Fetchmail working: sendmail next?
OK, with a lot of help from the list, I have fetchmail working, at least from a non-msn ISP. Now I need something to handle outgoing bulk mail, to a list of addressees in a file I see and hear about lots of packages: exim, sendmail, zmailer, majordomo, etc I'd be grateful to hear views about the relative merits of these and any others that it might make sense to consider David
Re: ppp working [was:fetchmail/minicom]
Wait a minute. I'm already logged in! Why should I be logging in again via fetchmail I will explore pullout out the LOGIN and PASS parameters from .fetchmailrc and see how msn responds then David Aug 6 21:39:55 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 USER MSN/davidturetsky^M Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 -ERR Permission denied this is sloppy. The pop3 server is telling you this is not a valid user. Most pop servers will wait for a password even if the user is not valid, then reject the login. Your ppp account is MSN/davidturestsy, but I bet your pop3 account is just davidturetsky. pop3 couldn't care less what kind of line or underlying protocol is used. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: ppp working
I'm even lazier, so I've just been using 'poff' Could fetchmail, etc be killing the pid when it aborts? Goodnight, Chet! David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:54 PM Subject: Re: ppp working On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote: I can't find any variant of account name that produced any successful/different result, so I am posting the question to msn, which provided the account name styling in the first place. Their policy is to reply within 24 hours Lawson, yes, I had failed to chmod 755 /etc/ppp/ppp-off. However when I cleaned that up, I got: /etc/ppp/ppp-off: kill: cat /var/run/ppp0.pid: no such pid However there is just such a file in that directory David Sure there is. The message didn't say "no such file", it said, "no such pid". I think it's dead. I bet something had already killed it with a -KILL signal, so it couldn't clean up after itself and remove its pid file. Maybe I am lazy, but if you only run 1 pppd, killall -HUP pppd works fine. this is not necessarily portable to other unices. Lawson "Good night, David." - Chet Huntley - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: installing sendmail
Yes, that is exactly what I did I've been doing this by hand since fetchmailconf assumes a graphical interface and I'm running from the command line David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:22 AM Subject: Re: installing sendmail Actually if you have fetchmail installed then you can write your own .fetchmailrc in your home directory. On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Ray Olszewski wrote: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 13:20:22 -0700 From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: installing sendmail At 01:58 PM 8/5/00 -0700, davidturetsky wrote: I too have been trying to grope my way through sendmail. Yes it was installed with my system at /usr/sbin, but there is no file .fetchmailrc or sendmail.cf I wonder if I shouldn't download a fresh copy and (re)install it Bet you're wrong. You run Debian, yes? The default mailer for Debian is exim, not sendmail. It sets up a symlink "sendmail" that points to exim (any MTA does that, because way too many applications assume that name for the system's MTA to let them do anything else). Since fetchmail is a separate application, neither exim nor genuine sendmail would create any .fetchmailrc files. Try installing fetchmail.*.deb and fetchmailconf.*.deb for this. (I assume you know how to use apt-get by now.) Instead of sendmail.cf, you want to look for /etc/exim.conf (or, easier, run /usr/sbin/eximconfig). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: installing sendmail
Yes, pretty close. I flipped-flopped about dns/nodns (currently omitted both), and don't have 'to root'. In addition to what is shown below, I have pass Here is my latest setup (from fetchmail -v): This is fetchmail release 4.6.4 Linux debian 2.2.12 #2 Thu Aug 26 11:46:26 PDT 1999 i686 unknown Taking options from command line and /root/.fetchmailrc Idfile is /root/.fetchids Fetchmail will forward misaddressed multidrop messages to postmaster. Options for retrieving from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: True name of server is pop3.email.msn.com. Protocol is POP3. Server nonresponse timeout is 300 seconds (default). Default mailbox selected. Only new messages will be retrieved (--all off). Fetched messages will be kept on the server (--keep on). Old messages will not be flushed before message retrieval (--flush off). Rewrite of server-local addresses is enabled (--norewrite off). Carriage-return stripping is disabled (stripcr off). Carriage-return forcing is disabled (forcecr off). Interpretation of Content-Transfer-Encoding is enabled (pass8bits off). MIME decoding is disabled (mimedecode off). Nonempty Status lines will be kept (dropstatus off) Messages will be SMTP-forwarded to: smtp.email.msn.com Recognized listener spam block responses are: 571 550 501 Single-drop mode: 1 local name(s) recognized. No UIDs saved from this host. David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:10 AM Subject: Re: installing sendmail So you have a file like poll isp.com protocol pop3 nodns localdomains yourhostname user username pass password to root * here On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 04:25:26 -0700 From: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: installing sendmail Yes, that is exactly what I did I've been doing this by hand since fetchmailconf assumes a graphical interface and I'm running from the command line David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:22 AM Subject: Re: installing sendmail Actually if you have fetchmail installed then you can write your own .fetchmailrc in your home directory. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: installing sendmail
Here are my settings: # .fetchmailrc David Turetsky 8.5.00 poll pop3.email.msn.com proto pop3 nodns user MSN/davidturetsky pass secret smtp smtp.email.msn.com keep I'm taking suggestions! David - Original Message - From: Richard Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 11:44 PM Subject: Re: installing sendmail Fetchmail is pretty straightforward, but here's a head start :-) # /home/*/.fetchmailrc defaults proto POP3 fetchall nokeep poll pop3.ISPserver.com user [EMAIL PROTECTED] is systemuser pass secret the first line offers options for one or more accounts; I actually check two accounts, but have listed one as an example. POP3 is the protocal, retrieve all messages (new or old) and don't keep them on the server; I used 'keep' until I got it working. On the next line, check this email server (it's the POP3 server.) On the last line I have 'user' followed by my user name, and then (because my login on my linux box) is different from my email address, I tell fetchmail 'email is user' or mail to my email address should be routed to the login name on my linux box. You could follow this with further lines like: poll pop3.anywhere.com user [EMAIL PROTECTED] is rks pass secret to poll additional mail servers. You'd then want to look into procmail :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Yes, the 1620 was a decimal machine. Word oriented. We started with machine language, then assembler, then the big move to Fortran II, then the huge 5mg hard drive which eliminated having to create object code on punched cards and resubmitting then to the linker/loader. I believe if you wanted printed output, you created that output on punched cards and brought them over to a standalone printer which printed card images It was the good old days! But not as good and not as old as what you describe! David - Original Message - From: Joe S. Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: *List Linux-Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online If memory serves me, the 1620 was a decimal machine that didn't have an arithmetic unit, add and multiply was performed by trap routines using table look-up. My first binary machine was an IBM 7094 w/ 32K of 36-bit words, 4 256/512 bpi tape drives, a 300 card/minute card reader and a 300 lpm line printer (no disk). In '64 we upgraded to dual CDC 3600s with 32K of 48-bit words each and 32K words of shared memory, 8 tape drives each, 1200 lpm printers and 1200 cpm card readers; still no disks. These were the Eastern Missle Test Range's Range Safety Instantaneous Impact Point computers and there were 2 so that the range was "Man Rated," supposedly everything had a backup. All s/w was assembly language because it took 4 u-sec to do a floating point add. I remember modifying the arithmetic sub-pack used to calculate trig functions and logs to remove all error returns; these were realtime routines and if you stopped, you knew you were wrong, if you just got a wrong answer, you might still be right on the next computation cycle 100 ms later. I didn't learn a compiler language (Fortran-77) until 1980. Joe davidturetsky wrote: Gee, what memories you bring back! I learned FORTRAN II on an IBM 1620 Model 1 (no disk drive) at NYU in the mid-60s, subsequently upgraded to a Model II with a 5meg drive. I then went on to do a lot of programming on an 1130 In 1971 I went to work for a company which made a microprogrammable replacement for the IBM 1130 which was much faster. Somehow in IBM's master plan, the 1130 had too good a price/performance ratio to improve it further since that would put it in competition with models like the 360/44 David - Original Message - From: Jim Reimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: *List Linux-Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online I was using a 1620 in 1970, and it was transistorized, not tubes. Had a 5-meg disk drive (14 inch variety, stacked platters) and punched cards. "High speed" output was to punched cards, and if you wanted something you could read, you had to run the cards through an accounting machine. The really hot computer at the time was the IBM 1130 (unless you had access to one of the 360 variants). The 1130 had assembler, FORTRAN, COBOL, and RPG. Also had the privelege (?) of using an RCA 301, which had 4k of core memory, six vacuum-column tape drives, and a 900-line/minute printer at about the same time. The only thing available on it was assembler. Sure punched a lot of cards on 026 keypunch machines back then. :-) -jdr- Renaud OLGIATI wrote: I remember working on a machine with 4 k memory; but this was a main-frame (IBM 1620) using vacum tubes; input and output by punched cards, and running Fortran II; Must have been in '68 or '69. This was the "obsolete" machine us students were allowed to play with; for serious computing, there was another mainframe, with a hard disk of, IIRC, 4 Mb capacity; memory was 96 kb, raised to 128 kb around 1970. And we were told we were priviledged, because our university had one of the most powerful computers in the education system at the time ! Cheers, Ron the Frog, getting old on the banks of the Paraguay River. Anybody else on this list old enough to remember when the "suits" didn't run things, and games/software were ported to every single platform, just because they could/it was neat? Circa '80's with names like Tandy, Atari, Amiga, etc, etc,... ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati --- - - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in th
Re: ppp working
Makes a ppp connection check man pon poff seems to be the functional equivalent of KILL-blah-blah... They both appear to break the connection with an authentic click of the modem relay David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: Re: ppp working What, exactly, does 'poff' do? I doubt fetchmail could/would kill it. Normally, you can hear when pppd dies: there will be the click of a relay as the modem puts the phone back on the hook. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
pon
The script for pon is:
/usr/sbin/ppp call ${1:-provider}
plog:
tail $* /var/log/ppp.log
poff:
#!/bin/sh
# $Id: poff,v 1.4 1998/05/26 14:46:08 phil Exp $
# Written by Phil Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED], distributed under the GNU GPL
SIG=TERM DONE=stopped;
getopts rdch FLAG
case $FLAG in
"r") SIG=HUP DONE=signalled; shift ;;
"d") SIG=USR1 DONE=signalled; shift ;;
"c") SIG=USR2 DONE=signalled; shift ;;
"h") cat !EOF!
usage: $0 [options] [provider]
options:
-rcause pppd to drop the line and redial
-dtoggles the state of pppd's debug option
-ccause pppd to renegotiate compression
-hthis help summary
!EOF!
exit 1
;;
esac
PROVIDER=$1
# Lets see how many pppds are running
set -- `cat /var/run/ppp*.pid 2/dev/null`
case $# in
0) # pppd only creates a pid file once ppp is up, so let's try killing
pppd
# on the assumption that we've not got that far yet.
kill -${SIG} `ps axw | egrep "pppd call [[:alnum:]]+" | grep -v grep |
awk '{print $1}'`
exit 0
;;
1) # If only one was running then it can be killed using the pid
kill -${SIG} $1
exit 0
;;
*) # More than one! Aieehh.. We have to use ps to figure it out.
# If no arguments were specified, then assume the 'provider' default.
PID=`ps axw | egrep "pppd call ${PROVIDER:-provider}[[:space:]]*\$" |
grep -v grep | awk '{print $1}'`
if [ $PID ]; then
kill -${SIG} ${PID}
exit 0
else
echo "I could not find a pppd process or provider
'${PROVIDER:-provider}'. None ${DONE}"
exit 1
fi
;;
esac
Here's man pon:
NAME
pon, poff, plog - startup, shutdown, or list the log of
the PPP connection.
SYNOPSIS
pon
poff
plog
DESCRIPTION
pon and poff switch the ppp connection on and off.
Progress and logged events related to the ppp connection
can be viewed using plog
REQUIREMENTS FOR the p-commands to work
/etc/ppp.chatscript
must contain the correct chatscript to connect to
your provider. All users that are supposed to be
able to use the p-commands should have read access
to this file.
/etc/ppp.options_out
contains the options for ppp to connect to your
provider. This file also must be readable by all
users who should be able to use the p-commands.
FILES
/etc/ppp.chatscript
/etc/ppp.options_out
/etc/ppp/options
/var/log/ppp.log
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets
/etc/ppp/chap-secrets
SEE ALSO
pppd(8), chat(8), and the documentation in /usr/doc/ppp
AUTHOR
The p-commands were written by Christoph Lameter clame
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: ppp working
I meant, what does it do. It is probably a 2 line shell script file you
could list with
cat $(which poff)
I don't have pon, poff, ppp-off, nor man pages for them. poff is
probably exactly kill-blah-blah, but if the blah-blah includes -KILL or
-9 the target pid will die immediately without getting a chance to
remove its pid file or lock file.
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote:
Makes a ppp connection
check man pon
poff seems to be the functional equivalent of KILL-blah-blah...
