

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[Fwd: Security forum (#2) at the Tel Aviv University - 8/08/2004]

[Ely Levy]

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:32:32 +0200
From: Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Fwd: Security forum (#2) at the Tel Aviv University - 8/08/2004]
The Security and Computer Forensics forum at the Tel Aviv University
started
when a few of us decided to *do* instead of complain about the (almost)
total lack of professional and social activities relating to Information
Security in Israel, which are not completely commercial and meant to
stick
products down our throats.
Following the success (and fun!) of the first forum (on the 11/07), with
the
arrival of 75 people, from soldiers and students through police and
government officials to CTO's and CEO's of different companies, we hereby
announce the next one! :)
The next (non-commercial!) Security and Computer Forensics forum will take
place on the 8th of August, 2004, at the Schreiber building, Tel Aviv
University at 18:00.
The first part of the forum (at 18:00) will be an open discussion and
debate
session
regarding issues involved with Spam, the problem, fighting it and where we
are headed.
The lecture of this month's forum will be about SQL Injections and
Cross-Site-Scripting. It will start at 19:00.
Both events will be conducted by Shachar Shemesh, founder of LINGNU.
For us to prepare a location which can hold all of the attendants, please
_confirm_ your *intention* to arrive (we realize no one can say they will
for sure).
You can contact me at by email of phone (as specified below in my
signature).
Important note: as it is currently vacation time, at the evening most of
the
gates to TAU are closed, so please make arrangements to arrive through
gate
8 or 4..
You can find a map of TAU at http://www2.tau.ac.il/map/unimapl1.asp.
The Schreiber building is next to Gate 2 (Sha`ar Matitia) at the
middle-right of the map.
Please make sure and check our site before the date of the forum for
updates. On the site you can also find information about past and future
lectures (as well as the presentations for them):
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/tausec/
--
Gadi Evron,
Senior Security Consultant
Central Bureau of Statistics, Israel.
+972-50-428610 (Cell)
+972-2-6592257 (Office)
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