Re: Floppy disks at 2021?!
Floppies like these? https://fibersiv.net/threads/pieceinfo.html On 22.12.2021 21:27, Omer Zak wrote: I have a friend who has a PC, which got stuck in the late 1990's. This Ethernet-less and Internet-less PC has old (circa 1997) RedHat Linux installed on it and it uses floppy disks (diskettes) for backups. Now the floppy disk drive seems to have gone out of order and my friend will need to read his diskettes in a modern PC as well as transfer to it the contents of his hard disk (presumably connected via IDE or whatever was available in the antediluvian period before the Big Dotcom Crash of 2000. 1. Are there any floppy disk drives with USB connection for reading those diskettes? 2. If one needs to temporarily connect an old hard disk (not having a modern SATA interface) to a modern PC, what solutions are there? Thanks! --- Omer Zak -- Thanks, Uri http://bruck.co.il http://il.linkedin.com/in/uribruck twitter http://twitter.com/ubruck Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sms via icq with the new mobile companies
On 08/06/2012 10:39 AM, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2012, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about "Re: sms via icq with the new mobile companies": So not only check your bill carefully, but before you start sending lots of free SMSs, make sure it does not cost you to receive them. In Israel, you *do not* pay for incoming SMSs - it is the sender that pays for them. What can happen, however - is *fraud*: The cellular providers in Israel invented the trick of SMS "services", where you subscribe to some service (e.g., get a summary of the news once every day) and you pay for this service however much the service provider decides - often you pay per (incoming) SMS. Reverse SMS billing is not exclusive to Israel, and I doubt it's an Israeli invention. The problem is that much (if not 99%) of this concept is used not for legitimate services, but for fraud. E.g., you may find yourself unintentionally subscribed to a "service" that sends you random messages, or (in your case) messages sent over the web seemingly for free, and then bill you for 0.5 shekels, or even 50 shekels if they wish, for each such SMS. Nobody (especially not the cellular providers, who make a nice commission from the fraud) cares if you were never told that this service costs you money. A few years ago I did some work for an outfit that sent such reverse billing SMS. The company they sent them through required them to follow a double verification procedure before a new number could be added as a subscriber. Services are all listed on your cell phone bill, and removing them is as simple as calling the company listed there and telling them to stop the service. Starting last year, one type of service, the one used for trivia games, is opt-in. Phoned are blocked by default. It is unbelievable that several years after this fraud technique became popular, the ministry of communication hasn't closed this loophole. The closest they have come to doing so was to force the cellular providers to let you tell them that you don't want "SMS services" (not the normal SMSs, just the paid services) and you can no longer be defrauded in this manner. -- Thanks, Uri http://bruck.co.il twitter http://twitter.com/ubruck identi.ca http://identi.ca/bruck Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How to say reference implementation?
On 03/14/2011 11:44 AM, Oron Peled wrote: On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote: I'm not a linguist either, but what about מימוש סמך לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס. שניהם נשמעים טוב. בין שניהם הייתי בוחר על מימוש יחוס. -- Thanks, Uri http://bruck.co.il twitter http://twitter.com/ubruck Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How to say reference implementation?
On 03/14/2011 03:04 PM, Uri Bruck wrote: On 03/14/2011 11:44 AM, Oron Peled wrote: On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote: I'm not a linguist either, but what about מימוש סמך לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס. שניהם נשמעים טוב. . בין שניהם הייתי בוחר מימוש יחוס -- Thanks, Uri http://bruck.co.il twitter http://twitter.com/ubruck Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: linux beivrit
On 07/05/2010 04:31 PM, Raz wrote: Hey Nadav When i started i tried to work with open office in Hebrew, but i simply spent too much time trying to fix things, indentation, merging pictures and so on. also, how can ask for people to send me their comments ? I did not see track changes. It's under the Edit menu and it's called Changes. I tried making changes on one office suite and viewing/accepting/rejecting on the other - that also works. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 2010, Raz wrote about Re: linux beivrit: Open office would have been a much better choice (or lyx, or latex or a few others) I tried open format. does not look good at all. Hi, A lot of things can be said against Open Office (although I personally disagree with most of them), but I don't see how you can say its output (I assume you don't mean its UI) doesn't look good. What didn't you like? The fonts? The default style or layout? Or what? In my experience, you can create beautiful documents in Open Office, and it's not harder to do so than with with Microsoft Office, so I wonder whater problems you are referring to. Anyway, it's probably too late now for this document (converting formats is a harder issue), but it's something to think about for your next document :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Jul 5 2010, 23 Tammuz 5770 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Boat: A hole in the water surrounded by http://nadav.harel.org.il |wood into which one pours money. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Thanks, Uri http://bruck.co.il Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How to say in Hebrew intermittent?
Bick's Technical Dictionary offers סירוגי as one of the options It's transparent, due to the obvious relation to לסירוגין. Sound good to me. Dotan Cohen wrote: How to say in Hebrew intermittent? Words such as תקופתי, מקוטע, או לא קבוע do not fit as I am trying to describe a bug to Orange. Specifically, the bug is intermittent but I have yet to figure out under what conditions it appears. How would you say that? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: eTextBooks (for kids)
Justin wrote: When I left high-school in the capitalist USA in 1994 this was also the process. I can only assume it still is. It's just sensible not to throw out all the books every year. It's not really tied to any political ideology. In Haifa, Israel we have the same system -- Thanks, Uri Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
jobop - asterisk person
Hi, There's an outfit looking for a full time asterisk person -- Thanks, Uri Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: jobop - asterisk person - ps
Uri Bruck wrote: Hi, There's an outfit looking for a full time asterisk person Contact email - da...@a.co.il I have no further details - please don't reply to me -- Thanks, Uri Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: problem with xls files to read in open office
This document appears to be in SpreadsheetML The openoffice wiki has a document on this: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SpreadsheetML From a cursory look it looks like OpenOffice 3 is supposed to be able to handle this. sara fink wrote: Regarding the xls files, I just found out that orange xls files where you have the details of the conversations aren't readable in open office calc. However it work in microsoft excel. In OpenOffice Calc, it appears in the begining as xml tags and the rest is something unordered. So those who do care, please write or talk to orange DATA *663. Otherwise, getting details of the conversations, are charged. There is an workaround to solve this problem. The workaround is to open the file in microsoft excel, save as xls and then open it in open office. Here is how it looks like in OpenOffice calc without the converted file: ?xml version=1.0? ss:Workbook xmlns:ss=urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:spreadsheet ss:Styles ss:Style ss:ID=1 ss:Font ss:Bold=1 ss:Color=White ss:FontName=Ariel / ss:Interior ss:Color=Orange ss:Pattern=Solid / /ss:Style /ss:Styles ss:Worksheet ss:Name=Sheet1 ss:Table ss:Row ss:StyleID=1 ss:Cell ss:MergeAcross=1 ss:Data ss:Type=Stringפירוט שיחות/ss:Data /ss:Cell /ss:Row ss:Row ss:StyleID=1 ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringתאריך שיחה/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringשעת שיחה/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringמספר שחויג/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringשם מחויג/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringשם המפעיל/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringמשך שיחה לחיוב/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringמשך שיחה בפועל/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringתעריף זמן אויר orange/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringתעריף שימוש ברשתות תקשורת אחרות/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringסהכ לחיוב/ss:Data /ss:Cell ss:Cell ss:Data ss:Type=Stringהערות/ss:Data /ss:Cell /ss:Row ss:Row I am definitely going to complain about it. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Thanks, Uri Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OFFTOPIC: Re: Hebrew spam: what to do about it?