They both appear to break the connection with an authentic click of the
modem relay
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Re: fetchmail/minicom
My ppp script now goes further, but still runs into the authentication problem Here are the pppd and chat log files, with debug added The message, 'can't locate module char-major-45' in the pppd log file has been appearing for some time. I don't believe I previously reported it David [chatlogfile] Aug 6 11:24:53 debian pppd[274]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0 Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: send (ATZ^M) Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: expect (OK) Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: ATZ^M^M Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: OK Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: -- got it Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: send (ATDT410-727-0315^M) Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: expect (CONNECT) Aug 6 11:24:54 debian chat[275]: ^M Aug 6 11:25:22 debian chat[275]: ATDT410-727-0315^M^M Aug 6 11:25:22 debian chat[275]: CONNECT Aug 6 11:25:22 debian chat[275]: -- got it Aug 6 11:25:22 debian chat[275]: send (^M) Aug 6 11:25:22 debian chat[275]: expect (ogin:) Aug 6 11:25:22 debian chat[275]: 37333/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS^M Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: ^M Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: Aug 6 11:25:27 debian last message repeated 23 times Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: UQKT2 tnt2.baltimore.md.da.uu.net^M Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: ^M Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: ^M Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: Login: Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: -- got it Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: send (MSN/davidturetsky^M) Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: expect (assword:) Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: MSN/davidturetsky^M Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: Password: Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: -- got it Aug 6 11:25:27 debian chat[275]: send ([password removed]^M) Aug 6 11:25:27 debian pppd[274]: Serial connection established. Aug 6 11:25:28 debian pppd[274]: Using interface ppp0 Aug 6 11:25:28 debian pppd[274]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/modem Aug 6 11:25:28 debian pppd[274]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 auth pap magic 0x56f83bb3 pcomp accomp] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 mru 1524 asyncmap 0xa pcomp accomp 13 09 03 00 c0 7b 7e 1e 10] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 13 09 03 00 c0 7b 7e 1e 10] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [LCP ConfRej id=0x1 auth pap] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x56f83bb3 pcomp accomp] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x2 mru 1524 asyncmap 0xa pcomp accomp] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 mru 1524 asyncmap 0xa pcomp accomp] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x56f83bb3 pcomp accomp] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0x56f83bb3] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: peer refused to authenticate Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "peer refused to authenticate"] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 compress VJ 0f 01 addr 206.115.159.40] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x0] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x3] Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: Connection terminated. Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Aug 6 11:25:29 debian pppd[274]: Exit. [pppdlogfile] Aug 6 11:18:06 debian modprobe: can't locate module char-major-45 Aug 6 11:19:38 debian init: Switching to runlevel: 6 Aug 6 11:21:37 debian modprobe: can't locate module char-major-45 - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 11:11 PM Subject: Re: fetchmail/minicom Good. You've found the answer. Your chatscript reported using "davidturetsky" as userid, but the ISP expects "MSN/davidturetsky". Change the chstscript and see if pppd (however you invoke it - I don't have the backfile of your messages handy) now works correctly. At 12:18 AM 8/6/00 -0700, davidturetsky wrote: I ran minicom: ATDT410-727-0315 cr in response to CONNECT responded to login with MSN/davidturetsky (plain davidturetsky was rejected) responded to password with password Got: Entering PPP Session. IP address is 63.24.126.61 MTU is 1524 [rest deleted] -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: ppp working [was:fetchmail/minicom]
Yes, I changed to pop3 address and got past that point. Now the server has something else it doesn't like. Here's the relevant syslog: Aug 6 21:39:55 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 +OK CPIMSPOPA09.email.msn.com POP3 Server Aug 6 21:39:55 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 USER MSN/davidturetsky^M Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 -ERR Permission denied Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: Permission denied Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 PASS *^M Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 -ERR Command is not valid for this state -- valid commands are: USER APOP AUTH QUIT. Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: Command is not valid for this state -- valid commands are: USER APOP AUTH QUIT. Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: Authorization failure on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 QUIT^M Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: POP3 +OK Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: authorization error while fetching from pop3.email.msn.com Aug 6 21:39:56 debian fetchmail[914]: Authentication failed for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does not like my login? Here is the output from fetchmail --version This is fetchmail release 4.6.4 Linux debian 2.2.12 #2 Thu Aug 26 11:46:26 PDT 1999 i686 unknown Taking options from command line and /root/.fetchmailrc Idfile is /root/.fetchids Fetchmail will forward misaddressed multidrop messages to postmaster. Options for retrieving from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: True name of server is pop3.email.msn.com. Protocol is POP3. Server nonresponse timeout is 300 seconds (default). Default mailbox selected. Only new messages will be retrieved (--all off). Fetched messages will be kept on the server (--keep on). Old messages will not be flushed before message retrieval (--flush off). Rewrite of server-local addresses is enabled (--norewrite off). Carriage-return stripping is disabled (stripcr off). Carriage-return forcing is disabled (forcecr off). Interpretation of Content-Transfer-Encoding is enabled (pass8bits off). MIME decoding is disabled (mimedecode off). Nonempty Status lines will be kept (dropstatus off) Messages will be SMTP-forwarded to: smtp.email.msn.com Recognized listener spam block responses are: 571 550 501 Single-drop mode: 1 local name(s) recognized. No UIDs saved from this host. Regarding the kill command below, I was logged in as root so I don't understand why the command was rejected David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: Re: ppp working [was:fetchmail/minicom] [deleted] Don't I remember in the info from MSN you quoted the pop3 server was pop3.email.msn.com ?? I think that is exactly what it means, pop3.email.msn.com, _not_ port 110 at email.msn.com. email.msn.com is a [sub]domain. it doesn't have an IP and you can't get mail from it. The output from fetchmail -V follows: This is fetchmail release 4.6.4 Linux debian 2.2.12 #2 Thu Aug 26 11:46:26 PDT 1999 i686 unknown Taking options from command line and /root/.fetchmailrc Idfile is /root/.fetchids The script reads: kill 'cat /var/run/ppp0.pid' can the user who ran ppp-off cat /var/run/ppp0.pid? I bet that file is owned by root and not readable by other. poff terminates the connection successfully using pon (instead of my /etc/ppp/ppp-on script) also gets me a good connection I seemingly sent myself mail via sendmail, but it certainly hasn't arrived. I wrote: sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'sendmail test' . Ctl-D I assume once I 'pon' or '/etc/ppp/ppp-on' I can then rev up any application that wants to use the connection. How do I integrate the dialup into fetchmail/sendmail/exim . . . or should I? David Let's get 'em working first. You can put jobs you want to run at ppp startup in /etc/ppp/ip-up. man pppd tells what parameters it gets. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: [newbie] Linux resources online
