Re: [v6 PATCH 00/21] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention

2017-03-30 Thread Ricardo Neri
On Thu, 2017-03-30 at 13:10 +0300, Stas Sergeev wrote:
> 30.03.2017 08:14, Ricardo Neri пишет:
>  But at least dosemu implements it, so probably it is needed.
> >>> Right.
> >>>
>  Of course if it is used by one of 100 DOS progs, then there
>  is an option to just add its support to dosemu2 and pretend
>  the compatibility problems did not exist. :)
> >>> Do you mean relaying the GP fault to dosemu instead of trapping it and
> >>> emulating it in the kernel?
> >> Yes, that would be optimal if this does not severely break
> >> the current setups. If we can find out that smsw is not in
> >> the real use, we can probably do exactly that.
> >> But other
> >> instructions are not in real use in v86 for sure, so I
> >> wouldn't be adding the explicit test-cases to the kernel
> >> that will make you depend on some particular behaviour
> >> that no one may need.
> >> My objection was that we shouldn't
> >> write tests before we know exactly how we want this to work.
> > OK, if only SMSW is used then I'll keep the emulation for SMSW only.
> In fact, smsw has an interesting property, which is that
> no one will ever want to disable its in-kernel emulation
> to provide its own.
> So while I'll try to estimate its usage, emulating it in kernel
> will not be that problematic in either case.

Ah good to know!

> As for protected mode, if wine only needs sgdt/sidt, then
> again, no one will want to disable its emulation. Not the
> case with sldt, but AFAICS wine doesn't need sldt, and so
> we can leave sldt without a fixups. Is my understanding
> correct?

This is my understanding as well. I could not find any use of sldt in
wine. Alexandre, would you mind confirming?

> In this case, I suppose, we are very well on a way to avoid
> the extra syscalls to toggle the emulation features.

Great! Then I will keep the emulation for sgdt, sidt, and smsw but not
for str and sldt; for both vm86 and protected mode. This seems to be the
agreement.

Thanks and BR,
Ricardo


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Re: [v6 PATCH 00/21] x86: Enable User-Mode Instruction Prevention

2017-03-30 Thread Stas Sergeev

30.03.2017 08:14, Ricardo Neri пишет:

But at least dosemu implements it, so probably it is needed.

Right.


Of course if it is used by one of 100 DOS progs, then there
is an option to just add its support to dosemu2 and pretend
the compatibility problems did not exist. :)

Do you mean relaying the GP fault to dosemu instead of trapping it and
emulating it in the kernel?

Yes, that would be optimal if this does not severely break
the current setups. If we can find out that smsw is not in
the real use, we can probably do exactly that.
But other
instructions are not in real use in v86 for sure, so I
wouldn't be adding the explicit test-cases to the kernel
that will make you depend on some particular behaviour
that no one may need.
My objection was that we shouldn't
write tests before we know exactly how we want this to work.

OK, if only SMSW is used then I'll keep the emulation for SMSW only.

In fact, smsw has an interesting property, which is that
no one will ever want to disable its in-kernel emulation
to provide its own.
So while I'll try to estimate its usage, emulating it in kernel
will not be that problematic in either case.
As for protected mode, if wine only needs sgdt/sidt, then
again, no one will want to disable its emulation. Not the
case with sldt, but AFAICS wine doesn't need sldt, and so
we can leave sldt without a fixups. Is my understanding
correct?
In this case, I suppose, we are very well on a way to avoid
the extra syscalls to toggle the emulation features.
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