b...@rymland.com wrote: You may want to start with this: http://www.moital.gov.il/NR/exeres/1A0A7AB5-68D4-4739-801D-44390FEE7A39.htm That's exactly the reason why I haven't done it myself as well. The necessity to appear in court which means taking a day off or something. A few complimentary questions: 1) Have anyone heard of successful small claims suits so far? Is it that easy, straight-forward and pretty sure to have a win? Generally or specifically on spam? 2) Are you NOT allowed to be represented by somebody authorized by you? (YIPUI KOACH). See (4) in the above URL. 3) Anyone know if I can accumulate and coordinate several suits, administratively, to one court appearance? If each claim is against a separate entity then they are separate claims, and you don't get to set the court dates. If the answer is yes, then that would make it easy for me to proceed, since 1000 NIS isn't that much when you deduct the day off cost you have in your standard day time job. Boaz. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: System stopped wotking with firefox
Zvi Har'El wrote: אכן, בשלב זה, אתר הכללית תומך רק בדפדפנים מסוג אינטרנט אקספלורר של מיקרוסופט מגרסה 5.5 ומעלה. מבדיקות תקופתיות שאנו עורכים על הרגלי הגלישה בישראל עולה כי כ-98% מכלל הגולשים בישראל משתמשים בדפדפן מסוג אינטרנט אקספלורר (הנתונים על הרגלי הגלישה בעולם, אגב, מראים כי 93.7% מהגולשים משתמשים בדפדפן זה). מה מקור הנתונים האילו? אני קורא די הרבה סטטיסיטיקות של שימוש בדפדנים שונים, םגם של אתרים מרכזיים שמפרסמים סטטיטיקות על עצמם וגם של כאלו שאוספים מידע ממספר מקורות, והמזפרים לא קרובים אפילו. כבר שנתיים שאקספלורר מתחת ל90% (פרט ליפן) ובאירופה אף מתחת ל 80% ובירידה. -- Dr. Zvi Har'El mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Mathematics tel:+972-54-4227607 icq:179294841Technion - Israel Institute of Technology fax:+972-4-8293388 http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/Haifa 32000, ISRAEL If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all. -- Thumper (1942) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System stopped wotking with firefox
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070222-8908.html Explorer: below 80% and continues to drop http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/January/browser.php http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2007/February/browser.php The Counter Explorer : approx. 83% http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox50-microsoft-internet-explorer-7-usage.html OneStat explorer: approx. 85% http://www.adtech.info/en/pr-06-5.html adtech Explorer : 80% http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0qpmr=15qpdt=1qpct=3qptimeframe=Qqpsp=32 Market Share (net applications) Explorer: approx. 80% None of this even comes close to the 93.7% figure given by clalit. That might have been true 4-5 years ago, certainly not today. Uri Bruck wrote: Zvi Har'El wrote: אכן, בשלב זה, אתר הכללית תומך רק בדפדפנים מסוג אינטרנט אקספלורר של מיקרוסופט מגרסה 5.5 ומעלה. מבדיקות תקופתיות שאנו עורכים על הרגלי הגלישה בישראל עולה כי כ-98% מכלל הגולשים בישראל משתמשים בדפדפן מסוג אינטרנט אקספלורר (הנתונים על הרגלי הגלישה בעולם, אגב, מראים כי 93.7% מהגולשים משתמשים בדפדפן זה). מה מקור הנתונים האילו? אני קורא די הרבה סטטיסיטיקות של שימוש בדפדנים שונים, םגם של אתרים מרכזיים שמפרסמים סטטיטיקות על עצמם וגם של כאלו שאוספים מידע ממספר מקורות, והמזפרים לא קרובים אפילו. כבר שנתיים שאקספלורר מתחת ל90% (פרט ליפן) ובאירופה אף מתחת ל 80% ובירידה. -- Dr. Zvi Har'El mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Department of Mathematics tel:+972-54-4227607 icq:179294841Technion - Israel Institute of Technology fax:+972-4-8293388 http://www.math.technion.ac.il/~rl/Haifa 32000, ISRAEL If you can't say somethin' nice, don't say nothin' at all. -- Thumper (1942) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MySQL vs. Microsoft Access
Uri Even-Chen wrote: On 2/18/07, Arieh Skliarouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see only-tables conversion as good first step. There is howto on access-mysql conversion: http://www.kitebird.com/articles/access-migrate.html There is a great feature we use with the tables stored in Microsoft Access. I defined one-to-many connections between tables - at least 50 connections. Access enforces these connections - you can't add a record to the table with many if there is not a key in the table with one connected to it. You also can't modify the key data on both connected sides, and you can't delete connected records on the one side of the connection. If I want to create an Access query, I open the tables database and add tables, and the connections are added automatically. Are there table connections in MySQL? Mysql has more than one storage engine. They differ in features. The feature you describe is called Foreign Keys. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-engine-choosing.html The link compares the features you get with the different engines. There's more about each of them here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-engine-overview.html Take a look. See it suits your needs. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: paying Bituach Leumi using Firefox
Eddie Aronovich wrote: This is clear way to start an endless thread to different unrelated issues like what is the real meaning EULA of IE / WIN. I am not a lawyer, but IMHO, the antitrust means something totally different. Beofre someone will think - please, there is no need to bother a lawyer with that one. It can remain an open issue. As I see it - the question is simple - if there is a legal base that on-line services as paying should be allowed thru public standard/open/free tools or not. Since one can pay it not on-line, I am not sure that it is a problem at all (even though I find it bad). The bituach leumi is part of the Mimshal Zamin project. If it only works on MSIE, then it isn't zamin. A quick google brought up this document: http://www.knesset.gov.il/protocols/data/rtf/mada/2005-07-26.rtf and I'm sure there are many others, where the question of standards has at least been raised. Eddie -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OT) OpenOffice Impress to executable
ik wrote: Hi, I'm looking for an idea on how to take an existed OpenOffice Impress file, and convert it into executable, so anyone (depends on the executable format) will be able to use it without installing Impress... I would appreciate any ideas, suggestion or pointing for such subject. Look under the File|Export menu in OO. There are formats like Flash, WMF, and several others. Maybe one of those is good enough for your needs. Thanks, Ido = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Orit Hazzan on July 3rd's Israel.pm meeting]
Original Message Subject: [Israel.pm] Orit Hazzan on July 3rd's Israel.pm meeting Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:30:35 +0300 (IDT) From: Yona Shlomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Perl in Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I'm very pleased to announce that in our upcomming israel.pm meeting, on July 3rd, Associate Professor Orit Hazzan will give a talk. Associate Professor Orit Hazzan is with the Department of Education in Technology and Science at the Technion - Israel Institute of Technology. She is the co-author of Human Aspects of Software Engineering along with James Tomayko. The title of her talk is: A game theory perspective on software development processes A short abstract: The talk explores how agile software development overcomes some of the inherited problems of software development processes. For this purpose specific software development situations are analyzed within a game theory framework that will be explained in the meeting. Duration of the talk: At least 60 minutes. The location: F5 Networks offices HaBarzel 24 Ramat HaXayal Tel-Aviv -- Shlomo Yona [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yeda.cs.technion.ac.il/~yona/ ___ Perl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perl.org.il/mailman/listinfo/perl -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [YBA] Job Opening
Ori Idan wrote: Free word viewer? yes, free as in free beer. YBA is talking about free software in the sense of free speach. He wants a person to understand the meaning of free software and sending in a free format is one way of showing it. I get that it's About Choice. In your world, it's About Choice as long as I make the choice you make? And that's different from MS in what subtle way? As for Microsoft or Bill gates, we all understand that they are not the root of all evil. We are not against Microsoft, we are against the idea that someone will have control over the software we use or over the format we use to distribute our documents. If it was another company it would be the same. No one here is beconnimg religous. Protecting my own (and others) freedom is not a religous war. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off topic] A new project - automatic translation
Nadav Har'El wrote: And, for an interesting corpus, why not try... the bible? It has been translated into countless languages, and a strict correspondence between the verses has been observed. Of course, some of the translations features some archaic language :-) Hebrew and the 1917 JPS English translation. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/ Lots of translations: http://bible.gospelcom.net/ -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off topic] A new project - automatic translation
Uri Even-Chen wrote: I also read the article Translation memory [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation_memory] (linked from the articles you sent me). I think the term Translation memory describes what I want to do: I want to create a huge translation memory database of many languages, which will be used to translate texts from one language to another. A single TM database for all fields isn't very useful. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] resume translate
Man Gregory wrote: This is my first resume in Israel after aliya and army service, and I don't know what I need to do. I wrote resume in English and then I try to translate I get more words in English that in Hebrew (all programs and OS's names). You can try to transliterate them into Hebrew. Thanks for you help. You can transliterate words like Firewalls, NAT, IDS, TCP/IP, IPX/SPX so that other people can understand this? I advise against transliterating such words. The list of terms you gave can as-is in a Hebrew resume as well. Firewall has an acceptable translation. In a Hebrew resume it should be translated or left in English, definitely not transliterated. Some terms have acceptable Hebrew or pidgin terms. Unfortunately I can't spell out a rule for when to use what. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why most people prefer Windows
Peter wrote: So adding one more program to the mix adds that many more things that can be incompatible. I am no longer following you here: What do you propose ? I wasn't proposing anything. I wrote: Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. At best, it appears to be one more version and possiblty one more format to mess with. If you believe that OpenOffice somehow solves all compatibility problems, many examples of which you appear to be able to detail, please let me know how. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why most people prefer Windows
Amos Shapira wrote: On 10/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The same problem is with FireFox - it doesn't come with Windows, you have to install it. I know of quite a few people who switched to FireFox but wouldn't switch from MS-Office to OpenOffice. I also tried Open Office and went back to MS Office. It's just not as easy to use, and not compatible with the rest of the world... Compatibility is a big issue. Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time spent to give it a proper test. But are they willing to sit down and test all their documents with the new MS office version? Past documents are not an issue. My take from your statement is that people just PRECIEVE that OO Obviously willingness to switch has something to do with perception. is less compatible just because it comes from a different source while in practice it might have better support for legacy MS documents than MS Office itself. It does. [and continuing to your other letter] Have you tried or are you falling to the same preceived trap these people tell you about? Of course I've tried. My personal experience so far (over the last 2-3 year by now) is that OO both opens *and creates* MS Office documents without a problem. Usually. The only problems I sometimes see are with some embedded objects, but they are few and get fewer with time. Can you predict with certainty which document will present problems? I personally use OO to create MS Office versions of my resume when I look for a job and never got a complaint about this (from people who got back to me, so I didn't just miss opportunities because people couldn't open my resume). Resumes are trivial documents. The issue is not whether the document will open. It was explained in this thread numerous times: OpenOffice supports all MS Office format versions since Office 95 and onward - if you use it you can save documents in any format you like. If you save a document in Office 95 format then you should be able to read it with any MS Office version used today. should be able - I guess if I pitch back the have you tried it? question the answer will be no. Kapish? I kapish that I probably handle a lot more documents than you do. I also kapish that this is no worse what you've got now is not a compelling reason to switch an office suite. I also kapish that features like document annotations and tracking changes are not as easy to use, not even that easy to find, on OpenOffice. They're there all-right, they're not just not very friendly. --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why most people prefer Windows
