Re: Installfest post mortem
Will wrote - Hi Peter, Also, glad to hear that we have a tea-lady for our next one ;-) Many of us really would have needed it last time. Was I really the only one with a wife who had the initiative to pack me off with a flask of coffee and sandwiches?! There was even a cup for my helper! See what you missed by not heading my way! Peter. P.S. Nice write-up in the Press. Even headlines!
Re: A small suggestion...
Chris H. wrote: This has come up a couple of times before, but it always seems to make sense to keep the newbie questions in the main list.. If we split the CLUG list in two, we would risk 'casting adrift' the newbies, as the experienced users would not feel motivated to read the newbie list and provide the help they're looking for. Also the opposite applies, the newbies get to read the more technical questions, and although some of it will be black magic, it may get the curiosity going to start some folks playing with parts of Linux that they have not used before. Here, here! Signed, Newbie. (Currently wading through the Black Magic mail and filing some away for when I am more cohersant in Swahili.)
Re: Printing the Rute manual
Before we jump into print with somebody elses words of wisdom, I think it might be a good idea to read the copying licence:- http://rute.sourceforge.net/copying.html The crucial paragraph reads:- 1. This work may not be reproduced in hard copy except for personal use. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy for training material, nor for commercial gain, nor for public or organisation-wide distribution. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy except where the intended reader of the hard copy initiates the process of converting the work to hard copy. Whilst I'd love to have a knock-off copy on account of the value for money, I'm not sure if my concience would allow it. Please think carefully about the ramifications of what is proposed. -- Christopher Sawtell. Nick Rout wrote: I made enquiries with the Digital Print Centre on Victoria street just now. Based on 660 pages printed 2 up on both sides (ie the pages end up A5 size) the cost to print and bind with spiral binding is roughly: printing: $40.50 binding : $5.40 trimming: 3.75 Total : $49.65 They would print onto a4 and then cut it in half and bind it. This is also contingent on there not being too much black on the pages. This price is for 1-4 copies, so if we got a lot done it would be less, but he was a bit vague about that. It could be worth getting an order together. This is cheaper then getting it from Amazon $30 US plus (say) $15 US postage, double it to NZ$ = $90. The cheapest large commercial offerings on linux are over $100 in Whitcoulls. Thoughts
Re: Printing the Rute manual
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Christopher Sawtell wrote: Before we jump into print with somebody elses words of wisdom, I think it might be a good idea to read the copying licence:- http://rute.sourceforge.net/copying.html The crucial paragraph reads:- 1. This work may not be reproduced in hard copy except for personal use. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy for training material, nor for commercial gain, nor for public or organisation-wide distribution. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy except where the intended reader of the hard copy initiates the process of converting the work to hard copy. Whilst I'd love to have a knock-off copy on account of the value for money, I'm not sure if my concience would allow it. Here here. If it was not for this paragraph I would have been offering hard copies of it months ago. BTW, nobody has initiated a request for a hard copy from me. I load the tutorial (uncompressed) into xpdf and print off the sections I want. The html version is good for locating the parts I need. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - preferred. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I sell GNU/Linux GNU/Hurd CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz
Re: Joke
opps Jeremy, how about this one from some anonymous wit returning from the Antarctic project. In the Antartica there are two kinds of penguin, the white ones coming towards you and the black ones going away cheers, Keith. On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Jeremy Bertenshaw wrote: That wasn't dreadfully amusing, however this is!! Ireland's worst air disaster occurred early this morning when a small two-seater Cessna plane crashed into a cemetery. Irish search and rescue workers have recovered 1826 bodies so far and expect that number to climb as digging continues into the night. jeremyb/
Re: /etc/fstab [was: Re: Install Fest Post Mortem]
ok, this will be my last try before a complete reinstallation of linux (hopefully with ntfs filesystem as well). I've tried make bzImage and make install, one of them had put the booting option into GRUB, so that the next time I booted up I had the options kernel-source-2.4.18-custom plus my other usual options. If I continue booting with that option the computer just resets itself and enters to the GRUB menu screen again, and if I continue booting with that option the computer just resets itself and enters to the GRUB menu screen again..(get the picture?) So, the question is that.is there a way around this or my computer is just stuffed (set up to be windows friendly only)? Is it worth reinstalling? If I were to reinstall, should I choose to include ntfs file server option to include the ntfs filesystem? Hansen try make install, it first offers to create a boot disk and then if you choose no, offers to run lilo. This unpacks the source, and creates a directory called kernel-source-2.4.18 (or something similier). Change to that directory and type: make xconfig Work through it. And as it's my first kernel compile, I'll select no when I'm asked about support for modules. Ook, I have configured to add in ntfs and vfat filesystem in the config, then I thought I could use bzDisk (I think) to make a boot disk first, that didn't work. Once my computer rebooted and tries to load from the disk it says: Loading. then reset the computer again! And it just keeps going in cycles. I haven't had time to use make bzImage yet but can someone tell me what to do with the compiled file once I've compiled it? The kernel document only describes what to do if I have lilo but I have GRUB (for multi booting system) and am booting off the mbr. Cheers, Hansen
Re: /etc/fstab [was: Re: Install Fest Post Mortem]
ok, this will be my last try before a complete reinstallation of linux (hopefully with ntfs filesystem as well). I've tried make bzImage and make install, one of them had put the booting option into GRUB, so that the next time I booted up I had the options kernel-source-2.4.18-custom plus my other usual options. If I continue booting with that option the computer just resets itself and enters to the GRUB menu screen again, and if I continue booting with that option the computer just resets itself and enters to the GRUB menu screen again..(get the picture?) So, the question is that.is there a way around this or my computer is just stuffed (set up to be windows friendly only)? Is it worth reinstalling? If I were to reinstall, should I choose to include ntfs file server option to include the ntfs filesystem? Hansen have you put the custom kernel into /boot ?? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/fstab [was: Re: Install Fest Post Mortem]
I've never see the ntfs file server option. Maybe I should examine the kernel options more carefully... Are you sure that you're not getting confused with NFS, the *nix equivalent of windows file sharing (aka. smb). NTFS is just one little module, with a coulpe of options, read support, and write support (write = very dangerous if you ever want to boot back to windows, and dangerous anyway). For what its worth, if you reinstall windows its a nice idea to have a fat32 partition for your data, which can be easily shared with safe read/write support under linux, and an NTFS partition for your OS and programs. - Original Message - From: Hansen Loke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: Re: /etc/fstab [was: Re: Install Fest Post Mortem] ok, this will be my last try before a complete reinstallation of linux (hopefully with ntfs filesystem as well). I've tried make bzImage and make install, one of them had put the booting option into GRUB, so that the next time I booted up I had the options kernel-source-2.4.18-custom plus my other usual options. If I continue booting with that option the computer just resets itself and enters to the GRUB menu screen again, and if I continue booting with that option the computer just resets itself and enters to the GRUB menu screen again..(get the picture?) So, the question is that.is there a way around this or my computer is just stuffed (set up to be windows friendly only)? Is it worth reinstalling? If I were to reinstall, should I choose to include ntfs file server option to include the ntfs filesystem? Hansen try make install, it first offers to create a boot disk and then if you choose no, offers to run lilo. This unpacks the source, and creates a directory called kernel-source-2.4.18 (or something similier). Change to that directory and type: make xconfig Work through it. And as it's my first kernel compile, I'll select no when I'm asked about support for modules. Ook, I have configured to add in ntfs and vfat filesystem in the config, then I thought I could use bzDisk (I think) to make a boot disk first, that didn't work. Once my computer rebooted and tries to load from the disk it says: Loading. then reset the computer again! And it just keeps going in cycles. I haven't had time to use make bzImage yet but can someone tell me what to do with the compiled file once I've compiled it? The kernel document only describes what to do if I have lilo but I have GRUB (for multi booting system) and am booting off the mbr. Cheers, Hansen
NTFS was Re: /etc/fstab [was: Re: Install Fest Post Mortem]
Theres issues there too... what if the windows OS doesn't speak fat32, and only knows about fat16? NT4 comes to mind, but I'm not sure about 2000 or XP. On Fri, 2002-07-26 at 09:36, Sascha Beaumont wrote: For what its worth, if you reinstall windows its a nice idea to have a fat32 partition for your data, which can be easily shared with safe read/write support under linux, and an NTFS partition for your OS and programs.
Re: Printing the Rute manual
1. This work may not be reproduced in hard copy except for personal use. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy for training material, nor for commercial gain, nor for public or organisation-wide distribution. Further, it may not be reproduced in hard copy except where the intended reader of the hard copy initiates the process of converting the work to hard copy. By taking orders, in a round about way the intended reader is inititating the process of converting to hard copy. They're saying... hey you ... print me a copy. No real difference from saying hey print daemon, print me a copy. The protocol is just a little different, and requires human intervention for the spooling :) Sascha Beaumont
Re: /etc/fstab [was: Re: Install Fest Post Mortem]
have you put the custom kernel into /boot ?? -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] Woah, I have to do that? I thought that the make install or make bzImage does that for me. So what files do I have to move to /boot? Hansen
