Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2010-01-05 Thread sara fink
I tried to use msn messenger 8.5 on windows and it says that the network is
not supported.
So, those who don't have cellcom phone to enter the web site and send max 5
sms/day, can't do anything. I believe that only pressure will make the
change.
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:24 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found few options, but they are not linux based and I haven't tried them
 yet.
 1. msn messenger version 7 and up. msn messenger works under wine according
 to some forums.

 http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/microsoft/msn-messenger-2008-and-2009-on-linux-with-wine.htmlwhich
  requires winetricks that can be downloaded from here:
 http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks
 http://www.codeweavers.com/bin/img?id=713
 2. outlook mobile services which is fully integrated in outlook.

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 found this too http://freesms.smsix.net/

 yet, it doesn't send even to orange.

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Noam Meltzer tsn...@gmail.com wrote:

 afaik, you can't send sms to cellcom from gmail, either.

 2009/12/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com

  Hi,
 If you're using gmail, you can send SMS through there.
 Go to the labs tab in your settings, and enable Text Messaging (SMS)
 in Chat and SMS in chat gadget.
 Save it, and in your contacts you can add the people's phone number and
 send an SMS to them (up to 50 chars). If they reply to you, you'll be
 credited with 5 SMS credits (you can go up to 50).

 Thanks,
 Hetz

 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

  Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send
 to cellcom users.

 Are there any other creative solutions?

 Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has
 financial problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to
 close the service.

 Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.comwrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
  On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone
 confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this case from a
windows machine) and it said
*SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For more details see
* http://www.icq.com/sms

It worked until yesterday just fine.

I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the computer with the
vicq script.

Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or windows?
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers (from
windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm it happens
the same in linux?

Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this case from a
 windows machine) and it said
 *SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For more details
 see* http://www.icq.com/sms

 It worked until yesterday just fine.

 I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the computer with the
 vicq script.

 Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or windows?

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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi Sara,
I heard a rumor, that Cellcom contract with ICQ has ended and Cellcom didn't
renew their contract while Pelephone and Orange did. Again, it's just a
rumor I heard from someone.

I tried sending SMS using pidgin to my sister (she's a cellcom customer).
She didn't get the SMS.

Thanks,
Hetz

2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers (from
 windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm it happens
 the same in linux?

 Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this case from a
 windows machine) and it said
 *SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For more details
 see* http://www.icq.com/sms

 It worked until yesterday just fine.

 I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the computer with
 the vicq script.

 Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or windows?



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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread Guy Sheffer
Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
http://smser.sourceforge.net/
It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

Guy
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
 I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
 (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
 it happens the same in linux? 
 
 Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened? 
 
 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
 case from a windows machine) and it said 
 SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
 more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
 It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
 I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
 computer with the vicq script. 
 
 Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
 windows? 
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send to
cellcom users.

Are there any other creative solutions?

Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has financial
problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to close the
service.

Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
 On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi,
If you're using gmail, you can send SMS through there.
Go to the labs tab in your settings, and enable Text Messaging (SMS) in
Chat and SMS in chat gadget.
Save it, and in your contacts you can add the people's phone number and send
an SMS to them (up to 50 chars). If they reply to you, you'll be credited
with 5 SMS credits (you can go up to 50).

Thanks,
Hetz

2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send to
 cellcom users.

 Are there any other creative solutions?

 Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has financial
 problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to close the
 service.

 Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
 On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread Noam Meltzer
afaik, you can't send sms to cellcom from gmail, either.

2009/12/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com

 Hi,
 If you're using gmail, you can send SMS through there.
 Go to the labs tab in your settings, and enable Text Messaging (SMS) in
 Chat and SMS in chat gadget.
 Save it, and in your contacts you can add the people's phone number and
 send an SMS to them (up to 50 chars). If they reply to you, you'll be
 credited with 5 SMS credits (you can go up to 50).

 Thanks,
 Hetz

 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send to
 cellcom users.

 Are there any other creative solutions?

 Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has financial
 problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to close the
 service.

 Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
 On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
I found a web site that is supposed tos end to all networks in israel, but
it doesn't do the job.

http://smsfree4all.com/free-sms-israel.php

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 If you're using gmail, you can send SMS through there.
 Go to the labs tab in your settings, and enable Text Messaging (SMS) in
 Chat and SMS in chat gadget.
 Save it, and in your contacts you can add the people's phone number and
 send an SMS to them (up to 50 chars). If they reply to you, you'll be
 credited with 5 SMS credits (you can go up to 50).

 Thanks,
 Hetz

 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send to
 cellcom users.

 Are there any other creative solutions?

 Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has financial
 problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to close the
 service.

 Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
 On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
found this too http://freesms.smsix.net/

yet, it doesn't send even to orange.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Noam Meltzer tsn...@gmail.com wrote:

 afaik, you can't send sms to cellcom from gmail, either.

 2009/12/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com

 Hi,
 If you're using gmail, you can send SMS through there.
 Go to the labs tab in your settings, and enable Text Messaging (SMS) in
 Chat and SMS in chat gadget.
 Save it, and in your contacts you can add the people's phone number and
 send an SMS to them (up to 50 chars). If they reply to you, you'll be
 credited with 5 SMS credits (you can go up to 50).

  Thanks,
 Hetz

 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send to
 cellcom users.

 Are there any other creative solutions?

 Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has financial
 problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to close the
 service.

 Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.comwrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
 On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
I found few options, but they are not linux based and I haven't tried them
yet.
1. msn messenger version 7 and up. msn messenger works under wine according
to some forums.
http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/microsoft/msn-messenger-2008-and-2009-on-linux-with-wine.htmlwhich
requires winetricks that can be downloaded from here:
http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks
http://www.codeweavers.com/bin/img?id=713
2. outlook mobile services which is fully integrated in outlook.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:07 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 found this too http://freesms.smsix.net/

 yet, it doesn't send even to orange.

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Noam Meltzer tsn...@gmail.com wrote:

 afaik, you can't send sms to cellcom from gmail, either.

 2009/12/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com

 Hi,
 If you're using gmail, you can send SMS through there.
 Go to the labs tab in your settings, and enable Text Messaging (SMS)
 in Chat and SMS in chat gadget.
 Save it, and in your contacts you can add the people's phone number and
 send an SMS to them (up to 50 chars). If they reply to you, you'll be
 credited with 5 SMS credits (you can go up to 50).

  Thanks,
 Hetz

 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 Thanks. I use vicq from command line all the time. But, it wont send to
 cellcom users.

 Are there any other creative solutions?

 Someone told me now that since icq is part of aol, and aol has financial
 problems and probably will be closed, this might be a reason. to close the
 service.

 Is it possible to send sms via gmail to cellcom, other services?


 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Guy Sheffer guysof...@gmail.comwrote:

 Cellcom must have terminated their agreement with ICQ.
 ICQ sends SMSs only to carriers that have a contract with them.

 Cellcom used to have one. I guess they decided its not worth it.

 BTW, you might like to have a look at a program I wrote for this:
 http://smser.sourceforge.net/
 It uses centerIM to let you send SMS via ICQ on the commandline.

 Guy
 On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 15:26 +0200, sara fink wrote:
  I created a new account and tried to send again to cellcom numbers
  (from windows) and it failed with the same error. Can someone confirm
  it happens the same in linux?
 
  Can someone call cellcom and ask what happened?
 
  On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:59 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this
  case from a windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For
  more details see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the
  computer with the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or
  windows?
 
 
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread Uri Even-Chen
I read on the media that the agreement between ICQ and Cellcom has
ended today.  Cellcom decided not to allow free SMS messages from ICQ
any more, and also from Google.  Here are the articles:

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3828098,00.html
http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9293

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2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this case from a 
 windows machine) and it said
 SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For more details see 
 http://www.icq.com/sms

 It worked until yesterday just fine.

 I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the computer with the 
 vicq script.

 Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or windows?

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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread sara fink
Thanks for the links. Even on their web site it's possible to send 5 sms/day
which is much less than orange gives 20/day.

Any idea how msn messenger works to send sms? Will it work at all?

In the link of ynet someone comments to use http://2net.co.il/ for sending
sms to all networks.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote:

 I read on the media that the agreement between ICQ and Cellcom has
 ended today.  Cellcom decided not to allow free SMS messages from ICQ
 any more, and also from Google.  Here are the articles:

 http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3828098,00.html
 http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9293

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 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
 
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this case from a
 windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For more details
 see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the computer with
 the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or windows?
 
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Re: sms via icq to cellcom

2009-12-31 Thread רזיאל סקירה
hey sara
i have windows 7 and i have the same problem
i cant send messages to cellcom only orange and pelephone
i tired with windows xp too the same problem
i download TextMe its software to send Free SMS
take a look : http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3166/555fh.jpg
sorry if my english bad

2010/1/1 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com

 Thanks for the links. Even on their web site it's possible to send 5
 sms/day which is much less than orange gives 20/day.

 Any idea how msn messenger works to send sms? Will it work at all?

 In the link of ynet someone comments to use http://2net.co.il/ for sending
 sms to all networks.

 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote:

 I read on the media that the agreement between ICQ and Cellcom has
 ended today.  Cellcom decided not to allow free SMS messages from ICQ
 any more, and also from Google.  Here are the articles:

 http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3828098,00.html
 http://it.themarker.com/tmit/article/9293

 Uri Even-Chen
 Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559
 E-mail: u...@speedy.net
 Blog: http://www.speedy.net/uri/blog/



 2009/12/31 sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com
 
  I tried today to send sms to cellcom via icq (done in this case from a
 windows machine) and it said
  SMS in Israel can only be sent to Orange and Pelephone.For more details
 see http://www.icq.com/sms
 
  It worked until yesterday just fine.
 
  I haven't tried with linux yet, because I am not near the computer with
 the vicq script.
 
  Can anyone confirm if the problem persists in linux and/or windows?
 
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