Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
Air Print is a proprietary solution , which have Open specification and implementation. Recent OpenPrinting Cups support AirPrint https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/105[1] , so you could use "Air Print" even for devices that do not have Air Print for them (yes, your good old dot matrix printer should be able to do Air Print with the proper config on cups) Cups (pre fork) does not support it (I don't think it even maintained now). Cups (all versions) support driver-less printing c.f. https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting[2] On Wednesday, 27 December 2023 8:32:42 IST Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 27/12/2023 0:25, Oron Peled wrote: On a separate note, if you buy a printer in the last two years -- look for the "*AirPrint*" logo (and "*AirScan*" if it has a scanner): * These are Apple brands for "*Driverless*" printing (and scanning, respectively) * Like some other Apple technologies, these proprietary implementation has an open specification. Are you sure it's proprietary? Apple are the ones who developed CUPS, after all. [1] https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/105 [2] https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
On 27/12/2023 0:25, Oron Peled wrote: On a separate note, if you buy a printer in the last two years -- look for the "AirPrint" logo (and "AirScan" if it has a scanner): These are Apple brands for "Driverless" printing (and scanning, respectively) Like some other Apple technologies, these proprietary implementation has an open specification. Are you sure it's proprietary? Apple are the ones who developed CUPS, after all. ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
On Sunday, 24 December 2023 10:13:47 IST Shachar Shemesh wrote: > HP work on Linux using proprietary drivers. It's a mixed bag. Are you sure? * Their HPLIP[1] suite is developed by HP and are distributed as GPL-2+ * I've used several HP printers over the years, mostly with Fedora and sometimes from Debian (for different reasons, both distributions are very careful not to bundle proprietary software) * For most reasonable printers in the last years, the word "driver" actually refers to PPD file * When configuring HPLIP/CUPS, there is a huge list of available models -- here is a small part of Fedora's HPLIP package: > ... > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_8010_series.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_8020_series.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_8040_series.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_8700.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_9010_series.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_9100_series-pcl3.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_color_mfp_x585.ppd.gz > /usr/share/ppd/HP/hp-officejet_color_x555-ps.ppd.gz > ... (sometimes I had to pick a model from the same family, because I didn't have the exact model number) * Most HP (and other vendors) printers support PCL and/or Postscript/PDF (on a simple "Jetdirect" port 9100, no special driver) On a separate note, if you buy a printer in the last two years -- look for the "*AirPrint*" logo (and "*AirScan*" if it has a scanner): * These are Apple brands for "*Driverless*" printing (and scanning, respectively) * Like some other Apple technologies, these proprietary implementation has an open specification. * So if your distribution is modern (Debian-12 "bookworm", cough, cough) -- it works out of the box. * A nice bonus is that people can print directly from many Cellphone (not only iPhones, also Android) Bye, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 Reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled. -- R.P. Feynman [1] https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/hplip ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
Shlomo Solomon said on Sun, 24 Dec 2023 10:07:17 +0200 >Good question. Mainly because I've had good experience with using HP on >Linux. > >On the other hand, HP is notorious for causing problems with >non-original ink, so maybe I should look elsewhere. > >Open to suggestions for an all-in-one that works well on Linux and does >not try to force you to buy riginal ink. If you use a "mainstream" Linux like redhat, Ubuntu, Debian and Devuan, I suggest Brother, because they supply the necessary drivers and other files via .rpm or .deb. I use Void Linux, which uses the xbps packaging system, so life with my Brother all in one is much harder (but doable). SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
About cleaning the printhead - no idea how to do it, but I'll look for information. In any case, nothing to lose since the printer is 8 years old so not under warranty. About not connecting to the internet - YES - that is how I was able to use non-original ink for 8 years since the firmware was never updated. I know that firmware update on HP often blocks the use of non-HP ink. On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:35:47 +0200 borissh1...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > Before getting rid of the printer, if you are sure it's dead , try > mechanically cleaning the printhead (never use it on a device that > have warranty or can be fixed on other options ) . when you clean it > do not use hot water or solvents, this might damage the printhead, > ofc it wold kill your warranty. A cloged print head could be the > source for the failure. > > When dealing with HP , One should only use original ink (I think they > even had expiration date on them). New HP printers would outright > block non genuine ink (I think since 2021 ) . > > p.s. > > 1. Please , no matter which printer you buy , only use Offline > printers , and never connect them to the internet if you would like > you printer to avoid useless firmware updates like > https://kevin.deldycke.com/2020/11/revert-hp-printer-ban-on-third-party-ink-cartridges/ > The best option I found so far was to connect HP printers to rpi , > that way you always have a network printer (via cups) but you are > safe from automatic upgrades and security holes. > > 2. > https://www.techpowerup.com/237048/been-there-done-that-hp-new-firmware-update-locks-non-original-ink-cartridges > > On Sunday, 24 December 2023 1:16:51 IST Shlomo Solomon wrote: > > Original ink which costs more than the printer (!!!) is not an > > option. On my existing HP 8610, I used compatible ink for 8 years, > > so > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:11:22 +0200 > > אורי wrote: > > > > > If you use HP printer I strongly recommend using HP original ink, > > > which is more expensive but it's the only ink they officially > > > support. > > > > > > אורי > > > u...