Re: Wierdo with dchpcd
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 06:04:10PM +1200, Vik Olliver wrote: dhcpcd is the client, dhcpd is the server. What had happened, I can now say in the pleasant glow of hindsight, is that the Red Hat netconfig tool appears to have set the network card that I didn't ask it to configure (eth1) to get its IP address via DHCP. Not sure why from there, but bringing the dhcpcd daemon confuses everything to the point of eth1 vanishing from ifconfig. Hmmm. Yep, since dhcpcd is the client, I imagine it found the RH default of DHCP for eth1, took it down, tried to find a DHCP server and configure it. Simply fixed by re-entering the parameters for the eth1 network card. Sounds reasonable. Red Hat used to supply thins nice too called netcfg that allowed you to configure network cards (change MTU, forwarding etc.) whatever your desktop was, and without having to load half of Gnome first. Is there another such utility hidden on the Red Hat system or is it a Gnome/KDE only distro these days? vi? : Mike. -- Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] hmh khazad-dum:~$ ls -l /usr/share/emacs/drain hmh ls: /usr/share/emacs/drain: No such file or directory * hmh now knows why his emacs is bloated. It is missing the drain
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Thus spake David A. Mann on this Mon, 09 Sep 2002 : ] C Falconer wrote: ] ] It seems that knoppix is the thing to give newbies at the moment :-\ ] ] Back in my day all we got was Slackware on 3.5 floppies... if we were ] LUCKY! Back in _my_ day we had to enter it in as 1s and 0s. Sometimes we didn't even have 0s and had to make do with Os. Mind you, we had to walk thru fifty miles of snow ...
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:43:54PM +1200, Yuri de Groot wrote: Back in _my_ day we had to enter it in as 1s and 0s. Sometimes we didn't even have 0s and had to make do with Os. Mind you, we had to walk thru fifty miles of snow ... In bare feet. Mike. -- Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The room was too warm, with that sort of cat-barf-beige carpet that has been standard for meeting rooms for a millennium because it hides coffee stains. -- John Barnes - Merchant of Souls
Fw: Distros... can anyone hear me?
.up hill both ways - Original Message - From: Michael Beattie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Distros... can anyone hear me? On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:43:54PM +1200, Yuri de Groot wrote: Back in _my_ day we had to enter it in as 1s and 0s. Sometimes we didn't even have 0s and had to make do with Os. Mind you, we had to walk thru fifty miles of snow ...In bare feet.Mike.-- Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]"The room was too warm, with that sort of cat-barf-beige carpet that hasbeen standard for meeting rooms for a millennium because it hides coffeestains." -- John Barnes - "Merchant of Souls"
Re: Fw: Distros... can anyone hear me?
And eat a handful of gravel? ;-) On Monday 09 September 2002 22:58, Tess wrote: .up hill both ways - Original Message - From: Michael Beattie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: Re: Distros... can anyone hear me? On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:43:54PM +1200, Yuri de Groot wrote: Back in _my_ day we had to enter it in as 1s and 0s. Sometimes we didn't even have 0s and had to make do with Os. Mind you, we had to walk thru fifty miles of snow ... In bare feet. Mike. -- Michael Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The room was too warm, with that sort of cat-barf-beige carpet that has been standard for meeting rooms for a millennium because it hides coffee stains. -- John Barnes - Merchant of Souls
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
David A. Mann wrote: Back in my day all we got was Slackware on 3.5 floppies... if we were LUCKY! I dream of usin' Slackware s I see that that which will be Slackware 9 is available :) Adrian
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Yuri de Groot wrote: Back in _my_ day we had to enter it in as 1s and 0s. Sometimes we didn't even have 0s and had to make do with Os. Mind you, we had to walk thru fifty miles of snow ... I had to etch it onto a ferrous oxide coated platter with a magnetized needle :( Adrian
HarveyNorman $4.95 CD-Rs
Just tested these on my burner and they appear to be fine. They wrote fine up to 8x, which is as fast as my burner can go. Manufacturer info is Gigastorage, CD-R, 79:59.74, although I've just written one out to 91:29.74! (YMMV). Cheers, DJP
