Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
Hi Miklos, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/12 19:13), Miklos Szeredi wrote: HAYASAKA Mitsuo writes: Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuan wrote: On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, splicing from the FD won't work. Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much smaller. I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the administrator's demand, and root can only change it. So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be not more than it. I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. "the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size." Can't we just use pipe-max-size for the limit? This is great! I'd like to change this patch to using the pipe-max-size for the upper limit of the max_pages_per_req sysfs paramter, and resubmit it. Then we'll use the minimum of pipe-max-size and max_read/max_write for sizing the requests. Another comment: do we really need to allocate each and every request with space for the pages? I don't think that makes sense. Let's leave some small number of pages inline in the request and allocate a separate array if the number of pages is too large. There may even be some utilities in the kernel to handle dynamically sized page arrays (I haven't looked but I suspect there is). This is interesting and enables to dramatically reduce the number of page allocation and free. However, it seems that it is necessary to investigate if this is feasible. Thanks, Thanks, Miklos -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
Hi Miklos, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/12 19:13), Miklos Szeredi wrote: HAYASAKA Mitsuomitsuo.hayasaka...@hitachi.com writes: Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuannamei.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, splicing from the FD won't work. Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much smaller. I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the administrator's demand, and root can only change it. So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be not more than it. I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size. Can't we just use pipe-max-size for the limit? This is great! I'd like to change this patch to using the pipe-max-size for the upper limit of the max_pages_per_req sysfs paramter, and resubmit it. Then we'll use the minimum of pipe-max-size and max_read/max_write for sizing the requests. Another comment: do we really need to allocate each and every request with space for the pages? I don't think that makes sense. Let's leave some small number of pages inline in the request and allocate a separate array if the number of pages is too large. There may even be some utilities in the kernel to handle dynamically sized page arrays (I haven't looked but I suspect there is). This is interesting and enables to dramatically reduce the number of page allocation and free. However, it seems that it is necessary to investigate if this is feasible. Thanks, Thanks, Miklos -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
HAYASAKA Mitsuo writes: > Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, > > Thank you for your comments. > > (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuan wrote: >>> On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) >>> >>> Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object >>> storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I >>> think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M >>> per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. >> >> The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, >> splicing from the FD won't work. >> >> Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can >> receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much >> smaller. >> > > I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or > /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. > > Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number > of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to > introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold > of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the > administrator's demand, and root can only change it. > > So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the > pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. > It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be > not more than it. > > I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the > document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. > > "the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. > The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) > and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size." Can't we just use pipe-max-size for the limit? Then we'll use the minimum of pipe-max-size and max_read/max_write for sizing the requests. Another comment: do we really need to allocate each and every request with space for the pages? I don't think that makes sense. Let's leave some small number of pages inline in the request and allocate a separate array if the number of pages is too large. There may even be some utilities in the kernel to handle dynamically sized page arrays (I haven't looked but I suspect there is). Thanks, Miklos -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
On 07/12/2012 01:58 PM, HAYASAKA Mitsuo wrote: > Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, > > Thank you for your comments. > > (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuan wrote: >>> On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) >>> >>> Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object >>> storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I >>> think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M >>> per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. >> >> The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, >> splicing from the FD won't work. >> >> Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can >> receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much >> smaller. >> > > I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or > /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. > > Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number > of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to > introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold > of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the > administrator's demand, and root can only change it. > > So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the > pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. > It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be > not more than it. > > I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the > document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. > > "the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. > The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) > and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size." > > This is just a plan and any comments are appreciated. This looks reasonable to me, we should try our best to maximize the upper ceiling to deal with various of kinds of demands. Thanks for your work, Mitsuo, as a user of FUSE, I'd vote +1 for your patch set. Thanks, Yuan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
On 07/12/2012 01:58 PM, HAYASAKA Mitsuo wrote: Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuannamei.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, splicing from the FD won't work. Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much smaller. I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the administrator's demand, and root can only change it. So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be not more than it. I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size. This is just a plan and any comments are appreciated. This looks reasonable to me, we should try our best to maximize the upper ceiling to deal with various of kinds of demands. Thanks for your work, Mitsuo, as a user of FUSE, I'd vote +1 for your patch set. Thanks, Yuan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
HAYASAKA Mitsuo mitsuo.hayasaka...@hitachi.com writes: Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuannamei.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, splicing from the FD won't work. Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much smaller. I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the administrator's demand, and root can only change it. So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be not more than it. I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size. Can't we just use pipe-max-size for the limit? Then we'll use the minimum of pipe-max-size and max_read/max_write for sizing the requests. Another comment: do we really need to allocate each and every request with space for the pages? I don't think that makes sense. Let's leave some small number of pages inline in the request and allocate a separate array if the number of pages is too large. There may even be some utilities in the kernel to handle dynamically sized page arrays (I haven't looked but I suspect there is). Thanks, Miklos -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuan wrote: On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, splicing from the FD won't work. Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much smaller. I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the administrator's demand, and root can only change it. So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be not more than it. I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. "the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size." This is just a plan and any comments are appreciated. Thanks, -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [fuse-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/5] fuse: make maximum read/write request size tunable
Hi Yuan and Han-Wen, Thank you for your comments. (2012/07/06 22:58), Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Liu Yuannamei.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2012 06:50 PM, Mitsuo Hayasaka wrote: One of the ways to solve this is to make them tunable. In this series, the new sysfs parameter max_pages_per_req is introduced. It limits the maximum read/write size in fuse request and it can be changed from 32 to 256 pages in current implementations. When the max_read/max_write mount option is specified, FUSE request size is set per mount. (The size is rounded-up to page size and limited up to max_pages_per_req.) Why maxim 256 pages? If we are here, we can go further: most of object storage system has object size of multiple to dozens of megabytes. So I think probably 1M is too small. Our distribution storage system has 4M per object, so I think at least maxim size could be bigger than 4M. The maximum pipe size on my system is 1M, so if you go beyond that, splicing from the FD won't work. Also, the userspace client must reserve a buffer this size so it can receive a write, which is a waste since most requests are much smaller. I checked the maximum pipe size can be changed using fcntl(2) or /proc/sys/fs/pipe-max-size. It is clear that it is not a fixed value. Also, it seems that there is a request for setting the maximum number of pages per fuse request to 4M (1024 pages). One of the reasons to introduce the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter is to set a threshold of the maximum number of pages dynamically according to the administrator's demand, and root can only change it. So, when the maximum value is required to be set to not more than the pipe-max-size, the max_pages_per_req should be changed considering it. It seems that the upper limit of this parameter does not have to be not more than it. I'm planning to limit max_pages_per_req up to 1024 pages and add the document to /Documentation/filesystems/fuse.txt, as follows. the sysfs max_pages_per_req parameter can be changed from 32 to 1024. The default is 32 pages. Generally, the pipe-max-size is 1M (256 pages) and it is better to set it to not more than the pipe-max-size. This is just a plan and any comments are appreciated. Thanks, -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