Gee, what memories you bring back! I learned FORTRAN II on an IBM 1620 Model 1 (no disk drive) at NYU in the mid-60s, subsequently upgraded to a Model II with a 5meg drive. I then went on to do a lot of programming on an 1130 In 1971 I went to work for a company which made a microprogrammable replacement for the IBM 1130 which was much faster. Somehow in IBM's master plan, the 1130 had too good a price/performance ratio to improve it further since that would put it in competition with models like the 360/44 David - Original Message - From: Jim Reimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: *List Linux-Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux resources online I was using a 1620 in 1970, and it was transistorized, not tubes. Had a 5-meg disk drive (14 inch variety, stacked platters) and punched cards. "High speed" output was to punched cards, and if you wanted something you could read, you had to run the cards through an accounting machine. The really hot computer at the time was the IBM 1130 (unless you had access to one of the 360 variants). The 1130 had assembler, FORTRAN, COBOL, and RPG. Also had the privelege (?) of using an RCA 301, which had 4k of core memory, six vacuum-column tape drives, and a 900-line/minute printer at about the same time. The only thing available on it was assembler. Sure punched a lot of cards on 026 keypunch machines back then. :-) -jdr- Renaud OLGIATI wrote: I remember working on a machine with 4 k memory; but this was a main-frame (IBM 1620) using vacum tubes; input and output by punched cards, and running Fortran II; Must have been in '68 or '69. This was the "obsolete" machine us students were allowed to play with; for serious computing, there was another mainframe, with a hard disk of, IIRC, 4 Mb capacity; memory was 96 kb, raised to 128 kb around 1970. And we were told we were priviledged, because our university had one of the most powerful computers in the education system at the time ! Cheers, Ron the Frog, getting old on the banks of the Paraguay River. Anybody else on this list old enough to remember when the "suits" didn't run things, and games/software were ported to every single platform, just because they could/it was neat? Circa '80's with names like Tandy, Atari, Amiga, etc, etc,... ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke --- http://personales.conexion.com.py/~rolgiati --- - - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: ppp working
I can't find any variant of account name that produced any successful/different result, so I am posting the question to msn, which provided the account name styling in the first place. Their policy is to reply within 24 hours Lawson, yes, I had failed to chmod 755 /etc/ppp/ppp-off. However when I cleaned that up, I got: /etc/ppp/ppp-off: kill: cat /var/run/ppp0.pid: no such pid However there is just such a file in that directory David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: ppp working [was:fetchmail/minicom] On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote: ... this is sloppy. The pop3 server is telling you this is not a valid user. Most pop servers will wait for a password even if the user is not valid, then reject the login. Your ppp account is MSN/davidturestsy, but I bet your pop3 account is just davidturetsky. pop3 couldn't care less what kind of line or underlying protocol is used. ... Does not like my login? Sure looks that way to me. if plain davidturetsky (without MSN/) doesn't do it, maybe you should look back to the info from MSN a few letters back. once it doesn't like the user, the rest is fallout from that bomb. ... Regarding the kill command below, I was logged in as root so I don't understand why the command was rejected David Does the command itself have execute permission? Root can read, write or delete a file without permission, but it can not execute a file that has no execute permission. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
fetchmail
I just downloaded fetchmailfrom the Debian site and installed it when I run: fetchmail -v -k -p POP3 -u MSN/davidturetsky email.msn.com I get: fetchmail: 4.6.4 querying email.msn.com (protocol POP3) fetchmail: POP3 connection to email.msn.com failed: temporary name server error fetchmail: Query status=2 fetchmail: normal termination, status 2 /etc/resolv.conf has the correct nameserver entries (minicom had no problem) No dial tone was heard Appreciate any help David
Re: fetchmail
How do I set up my Linux system to autodial? I'd be happy to provide any description that would be helpful. What information would be useful As for ppp, I ran pppconfig. As I previously posted, the related scripts to test it did not reach dialtone. I have been trying to explore all this with posts to the list, trying different workarounds and buying a slew of O'Reilly texts The response to nslookup perhaps confirms the autodial issue *** can't find server name for address 204.255.246.17: No response from server *** can't find server name for address 204.255.246.18: No response from server *** Default servers are not available David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 9:16 AM Subject: Re: fetchmail minicom wouldn't have a problem with name resolution, since it never does any. As to the problem you are experiencing with fetchmail ... how does your workstation make a ppp connection to the Internet? It sounds like it is not set up to autodial, resulting in the nameserver addresses in /etc/resolv.conf being unreachable (unless you started ppp menually before doing this). If you want real advice, though, you're going to have to provide a more detailed description of your setup. At 03:19 AM 8/5/00 -0700, davidturetsky wrote: I just downloaded fetchmail from the Debian site and installed it when I run: fetchmail -v -k -p POP3 -u MSN/davidturetsky email.msn.com I get: fetchmail: 4.6.4 querying email.msn.com (protocol POP3) fetchmail: POP3 connection to email.msn.com failed: temporary name server error fetchmail: Query status=2 fetchmail: normal termination, status 2 /etc/resolv.conf has the correct nameserver entries (minicom had no problem) No dial tone was heard [html duplicate deleted] -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: fetchmail
When running 'nslookup -q=any' or 'nslookup email.msn.com', both return: *** can't find server name for address 204.255.246.17: No response from server *** can't find server name for address 204.255.246.18: No response from server *** Default servers are not available David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: Re: fetchmail What happens when you run nslookup set q=any and lookup email.msn.com do you get any answers? On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:19:22 -0700 From: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fetchmail I just downloaded fetchmail from the Debian site and installed it when I run: fetchmail -v -k -p POP3 -u MSN/davidturetsky email.msn.com I get: fetchmail: 4.6.4 querying email.msn.com (protocol POP3) fetchmail: POP3 connection to email.msn.com failed: temporary name server error fetchmail: Query status=2 fetchmail: normal termination, status 2 /etc/resolv.conf has the correct nameserver entries (minicom had no problem) No dial tone was heard Appreciate any help David Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: installing sendmail