@speedy.net > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 12:23 AM Shlomo Solomon > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not > > > > recognize the Magenta ink. > > > > > > > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > > > > > > > 2 questions: > > > > > > > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? > > > > I know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking > > > > for first hand experience. > > > > > > > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I > > > > found ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP > > > > printers are sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Shlomo Solomon > > > > http://the-solomons.net > > > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > > > > ___ > > > > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Shlomo Solomon > > http://the-solomons.net > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > > ___ > > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > > > > > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 10:13:47 +0200 Shachar Shemesh wrote: > If you're willing to spend a little more on the printer itself, there > are printers where the ink comes in liquid form rather than > cartridges. If you're doing a lot of printing, they are considerably > cheaper to operate. thanks - I know that, but again, not an option since I do not print enough to make such a printer worthwhile -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
Hi, Before getting rid of the printer, if you are sure it's dead , try mechanically cleaning the printhead (never use it on a device that have warranty or can be fixed on other options ) . when you clean it do not use hot water or solvents, this might damage the printhead, ofc it wold kill your warranty. A cloged print head could be the source for the failure. When dealing with HP , One should only use original ink (I think they even had expiration date on them). New HP printers would outright block non genuine ink (I think since 2021 ) . p.s. 1. Please , no matter which printer you buy , only use Offline printers , and never connect them to the internet if you would like you printer to avoid useless firmware updates like https://kevin.deldycke.com/2020/11/revert-hp-printer-ban-on-third-party-ink-cartridges/ The best option I found so far was to connect HP printers to rpi , that way you always have a network printer (via cups) but you are safe from automatic upgrades and security holes. 2. https://www.techpowerup.com/237048/been-there-done-that-hp-new-firmware-update-locks-non-original-ink-cartridges On Sunday, 24 December 2023 1:16:51 IST Shlomo Solomon wrote: > Original ink which costs more than the printer (!!!) is not an option. > On my existing HP 8610, I used compatible ink for 8 years, so > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:11:22 +0200 > אורי wrote: > > > If you use HP printer I strongly recommend using HP original ink, > > which is more expensive but it's the only ink they officially support. > > > > אורי > > u...@speedy.net > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 12:23 AM Shlomo Solomon > > wrote: > > > > > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not > > > recognize the Magenta ink. > > > > > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > > > > > 2 questions: > > > > > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I > > > know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for > > > first hand experience. > > > > > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found > > > ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are > > > sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shlomo Solomon > > > http://the-solomons.net > > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > > > ___ > > > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > > > > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > ___ > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
HP work on Linux using proprietary drivers. It's a mixed bag. I've been using Canon for some years now. It works well with Linux and somewhat okay with Android. I have not tried buying non-original ink. If you're willing to spend a little more on the printer itself, there are printers where the ink comes in liquid form rather than cartridges. If you're doing a lot of printing, they are considerably cheaper to operate. On 24/12/2023 10:07, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Good question. Mainly because I've had good experience with using HP on Linux. On the other hand, HP is notorious for causing problems with non-original ink, so maybe I should look elsewhere. Open to suggestions for an all-in-one that works well on Linux and does not try to force you to buy riginal ink. On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:47:25 +0200 Shachar Shemesh wrote: If I may ask: why the fixation on HP? On 24/12/2023 0:22, Shlomo Solomon wrote: My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not recognize the Magenta ink. I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 2 questions: 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for first hand experience. 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are sometimes fussy about non-original ink. ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
Good question. Mainly because I've had good experience with using HP on Linux. On the other hand, HP is notorious for causing problems with non-original ink, so maybe I should look elsewhere. Open to suggestions for an all-in-one that works well on Linux and does not try to force you to buy riginal ink. On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:47:25 +0200 Shachar Shemesh wrote: > If I may ask: why the fixation on HP? > > > On 24/12/2023 0:22, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not recognize > > the Magenta ink. > > > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > > > 2 questions: > > > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I > > know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for > > first hand experience. > > > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found > > ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are > > sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