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Adrian Stacey writes: Yuri de Groot wrote: Back in _my_ day we had to enter it in as 1s and 0s. Sometimes we didn't even have 0s and had to make do with Os. Mind you, we had to walk thru fifty miles of snow ... I had to etch it onto a ferrous oxide coated platter with a magnetized needle :( Adrian Right. We had to get up at half-past midnight, half an hour before we went to bed, drink a cup of dimethyl sulphoxide saturated with caffine, clean out the inside of the discarded anti-static bad that we used to live in, then go to work in the Programmer's Sweatshop. We used to melt down our mother's Englebert Humperdink LPs for PVC, which we would use to manufacture our own circuitboards using whatever easily-meltable conductive material we could find, which usually came down to the lead foil from managment's discarded wine bottles, or the fillings in our own teeth. We had no gloves, so we had to clean the circuit boards with dangerous chlorinated solvents with our bare hands. We coded in minix using paper tape which we would have to make out of our own reference manuals, which management would buy for us yearly, but only if we denigrated ourselves in front of them. The relevant material all had to be memorized before destroying the books, of course. The actual punching was done by Eddie, who had had his upper left insisor chipped into a triangular shape when he was trying to fix the linotype machine, and Mick, who would feed him the tape and tell him when to bite. We had to code in the kernel using Intercal, as this was before gcc and we couldn't afford a C compiler. We would work for 26 hours a day, seven days a week, *and* we had to pay our employers for the priviledge of working there, gaining valuable work experience with the possibility of stock options if we lasted a decade. The closest thing we got to a holiday were interminiably boring productivity seminars, which were scheduled with uncanny precision just when time-critical tasks were at hand. In any case, our solvent-destroyed brains had difficulty picking up the thread after breaks of any length. At a little after three, management would start their 'drinkies' which usually ended up with a drunken management team descending upon our basement with baseball bats to smash all the machines (and any programmer that got in their way). So we would have to start all over again. Finally we would be forced back to our anti-static bag, where we would have our evening meal of death-curried stale cornflakes and then the Night Manager would send us to sleep by bashing our brains in with a brick. A.
Re: Re: Wierdo with dchpcd
Linuxconf is always good for stuff like that, runs in CLI or as an X app in the GUI :-) jeremyb. From: Vik Olliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2002/09/09 Mon PM 06:04:10 GMT+12:00 To: CLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Wierdo with dchpcd Red Hat used to supply thins nice too called netcfg that allowed you to configure network cards (change MTU, forwarding etc.) whatever your desktop was, and without having to load half of Gnome first. Is there another such utility hidden on the Red Hat system or is it a Gnome/KDE only distro these days? Vik :v)
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 05:18, Andrew Tarr wrote:
We coded in minix using paper tape which we would have to make out of
our own reference manuals, which management would buy for us yearly,
but only if we denigrated ourselves in front of them
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Denigrate \Deni*grate\, v. t. [L. denigrare; de- + nigrare to
blacken, niger black.]
1. To blacken thoroughly; to make very black. --Boyle.
2. Fig.: To blacken or sully; to defame. [R.]
To denigrate the memory of Voltaire. --Morley.
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
denigrate
v 1: belittle; Don't belittle his influence [syn: {minimize},
{belittle}, {derogate}]
2: charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good
name and reputation of someone; The journalists have
defamed me! The article in the paper sullied my
reputation [syn: {defame}, {slander}, {smirch}, {asperse},
{calumniate}, {smear}, {sully}, {besmirch}]
(for those who didn't already know (like me))
definition of denigrate
I think I like the Cambridge definition better. Its easier to understand
than to blacken
denigrate
verb [T]
to say that (someone or something) is
not good or important
I was very hurt when he denigrated my
efforts.