I too have been trying to grope my way through sendmail. Yes it was installed with my system at /usr/sbin, but there is no file .fetchmailrc or sendmail.cf I wonder if I shouldn't download a fresh copy and (re)install it David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: hackenbush [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:14 AM Subject: Re: installing sendmail Sendmail comes with all linux distributions so it probably is installed. just start it with /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -q30 -om. Also make sure you have a localdomains line in your .fetchmailrc file and look at /etc/sendmail.cf and the files in /etc/mail On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Richard Adams wrote: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 07:30:08 + From: Richard Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hackenbush [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: installing sendmail On Fri, 04 Aug 2000, hackenbush wrote about, installing sendmail: I've just set up LinucPPC for the first time. I decided to use the Pine mail client. Got that configured and Fetchmail to access my ISP's mail port. But when it came to configuring sendmail to actually deliver the mail to my own Inbox I hit a brick wall. I'm not even sure if I'm just barking up the wrong tree. Do I need all three programmes running at all? When I ran just Fetchmail and Pine I got SMTP error messages when Fetchmail tried to download my mail. I guessed the missing link was Sendmail. BUT...getting Sendmail installed and running has lost me. I've read numerous manual pages and they haven't helped. Is there an easy way that I'm missing? Are you sure sendmail is not installed on the system,?? try 'whereis sendmail' or 'locate sendmail' locate will show ALL sendmail files and not just the binary. Normally speaking if the binary is installed and you have the default /etc/sendmail.conf installed then really all you need to do is simply start sendmail with; 'sendmail -bd -q 15m' If there are errors then place the errors in a mail to the list if you cannot solve them yourself. AFAIK sendmail is included in all linux distro's, check your source medium if you dont have sendmail installed. Mike - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs -- Regards Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs Noah [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: fetchmail
Thanks, Ray, for all of the feedback. I've been trying to explore all of the questions you raise. Let me respond to each (I hope) and list the scripts involved First, 'pon' gets me dialtone, dials out to my provider, and then apparently disconnects tail -f /var/log/messages gives the following: Aug 5 17:58:42 debian chat[537]: -- got it Aug 5 17:58:42 debian chat[537]: send (\d) Aug 5 17:58:43 debian pppd[536]: Serial connection established. Aug 5 17:58:44 debian pppd[536]: Using interface ppp0 Aug 5 17:58:44 debian pppd[536]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS2 Aug 5 17:58:44 debian pppd[536]: Remote message: Aug 5 17:58:45 debian pppd[536]: LCP terminated by peer Aug 5 17:58:48 debian pppd[536]: Connection terminated. Aug 5 17:58:48 debian pppd[536]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Aug 5 17:58:48 debian pppd[536]: Exit. I take it then that ppp is working, but my little ppp-on script does not produce anything I can detect, when run from root. I wonder whether this is due to the proscription in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets against providing root access to ppp When I attempt to run 'ppp-on' from david, I get 'permission denied' despite the assurances in OReilly, p548, Running Linux to the contrary that you need not be root to execute this script. After saving it, I ran chmod 755 /etc/ppp/ppp-on pppconfig place two entries in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets: #The next line was added by pppconfig for provider MSN/davidturetsky * [password] and #The next line was added by pppconfig for msn MSN/davidturetsky * [password] I have not been using apt-get. I have been downloading from Windows, copying .deb files over to Linux, and running dpkg When I attempted to run: apt-get install sendmail I got: W: couldnt stat source package list 'http://http.us.debian.org stable/main packages' ... (2 No such file or directory) I ran /usr/sbin/eximconfig with the following settings: 2 (Internet site using smarthost) Visible name: richSOB.com smarthost: msn postmaster: david replace aliases: david The other selections were defaulted When I ran exim -bm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'This is an exim test' nothing observable happened AFAIK Regarding ppp-on, this is my /etc/ppp/my-chat-script: #! /bin/sh # my chat-script: a program for dialing up ISP/MSN exec chat -v '' ATZ OK ATDT410-727-0315 CONNECT '' ogin: davidturetsky assword [password] Then I ran chmod 755 /etc/ppp/my-chat-script Here is the /etc/ppp/ppp-on script: #! /bin/sh # the ppp-on script exec /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/modem 38400 lock crtscts \ noipdefault defaultroute 0.0.0.0:0.0.0.0 connect my-chat-script then I ran chmod 755 /etc/ppp/ppp-on In /etc/resolv.conf are the entries: nameserver 204.255.246.17 nameserver 204.255.246.18 (obtained from msn) I reran pppconfig. Here are my inputs Provider Namer: provider (default... and suggested) Password Authentication Protocol Password [] Username MSN/davidturetsky (as recommended by msn) Port Config /dev/ttyS2 defaultroute noipdefault Set Speed 115200 (default) Modem Initialization: ATZ Number to dial 4107270315 ATDT tone There are no recent entries in /var/log/ppp.log. The most recent are from Aug 1 when I was not set up as ttyS2 and it read 'tcgetattr: Input/output errors(5) /etc/ppp/options reads: asyncmap 0 auth crtscts lock modem proxyarp lcp-echo-interval 30 lcp-echo-failure 4 noipx I will be back with the results of running fetchmail With apologies for the length of this post. David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: Re: fetchmail David -- First of all, let's do one thing at a time. fetchmail won't work (nor will DNS, or much of anything else Internet related)) unless you can establish a PPP coonection. In a prior message you said ... With the change to ttyS2 and irq 10 I has successful in getting dialtone and connecting to msn ... so I assumed (as did others, no doubt) that you had PPP working. SO ... 1. IF you want help with PPP, tell us your actual setup. Telling us you "ran" pppconfig doesn't give us a clue if you did it right or not. Be less terse. Let us see the script that pppconfig creates, or tell us how you answered each question it asks. 2. IF you want help with fetchmail, start your PPP connection by hand (which you said you could do), try fetchmail then, and if it doesn't work, tell us how. Include the output of "ifconfig -a" and "route -n" (all of it, not just a summary of twhat you see as important) with any such posting. But don't muddle the two problems together. At 01:52 PM 8/5/00 -0700, davidturetsky wrote: How do I set up my Linux system to autodial? I'd be happy to provide any description that would be helpful. What information would be useful As for ppp, I ran pppconfig. As I previously posted, the related scripts to test it did not reach dialtone. I have been trying to explore al
ppp connection problems-cont'd