Peter wrote: Compatibilty with the clients' documents is a one of the major issues. For people who are painfully aware of compatibility problems between different versions of MS-Word, OpenOffice may not seem very attractive. This isn't just a matter of cost, it's also a matter of the time spent to give it a proper test. Imho you got this wrong: I'm telling it as they tell me. People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d. The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's machine? Peter -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why most people prefer Windows
Peter wrote: I'm telling it as they tell me. People who are aware of the incompatibility between MS Office document versions are more likely to try something else in the hope the document will open somehow. And with OO, it does, even if the formatting is d. The document I receive is only one part. The bigger part is the document I need to send back to the client. Will it look the same on the client's machine? Ask this in a different way: If you send an advanced (with advanced features) document made with Office 2000 and they receive it with Office 97, will it look the same ? (answer: like [EMAIL PROTECTED] it will, even if it does not freeze their system or crash Office by throwing a VBA exception). So adding one more program to the mix adds that many more things that can be incompatible. Next you will tell me that No, I will not tell you that, and I don't play with other people's straw men :) you have to stay compatible with your clients and so you need to maintain all necessary Office versions active on your system. That is one [EMAIL PROTECTED] of an answer for someone who could use OO and simply click 'save/send as Office 97 document' or straight PDF, since you care so much about how it looks. In the more common case the client wants a file that can be read by MS-Word. They may want to mark it up. If it's a go-between (like an agency) they may want their editor to go over it. PDF is often not an option. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux, Active Directory and TIMEZONES
Uri Even-Chen wrote: Ira Abramov wrote: that's because MS are a**hes and don't think Israel uses summer clock. Asia/Jerusalem on win machines is GMT+2 year round It's like a thorn in the ass. Every summer I have to enter the control panel of all the computers at home office and change the time zone to a city where it is GMT+3, such as Kuwait or Baghdad. Every winter I have to change back to Jerusalem. Many times I forget (there are many computers in the office I work at, and I'm not there all the time), and then the time is not correct. And in the meantime, I keep receiving E-mail from people which is set to the wrong time (usually GMT+2 at summer). It's such a pain that the whole country (or world) has to depend on some assholes at Microass to come up with a solution. They did. Solution 1: http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95KernelToy/Default.asp Time Zone editor. Solution 2: http://lingnu.com/support.html Specific registry data for each year up to 2010 None of this is new. Until then, we are all stuck with incorrect time zones... No. You just need to look it up. MS bashing is more fun, of course, but not always more productive. Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux, Active Directory and TIMEZONES
Amos Shapira wrote: On 9/28/05, Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uri Even-Chen wrote: depend on some assholes at Microass to come up with a solution. They did. Solution 1: http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95KernelToy/Default.asp Time Zone editor. Solution 2: http://lingnu.com/support.html Specific registry data for each year up to 2010 I wouldn't call these a solution, Fine. Then it's a workaround. Most people reading this list would accept such workarounds if this wasn't an MS system. it doesn't solve the basic problem, these are just tools to let the users overcome the problem when they arrise every year - they don't scale well, they aren't automatic, they don't solve issues of historic data or future dates. The two workarounds are different. The time zone editor accepts rules, such as the The first friday of April - these are the kind of rules that the US and most of Western Europe uses (it's not fixed dates, it's rules). I think the begining of summer clock was set to be such a rule. The end was set by the Jewish calendar, so if you don't mind being off by an hour for a few days once in a while, it might be good enough the registry data is specific for each year. Historic data remains untouched. This works for the case of The appointment looked fine when I wrote it a year ago. I want it to keep looking the same As for future dates - that greatly depends on what you mean by future dates, and what your needs are. It is certainly not the case that we all have to 'go' to Athens (I'm told it's nicer than Bagdad) or have the wrong time zone. As an analogy - imagine a car which keeps heating up too often, forcing the driver to stop - the maker puts up a thermometer to tell the driver when he should stop and let the car cool down - would you call it a solution? I wouldn't. Only if the maker made the car take care of its over-heating automatically and without bothering the driver (and keeping the car running) I would consider this problem as solved, and I think so will most other people. Timezone editor and registry entries are like this thermometer. Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux, Active Directory and TIMEZONES
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Uri Bruck wrote: They did. Solution 1: http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95KernelToy/Default.asp Time Zone editor. Solution 2: http://lingnu.com/support.html Hold on a sec. This link is up to date as far as the law that passed about a month before daylight saving took effect this year. If there was another change since, it's not reflected in the above files. I found nothing regarding such a change in wikipedia, but people here seemed to suggest that such a change took place. Did I get it wrong? If there was such a change you can find out by inquiring with Misrad Ha-Pnim. It should be on their website, but they also have phones and faxes. I did not hear of such a change, but I do know that it's not difficult to find out. Specific registry data for each year up to 2010 Actually, the registry data is good for all years, until hell freezes over or the government change the law again, whichever comes first (I would have given a 100:1 betting ratio for anyone willing to put their money on the first option happening first, except betting is illegal). None of this is new. If there was no change to the law since daylight saving took effect this year, then that, at least, is true. The workarounds existed long before that. The specific parameters to set would have been different before that law. Shachar -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux, Active Directory and TIMEZONES
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Uri Bruck wrote: the registry data is specific for each year. Historic data remains untouched. This works for the case of The appointment looked fine when I wrote it a year ago. I want it to keep looking the same No, I'm afraid this statemnet is wrong. OK. I stand corrected, then. So long as the method for determining daylight saving start/end dates remains the same, Windows will use the existing system for all cases. If there is any need to load a new definition, this definition will take effect for all history and future. Windows is simply not capable of grasping the idea that its way of defining when DST stops/starts will not encompass all countries/all years. More about it at http://www.nrg.co.il/online/10/ART/925/274.html (plug warning - my article). If you already wrote it nicely once then providing the link is simpler than writing it again. Quite acceptable. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Actcom without a dailer costs more
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The copy you got was my first try, before I was subscribed to the list. I then subscribed to the list and posted my message *TWICE* more (second time after I saw that the first one didn't appear for much time). My mail log says iglu mailer got it fine (it said ok) and I didn't get any confirmation or error messages. So definitely something in this listar is bogus. I hope that it will not handle the same further mail from me. Amir Listar? Listar was renamed to ecartis approx. 4 years ago due to a naming conflict. The mail I get from the ecartis list doesn't have LISTAR in its headers anywhere. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Political standings
Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi Everyone While installing Debian i was asked to choose from which coutry I am. I was suprised that in the country list I found the following entry: Palestinian territories, Occupied Its not that importent but: 1. Does debian need to take a stand in the dispute ? 2. Even if they choose to show the Palestinian territories why they added the Occupied? 3. if point 2 is accepteble why they didnt added Iraq, Occupied or Basque, Occupied or maybe if they really want to state opinions how about North Korea, death camps? Considering the fact that the Palestinian state never existed we can conclude that someone use Debian to say false accusations. where does Palestinian territories, Occupied says it's a state? In fact, it says exactly the opposite. If it had said The State of Palestine, occupied then your complaint of false accusations might have had some merit. I think that the Israeli Community should ask to correct that. I also must clear that I dont take a political stand ( in the list ) for or against the Palestinian or their right for a home land. Cheers -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Cel: 972-52-8555757 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: UB That's the everybody's doing it argument. There's a whole of a lot UB of immoral and illegal stuff you can justify with that. Actually, I have hard time thinking about anything illegal and immoral that a lot of people are doing and even more people see nothing bad in doing even if they don't do it themselves. There are a lot of people who believe, as I do, that disrespecting IP is immoral. So your presentation of it is misleading, and your question is better unasked. Artist spend a lot of time and sometimes money, to bring their to where you can enjoy them. You ask, no, you DEMAND, free and unlimited access to their product. What right have you to demand that? Could you name, say, three such things, not related to IP laws? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: UB There are a lot of people who believe, as I do, that disrespecting IP is UB immoral. So your presentation of it is misleading, and your question is UB better unasked. OK, they do believe so, so what? Your own argument was based on may more people see nothing wrong with it - so many people are only relevant when they appear to support your view? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 24 May 2005 23:54, Uri Bruck wrote: Shlomi Fish wrote: do you think it is desirable to enforce a law that prevents people from ripping a CD/eBook/DVD/whatever and sharing it online? Do you think it would be practical? Do you think that it is a crime to do that? Technology advances, and law and philosophy must advance with it. Just for the record, I'll re-iterate a story that RMS likes to tell. He said that when he was in elementary school his teacher encouraged the class to share their candies with their friends. And today, it is the opposite: No Tommy, don't share your software/music/video/whatever. It's illegal. You're missing a big point here Shlomi. You can share your software/music/video/whatever, but what I create isn't yours, it's mine, and it's up to me how it should be distributed and shared. The copyrights to the work you create are yours. The copy of the work is mine. When children (or teenagers, or adults) make copies of CDs/DVDs/mp3s/etc. they do it so they can share these copies along with their friends. They don't see nothing wrong with it. Don't you think it may be an indication that there _isn't_ something wrong with it. That's the everybody's doing it argument. There's a whole of a lot of immoral and illegal stuff you can justify with that. Are you approving of teachers telling the school children to Do not share your music with the other children. Copying copyrighted work is wrong!? According to RMS, the belief that sharing anything is wrong causes great damages to society because it makes people more reluctant to sharing. I want people to learn to respect other people's feeling, creations, property, etc. You want to coerce everyone into sharing. Worse, you want people to learn that it's ok to coerce others to share. That's not the altruism taught by encouraging people to share, it's a warped version of altruism which uses mock altruistic language to justify being a bully. When copyright law was formulated there were no means to easily, quickly and efficiently copy content. But even when some of them were introduced (Xerox machines, Betamax/VHS tapes, Audio Cassettes, etc.) the general belief was that it is OK to make copies of your artwork to your friends. (at least at little or no cost). Whose general belief? What are you basing this assumption on? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Shlomi Fish wrote: http://www.advogato.org/article/841.html As an artist, I can testify that making a living out of one's creations plays a very marginal in one's artistic activities. The main motivation is creating something new and getting everybody possible to experience it, and comment on it. When it comes to YOUR creations you can do what you please. Then it's YOUR choice. You have no right to decide for others what to do with their creations. Just as you have no right to dictate to how I should use my resources, my time, my knowledge, you have no right to decide that my creations can be copied and distributed freely. That is my choice to make on each and every product of my work, tangible or intangible. You also write: First the first issue. The short answer is that the ISPs must not disclose such information, at least not without a court permit. What's a court permit? I know what court orders are, and that a court order can be used to compel a service provider (this is not restricted to ISPs) to disclose information about a client. In the notes you write: should note that, as far as I know, copyright law is purely a recent phenomenon that emerged during post-Renaissance Europe. There are several other concepts that are purely a recent phenomenon [and not globally practiced yet]: 1. Education for the masses 2. The right to vote for people who are not of a the small ruling class. 3. The idea that a person can't be the property of another person. If being a recent phenomenon is an argument against copyright law, then might as well abolish those, and a lot of other things. and: As an artist, I can testify that making a living out of one's creations plays a very marginal in one's artistic activities. The main motivation is creating something new and getting everybody possible to experience it, and comment on it. I would continue to write stories, essays, articles and open-source software, regardless if I ever make any significant amount of money out of it. So would almost any artist on the planet, a few of which has so far earned enough to last them and their inheritors for several life-times. (and the arm is still erect). I see, so since people didn't manage to get rich of their art, let's rob them of the little they did manage to make. and: (and the arm is still erect). What? I know what you meant here, but this literal rendering makes it seem, well, weird. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 24 May 2005 16:44, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:46:27PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.advogato.org/article/841.html This is a very well written article, which attempts to justify software and other intelectual property using the following skewed arguments: Do you mean it tries to justify software copyright infringement? And I specificlaly mentioned that intellectual property was an incorrect term because it isn't property and because copyrights, patents and trademarks are completely different things that serve different purposes. But you just mentioned it, you didn't really give any compelling argument, or evena non-compelling one. Just a link to an opinion article by RMS. I respect the man, but I don't automatically have to accept his opinion on everything. Thus Spake RMS is not an argument. 1. It isn't copy protected, so it's okay to steal. Infringing on one's copyright is not stealing, because copyrighted bitbuckets are not property. Furthermore, making a copy of a song, video, picture, etc. is not infringing on one's copyright. Distributing that copy is. Filesharing is distributing. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 24 May 2005 20:32, Uri Bruck wrote: Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 24 May 2005 16:44, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:46:27PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Check: http://www.advogato.org/article/841.html This is a very well written article, which attempts to justify software and other intelectual property using the following skewed arguments: Do you mean it tries to justify software copyright infringement? And I specificlaly mentioned that intellectual property was an incorrect term because it isn't property and because copyrights, patents and trademarks are completely different things that serve different purposes. But you just mentioned it, you didn't really give any compelling argument, or evena non-compelling one. Just a link to an opinion article by RMS. I respect the man, but I don't automatically have to accept his opinion on everything. Thus Spake RMS is not an argument. I realize that Thus Spoke RMS is not an argument. But this article has an opinion which is well-founded, well-explained and which I agree with. Besides, how can debating whether the term Intellectual Property is valid, can be anything except opinionated? You were not debating. You wrote And I specificlaly mentioned that intellectual property was an incorrect term because it isn't property and because copyrights, patents and trademarks are completely different things that serve different purposes. as a refutation to someone who was disagreeing with you, as if the starting position for the discussion should be an apriori acceptance of it, and anyone who doesn't accept that doesn't understand the issue. Intellecutal property is copyrights, trademarks, patents, trade secrets, etc. I'd like to propose the term Rindolfian Property which will consist of owning Highland Cows, individual pieces of carrots, lands that are composed entirely of grass, and copies of emails that contain the string sweet potato pie. Will the question whether this Rindolfian Property makes sense or not can be proven mathematically? What does any of this have to do with mathematical proof? 1. It isn't copy protected, so it's okay to steal. Infringing on one's copyright is not stealing, because copyrighted bitbuckets are not property. Furthermore, making a copy of a song, video, picture, etc. is not infringing on one's copyright. Distributing that copy is. Filesharing is distributing. Like I said, distributing a copy non-commercially isn't infringing on one's copyright, because traditional copyright law does not allow the copyright holder to prohibit someone for doing that with a public work. Please provide citations. Please also include citations that laws are written in stone and should never be changed regardless of changes of technology. Please provide a citation that supports the notion that a published work automatically and immediately becomes a public work, regardless of the author's intentions. And what is traditional law anyway? How far back do we need to go? What is the date when they got it right and beyond which Shlomi Fish no longer allows humanity to further develop and ammend concepts? Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Tcl is LISP on drugs. Using strings instead of S-expressions for closures is Evil with one of those gigantic E's you can find at the beginning of paragraphs. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acting against anti-file-swapping Lawsuits in Israel
Shlomi Fish wrote: do you think it is desirable to enforce a law that prevents people from ripping a CD/eBook/DVD/whatever and sharing it online? Do you think it would be practical? Do you think that it is a crime to do that? Technology advances, and law and philosophy must advance with it. Just for the record, I'll re-iterate a story that RMS likes to tell. He said that when he was in elementary school his teacher encouraged the class to share their candies with their friends. And today, it is the opposite: No Tommy, don't share your software/music/video/whatever. It's illegal. You're missing a big point here Shlomi. You can share your software/music/video/whatever, but what I create isn't yours, it's mine, and it's up to me how it should be distributed and shared. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]
Shlomi Fish wrote: It's bread and circuses in English, AFAIR. Comes from Latin, if I know. Right and Right. http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/B0463950.html -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT, but so often discussed] www.iaa.gov.il wants IE
Omer Zak wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 00:00 +0200, Oron Peled wrote: Ok, solved. Good work! The answer is that the site tries to set a cookie -- if it get refused -- you get the stupid error message instead of one that ask for enabled cookies. The Web site QA people probably did not cover all error cases. Our campaign is limited to Web browser compatibility (W3C testing compliance). Call for volunteers: Set up a Web site which documents misleading error messages and the scenarios, in which they occur. Guaranteed to have hillarious stories and interesting anecdotes. There are existing interface hall of shame sites. Maybe one or more of them has a nice web applications section. Way to go Matrix -- can we hire your Linux support services :-) Seconded. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: פנייתך לבנק דיסקונט מתאריך 28/02/2005
Kovriga, Gregory wrote: Is such a case there are probably better ways to act. Such as sending the letters to: 1. moatsa le tsarhanut 2. there is also government supervision over banks, there should be an address for mails there too... It's done through ha-mefakeakh al ha-bankim the contact info is here: http://www.bankisrael.gov.il/whoheb/whoheb.htm Thanks, Gregory. -Original Message- From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:14 PM To: Shachar Shemesh Cc: Kovriga, Gregory; Rony Shapiro; Shlomi Fish; Linux-IL Subject: Re: 28/02/2005 On Wed, Mar 02, 2005, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: 28/02/2005: What we CAN do, however, is hurt them where they'll feel it. Let's decide on a date, say - April 1st. During that day, all Discount bank Linux users are to call in, once every half an hour or so, and ask what their current balance is. State that you are waiting for your salary to come in, or something. When asked why don't you check that through the Internet, tell them you can't, as they locked you out. I doubt this is very likely to help. The banks apparently have two completely disjoint systems: 1. the human tellers and bankers in the branches, and 2. the compterization people working on the Internet front-end. Trying to convince the former that you are right, is not going to help with the latter. The common manager of the two systems is probably very high up the organization structure of the bank. A couple of years ago, when Bank Leumi's site wasn't working properly with Netscape (now it sort of does, if you know the back entrance...), I went to my banker to threaten him that I was going to leave them because they don't support Netscape. The banker appeared sad, asked me what Netscape was (!), and then said there's nothing he could do but give me the phone and watch me call the Internet support people. I did, and they bluntly told me that they don't support Netscape, don't care about Netscape, and have no plans to do so in the future. My banker didn't have any say in that conversation, and the person on the other side didn't really care if my local branch suffered if I left them. Considering the amount of money we all together have in this bank I would say that lack of interest of the bank is his customers is quite surprising... Banks are a cartel. Not surprising at all. And please be aware of the percentages. How much of the bank's total money do you think is made from home Linux users? 1%? 0.01%? Be true to yourself, and don't say 10%: please remember that: 1. all of the bank's income from businesses, loans, mashkantaot, etc., have nothing to do with Linux. 2. half the clients (say) don't use a computer at all to access the account. Even many rich clients (think, for example, of old people). 3. Windows users that prefer firefox still can (and do) use IE for sites such as the bank. Banks should support Mozilla for other reasons: 1. Fairness (the same reason we support handicaps, even if only 1%) 2. Future market share for Firefox is likely to grow. 3. IE 7, coming next year, might break their site if they don't check their standard compliance now. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users
It could use some editing and more citations. Ely Levy wrote: They seem to use more than just the hod ami dictionary, it's a huge blend of things, which I wouldn't mind if they put lable what was taken from where. for example write directory in the search. (Yea my favorite test word;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Uri Bruck wrote: The Hod Ami dictionary is online at the John Bryce site: http://www.johnbryce.co.il/milon/index.asp Ely Levy wrote: The Hod Ami dictionary is based on the cooperation between Machon hatkanim and the academy, I think there is also a version on line in the academy site but I couldn't find it. Ely Levy -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users
Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2005, Ely Levy wrote about Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users: Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated? Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew? Ely, what is Machon Hatkanim Hebrew? Since when is Machon Hatkanim an authority on the Hebrew language? Can you point us to a site or something about this standard? Or do you perhaps refer to the Academy of the Hebrew Language? The Hod Ami computer terminology dictionary was published in cooperation with Machon Hatkanim - perhaps that is what Ely is refering to. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users
The Hod Ami dictionary is online at the John Bryce site: http://www.johnbryce.co.il/milon/index.asp Ely Levy wrote: The Hod Ami dictionary is based on the cooperation between Machon hatkanim and the academy, I think there is also a version on line in the academy site but I couldn't find it. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2005, Ely Levy wrote about Re: Help make OpenOffice 2.0 better for Hebrew users: Talking about openoffice, anyone know how is it translated? Does it use the official machon hatkanim hebrew? Ely, what is Machon Hatkanim Hebrew? Since when is Machon Hatkanim an authority on the Hebrew language? Can you point us to a site or something about this standard? Or do you perhaps refer to the Academy of the Hebrew Language? -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Jan 10 2005, 1 Shevat 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Willpower: The ability to eat only one http://nadav.harel.org.il |salted peanut. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BLUE MURDER!
