Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
On Sun, Dec 12, 1999, Ely Levy wrote about "Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ": > not true we have here both emacs and vi writing and reading documants in > hebrew and even have limited printing option (soon to come our hebrew > page;) > > Ely Levy > > On Sun, 12 Dec 1999, Nadav Har'El wrote: > >... > | Right now, postscript (or pdf) files are the only portable way we have > | of seeing Hebrew documents. Of course, it's only for seeing documents, not > | editing them, but it's an important first step. Look again at what you wrote: "we have HERE both emacs and vi...". Is this what you call PORTABLE? If you send your output to some Joe running out-of- the-box Redhat distribution, do you think he'll be able to view them? Telling him to "get this-and-that software, run xterm -fn heb8x13, click M-x show-me-this-file-in-Hebrew in emacs..." is a chicken and egg problem if your document is an introduction to Linux :) So, until we have an out-of-the-box Hebrew distribution (this is what Ivrix hopes to be), if you want your documents to be viewable by *anybody*, you'll need to pick a format like Postscript or PDF that is viewable by *anybody*. Of course, it doesn't matter how you create these files: I'll use Hebrew Latex 2.09, You'll use MS-Word, or whatever, until one program is good enough to get the attention of all Hebrew writers. Of course, it's always best to have your documents in multiple formats, and let your users choose. The US DOJ keeps the (interim) judgement against MS on their site in Word-Perfect format - I wonder why not MS-Word :) -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Dec 12 1999, 4 Tevet 5760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |May you live as long as you want - and http://nadav.harel.org.il |never want as long as you live. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
not true we have here both emacs and vi writing and reading documants in hebrew and even have limited printing option (soon to come our hebrew page;) ll&p Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sun, 12 Dec 1999, Nadav Har'El wrote: | Hey guys, how about some constructive comments for a change? Have better | ideas? (I know I would have suggested using LaTeX with Hebrew). | | I have a constructive idea: someone with Microsoft Word (e.g., Moran), | please save this document as Postscript (in Windows: "print to file", using | a postscript printer). We can all view Postscript files, right? | | Right now, postscript (or pdf) files are the only portable way we have | of seeing Hebrew documents. Of course, it's only for seeing documents, not | editing them, but it's an important first step. | | On Sun, Dec 12, 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ": | > o.k. | > | > asuming I have linux and want to install hebrew, then | > | > 1. faq in doc format ? do not have microsoft word ! | > 2. faq in html in hebrew: i do not have hebrew yet ( or why do i need | > this faq if I do) | > 3. assuming i only have hebrew fonts installed, this faq is in logical | > hebrew, so I see it in the wrong direction. | > | > sorry, I couldn't read the faq so I can't comment on it. | > | > regards | > Erez. | | -- | Nadav Har'El |Sunday, Dec 12 1999, 3 Tevet 5760 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- | Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Long periods of drought are always | http://nadav.harel.org.il |followed by rain. | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
> * Hebrew support for console [list: Why is the bogus hebrew keymap from > console-tools still there? Also - is there any hebrew console font which > supports line drawing chars?] The font new.iso08.f16 in my package hebkeys.tar.gz (from http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~zivav/hebrew) includes line drawing chars. -- Matan Ziv-Av [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > [now that I see Eli's suggestion to use CAWABANGA - Ira's suggestion, not mine (though I agree). > what format do you > need as the source: logical hebrew html? Whatever: Visual, Semi-Logical, Full-Logical, Unicode, etc. You even don't have to put a meta tag (it can be guessed automatically). > Is the one produced by word OK?] No; Only open standards. But in any case, as I wrote, it's not yet there. -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
distros that can be installed on a dos partition: phatlinux, armedlinux, winlinx2000 [anyone tried Mandrake's lnx4win?]. Furthermore - there are some full-enough linux mini-distros that actually can be downloaded (size-wise) from the internet. LoopLinux (formly DosLinux) comes to mind. Any other suggestions? * As for sources of software: linuxberg has a couple of israeli mirros (see http://www.linuxberg.com). You should also mention freshmeat (http://freshmeat.net). Both are Good indices. Any others? (maybe DaveCentral, LinuxApps). * DosEMU is nice, but today users need windows emualtors. Mention wine and vmware (http://www.vmware.com - not free, though). * As for dos connectivity - mtools are worth mentioning. They would be much more intuitive for a dos user. * Are linuxcof/yast/lizard worth mentioning? some factual correction: * Linux is not only for "386,486, 586". I think you can now say that linux can run on just about any computer, including PCs and Macs, and just about any other computer type. * A full RH installation nowadays is >1GB. I believe that other distros "cost' more disk space. * I think it is preffered to mount dos parititions and such under /mnt * about setting the hardware clock - on RH you have hwclock. Does it exist on other distros? anything similar? Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Moran wrote: > hi, > i wrote hebrew general FAQ for newbies linux. > i tryed answer some of the most asked questions. > any feedback would be welcomed. > its only the begining i guess so if you have questions/corrections you think i >should add please let me know. > > currently only in word format at least till version 1.0 > > can be found at: > http://pluto.spaceports.com/~rc/linux > > > Moran Zavdi > Warp Security Response Team. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