Here is what msn provided: "MSN/IA offers support for Outlook Express, Windows 95, 98, Internet Explorer and Microsoft Outlook. Please refer to the following settings to configure any unsupported applications: Mail Servers Pop3.email.msn.com Smtp.email.msn.com News Servers Netnews.msn.com Msnnews.msn.com The mail and newsgroup program will need to support Secure Password Authentication. For connecting to Non-Windows applications like Windows NT, Macintosh, or Sega Dreamcast systems, you may require the following settings: Enter the username as MSN/username The password will be the same. DNS Servers 204.255.246.17 204.255.246.18" from which I conclude that a pap-authenticated connection is supported /etc/ppp.chatscript and /etc/ppp/chap-secrets are both empty I believe the omission of the colon following 'assword' was a typo, but I will look at the file I will also go back and check whether I have entered the mail servers fully/correctly/exactly as given David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 5:12 PM Subject: Re: fetchmail what instructions you have from your ISP about how to start PPP In one place, you describe setting pppd up to make a pap-authenticated connection. There are at least 2 other common methods: chap and userid/password. Or at least I think you are; to be sure, I'd need to see the chat messages as well as the pppd ones. Especially since the chatscript seems to be doing userid/password authentication. You want to make sure that the exchange here is accurate. I notice you expect assword, not assword: -- that might be enough of an error to cause your problems (or it may just be a typo in the email you sent here). - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: fetchmail PROGRESS
Progress to report! In looking around further, I noticed in /etc/ppp/connect-errors: sh: my-chat-script: command not found This caused me to insert the full path prefix in my /etc/ppp/ppp-on script, (O'Reilly notwithstanding) and lo and behold, running a script now produced dialtone and connected with my ISP. I am still having some problems, apparently about authentication Here is the ifconfig file: loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol unspec addr:[NONE SET] P-t-P:[NONE SET] Mask:[NONE SET] POINTOPOINT NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:7 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:8 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:10 and the chat-log: Aug 5 21:23:58 debian pppd[442]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0 Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: send (ATZ^M) Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: expect (OK) Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: ATZ^M^M Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: OK Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: -- got it Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: send (ATDT410-727-0315^M) Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: expect (CONNECT) Aug 5 21:23:59 debian chat[443]: ^M Aug 5 21:24:26 debian chat[443]: ATDT410-727-0315^M^M Aug 5 21:24:26 debian chat[443]: CONNECT Aug 5 21:24:26 debian chat[443]: -- got it Aug 5 21:24:26 debian chat[443]: send (^M) Aug 5 21:24:26 debian chat[443]: expect (ogin:) Aug 5 21:24:26 debian chat[443]: 36000/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS^M Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: ^M Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: Aug 5 21:24:32 debian last message repeated 23 times Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: UQKT2 tnt2.baltimore.md.da.uu.net^M Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: ^M Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: ^M Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: Login: Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: -- got it Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: send (davidturetsky^M) Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: expect (assword:) Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: davidturetsky^M Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: Password: Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: -- got it Aug 5 21:24:32 debian chat[443]: send ([password removed]^M) Aug 5 21:24:32 debian pppd[442]: Serial connection established. Aug 5 21:24:33 debian pppd[442]: Using interface ppp0 Aug 5 21:24:33 debian pppd[442]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/modem Aug 5 21:24:50 debian pppd[442]: peer refused to authenticate Aug 5 21:24:50 debian pppd[442]: Connection terminated. Aug 5 21:24:50 debian pppd[442]: Hangup (SIGHUP) Aug 5 21:24:50 debian pppd[442]: Exit. 'route -n' produced: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface I also created a .fetchmailrc file fetchmail --version produced This is fetchmail release 4.6.4 Linux debian 2.2.12 #2 Thu Aug 26 11:46:26 PDT 1999 i686 unknown Taking options from command line and /root/.fetchmailrc Idfile is /root/.fetchids Fetchmail will forward misaddressed multidrop messages to postmaster. Options for retrieving from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: True name of server is email.msn.com. Protocol is POP3. Server nonresponse timeout is 300 seconds (default). Default mailbox selected. Only new messages will be retrieved (--all off). Fetched messages will be kept on the server (--keep on). Old messages will not be flushed before message retrieval (--flush off). Rewrite of server-local addresses is enabled (--norewrite off). Carriage-return stripping is disabled (stripcr off). Carriage-return forcing is disabled (forcecr off). Interpretation of Content-Transfer-Encoding is enabled (pass8bits off). MIME decoding is disabled (mimedecode off). Nonempty Status lines will be kept (dropstatus off) Messages will be SMTP-forwarded to: localhost (default) Recognized listener spam block responses are: 571 550 501 Single-drop mode: 1 local name(s) recognized. No UIDs saved from this host. When I ran 'fetchmail' I got: fetchmail: POP3 connection to email.msn.com failed: temporary name server error fetchmail: Query status=2 A comparable msg appeared when I used Smtp.email.msn.com The 'assword' notation did indeed have a colon following What steps to continue to move forward? Do I need to make changes re authentication? If the settings are ok, does dialtone automatically follow? David - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: fetchmail PROGRESS
How do I go about getting this information? David It might help if you tell us *exactly* how the Windows host is set up to initiate PPP. Assuming you're using the standard TCP stack, what is in the userid field of its "properties"? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: fetchmail/minicom
I ran minicom: ATDT410-727-0315 cr in response to CONNECT responded to login with MSN/davidturetsky (plain davidturetsky was rejected) responded to password with password Got: Entering PPP Session. IP address is 63.24.126.61 MTU is 1524 somewhere in this sequence the server responded with: CONNECT 37000/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS (as best as I could jot it down before it disappeared) and UQKT2 tnt1.baltimore.md.da.uu.net So it seems that I got a good connection It then just sat there, and when I hit any key, it responded with a lot of curly braces and things and disconnected, but if I entered nothing, the connection remained David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 8:02 PM Subject: Re: fetchmail PROGRESS OK. Good report. Nice and clear. Start minicom. Use it to dial the number and enter the userid and password. After the password gets accepted, see what happens. Possibly you'll be at a shell prompt, from which you'll need to run ppp manually. Possibly it's the wrong account and you need to do a 3-step login -- MSN, then userid, then password. Possibly the password won't be accepted (maybe your userid really is MSN/davidturetsky, like the docs you quote say). Possibly it's weirder than that. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
