Motif is now Open Source
Take a look at http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ and enjoy. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Motif is now Open Source
Take a look at http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ No it isn't. http://www.linuxprogramming.com/news/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-05-17-001-03- CD The source is avaliable only for "free software" platform, this doesn't conform to the open source definition - so it isn't open source. Besides - motif sucks. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif is now Open Source
On Wed, May 17, 2000, Chen Shapira wrote about "RE: Motif is now Open Source": Take a look at http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ No it isn't. http://www.linuxprogramming.com/news/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-05-17-001-03- CD The source is avaliable only for "free software" platform, this doesn't conform to the open source definition - so it isn't open source. It doesn't conform to the "open source" definition of opensource.org, but you can't argue that now you can get the source freely on your Linux machine - previously you couldn't. In fact, on non-free OS's you always had Motif on it because the distributers of these UNIX OSs bought motif licenses. So I don't think it's fair to judge their new license scheme. The Open Group claim that the current free-os-only license is only temporary, and that they are hoping to change it to a "real" open source one soon. Besides - motif sucks. Look, Motif has its share of problems: it's very difficult to program (with the standard Xt-like functions in C), Motif 1.2 lacked a few important widgets (but 2.1 should not, I think). It's (actually Xt's) object-orientation-like is a bit annoying. But all in all, it's not *that* bad. I've done some nice things with it, and though there are toolkits I like better (my favorite being Tcl/Tk), it deserves it's credit. There are several important applications using Motif, like DDD and Netscape (which converted to GTK only because a free motif did not exist. The free-os is a non-issue here too, because commercial os's have motif share libraries anyway). -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, May 17 2000, 12 Iyyar 5760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Cats aren't clean, they're just covered http://nadav.harel.org.il |with cat spit. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif is now Open Source
Chen Shapira wrote: Take a look at http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ No it isn't. http://www.linuxprogramming.com/news/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-05-17-001-03- CD The source is avaliable only for "free software" platform, this doesn't conform to the open source definition - so it isn't open source. Besides - motif sucks. 1. Others have commented about the incorrect links; I simply truncated the link to what I showed above and it got me there. 2. Motif may not be as easy to use an Win32 (which I have never used) or the OS/2 PM which I have used. None of these provide the networking model underlying X, and Motif as a widget set, seems no better or no morse than either of the former. I would recommend that anyone interested, should take a look at the the relevant discussion on the O'Reilly site (www.oreilly.com). I would agree that the Xlib/Xt/Motif libraries could use a bit of an API facelift at the very least to the level of C++ wrapper classes (which is not that difficult). 3. The issue of the openness of the source has been addressed in the above news story, and it is not final. Motif is however, sufficiently "open", for interested developers to consider where to go next, and application programmers like me, to find out how certain things of interest are done. 4. Whether I am right or not, the (very professional) remark, that "motif sucks" is not very helpful. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motif is now Open Source
DM http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/ Ah, I know. They decided to copy glaring success of Mozilla project. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