Lior Kesos wrote: Isn't this the one that celebrated a 1 yr birthday? Never but ever jinx you're leading server in public mailinglists.. I wonder if guiness supports a linux uptime record ... :) Guiness requires some news report before it accepts anything for consideration. If you get it on the news, even in a local paper, then maybe No matters let's start again... *** click *** On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:34:41 +0200, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2004, Ira Abramov wrote about BLUE MURDER!: 16:15:50 up 2 min, 1 user, load average: 0.72, 0.48, 0.18 sigh... Retaliate by playing a game of xbill :-) -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Nov 28 2004, 15 Kislev 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if http://nadav.harel.org.il |a woodchuck would chuck wood? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Electronic elections
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Hi Please quote only relevant parts, BTW. On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:54:19AM +0200, Honen, Oren wrote: On Wednesday, November 17, 2004 4:56 PM, Evgeny Pinchuk wrote: Even an eye?! What are you gonna do, poke someone's eye out? :P ( this is an implicit YES ) Please read Angels and Daemons by Dan Brown ( Author of the The Da Vinci Code ) You should generally avoid referencing Dan Brown as an authorotive source. This guy is known for his bad research work. Facts from his books should be taken with more than a grain of salt. If he wrote that it works that still does not mean it works. the particular bit referenced has been done before in some pseudo-futuristic action film. Pseudo futuristic in the sense that the guns causing lots of destruction also have flashing lights. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Theoretical Israeli Tie
Omer Zak wrote: On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 00:13, William Sherwin wrote: So, please tell me, though this is off-topic: if elections were to be held in Israel in which two parties split the vote evenly - 60 Knesset seats for each - and the sides were unwilling to cooperate, how would the government be determined? May that scenario never happen... In USA, most of the electors are bound not to change their votes. In Israel, there is rich tradition of Calentarism. This included a political party, all of whose MPs were Calentars except for the founder (Raful Eitan). So if a tie ever happened, then a MP would desert his party by declaring neutrality, which in effect means his support for the opposite party. Other MPs would threaten but persuaded not to carry out their threats to desert their party. The net result is that the balances would tip in favor of one side. This is not a good analogy at all. In the USA, Electors are elected for the sole purpose of going to the Electoral College, convening once, and casting their vote for the President and Vice-President. The Electoral College has not effect on anything that happens during the President's term. There are cases where the decision would be handed over to Congress, but again, this is a one time decision. Once a President is elected Congress cannot replace the President, and has no effect on the makeup of the President's cabinet, except in extreme cases. The Israeli system is a parliamentary system where the government needs the parlimanet's support continously, or at least, it needs to make sure the opposition does not gain a majority. There is basis for comparison, and certainly not between the Knesset and the Electoral College. So, please tell me, though this is off-topic: if elections were to be held in Israel in which two parties split the vote evenly - 60 Knesset seats for each - and the sides were unwilling to cooperate, how would the government be determined? First, I don't think we'll ever change to a two party system The process of setting up the coalition in the first place is that following the elections representatives of all parties with elected MKs go to the President (in Israel, a titular head of state) and tell him which MK(usually the head of one of the big parties) gets their support as Prime Minister, the President then gives that MK the job of trying to setup a coalition. If the first MK to get the assignment fails, then the President needs to hand the assignment over to another MK. In the 80s there was one case where the MK support in that first stage split evenly. The then President decided to give the mandate to form a coalition government to the side whose 60 MKs represented more individual votes. This was a judgement call that would have no effect on the actual support any such coalition would get eventually inthe Knesset. IIRC that was in 84, and they eventually formed the rotation unity govt. So if a tie ever happened, then a MP would desert his party by declaring neutrality, which in effect means his support for the opposite party. Other MPs would threaten but persuaded not to carry out their threats to desert their party. The net result is that the balances would tip in favor of one side. Under the current law this wouldn't work. You actually need the 61 MK majority. Additionaly, you need a 61 majority for a non-confidence vote to be successful, and an alternative candidate for MP who has the support of 61 MK. If such an impasse occured, either eventually someone would budge, and in a multi-party system this would happen, or they would agree on the one thing they can agree to - new elections. If a new Knesset can't form a govt within a certain amount of time, they're required to disperse and have new elections. --- Omer -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOB OFFER] Computers + Physics and/or Math Hacker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eli Kara wrote: Working alongside scientists, helping them implement the scientific equations while not neglecting quality, portability, readability, modularity, maintainability, efficiency - all those things Physicists tend to neglect. As a physicist AND a programmer, I protest! :p As a programmer who wrote for researchers (physicists as well as chemists, biologists and even CS researchers) in similar academic settings I actually concur with Orna's statement. :) --Amos It's no big deal. It's just their tendency to increased entropy. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: focus site in Linux browser?
Stiven Andre wrote: Hi list. Anyone knows why http://focus.msn.co.il/ doesn't work in any Linux browser? Should I install something to make it work or it's just incompatible :-(? Regards Stiven. An included javascript file for the main page starts with: var xmlDoc = new ActiveXObject(Msxml2.DOMDocument); and if it fails it has an alert saying that an accompanaying file was not loaded. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: osCommerce hebrew translation
There's this on the oscommerce site: http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions,1052/category,7/search,hebrew Amir Hardon wrote: On Sunday 26 September 2004 01:10, Yitzhak Bar Geva wrote: Any updates on OsCommerce in Hebrew? I saw a reference to Zencart, but when I checked their site, there was no mention of Hebrew? What are the recommended Open Source Commerce solutions? Yitzhak Bar Geva [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a company that translated osCommerce to Hebrew and offer others to use it for money(They don't say it's osCommerce), I just can't remember their name, I will try to find them and update you. They have one client which is a book store that sails very un-famous books and I also forgot their name (Maybe someone knows it). I remember the case because I had some thoughts whether what they are doing is legal or not. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reviving and old program to Open-Source
ik wrote: But exactly this advantage is also a disadvantage: Qtext was already beaten once by Microsoft. Maybe this had something to do with it being not as good as Microsoft Word? Remember that when Microsoft announced Word in Hebrew it did not yet have a monopoly. Microsoft Word was simply better than the alternatives that people used then (like Einstein, Qtext, and Dagesh). QText had one of the best Bi-Directional algorithm in MS-Windows version without even use Unicode !!! I actually tried that word processor for a short while, and this is entirely contrary to my experience. At the time I had experience with several word processors, on both Dos and Windows, and Qtext for windows was the only one I found completely unmanageable. I'm pretty sure no program beats the choice of the Dagesh 2.0 sample documents. One of them was a valtam form :) The reason that QText lost the battle started when the Education department sign a contract with Microsoft instead of Dvir. While Dvir software did not mind that personal home copy it's software, it demanded money from firm and big places that uses it, and it was pretty expensive, but I think there aren't any other Word-Processor that does what QText did back then. QText gave a formating text for an image in a manner that you still do not see on any other Word-Processors (an alpha/invisible margin was considered as a break for the text as well so you could make a shape using text breaking by the appearance of the text instead of a rectangle box. And that was just the biggest features I remember at this moment... Try going to the English version of OpenOffice and make an Hebrew numbering (I didn't test the Hebrew version for this), and you will see that its impossible. Try Joining multi-lingual rules, and you will find a lot of problems. OpenOffice is a monster that shoots on every direction in order to make itself compatible and alternative for MS products, but while doing so many basic things are overlooked. Cheers, Ido -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: [ISRAEMPLOY] JOBOPPS + UNIX SYS-ADMIN-freelancer (fwd)
do not reply to me. REply to the address below -- Thanks, Uri - Forwarded message from mickael4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:19:23 - From: mickael4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: mickael4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ISRAEMPLOY] JOBOPPS + UNIX SYS-ADMIN-freelancer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, the company I m working for is looking for a UNIX system administrator for few projects as freelance (with receipts- cheshboniot). only UNIX sysadmin with at least two years experience may send resume, good knowledge in security will be a plus. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[fwd] [ISRAEMPLOY] JOBOPPS + CENTER + UNIX INFRASTUCTURE TEAM LEADER
[don't reply to me] Please send CV in Hebrew to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Position available for UNIX INFRASTRUCTURE TEAM LEADER. Must have experience in managing at least 5 people for at least 2 years. Must have 3 years practical experience with SUN SOLARIS. Must have 2 years experience in managing infrastructure projects. Must have work experience with large DB. Must have knowledge of additional UNIX and LINUX Must have academic computer background or be a MAMRAM graduate. Must be ready to work long and unconventional hours. Must have good interpersonal skills and be service-oriented. Must have security clearance. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mysql hebrew
Once in phpMyAdmin, set the encoding to one of the Hebrew encodings, and then defining the table. On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Alon Weinstein wrote: Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:40:40PM +0200, Aaron wrote: Hi all, I am creating a mysql database which needs to have fields in hebrew and other in english. This means that the text will be in hebrew. when I type hebrew in a field I get an error and I see this: *Error* SQL-query : ALTER TABLE `city` ADD `name_heb` ENUM( , '#1505;#1500;#1488;#1493;#1493;#1497;#1496;#1488;', '#1504;#1497;#1511;#1488;#1500;#1488;#1497;#1506;#1493;#1493;', '#1508;#1488;#1492;#1488;#1512;' ) BINARY DEFAULT '#1504;#1497;#1511;#1488;#1500;#1488;#1497;#1506;#1493;#1493;' NOT NULL AFTER `name` Where do i tell Mysql to use hebrew? And what encoding should I use? Is there a way to do this throught php-mysql? I know nothing about mysql, but I installed RT (which uses mysql, and utf-8), and its tables show just fine under phpmyadmin when selecting utf-8 in the browser. Also doing in mysql 'select ... into outfile' creates clean utf-8. do man mysqld and look for the charset settings. The mysql manual also addresses this issues. I think that in mysql 4.x you can also define charset per table, but I'm not sure. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: What's wrong with this code?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Monday 17 November 2003 08:41, Tal, Shachar wrote: It makes it harder, as diffs are examined (by a single person or two people) before introducing code to the main branch. It's possible to obfuscate a backdoor, of course, but harder than when no one is watching. Or to put it shorty: Bad closed source company: no one watches the code. Good closed source comapny: one or two person watches the code. Open Source: ~10k of the world best programmer watch the code. I get the impression that in practice the number of people who actually watch any given piece of open source code is significantly smaller, and, ufortunately, the number of people who use any given piece of code without ever taking a look is big - some of them reason that it must be good because of said ~10k. Take your pick.. :-) Best tool for the job. Some of them are open source, some are not. Gilad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [hackers-il] Ongoing Translation of ESR's Homesteading the Noosphere
I may have missed the beginning of this, where was the translation posted? Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: Shlomi Fish wrote on 2003-08-07: I'll appreciate any help in either translating or proof-reading the translation. E-mail me if you volunteer. I've read what you have so far. - The translation should link to the English original. OK. - I seeyou abandoned the orginal title; the noosphere concept is quite central to the rest of the article -- but I can't find any translation retaining it that is nearly as catchy as your title... I did not purposely abandon the title. I believed noosphere would translate into Hebrew as Shmama. How would you translate it? Sfar? Eretz Lo-Meyusheveth? - Typo: about the middle, Im HaPragmati Shone Mashehu, -- s/Shone/Sone/ (s/heh/aleph/, funny how it moves to a different letter in the transcription). Fixed. - The naive translation of fork as Mazleg sounds strange.I guess the English term has roots in unix fork() calls, but even before that, in English a tree, road or river can fork, which is not the case in Hebrew. Oxford English-Hebrew dictionary translates the noun fork as Mis'af and the verb as Lehista'ef. There is no non-reflexive form for he forked the project, this seems to be a jargon extension. Lesa'ef is one obvious suggestion but a Hebrew-Russian dictionary gives to cut branches from a tree as one of its meaning which is directly opposite to what we want to say. Se'ef is hardly used as to cut branches from a tree. At least I never heard of it used this way. OTOH, it does has a meaning of dividing into sections which is what we want. So, I'm going to use it. I'd go for Lefatzel or Lefaleg; a fork would be Hista'afut or Feleg. Thanks for your input. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Beni Cherniavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ There's no point in keeping an idea to yourself since there's a 10 to 1 chance that somebody already has it and will share it before you. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: politics at sourceforge hosters.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2003, Meir Michanie wrote about RE: politics at sourceforge hosters.: anybody using barak? I got to this site without a hitch. But it does seem strange. http://drip.sourceforge.net/ I got redirected to a political site: http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israel.html I can confirm the same redirection when connected via Netvision. The redirection happens after a few seconds, with a meta http-equiv=refresh tag. Does sourceforge let people run SSI or CGI as the content of their homepage?? I'm not gettingany redirection. Been looking at drip for a few minutes now -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Israeli sites not supporting Linux browsers