There is no pppsetup on my system. Perhaps you mean pppconfig, which I used There is also no minicom on my system I have been trying a number of tacks and doing a fair amount of reading to move up the learning curve about various mail facilities One interesting issue: I have been trying to run /etc/ppp/ppp-on as root but I just ran across a notation in /etc/ppp/pap-secrets that lists a number of users that "cannot use PPP at all," including guest, master, root, support, stats. I assume this is for security reasons. Some script follows which I assume precludes such usage. So I logged on as david and when I tried /etc/ppp/ppp-on (which I installed under root), I got 'bash: /etc/ppp/ppp-on: Permission denied' What is the best way to proceed on this? I also tried out mail, Mail, mailx, elm and 'sent' test messages. The only problem is that the modem did not fire up and actually send them anywhere. Do I correctly infer that a separate program is required to actually send these messages from a mail spool? I also noticed when I checked 'man sendmail', I got a writeup for exim Stepping back for a minute, my larger requirement I wish to pursue is to install a facility which will do two particular things: First, to send one message to a large list of subscribers. msn enforces a limit of 64 subscribers to a message. I assumed this was enforced by Outlook Express, but presumably there may be code to enforce it at the server as well. If that is the case, reading in sendmail indicates that first the list of addressees is sent to the server and only after the server authenticates (?) each addressee does sendmail send the actual text. Am I likely up against the same limit? I assume I could always write some sort of script to send a max of 64 names from a list, then the message, and loop through such a cycle, but this sound like doing some contortions to what you would think ought to have a straightforward solution (perhaps using another provider) The other half of the task is to collect names/email addresses of people requesting subscription to a free newsletter, etc and put them in a list that can be accessed for output when a new newsletter is sent I began to wonder whether there isnt a packaged solution for this task which is in widespread use, rather than everybody putting together their own kluge (which does not appear entirely unattractive) Would appreciate any feedback David - Original Message ----- From: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp No, I just used pppconfig I'll take a look at it David - Original Message - From: Charles E. Gelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp Did you run 'pppsetup' before trying ppp-on? snip I also tried /etc/ppp/ppp-on, but this generated no dialtone. snip - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
With the change to ttyS2 and irq 10 I has successful in getting dialtone and connecting to msn This worked with: pon but not with: pon connection When I changed /etc/ppp/pap-secrets so that the default 'provider' matched what was in 'connection' (actually msn), pon completed the connection to msn until local hung up. I will work on sending actual text messages to myself Following Lawson's recommendation, I added setserial /dev/ttyS2 irq 10 to /etc/rcS.d/S40network. There seem to be many rc? files and this one seemed appropriate I also tried /etc/ppp/ppp-on, but this generated no dialtone. Here I am following the text of 'Running Linux' I need to be able to build a capability to send a single message to a potentially large list of subscribers. In windows, Outlook Express apparently enforces a limit of 64. I am thinking along the lines of using sendmail for this purpose, directing a piece of mail to a file of subscribers, which is apparently a trivial undertaking for sendmail. I have been reading O'Reilly's 'sendmail' by Costales and Allman Suggestions on any of the above would be welcome Many thanks to all David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, davidturetsky wrote: I just checked through windows, interrogating the modem: US Robotics 56K FAX INT PnP Identifier *USR3031,ISAPNP\USR3031 Port: COM3 Interrupt: 10 Addr 3E8 Linux does _not_ autoprobe serial ports for IRQ, so if this setting persists for linux you must configure the IRQ with setserial. Once you get it working it can go in a startup rcfile, typically /etc/rc.d/rc.local setserial /dev/ttyS2 irq 10 If you don't do this, the serial driver will try to use the default IRQ for ttyS2 (irq 4), and it won't work if the modem really uses irq 10 You can try setserial /dev/ttyS2 auto_irq autoconfig but it is not guaranteed to work. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
Well; I fooled with that a little in Windows (to specify PnP) and the modem didn't work at all; so since I do a lot of comm stuff in that environment; I need to preverse that Windows capability Next time I fool around with it; I'll explore this avenue for another cross-platform-compatible solution David - Original Message - From: Charles E. Gelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp Did you run 'pppsetup' before trying ppp-on? snip I also tried /etc/ppp/ppp-on, but this generated no dialtone. snip - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
No, I just used pppconfig I'll take a look at it David - Original Message - From: Charles E. Gelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp Did you run 'pppsetup' before trying ppp-on? snip I also tried /etc/ppp/ppp-on, but this generated no dialtone. snip - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
I changed the ln entry per Mike's suggestion: My chat log now reads: pppd[155]: Connect script failed The connect script reads: exec chat -v \ '' ATZ \ OK ATDT410-[provider's access tel #]\ CONNECT '' \ ogin: [my account name]\ assword: [my password] \ This is right out of the book, so I'm a bit puzzled Dave - Original Message - From: Mike Werner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp davidturetsky wrote: snipped I am using a US Robotics non-win modem which has installed itself in COM3. Accordingly, as root I entered: ln -sf /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem COM3 would be ttyS2 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
Well, I checked everything... including making sure I did not have the winmodem inadvertently installed. I also corrected the nameserver entries, although this should not prevent me from getting a dialtone The chatlog given below is accurate and only omits "pppd[484]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root uid0" and ends with "pppd[484]: Exit." I then went in and ran pppconfig (again) followed by pon This is what the chatlog showed: Aug 2 14:07:58 debian pppd[258]: pppdd 2.3.5 started by root, uid0 chat[259]: abort on (BUSY) chat[259]: abort on (NO CARRIER) chat[259]: abort on (VOICE) chat[259]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) chat[259]: abort on (NO ANSWER) chat[259]: send (ATZ^M) chat[259]: expect (OK) chat[259]: alarm pppd[258]: Connect script failed chat[259]: failed pppd[258]: Exit As I recalled, when I first installed debian last year I used pppconfig and then pon (but with the wrong nameservers) and got dialtone and some dialog before the server disconnected, but now... no dialtone, no chance for MSN to even kick me off! David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp At 02:08 AM 8/2/00 -0700, davidturetsky wrote: I changed the ln entry per Mike's suggestion: My chat log now reads: pppd[155]: Connect script failed The connect script you posted looks okay, but there is no way to tell for sure without knowing WHY it failed. Could be a hidden typo, incompatibility with what the ISP wants, modem problems, ... or something else I'm not thinking of offhand. Surely the above line is not the ONLY log entry; chatscripts will log their own results is for run chat with the appropriate flag (I think -v). Tey again, and this time be sure to get chatscript log output. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