Ira Abramov wrote: > Eli? Is CAWABANGA installable on other machines by now? what's the > status on its distribution? I consider it as "alpha", but some Hebrew sites, including leading and famous, already use it as production, even for critical jobs like e-commerce (yes, it supports SSL). Currently, I'm trying to avoid "sales", because the current stage (alpha) causes a lot of effort to be spent on each installation, so other important things (like completion of the beta version, or putting the Hebrew Netscape in my FTP server) are delayed. I hope to reach the first beta soon, but I don't promise anything. Regarding to the FAQ: I'll be happy to host it. My own web site is already powered by my stuff, and will have a major upgrade in the following days. In addition to host it, I'll open a port that you can use as a proxy to access web pages in other sites, in your preferred Hebrew method (Visual, Logical, and even without Hebrew fonts). Note: Currently I have a slow connection (128Mb FR through Aquanet). When this proxy will be up, please don't overload it; I hope to have ADSL in Q1 of 2000, and then everything will be better. In addition, my server is very weak and its disk is full (I planned to buy a real server this week, but as you could guess from my previous message, it is not a good idea, so it will be delayed by a week or two; Hopefully it will save me $100-$200, or even more). -- Eli Marmor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
err, change the date on your machine... On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Moran wrote: > i wrote hebrew general FAQ for newbies linux. > i tryed answer some of the most asked questions. > any feedback would be welcomed. > its only the begining i guess so if you have questions/corrections > you think i should add please let me know. thanks Moran for the wonderful initiative! I have yet to read the entire file but it seems like a pretty good scheme to start with. some remarks: 1. like people said, Visual Hebrew is the right target for now. try to get Qtext 8, and re-save the info in Visual 2. there are quite a few grammatic and spelling mistakes I saw, but that's for the later part of proofing. 3. from stage 1 make sure you have links betwen the index and answers, and between the answers themselves whenever useful. 4. try graphics too! use a more readable font (like David or Narkisim) and capture into GIFs as a universal version once all is done. 5. ask Eli Marmor to let you display your files through CAWABANGA on his website once it's finished, so we can all enjoy it in any encoding. Eli? Is CAWABANGA installable on other machines by now? what's the status on its distribution? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
Hey guys, how about some constructive comments for a change? Have better ideas? (I know I would have suggested using LaTeX with Hebrew). I have a constructive idea: someone with Microsoft Word (e.g., Moran), please save this document as Postscript (in Windows: "print to file", using a postscript printer). We can all view Postscript files, right? Right now, postscript (or pdf) files are the only portable way we have of seeing Hebrew documents. Of course, it's only for seeing documents, not editing them, but it's an important first step. On Sun, Dec 12, 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about "Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ": > o.k. > > asuming I have linux and want to install hebrew, then > > 1. faq in doc format ? do not have microsoft word ! > 2. faq in html in hebrew: i do not have hebrew yet ( or why do i need > this faq if I do) > 3. assuming i only have hebrew fonts installed, this faq is in logical > hebrew, so I see it in the wrong direction. > > sorry, I couldn't read the faq so I can't comment on it. > > regards > Erez. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Dec 12 1999, 3 Tevet 5760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Long periods of drought are always http://nadav.harel.org.il |followed by rain. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
o.k. asuming I have linux and want to install hebrew, then 1. faq in doc format ? do not have microsoft word ! 2. faq in html in hebrew: i do not have hebrew yet ( or why do i need this faq if I do) 3. assuming i only have hebrew fonts installed, this faq is in logical hebrew, so I see it in the wrong direction. sorry, I couldn't read the faq so I can't comment on it. regards Erez. Moran wrote: > hi,i wrote hebrew general FAQ for newbies linux.i tryed answer some > of the most asked questions.any feedback would be welcomed.its only > the begining i guess so if you have questions/corrections you think i > should add please let me know. currently only in word format at least > till version 1.0 can be found at: > http://pluto.spaceports.com/~rc/linuxMoran ZavdiWarp > Security Response Team. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
hi, i wrote hebrew general FAQ for newbies linux. i tryed answer some of the most asked questions. any feedback would be welcomed. its only the begining i guess so if you have questions/corrections you think i should add please let me know. currently only in word format at least till version 1.0 can be found at:http://pluto.spaceports.com/~rc/linux Moran Zavdi Warp Security Response Team. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wrote hebrew general FAQ
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Moran wrote: > hi, > i wrote hebrew general FAQ for newbies linux. > i tryed answer some of the most asked questions. > any feedback would be welcomed. > its only the begining i guess so if you have questions/corrections you think i >should add please let me know. > > currently only in word format at least till version 1.0 > > can be found at: > http://pluto.spaceports.com/~rc/linux > > > Moran Zavdi > Warp Security Response Team. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > A bit wierd to write a linux faq in word, aint it? Anyway, I'm sorry but that i don't have time to read it right now (too many projects lately) , but I did managed to get xemacs to use hebrew fonts (xemacs mule 21.1 on my system) with some dificulty, which might accure if you have enough fonts enstalled, and your tring to use one that also has an english version, if its relevent i'm willing to take some time and try to write down the explenation (it includes some stuff on the way the font dirs are built) if its relevent mail me. Also there was an hebrew.el file i found some time ago, which i don't know if it still exists, but I got a copy of, which still has some problems, which i can describe (I know where they are) but i can't fix (It will only display the text aligned left - not right - but enables input right to left). The problem is that it doesn't translate the period right when switching direction. If anyone is willing to try and help solve the problem (should know elisp) then i would also gladly write some explenation on using the file, and can post the fixed version. Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote hebrew general FAQ
hi, i wrote hebrew general FAQ for newbies linux. i tryed answer some of the most asked questions. any feedback would be welcomed. its only the begining i guess so if you have questions/corrections you think i should add please let me know. currently only in word format at least till version 1.0 can be found at:http://pluto.spaceports.com/~rc/linux Moran Zavdi Warp Security Response Team. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