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Eddie Aronovich wrote: During RMS talk the feeling of love and help to your community was one of the main issues. Abir is right - stop to hate and start to love. Is that anything like Make love - not war? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rename to GNU/Linux
and then there's The Gnu Song http://www.poppyfields.net/poppy/songs/gnu.html On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: well like the famous song about parat moshe rabenu says pashot likroa la GNU ve hi tavo myad;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew word for hacker/hack? (was: RE: Academia LeLashon / hackerjargon)
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Omer Zak wrote: Few ideas: - Tekhadshan/Tekhidush (from Khidushei-Torah; i.e. hacks were invented 2100 years ago!) I'd think older, considering that Hammurabi was the first person known to have compiled code - Targilan/Targil - Mekasem/Kesem or miksam (I was thinking of the technomags from Babylon 5) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew sugestion for hacker (was: Re: Academia LeLashon / hacker jargon )
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: hacker - TAHSHAV or TAHSHEVAN hack - TIHSHUV hacked [past] - TIHSHEV Hmm, that sounds a bit too familiar, is it taken already? tikshuv - a compound of tikshoret and mikhshuv. yet another academy word that made it. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Arik Baratz wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: Thanks for translating it for me. Does the article really refer to the system the first time as Linux? I'm afraid so. They write Linux in Hebrew, which is Lamed-Yod-Nun-Vav-Kof-Samech. They didn't add GNU. The name is written as GNU/Linux (Latin letters) pretty far down the article, in the sentence that specifies that calling the system by this name is a precondition for the interview. Project GNU on its own is mentioned in the first section (8th par.) Whenever GNU is mentioned, it's in Latin letters. I'd find it odd to it transliterated. Acronyms rarely are. Unless there's a commonly used translation for the acronym. Now that you mention it, I have never seen the combination GNU/Linux in Hebrew anywhere. A quick Hebrew google search (http://www.google.co.il) finds only 3 hits. 2 are in the www.whatsup.org.il - one is an interview with you, and one is a rant about how nobody in the IBM conference used GNU/Linux for their presentaions. The other hit is in a site called www.pcmaster.co.il and it looks like a GNU/Linux primer. And they put the GNU after the Linux, so it looks like Linux/GNU. Have a safe and easy flight! Take care, -- Arik -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
terminology Q
Hi, What term would you use for proprietary system in Hebrew? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: article in nana
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote: But at least, the Gnu is in a good company: Another images that were attached to the article, were: RMS with a flute (halilit) That's a recorder, not a flute. flute is 'halil' (aka halil-tzad because of the way it is held) his autograph (hatima) his personal ad (looking for a love) a logo of sex, drugs and penguin (another type of love) Tux Ben-Gurion (not the airport, but the ex-prime-minister) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=247510contrassID=2subContrassID=13sbSubContrassID=0 I couldn't find it in the English version of haaretz On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: 1. http://www.haaretz.co.il. 2. Click near the upper left most corner for the English edition. 2. At the upper selection boxes choose the print edition. 3. At the left most column, possibly at the bottom of the screen (not the page) there is a box to Select Day for Previous Editions. According to the list archive the article was published on Jan 3. 4. According to the list archive the article was published in the Friday Magazine. What I was able to get is a page with the headers, some commercials and a magazine title. Nothing more. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote: Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be. So someone who chooses MS is deprived of elementary independent thinking, and someone who chooses linux is an independent thinker, just like all the geeks. Wrongthinking is punishable ...? MS-Word nicknamed MS-Unword? That not what he said, come on.. he said that people who use ms cause they don't know of any alternatives Which may be true for some people. However, the general sentiment I'm getting list is that this is the only reason to choose MS for any task. Lots of tech writers use FrameMaker rather than Office. Are they independent thinkers because they chose a non-ms product, or deprived drones because they're running it on Windows? and cause they are not capble later in their life to chose something else cause of lack of knowladge are deprived of independent thinking. someone who chose ms over linux is plain stupid;))j/k:) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
STAROFFICE FREE TO DANISH STUDENTS AND TEACHERS
http://listserv.educause.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0301L=edupageD=1T=0P=74 STAROFFICE FREE TO DANISH STUDENTS AND TEACHERS Sun Microsystems has added Denmark to the list of countries in which its StarOffice software package will be made available free for students. Deals had already been announced between the software company and the ministries of education in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Chile. The new deal between Sun Microsystems Denmark and Denmark's ministry of education is worth an estimated $27.4 million. Sun said it hopes to reach similar deals in France, Germany, and Sweden, as well as in some countries in Africa. A spokesman for Sun Microsystems Denmark said that students and teachers in Denmark will be allowed to use StarOffice 6.0 at school and at home and that there are no limitations regarding copying the program. Associated Press, 2 January 2003 (registration req'd) http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/699138p-5172231c.html -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such programs, that is. And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some cases. I really don't understand where that comes from? Again there are many schools which doesn't use systems which have hebrew in them, some of them even do it on purpose for kids to learn english, some doesn't bother, all the kid need to know is pressing few buttons to get office or some explorer up. That's part of the problem. A long time ago I saw an elementary school that used Logo (Turtle graphics) and thought that all the kid need[s] to know is pressons [a] few buttons I don't think these kids ever learned what kaf-sofit has to do with a left turn. Teaching to press those few buttons by rote is bad because it disassociates the action from the meaning. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
Seems like you're advocating the round about route first. Lobbying an MK to put some weight can never the first stage of any process. It's something that should be done only after regular channels fail. On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: I think that if there is a time to push matach on porting things to linux it's now, maybe we should originize and approch haching like eitan or nachama ronen, and ask them, 1)make matach allowing the port of programs to linux, 2)release their rav pealim word list (remember they wanted to pay ibm to add hebrew support to open office). does anyhow got more ideas on who to approch and what points we might raise? and someone which is good enough with official things to make it sound good?;) should we sigh an atzuma?I think we can get quite a bit support around. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: This friend of mine, on the other hand, can now do absolutely nothing with his knowledge of Turbo Pascal This is a claim I find odd. Most of programming is not about learning the syntax of a specific language. and DOS, and yelling But these were the most common software when I studied! will not help him one iota. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Edu in linux
On 2 Jan 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of how things work. This I can relate to, and your complaint is also relevant to the scarcity of home-ec and shop classes (for both genders) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote: 1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for Windows (there was appropriate IDC report). Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments. 2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids to OS wars? Cause your kid doesn't get propar education cause the school doesn't have money for licences and uses old version of windows, cause learning windows after you know linux is half the time of doing the other way around, What's that statement based on? If it's based on a sample of friends, or linux users, then you should consider that you'd expect to find a higer percentage of geeks among lunix users. Learning a second OS for a geek would be simpler. That may create that above impression. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: Cause what he would use outside in the world has nothing to do with the things he uses at school in school he learns browesing/office he DOESNT learn how to use windows. browsing and office are the most common uses for windows for non-developers (most people). -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote: Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be. So someone who chooses MS is deprived of elementary independent thinking, and someone who chooses linux is an independent thinker, just like all the geeks. Wrongthinking is punishable ...? MS-Word nicknamed MS-Unword? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote: I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their schoolwork. How is that different than requiring students to buy a certain textbook? (In Haifa we rarely did that. Most textbooks were loaned to us, but I believe in most of the country high school students are still required to buy them, and sometimes they are required to buy a specific edition) Also, we should reduce public spending on non-open software development - CET should be producing open software that could then be ported by the community (maybe using winelib). Alon -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: Imagine a country where not only can schools use free software, but kids are actually free to use the same software at home without draining the family's budget. This is not only essential to sick kids, but also useful for parents who cannot afford private tutors, and for kids who want to learn at a slightly different pace or to reenforce the learning they'd done in class. And let's imagine a little further and imagine that they are free to choose to use that same software on the same OS their parents run MS-Word on. After all, as has been repeated here often, it's really about choice. Just like John Lennon, I don't think that every sentence beginning with Imagine is necessarily impossible... And don't even get me started on Matach's spellchecker, rav-milim ;) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
English: http://www.cet.co.il Hebrew: http://www.cet.ac.il On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: someone knows matach's homepage? i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason.. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, mnna4 wrote: From my kids' experience ( 12 + 16 ), technical issues are about office products (Heb OO will do fine here) and the rest of the activity is web search (Meida'anut whatever that means in English) and remote learning. As a linux layman , I can vouch for Mandrake or RH (DONT flame) as more than adequate. My kids are doing just fine with it at home, especially after I installed phpbb :) As once a PTA member, I can tell you that upgrades , hw and sw, are major setbacks and any help will be welcome. The main issue is that MOE (Ministry of Education) through MATAH, provides binding M$ software used in the curriculum. I wonder if they can be forced to provide software on other platforms. - Original Message - From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ILUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Edu in linux On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife is in a masters program at Touro College and Beit Morasha where the homework assignments are distributed in Word and the homework must be submitted in Word. I suggest that you actually go try to talk to these people about Linux and see what happens. What happens if one does not have money to buy Word Windows licenses, especially if one needs more then one computer (10 kids...)? I assume of course that most if not all the software copied actually used are illegal, but I'm pretty sure the question crossed your mind and wondered if you asked it? Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com Q: What do you do if your Linux box goes down? A: Sit around in the dark until the power comes back on = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Guy Baruch wrote about OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client: Hello, just a good story for a change, hope it's not too OT. Bank Leumi just recently did a face-lift to their Leumi-Ba-Internet site. Interesting to see you think it is a *good* story... After their site working well for a long time, I suddenly noticed a couple of days ago that I can no longer use it with Mozilla. They had a feedback link which I tried to use to complain, but that did not work too! So what do we have here: 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; What makes you think this typical Israeli? Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Uri Bruck wrote about Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client: 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; What makes you think this typical Israeli? Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? I'm not talking about back accounts, I'm talking about web sites. I'm talking about web sites too. Ever stopped and think why you can't do anything on Orange's site without Flash? Why HaifaU's site cannot be used (at least when I checked a year ago) without a browser that supports tons of IE-specific stuff? If you ever looked at the evolution of my sendsms code, you'd have noticed how the the SMS-sending sites become more complicated as the time passes, without actually getting more features in the process. At the same time look at Amazon. Look at Google. Look at CNN. At Yahoo. All these sites try (don't always succeed, but at least try) to use the *minimal* number of crazy non-standard features of their page. This has a lot of benefits: smaller pages, can be viewed (or listened to) by more people with more types of hardware and software, etc. And it doesn't make the pages ugly. So you believe that all those people writing books and articles about accessibility, compatibility and style, all of their bad experiences are from Israeli sites. Yeah, right. Israelies didn't the schisms in browser world. On one of the translators lists I read (one where nothing is off-topic) I've seen similar complaints about sites in other countries that are supposed to provide services. Just to pull one out of my sleeve, while writing this email I googled and found this interview: http://www.webbuilderconferences.com/interview_holzschlag.asp where he says, among other things: If you have one of today's browsers, it can read and interpret most of that HTML without a problem. But other types of agents have difficulty interpreting it. There's also the issue of accessability: the problems for folks with disabilities because of the overbearing use of nonstandard markup I doubt he uses any of the Israeli sites you complain about. I attribute what is happening to most Israeli websites to the dawinim attitude of Israeli web-builders and companies. They think that if their site doesn't use *ALL* the *LATEST* advances in web technology - flash, java, movies, music, javascript, etc. - then they were swindled out of their money. This is absolutely wrong, however. It is wrong, but there is nothing particularly Israeli about this attitude. In fact, I think it's a complete farce that these companies (and some people on this list) say that it would cost them more money to support Linux. Ah? It will cost them *less* money if they stopped using all these crazy non-standard features that don't add anything for the users. This is a completely different discussion. I happen to agree with you on this particular point. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question about Opensource
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On 23 Dec 2002, Meir Michanie wrote: I remember visiting the GNU site and getting lost there. I was searching for the guide: how to register a program as opensource GPL license. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer GPL is a license: it details what right exactly other people have with a code (or whatever). But before you can license it to anybody, you have to establish the fact that it is yours to give/control: you have to state clearly that you are the copyrights owner. (The hebrew term: Zchuyot Yotsrim, creators rights, is actually a better name) Copyright can be bought, sold, given away. The person who owns the copyright is not necessarily the author. Ownining the copyright does give someone the right to determine who can copy the work. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa: be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. If that isn't flamebait, I don't know what is :) Let's not feed the trolls! If you gonna start a religious war, might as well have religion somewhere in it... :) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Lashon Academy
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: why bother? Because it's the open source way of doing things. They are making their own langauge, Not true. There are many words we all use that originated with the Academy. no one follows them beside maybe IDF. why should we waste time arguing with them? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Uri Bruck wrote: On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Ira Abramov wrote: as for Cookie - the Academy claimes they went to the original definition, when cookie actually came from the cookoo bird which lays eggs in foreign nests. I saw that explanation and went looking for a source for that. There's an article on Netscape's site that said they used it first in web context, and there was no special reason for the name. Neither a cookie, the kind -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Matitiahu Allouche wrote: On 3/10/2002 Uri Bruck wrote: using html lang=he dir=rtl appears to override the charset header. It would be helpful to mention which browser led to this observation. Personally, I am not aware of this being true for any browser, Worked for Mozilla and it is certainly not conformant to the HTML standard. This document says it conforms to HTML 4 (strict): http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/dirlang.html Beside the fact that the charset header is supposed to override what may be specified within the HTML code, neither lang or dir overlap with what the charset means. Shalom (Regards), Mati Bidi Architect Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts IBM Israel Phone: +972 2 5870999 ext. 1202Fax: +972 2 5870333 Mobile: +972 52 554160 -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution (fwd) - ps
this document too: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#edef-HTML -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:15:56 +0300 (EET DST) From: Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matitiahu Allouche [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Matitiahu Allouche wrote: On 3/10/2002 Uri Bruck wrote: using html lang=he dir=rtl appears to override the charset header. It would be helpful to mention which browser led to this observation. Personally, I am not aware of this being true for any browser, Worked for Mozilla and it is certainly not conformant to the HTML standard. This document says it conforms to HTML 4 (strict): http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/dirlang.html Beside the fact that the charset header is supposed to override what may be specified within the HTML code, neither lang or dir overlap with what the charset means. Shalom (Regards), Mati Bidi Architect Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts IBM Israel Phone: +972 2 5870999 ext. 1202Fax: +972 2 5870333 Mobile: +972 52 554160 -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Reuven M. Lerner wrote: Tzafrir == Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tzafrir There are a number of incompatible ways to encode Hebrew Tzafrir (e.g: ISO-8859-8/visual, cp1255/logical and UTF-8). So Tzafrir simply saying that the language is Hebrew is not enough Tzafrir for the browser. No one is suggesting that the HTTP Content-type header should indicate a language.Rather, the Content-type header indicates a character set, and in some places an encoding as well.For example: Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8# Unicode, UTF-8 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-8 # Hebrew + English Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1255 # Heb/Eng Windows encoding A browser receiving the above headers knows not only that the content is in Hebrew and English (or in Unicode), but also what the encoding is (and thus how to display it). Naming the encoding explicitly would only be a problem on a site that uses multiple encodings.For example, if your site has some pages in UTF-8 and others in Latin-1 and still others in ISO-8859-8, then you would be in trouble.But in such a (rare) case, you can remove the default encoding and allow people to use meta tags. using html lang=he dir=rtl appears to override the charset header. Quite rare indeed. The default configuration of apache (or at least: the one that comes with Mandrake): http://www.gadot.org.il/manual/ http://www.gadot.org.il/manual/index.html.en http://www.gadot.org.il/manual/index.html.ja.jis Not to mention all sorts of sites with multi-charset content. On a site that has a single, consistent encoding, it's nice to have the server take care of such things for you, avoiding the need for meta tags. (you mean: set everything to UTF-8) Tzafrir Setting a server-wide default to a certain charset is Tzafrir certainly not a wise default. I would consider it a Tzafrir misconfiguration of RH's side. Given that this is the W3C's preferred way of doing things, it strikes me as a pretty reasonable approach, actually.The implied default of Latin-1 strikes me as pretty short-sighted in a world where a large (and growing) number of Internet users come from outside of the US. So you have my opinion about this standard, and how predictable it leaves things -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Fw: tzedaka project (fwd)
Hi, This is different than the kind of volunteering usually discussed on the list. Please don't reply to me, but directly to the email in the message. - Original Message - From: jamesoppenheim Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: tzedaka project Volunteer(s) needed. Jerusalem-based soup kitchen that feeds over 800 poor people every day is looking for someone to do very basic updating of their website (www.hazon-yeshaya.com) They can't afford to pay right now, but the rewards of helping out are great! Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are a programmer or know someone who could potentially help out. Thanks! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qtext
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote: Matitiahu Allouche [EMAIL PROTECTED] [27/09/02 13:29]: The main problem in a Bidi word processor is not how to transform logical to visual format. As Tzafrir Cohen mentioned, there are a number of libraries available for this purpose, which all generally produce the same results, the exceptions being for rather off-beat cases. The main problem is with the *interface*, mainly what should Delete, Backspace etc... perform, where the caret (or text cursor) should go after given operations, how to handle selection, to name a few important issues. Well, if you have the additional information that your character is a r2l character (even if it is a space or parentheses), this can help you decide what to do. I actually saw how both Backspace and selection work in QText, and it seems to work great. Neither of them made sense to me. Furthermore, Qtext conforms to the Win3.1 language switching convention, right-alt-shift always switches to Hebrew while left-alt-shift always switches to English, while Win9x uses both alt-shift simply as switch language, which means that the language shown on the toolbar is not necessarily the language Qtext writes in. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qtext
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote: Hi, Of course, this is an important question. I just thought that the first question is whether we have any chance of getting the source. Since you say that someone might possibly fund it, I'll try to dig some more details from the guy when I meet him (on Thursday), both about the price and the feasibility of porting. I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal. As far as I can recall, Delphi was very similar in concept to visual C++ except that it was based on Pascal instead of C. Sort of MFC-like Does the Windows version have its own Hebrew support or does it use Windows Hebrew support? For myself, I can say that if porting will turn out to be feasible, I'll be willing to take some part in it. My involvment will be limited, however, by the fact that I have no knowledge of any of the involved issues (I have some vague recollection of Pascal - another thing I did as a kid :), and also since the time I can spend on it is limited. Moshe PS You are most welcome to forward this to whoever you think appropriate. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding internet and encryption
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding internet and encryption: Yes, but they try to scare us here from small group of not highly-organized terrorists. In this context if the technology is availble it can be used, whether it is legal or not. This is one point where the terrorism reasoning is not useful. This is a good point, that for some reasons many legislators tend to miss. In the US, supporters of the second amendment, like the NRA (National Rifle Association) and ESR (Eric S. Raymond ;) see http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/) have the saying If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns!. Actually, the Second Ammendment says : A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say that everyone run around waving guns. Similarly with encryption: if encryption were outlawed, law-abiding citizens would not use it, but criminals (or terrorists) still could, if they only have the minimal amount of sophistication needed to getting hold of an encryption software that doesn't come prepackaged with your Windows. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Looking for jobs
On 2 Sep 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: IANAL, but IIRC US courts have come to a bizarre conclusion that people do not expect the same level of privacy in their electronic communications (such as email) as in their conventional communications (such as regular mail). This is one of the foundations of your employer owns all your personal email if sent from/to the office, privacy issues notwithstanding. I believe this will override Rabbi Gershom if the push comes to shove... ;-) This is a matter of who owns the resources. It's no different than posing limitations on private phone calls on the office phones, or on company time. When an employer provides an employee with an email account due to the fact that this person is an employee, then this email account is intended to be used for work, and belongs to the employer. Whether a specific employer tolerates the use of that account for non-work communications as well, depends on the specific employer and on the employer-employee relationships. Do you use your employer's snail mail address for personal correspondence? It's not a privacy issue. It's an issue of ownership of a given resource. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Looking for jobs
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: So in the U.S. your employer can legaly tap your phone, read your email, etc, in fact mine does. It's a well stated company policy. Surely you don't mean your home phone. The wage-slavery system can only go so far. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aligning Several HTML Forms in a table