You shouldn't denigrate people just because
they have different beliefs from you.
Cheers,
Hansen
C Falconer wrote:
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 05:18, Andrew Tarr wrote:
We coded in minix using paper tape which we would have to make out of
our own reference manuals, which management would buy for us yearly,
but only if we denigrated ourselves in front of them
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Denigrate \Deni*grate\, v. t. [L. denigrare; de- + nigrare to
blacken, niger black.]
1. To blacken thoroughly; to make very black. --Boyle.
2. Fig.: To blacken or sully; to defame. [R.]
To denigrate the memory of Voltaire. --Morley.
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
denigrate
v 1: belittle; Don't belittle his influence [syn: {minimize},
{belittle}, {derogate}]
2: charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good
name and reputation of someone; The journalists have
defamed me! The article in the paper sullied my
reputation [syn: {defame}, {slander}, {smirch}, {asperse},
{calumniate}, {smear}, {sully}, {besmirch}]
(for those who didn't already know (like me))
Window Decorations
Hi, I currently use KDE 3.0.1 standard RH7.3 install. I would like to know what the name of the window decoration used on all the screen shots over at www.ximian.com are ( http://www.ximian.com/imagewrap.html?image=/images/screenshots/ximian_evolution/main-view.png) I realize ximian uses Gnome however I would be interested in finding that window decoration for KDE any suggestions? Mark
RE: Distros... can anyone hear me?
-Original Message- From: David A. Mann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 7:22 p.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Distros... can anyone hear me? C Falconer wrote: It seems that knoppix is the thing to give newbies at the moment :-\ Back in my day all we got was Slackware on 3.5 floppies... if we were LUCKY! Seriously..., I have a box at home containing a SysVR4 release of unix called Consensys, I recall installing it from 97 floppies...
Rute Manual
Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. tim http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~tnw13 Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
DVD writers Linux
Hey all .. with the arrival of almost affordable DVD writers I was wondering if anyone's taken the plunge yet and got one running under linux - Cheers Paul BTW - irc.linux.com /join #clug :) (Manager, E-caf@The Arts Centre) (Level 2/28 Worcester Boulevard, Christchurch, NZ) (ph/fax +64 3 3656480 www.e-caf.com)
Re: Window Decorations
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 09:55, Mark Carey wrote: I would like to know what the name of the window decoration used on all the screen shots over at www.ximian.com are Crux (the default GNOME2 theme). -- Michael JasonSmith http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~mpj17/
Re: Rute Manual
Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Rute Manual
Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) People this is the same as the one I gave away at the last meeting. -- Nick Rout Barrister Solicitor Christchurch, NZ Ph +64 3 3798966 Fax + 64 3 3798853 http://www.rout.co.nz
Re: Rute Manual
I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. I guess it would depend on the pre-reqs for the course. Are these folks new to computers or just new to linux. On this list we have the likes of Peter C, who, while new to linux, has been using computers since Mr Babbage's analytical engine :-)
Re: Slides from the CLUG talk (and XFree86 config file)
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Tim Wright wrote: On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Michael Beattie wrote: No, it means that he needs to ask the author to license it. code with *no* license whatsoever is more restrictive than an M$ EULA (ok, exaggeration.. but you get the point) Which I have done...just waiting for a reply. He's told me to slap a GPL license onto it and give to whoever..but with a promise of *absolutely no* support. I'll put it on my website in a couple of days...will keep you informed when it goes up. I'm also contemplating rewriting the system so it's a little smoother and has a couple fo extra features. We'll see. tim http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~tnw13 Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Andrew Tarr wrote: Right. We had to get up at half-past midnight, half an hour before we went to bed... And tell the young'ns o' today that - and they won't believe ya...
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
C Falconer wrote: On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 05:18, Andrew Tarr wrote: We coded in minix using paper tape which we would have to make out of our own reference manuals, which management would buy for us yearly, but only if we denigrated ourselves in front of them From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]: Not terribly PC that, was it?