No hardware changes whatsoever. Same version of Debian. Same modem I specified S3, then S2. All the other settings are default and follow the recommendations of pppconfig But I have a tad of a memory that it was not set to S3 ... maybe S1. I believe USRobotics has software installed under Windows that self-configures. I have not used any of the jumpers that come with the board So I will try S0 and S1 and report back David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp . . . I'll skip asking about winmodems and other questions I'd ask if the modem *never* worked under Linux. But you still need to check that you are trying to use the correct serial port (i.e., the right /dev/ttyS* entry) and a speed that the modem can run at. So ... what serial port is the modem on? did pppconfig successfully find it there, or did you tell it the port identifier? what speed did you tell pppconfig to use for the port? Is it a speed that your modem understands? have you made *any* hardware changes since the time when you "first installed debian last year"? (I'm wondering about IRQ conflicts.) are you still running the same Debian install as you had then? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: Chat/ppp
I just checked through windows, interrogating the modem: US Robotics 56K FAX INT PnP Identifier *USR3031,ISAPNP\USR3031 Port: COM3 Interrupt: 10 Addr 3E8 My impression is that under Linux, the modem is not responding at all (of course I am using it to communicate here), so I take it that I have some mismatch in the setup, etc I also had a second winmodem installed and physically removed it to avoid any potential of a conflict/confusion As per below, I changed the reference to S2 for COM3, changed the nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf (although that should not affect dialtone) I assume the settings in Windows are the same for Linux, but perhaps I should run a little experiment, trying S0 and S1 I will check out minicom David - Original Message - From: Chris Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'davidturetsky' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 1:42 PM Subject: RE: Chat/ppp David, Try using minicom, make sure you are using the correct com port, does your modem respond to An AT command? -Original Message- From: davidturetsky [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 6:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chat/ppp Well, I checked everything... including making sure I did not have the winmodem inadvertently installed. I also corrected the nameserver entries, although this should not prevent me from getting a dialtone The chatlog given below is accurate and only omits "pppd[484]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root uid0" and ends with "pppd[484]: Exit." I then went in and ran pppconfig (again) followed by pon This is what the chatlog showed: Aug 2 14:07:58 debian pppd[258]: pppdd 2.3.5 started by root, uid0 chat[259]: abort on (BUSY) chat[259]: abort on (NO CARRIER) chat[259]: abort on (VOICE) chat[259]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) chat[259]: abort on (NO ANSWER) chat[259]: send (ATZ^M) chat[259]: expect (OK) chat[259]: alarm pppd[258]: Connect script failed chat[259]: failed pppd[258]: Exit As I recalled, when I first installed debian last year I used pppconfig and then pon (but with the wrong nameservers) and got dialtone and some dialog before the server disconnected, but now... no dialtone, no chance for MSN to even kick me off! David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: davidturetsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Chat/ppp At 02:08 AM 8/2/00 -0700, davidturetsky wrote: I changed the ln entry per Mike's suggestion: My chat log now reads: pppd[155]: Connect script failed The connect script you posted looks okay, but there is no way to tell for sure without knowing WHY it failed. Could be a hidden typo, incompatibility with what the ISP wants, modem problems, ... or something else I'm not thinking of offhand. Surely the above line is not the ONLY log entry; chatscripts will log their own results is for run chat with the appropriate flag (I think -v). Tey again, and this time be sure to get chatscript log output. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Chat/ppp
I am trying to set up a dial-up ppp following chapter 15 of "Running Linux"
by Welsh, Dalheimer Kaufman
I am using a US Robotics non-win modem which has installed itself in COM3.
Accordingly, as root I entered:
ln -sf /dev/ttyS3 /dev/modem
I do not hear dialtone, nor the prompt ("Up and running) I added to
/etc/ppp/ip-up
I edited /etc/syslog.conf to create a chat-log and got the following
entries:
pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
tcgetattr: input/output error(5)
Exit.
The modem works fine under Windows both to MSN and a university server
When I run ifconfig, I get the verbage about a local connection, but nothing
about ppp0
Any help would be appreciated
David
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Re: Beginner...
I used Partition Magic 5.0 to partition my hard drive-- with Windows already installed I thought the quality of the program was very high and the approach very thoughtful. The documentation is excellent You would be prudent to first review the Linux Disk HOW-TO, particularly is you have a hard drive with a capacity of over 8GB since special considerations apply about the location of the Linux boot sector David - Original Message - From: Ray Olszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Abdul Emandien [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Beginner... At 01:12 PM 3/8/00 +0200, Abdul Emandien wrote: I would like to know what programs are available for partitioning Hard-drives with Windows already installed on it...(without losing any info on it ) The only one I can think of is something called Partition Magic. I haven't used it and I think it is not Open Source or otherwise freely distributable -- it comes with one or more of the "full-price" packages from major Linux distributors (Red Hat? I forget). I've seen many warnings that it does bad things, but, as I said, I have no personalt experience from which to judge. I would like to install Redhat 6.1 but can't seem to get past the re-partitioning part The "NEXT" button does not light up when I use Linux's fdisk... fdisk uses an ncurses display; it has no NEXT button. You'll need to explain this a bit more clearly. Any ideas also..is a 1 GB hard-drive big enough... For Linux by itself ... sure. To share with Windows ... I doubt it. I doubt 1 gig is big enough for Windows by itself. While you can fit a specialized Linux distribution in as little as 40 megs (actually, some fit on a single floppy), a general-purpose workstation these days needs at least 400 megs to install, and Red Hat's general-purpose workstation probably a bit more than that. The smallest disk I now use for workstation installs is about 1.2 gigs. "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
Re: gcc and compiling errors.
#include iostream David - Original Message - From: John Starkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: gcc and compiling errors. I'm not sure if I am out of the scope of this list yet, but since I'm still new to Linux and gcc I thought I'd ask you guys. RedHat6.1 is the system. I'm trying to compile a small assignment for school using gcc. It won't compile so I stripped it down to "Hello World". I thought I'd compiled on this machine before but maybe not. Anyway. These are the errors: /tmp/cc2fWQbM.o: In function 'main': /tmp/cc2fWQbM.o(.text+0x4): undefined reference to 'endl(ostream )' /tmp/cc2fWQbM.o(.text+0xe): undefined reference to 'cout' /tmp/cc2fWQbM.o(.text+0x13): undefined reference to 'ostream::operator(char const *)' /tmp/cc2fWQbM.o(.text+0x1e): undefined reference to 'ostream::operator(ostream (*)(ostream ))' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status I also tried compiling something I've done before (on another machine) and it returned basically the same errors. So I am thinking it has to do with the install. So I tried installing glibc, glibc-devel, and glibc-profile. I think someone told me these are the C libraries. I also did a 'find iostream' and nothing came up. Math and iostream are the only includes I need in this one. I did find Math.h in /usr/i386-glibc20-linux/include Am I looking in the right direction??? Thanks guys. John - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs