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: Because I want all of them aligned. Something like: [Entry1][Button1] [Entry2][Button2] [Entry3][Button3] [Entry4][Button4] Why use XHTML ? I want the HTML to be standards-compliant. Off the top of my head I can suggest two things: 1. Placement. You'd need to define styles for that, but you should be able to define an exact placement for each element 2. Define a width in pixels for each cell. It should give you a pretty god alignment. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sorting hebrew in mysql
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: Hi, I want to sort a mysql table, but the charset in the database is Hebrew. I currently *can not* recompile mysql with Hebrew or start it with --default-character-set=hebrew. The solution i had in mind was to change the appropriate colum from varchar to either BLOB or VARCHAR BINARY. Hebrew sorting works with VARCHAR BINARY. Can this approach help? and more importantly what happens to the current data in the colum when changing its type to BLOB or VARCHAR BINARY? Thanks, Guy Cohen -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, guy keren wrote: On 17 Jul 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I actually paid a bunch of lawyers once to understand a particularly difficult employment contract. It was explained to me at length that the law (in Israel) recognizes non-competition without any explicit clauses in the contract. What the law will not uphold is a non-competition with overly broad scope or too long a duration. there was a case laetly, in a israely court (i think it was half a year or so ago), in which the court tore-down a non-competetion clause that had a 2-years limitation (which is a very common case). the case dealt with an employer of a company that gave services to other companies. this employe left the company, and started giving the same type of service (i think it was service for some software package), to some of the clients of his former company. the company went and sued. the court said the employee is allowed to give the service he does, but must reutrn the info about customers he took from the original company, back to the company. (i hope i wrote the details correctly - i don't have the article). if you want to know more details, i suggest you look this court rulling up. its a new precedence in this area, btw, and represents a change in the interpretation of the 'freedom of occupation' law in israel, relative to the norm that existed in the past. It sounds close to a precedence ruling I recall, from around the same time, that tkufat tzinun set in a contract exceeding that set by law in invalid unless the former employee is in possession of the former employer's secret information - or something along those lines. Could have been the same case. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Oron Peled wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:40:29 +0300 (EET DST) Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salk developed the vaccine for polio while working for a university. He worked for a salary. The project was a joint project of several universities, and obviously had funding. As for giving away the vaccine, Which just shows there are alternative models to fund scientific discovery. The basic division used to be: I don't know enough about medical research to state with such confidence that the same kind of models that worked a few decaeds ago are viable today. * Academy: does basic research, is funded by public (taxes) and the results are published and available to the public. In the US some academic research is funded by industry. * Industry: Implements what looks promising and fund development by reaping the results of implementation. The problem now is that every day the situation is more like: * Academy: still funded by public (taxes) and grants, but the results are sold to the Industry to get more money. * Industry: hold monopoly rights both to the implementation and to the ideas. This new model has several flaws: 1. The public pays double price. Both to keep the academic system in place and than to buy the fruits of its research. 2. More importantly, as academic institutions are striving to make more money by selling their discoveries, they behave more like RD departments of the industry. This is bad because the industry has (and should have) short term goals (to bring money in, to satisfy investors). If these criteria infiltrate the academic system (which is already happening) who will search in those long-term-and-not-so-promising directions? Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Linux: If you're not careful, you might actually learn something. -- Allen Wong -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On 15 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Somehow, somwhere, somwehn the human race (or part thereof) came up with the weird notions that ideas can be owned. The idea that ideas can be Someone already pointed out that ideas cannot be copyrighted. There is a distinction between an idea, and the implementation of an idea. Most postings in this thread seem intent on blurring this distinction. Blurring the distinction muddles the issue. somehow owned is downright stupid, even for no other reason other then that no idea stands alone on its own right. If I come up with a new idea it is based on a thousand others whehter I admit to that or not. The algorythm I invented is based on several ideas that people worked hard to think about but weren't so bloody greedy as to try to force other people to pay them a buck each time they use it. The old excuse of'ok, but what will all thos einventor eat if we can all use their ideas for free' is downright dumb in light of all the ideas that people *have* thought of and published. Genetics, Mathematics, Computers, Algorythms are all made up from ideas of other people who gave them to the world. Gilad. Ely Levy On 15 Jul 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no I don't have anything against GPL only against idea leechers. Like Linus leeched Linux from the UNIX design? Like Stallman leeched gcc from ATT labs? Like Larry Wall leeched Perl from the UNIX utilities? Like GIMP leeched from Photoshop? Like Miguel leeched midnight commander from norton commander? Yeah, those idea leechers should be killed! Hell, killing's too good them, they should be tortured, and *than* killed. If youuse someone else's idea, why, it's as though you came to his house, raped his mother and sister, killed his father, set fire to it, and then danced around the fire! Only worse! We should all just use our own ideas, and never read or see what someone else did, and if we do (*by mistake*) learn of someone else's idea we should forget it immediately. If we can't forget, we must approach that person and offer him large sums of money to sell us a license to keep the idea in our heads. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
This one's OT, but since the discussion drifted to AIDS medicine, I'd like to point out this commentary: http://www.time.com/time/2001/aidsinafrica/drugs.html On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: obviously you did not notice I replied someone. I know the difference between a drug and a software. But you must understand that if a person cannot pay you the amount you charge you should not withhold the drug from him. In case you are not aware of the fact that many profiteers usually destroy their some of their product in order to increase the worth of their drug. All these means that if you are not going to profit on something anyway, you might as well give it for zero profit and charge only production costs. They would not loose a penny if they gave the cocktail to developing courtiers or allowed them to use the drug for themselves. People who do not understand that, actually aiding these profiteers to increase the demand for their product by allowing AIDS to spread to their country! MEANING, if the idiots started working on AIDS before it got to you, they wouldn't profit on you! Also, please note that its not like they will not profit on this product if they charge less, they will just make less zeros in their bank account than they want too and return the investment a month later. (we are not talking about aspirin, this is a billion dolar a year market) * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On 15 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Oh wait... they did start their research. They did give it for free not just to third world countries but to the entire world. They did manage to stop almost completly a disease that is just as horrible and just as terrible as AIDS and the only reason you don't fear it today as you fear AIDS is because these guys research and efforts. Oh, did I mention that one of them (I think it was Salk) even tested the vaccine on himself to make sure it's safe? Salk developed the vaccine for polio while working for a university. He worked for a salary. The project was a joint project of several universities, and obviously had funding. As for giving away the vaccine, while I have no doubt that Salk would have gladly done so, it was never his to give away. I am not belittling his achievment in any way - I admire the man and his work - I'm just pointing out factual inaccuracies in the example given. btw - in his last years he also took part in AIDS research Or to put it in other words: Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? -- Bill Gates, Open Letter to Hobbyists, 1976 We do. Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Paul Vixie, Alan Cox, The Apache group, the SAMBA team, RH software, etc... In other words: Don't want to do the work without getting the right to keep other people from using it? Well and good, then don't. Just don't complain. The simple truth is that what these guys are complaining about is NOT that they can't make a living doing these things in a freedom respecting fashion, they are complaining that they can't get rich doing it like so. How very unfortunate for them. Also, these so called free market and I want to make a profit from what 'I' invent did not take their knowledge from thin air, but studied at a university or a college. And paid for that. And went to Glaxo to apply the skills they got - for hire. And it was 'they' who invented things, and not others, in part because they had invested in their education. And incidentally, the IP rights belong to their employers, who paid their salaries, who paid for the hi-tech equipment (the people who produced it also deserve getting paid, after all), who paid the rent, etc. Yes, there were quite a few financial transactions along the way to development, and yes, our society places a higher tag on the highly skilled labor involved in producing AIDS cocktails than on the low-skilled labor of growing maize in Africa or laying bricks in Russia. There is nothing inherently wrong or unjust about it. No problem. But the right for a limited monopoly of the fruit of your though (be it copyright or patent) is *NOT* a natrual right like your right to other real property like your house. It's a limited monopol granted by the state to advance the state of science and society. But if it doesn't do what it's there for, it should be gone. Or much better - returned to it's original form of a *limited time* (something like 7 years) granted to the original inventor. That is the *PERSON* who invented it, a corporation couldn't have copyrights or ptents then. Gilad. Now, let me remind ya'all that this grew really OT. ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM is a pretty big company. [W. Gates] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knesset meeting on open source
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jul 14, 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote about Re: knesset meeting on open source: On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped lots of good comments Nadav, you're preaching to the choir. Why not CC Eitan in the future, and forward him the e-mail you sent? Because I didn't know his email address You can find the email addresses of all MKs on the Knesset web site. (now I know, I saw it on your postings), and because I doubt he will listen to people like me (I will sound to him like a *cough*left wing radical!*cough*). So I preferred that other people translate what I say (if they like it) into Yes-Minister-speak. :) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mysql error
I've seen such an error once, and found no good reason for it. Eventually I dumped the table to a text file, dropped it, and recreated it from the dump. The error did not recur. Probably was a nearly corrupt file On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: The thing is, that the whole thing is dumb since the tables are very very small, i am talking about 3 tables of max 3kb. This is why i think it could be a bug. Anyway, i tried to give an index to every join but it did not change the outcome, same error. I find it strange since from basic sql implementation, when you give an index to every join equality attributes it should not use temporary space. Even if it would, that should not give me that error since it should use external merge-sort algorithms that should work with even the smallest of spaces. once again, making me suspect its some kind of a dumb bug.(it could happen since as you know, large hostings like lycos take their time before upgrading to newer versions) p.s: i have 40mb free space on that account so external merge-sort algorithm should work with np. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herouth Maoz Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: mysql error I attempted to reply earlier, but as several hours passed and it didn't come through, I am sending again. My apologies if it turns out to be a duplicate. At 17:40 +0200 on 25/5/2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: thought about it, but i can't control any of this from the lycos web interface to mysql. If you know how to do it, please add more details on how to add this temporary space to a user on mysql. Well, I am afraid this is the wrong way to go about it. If that data is going to grow, you'll need to allocate more and more space. It's at times like this that you have to do some ugly query tuning. In this instance, it would mean selecting the records, unordered, into a temporary table. Then selecting them from there, ordered. Then deleting the temporary table. If it's any comfort to you, I had the same sort of problem with Sybase at work, and the expert the company hired had recommended a similar solution. So it's not just a mySQL thing. Then again, if your data are going to stay the same size, you may keep on looking for the optimization information. How? RTFM - on my SuSE 7.3, the manual is in /usr/share/doc/packages/mysql. Note that you don't increase space per user. You change the parameters passed to the daemon. Herouth -- EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOME PAGE: http://herouth.port5.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