Re: Rute Manual
While on the subject of printing rute manuals. It was sugested to me at the last meeting that we should take Craig up on his offer and get one or two more manuals printed with the CLUG funds and have another one or two door prizes at the next and subsequent meeting/s? Any thoughts? NE On Tuesday 10 September 2002 12:35 pm, C Falconer wrote: Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Adrian Stacey writes: C Falconer wrote: On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 05:18, Andrew Tarr wrote: We coded in minix using paper tape which we would have to make out of our own reference manuals, which management would buy for us yearly, but only if we denigrated ourselves in front of them From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]: Not terribly PC that, was it? If you are referring to the reference to niger meaning black, well, in Latin, niger does mean black, and in fact is where negro, nigger, etc, orgininaly come from. I believe it is pronounced with a long i but I could very well be wrong about that. If you are referring to the very use of anything meaning blacken to mean something bad, well, English (and European culture generally, I think) is rife with black=bad ideas. Black mark besides ones name, black heart, black market, etc. In either case, the usage predates black slavery and racism. Actually, it wasn't the word I really wanted in any case. There's a word I want, and I can't think of it, it's something like prostrate or perjure or something Andrew.
Re: Rute Manual
Hi Nick Great idea.. but i don't thing its legal? But i might be wrong... Mahesh While on the subject of printing rute manuals. It was sugested to me at the last meeting that we should take Craig up on his offer and get one or two more manuals printed with the CLUG funds and have another one or two door prizes at the next and subsequent meeting/s? Any thoughts? NE On Tuesday 10 September 2002 12:35 pm, C Falconer wrote: Don't forget I can print you one at cost for $19. Thats bound in a spiraly plastic binding, with laminated covers. (and it is within the terms of the RUTE licence, because you are instituting the printing of the book.) On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:13, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:24, Tim Wright wrote: Well, I'm back..and unfortunatly didn't find a bookstore that stocked it. However, their RRP (they could have ordered it) was US$40. So the Amazon cost of $86nz looks pretty good. btw, Has anybody had a chance to have a good look at this yet? A paraphrased comment from a newby was that it's Completely over my head, total waste of money. I've been at this Linux game for a fair while now so tend to disagree with the newbie's feelings on the subject, but I am wondering what other folks think? The reason for the question is that I would be grateful for the list's wisdom so that I can give these Avonmore students a wider opinion than just my own, which btw is Good reference and learning resource, possibly too deep too soon. It seems to go from computing sub-basics to pretty solid stuff in just a page or two. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell = For Linux CD's check out http://www.xsolutions.co.nz/linux http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
I had to etch it onto a ferrous oxide coated platter with a magnetized needle :( Linux? Unix? Paper tape? What's wrong with cutting the holes in a card with a penknife? (And that's actually what I was actually doing one New Year's eve until the operator took pity on me and reminded me of the time by puting a half a pint in my hand to drink in the New Year - 196x I was too tired to recall how deep the snow was.) Peter.
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Peter Cornelius wrote: I had to etch it onto a ferrous oxide coated platter with a magnetized needle :( Linux? Unix? Paper tape? What's wrong with cutting the holes in a card with a penknife? (And that's actually what I was actually doing one New Year's eve until the operator took pity on me and reminded me of the time by puting a half a pint in my hand to drink in the New Year - 196x I was too tired to recall how deep the snow was.) Hey! I not THAT old ; BTW, were you doing this before or after you were sent to get a Long Stand?
Re: Distros... can anyone hear me?
Andew T. wrote: There's a word I want, and I can't think of it, it's something like prostrate But you have thought of it, Andrew - 'Laying with face to ground, especially of token of submission or humility.' (Late Mother-in-Law's Oxford Concise Dictionary, 1925 - which also mentions 'computers', but I'm not sure how they were programmed. Some things were even before my time!) Peter C.