If I may ask: why the fixation on HP? On 24/12/2023 0:22, Shlomo Solomon wrote: My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not recognize the Magenta ink. I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 2 questions: 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for first hand experience. 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are sometimes fussy about non-original ink. ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
Odd. My 8610 died a couple of weeks ago with the exact same failure mode. Since my home printing needs have changed, and since HP printer's reputation has been, er, questionable lately, I've switched to a Canon Pixma G3416. Haven't gotten around to printing via Linux, though. Rony On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 12:23 AM Shlomo Solomon wrote: > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not recognize > the Magenta ink. > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > 2 questions: > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I know > that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for first hand > experience. > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found ink > on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are > sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > ___ > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > -- Ubi dubium, ibi libertas (where there is doubt, there is freedom) ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
They have a policy of printer being very cheap and ink very expensive. They sell the printer and lose money and expect to make profit on the ink. אורי u...@speedy.net On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 1:16 AM Shlomo Solomon wrote: > Original ink which costs more than the printer (!!!) is not an option. > On my existing HP 8610, I used compatible ink for 8 years, so > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:11:22 +0200 > אורי wrote: > > > If you use HP printer I strongly recommend using HP original ink, > > which is more expensive but it's the only ink they officially support. > > > > אורי > > u...@speedy.net > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 12:23 AM Shlomo Solomon > > wrote: > > > > > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not > > > recognize the Magenta ink. > > > > > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > > > > > 2 questions: > > > > > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I > > > know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for > > > first hand experience. > > > > > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found > > > ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are > > > sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shlomo Solomon > > > http://the-solomons.net > > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > > > ___ > > > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > > > > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
Original ink which costs more than the printer (!!!) is not an option. On my existing HP 8610, I used compatible ink for 8 years, so On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 01:11:22 +0200 אורי wrote: > If you use HP printer I strongly recommend using HP original ink, > which is more expensive but it's the only ink they officially support. > > אורי > u...@speedy.net > > > On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 12:23 AM Shlomo Solomon > wrote: > > > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not > > recognize the Magenta ink. > > > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > > > 2 questions: > > > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I > > know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for > > first hand experience. > > > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found > > ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are > > sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Shlomo Solomon > > http://the-solomons.net > > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > > ___ > > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > > -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
Re: HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
If you use HP printer I strongly recommend using HP original ink, which is more expensive but it's the only ink they officially support. אורי u...@speedy.net On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 12:23 AM Shlomo Solomon wrote: > My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not recognize > the Magenta ink. > > I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 > > 2 questions: > > 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I know > that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for first hand > experience. > > 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found ink > on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are > sometimes fussy about non-original ink. > > > > > > -- > Shlomo Solomon > http://the-solomons.net > Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 > ___ > Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il > ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
HP OfficeJet Pro 8023
My existing HP printer (8610) died after 8 years - does not recognize the Magenta ink. I'm looking at the HP OfficeJet Pro 8023 2 questions: 1 - Has anyone had good (or bad) experience with this on Linux? I know that HP supports this printer on Linux, but I'm looking for first hand experience. 2 - Any comments about the availability of compatible ink? I found ink on several sites, but from experience, know that HP printers are sometimes fussy about non-original ink. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Claws Mail 3.17.5 - KDE Plasma 5.18.5 - Kubuntu 20.04 ___ Linux-il mailing list -- linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il To unsubscribe send an email to linux-il-le...@cs.huji.ac.il
