Re: Gentoo IF - Thank You

2003-07-08 Thread Conrad Wolf
Nick Rout wrote:

either copy them from the cd/dvd into /usr/portage or change the
distfile dir in /etc/make.conf.
HOWEVER if emerge decides it wants something that is not on the cd, it
will try and download it and write it onto the cd/dvd, which is going
to crap out.
that sort of cd is not marketed by anyone as it would be a nightmare
updating it. 

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:23:19+1200 Conrad
Wolf[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

I've copied David's distfiles into my /usr/portage/distfiles, but when I 
emerge a package that I've copied this way, portage wants to download it 
anyway. Do I have to update something to make it know that they're there?

Cheers,
Conrad.


Re: Browser article in today's Press

2003-07-08 Thread David Mann
C Falconer wrote:

 Theres another word that is synonymous, like xerox  What
 alternatives are there (for any OS) ?

Apple have Keynote (not sure if this has been released yet).  I think 
Macromedia Flash would be excellent for presentations.  Pity I haven't 
gotten around to learning it yet.  Powerpoint is extremely limiting.

Regardless of the software I found the list of hints to contain some good 
suggestions.  Most of the presentations I see at work are pretty badly 
done.  The two biggest problems are putting far too much information on a 
slide, and using unreadable colours.  Oh and the content does tend to be 
quite boring at times ;)

But what annoys me most is when people don't add a closing slide so you 
either get the end of show, click to exit screen, or it goes back into 
the editing screen.

Cheers,

- Dave

http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/




Re: Gentoo IF - Thank You

2003-07-08 Thread Christopher Sawtell
Conrad said:-
 I've copied David's distfiles into my /usr/portage/distfiles, but when I
 emerge a package that I've copied this way, portage wants to download it
 anyway. Do I have to update something to make it know that they're there?

Have you done an 'emerge rsync' recently?
It is possible that a new file has been added to the portage system and your 
computer is going to get the new version, or simply that David did not have 
the precise source file you want in the archive.

What it the file you are trying to emerge?
Please include the _precise_ ( sorry to be pedantic, but it's important ) path 
and file name of the .ebuild and the tar.gz files.

Otherwise emerge with the full path and name of the .ebuild file you wish to 
emerge.

The two free CDROMs I mentioned on the list as available have gone, but I can 
cut more. Particular packages could be added, there is about 55 Megs left 
before the two CDROMs are completely full vis:-

669319168 Jul  5 23:14 /usr/local/isos/AtoK.iso 
674136064 Jul  5 23:17 /usr/local/isos/LtoZ.iso

These archives hold 653 packages which is about 15% of the total packages 
available and represents approx 65 - 70 hours of download time with a 56k 
modem on a good day.

The Mozilla sources at 31.1 Mbytes are actually in the AtoK CD otherwise they 
wouldn't fit in the CD.

Install and LiveCD disks available too.
KDE, no Gnome applications in these CDROMs.
Just the gtk libraries, so GIMP works.

$5 per CDROM + postage, or you collect.

--
C. S.



Re: Gentoo IF - Thank You

2003-07-08 Thread Conrad Wolf
Christopher Sawtell wrote:

Have you done an 'emerge rsync' recently?
It is possible that a new file has been added to the portage system and your 
computer is going to get the new version, or simply that David did not have 
the precise source file you want in the archive.

What it the file you are trying to emerge?
Please include the _precise_ ( sorry to be pedantic, but it's important ) path 
and file name of the .ebuild and the tar.gz files.

Otherwise emerge with the full path and name of the .ebuild file you wish to 
emerge.
 

Sorry, Chris, it was my fault. For some reason the big ones of David's 
distfiles didn't untar properly the first time. So I ended up with 0 kb 
files of the same names and didn't realize. After I've untared the 
archive again, everyrhing worked fine. This mail is allready written in 
my new Mozilla :).

The two free CDROMs I mentioned on the list as available have gone, but I can 
cut more. Particular packages could be added, there is about 55 Megs left 
before the two CDROMs are completely full vis:-

669319168 Jul  5 23:14 /usr/local/isos/AtoK.iso 
674136064 Jul  5 23:17 /usr/local/isos/LtoZ.iso

These archives hold 653 packages which is about 15% of the total packages 
available and represents approx 65 - 70 hours of download time with a 56k 
modem on a good day.

The Mozilla sources at 31.1 Mbytes are actually in the AtoK CD otherwise they 
wouldn't fit in the CD.

Install and LiveCD disks available too.
KDE, no Gnome applications in these CDROMs.
Just the gtk libraries, so GIMP works.
$5 per CDROM + postage, or you collect.

At the moment I've no use for the CDs, but thanks for the offer. I've 
all the big packages together that I normally use and for the small bits 
and pieces it's more conveniant to simply emerge them. From now on I 
consider myself as a happy Gentoo user and I don't intend to go back to 
Debian (which I loved).

Thanx to all who helped!

Cheers,
Conrad.


RE: syncing files of FTP

2003-07-08 Thread Bjorn Nilsen
http://freshmeat.net/projects/ftpsync/

 Hi,
 
 I am developing a php application and I need to sync the 
 source files on my local server with a test server. How 
 should I do this?
 
 Cheers
 
 Paul
 



Re: Browser article in today's Press

2003-07-08 Thread C Falconer
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 19:33, David Mann wrote:
 Regardless of the software I found the list of hints to contain some good 
 suggestions.  Most of the presentations I see at work are pretty badly 
 done.  The two biggest problems are putting far too much information on a 
 slide, and using unreadable colours.  Oh and the content does tend to be 
 quite boring at times ;)

Simply standing there, reading the slide to the audience is pretty
terrible too.

 But what annoys me most is when people don't add a closing slide so you 
 either get the end of show, click to exit screen, or it goes back into 
 the editing screen.

Yes - its the height of bad presentations to show off your XP desktop or
whatever.



Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Yuri de Groot
I just want to say I'm impressed.
A friend of mine brought his windows laptop around yesterday.
He plugged it into my crossover cable.
I then launched LinNeighbourhood on my computer and mounted his shared directories
without a problem.

This may seem trivial to the old gurus, but for me, up until now I've never
managed to set up samba.

Linux is more than ready for the reasonably-computer-literate-but-not-necessarily-gurus
demographic of society.

Yuri


Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Rout
It always seems to have been easier to mount another windows machine
than to go the other way. You don't need to fiddle with smb.conf to
mount other machines (as you now know :-)

mount -t smbfs or smbmount 

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:21:57 +1200
Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just want to say I'm impressed.
 A friend of mine brought his windows laptop around yesterday.
 He plugged it into my crossover cable.
 I then launched LinNeighbourhood on my computer and mounted his shared directories
 without a problem.
 
 This may seem trivial to the old gurus, but for me, up until now I've never
 managed to set up samba.
 
 Linux is more than ready for the 
 reasonably-computer-literate-but-not-necessarily-gurus
 demographic of society.
 
 Yuri
 

--
All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev etcetera file
for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking rehooliginator and
symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler module after a kernel
decompile and basic repatch update. - theregister.co.uk



RE: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Brad Beveridge
I quite like xfsamba.  I've found it much easier to get my linux box running samba to 
connect to a windows computer than getting two windows computer to talk to each other.
1) Are we on the same subnet
2) Yes
1) Can you ping me
2) Yes
1) Windows neigbourhood can't find you.  Are you sure you can ping me?
2) YES
1) Reboot your machine
2) Reboot _your_ machine

 -Original Message-
 From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 9:43 a.m.
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.
 
 
 It always seems to have been easier to mount another windows 
 machine than to go the other way. You don't need to fiddle 
 with smb.conf to mount other machines (as you now know :-)
 
 mount -t smbfs or smbmount 
 
 On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:21:57 +1200
 Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I just want to say I'm impressed.
  A friend of mine brought his windows laptop around yesterday. He 
  plugged it into my crossover cable. I then launched 
 LinNeighbourhood 
  on my computer and mounted his shared directories without a problem.
  
  This may seem trivial to the old gurus, but for me, up 
 until now I've 
  never managed to set up samba.
  
  Linux is more than ready for the 
  reasonably-computer-literate-but-not-necessarily-gurus
  demographic of society.
  
  Yuri
  
 
 --
 All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev 
 etcetera file for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking 
 rehooliginator and symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler 
 module after a kernel decompile and basic repatch update. - 
 theregister.co.uk
 
 


Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Rout
I have not set up much windows software recently, except that i set up
some programs on an XP machine for a colleague the other day. I was
appalled at the number of reboots. I have got so used to installing and
immediately running with linux. you know like:

emerge|apt-get|up2date openoffice
bang its going, no reboot.

how do you find what ip address you have in XP anyway? win9x has
winipcfg, a little gui that tells you the ip characteristics and allows
you to renew your dhcp lease.


On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:51:13 +1200
Brad Beveridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I quite like xfsamba.  I've found it much easier to get my linux box running samba 
 to connect to a windows computer than getting two windows computer to talk to each 
 other.
 1) Are we on the same subnet
 2) Yes
 1) Can you ping me
 2) Yes
 1) Windows neigbourhood can't find you.  Are you sure you can ping me?
 2) YES
 1) Reboot your machine
 2) Reboot _your_ machine
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 9:43 a.m.
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.
  
  
  It always seems to have been easier to mount another windows 
  machine than to go the other way. You don't need to fiddle 
  with smb.conf to mount other machines (as you now know :-)
  
  mount -t smbfs or smbmount 
  
  On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:21:57 +1200
  Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I just want to say I'm impressed.
   A friend of mine brought his windows laptop around yesterday. He 
   plugged it into my crossover cable. I then launched 
  LinNeighbourhood 
   on my computer and mounted his shared directories without a problem.
   
   This may seem trivial to the old gurus, but for me, up 
  until now I've 
   never managed to set up samba.
   
   Linux is more than ready for the 
   reasonably-computer-literate-but-not-necessarily-gurus
   demographic of society.
   
   Yuri
   
  
  --
  All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev 
  etcetera file for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking 
  rehooliginator and symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler 
  module after a kernel decompile and basic repatch update. - 
  theregister.co.uk
  
  
 




RE: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Brad Beveridge
You can right click on the network connection icen in network neighbourhood, then 
properties then click on the TCP/IP protocol.
There is also ipconfig.
I wish I didn't know this stuff :)

Brad

 -Original Message-
 From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 9:59 a.m.
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.
 
 
 I have not set up much windows software recently, except that 
 i set up some programs on an XP machine for a colleague the 
 other day. I was appalled at the number of reboots. I have 
 got so used to installing and immediately running with linux. 
 you know like:
 
 emerge|apt-get|up2date openoffice
 bang its going, no reboot.
 
 how do you find what ip address you have in XP anyway? win9x 
 has winipcfg, a little gui that tells you the ip 
 characteristics and allows you to renew your dhcp lease.
 
 
 On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:51:13 +1200
 Brad Beveridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I quite like xfsamba.  I've found it much easier to get my 
 linux box 
  running samba to connect to a windows computer than getting 
 two windows computer to talk to each other.
  1) Are we on the same subnet
  2) Yes
  1) Can you ping me
  2) Yes
  1) Windows neigbourhood can't find you.  Are you sure you 
 can ping me?
  2) YES
  1) Reboot your machine
  2) Reboot _your_ machine
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 9:43 a.m.
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.
   
   
   It always seems to have been easier to mount another windows
   machine than to go the other way. You don't need to fiddle 
   with smb.conf to mount other machines (as you now know :-)
   
   mount -t smbfs or smbmount
   
   On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:21:57 +1200
   Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
I just want to say I'm impressed.
A friend of mine brought his windows laptop around yesterday. He
plugged it into my crossover cable. I then launched 
   LinNeighbourhood
on my computer and mounted his shared directories without a 
problem.

This may seem trivial to the old gurus, but for me, up
   until now I've
never managed to set up samba.

Linux is more than ready for the
reasonably-computer-literate-but-not-necessarily-gurus
demographic of society.

Yuri

   
   --
   All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev
   etcetera file for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking 
   rehooliginator and symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler 
   module after a kernel decompile and basic repatch update. - 
   theregister.co.uk
   
   
  
 
 
 


Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:58:57AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:

 how do you find what ip address you have in XP anyway? win9x has
 winipcfg, a little gui that tells you the ip characteristics and
 allows you to renew your dhcp lease.

At a command prompt, 'ipconfig /all' will get you NIC configuration
details. 'ipconfig /renew' will renew your DHCP lease.  You can also do
this using a GUI by double-clicking the NIC in the Network properties.

Cheers,
-mjg
-- 
Matthew Gregan |/
  /|[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:51:13AM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
 1) Are we on the same subnet
 2) Yes
 1) Can you ping me
 2) Yes
 1) Windows neigbourhood can't find you.  Are you sure you can ping me?
 2) YES
 1) Reboot your machine
 2) Reboot _your_ machine

Windows machines, especially on an ad-hoc network with no WINS servers,
can take a long time to agree on who is the browser master and to
distributed the browser list to all of the machines on the LAN.  There's
no need to reboot, but you have to be patient.

Cheers,
-mjg
-- 
Matthew Gregan |/
  /|[EMAIL PROTECTED]


RE: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
In w2k, NT, Win XP:-

In command prompt,

Ipconfig
Ipconfig /all
Ipconfig /release
Ipconfig /renew

Regards, Robert

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

 -Original Message-
From:   Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Wednesday, 9 July 2003 9:59 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

I have not set up much windows software recently, except that i set up
some programs on an XP machine for a colleague the other day. I was
appalled at the number of reboots. I have got so used to installing and
immediately running with linux. you know like:

emerge|apt-get|up2date openoffice
bang its going, no reboot.

how do you find what ip address you have in XP anyway? win9x has
winipcfg, a little gui that tells you the ip characteristics and allows
you to renew your dhcp lease.


On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:51:13 +1200
Brad Beveridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I quite like xfsamba.  I've found it much easier to get my linux box
running samba to connect to a windows computer than getting two windows
computer to talk to each other.
 1) Are we on the same subnet
 2) Yes
 1) Can you ping me
 2) Yes
 1) Windows neigbourhood can't find you.  Are you sure you can ping me?
 2) YES
 1) Reboot your machine
 2) Reboot _your_ machine
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 9:43 a.m.
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.
  
  
  It always seems to have been easier to mount another windows 
  machine than to go the other way. You don't need to fiddle 
  with smb.conf to mount other machines (as you now know :-)
  
  mount -t smbfs or smbmount 
  
  On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:21:57 +1200
  Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I just want to say I'm impressed.
   A friend of mine brought his windows laptop around yesterday. He 
   plugged it into my crossover cable. I then launched 
  LinNeighbourhood 
   on my computer and mounted his shared directories without a problem.
   
   This may seem trivial to the old gurus, but for me, up 
  until now I've 
   never managed to set up samba.
   
   Linux is more than ready for the 
   reasonably-computer-literate-but-not-necessarily-gurus
   demographic of society.
   
   Yuri
   
  
  --
  All that was needed was to parse the cat root slash dev 
  etcetera file for eth0 and pugle the forward identity-locking 
  rehooliginator and symlink it to the libgc perl humongisooler 
  module after a kernel decompile and basic repatch update. - 
  theregister.co.uk
  
  
 



MSLinux

2003-07-08 Thread Marc Archbold

Hmmm, Interesting :)

http://www.mslinux.org/

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Re: MSLinux

2003-07-08 Thread Paul
lol


On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:51 am, Marc Archbold wrote:
 Hmmm, Interesting :)

 http://www.mslinux.org/

 - Marc
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 are not the intended recipient, you are asked to respect
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 Your assistance is appreciated.

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Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Conrad Wolf
Nick Rout wrote:

emerge|apt-get|up2date openoffice
bang its going, no reboot.
emerge openoffice definitely doesn't go bang and it's going :). You 
don't have to reboot, though.

Conrad.




Re: Mdk 9.1 - another thing that works out of the box.

2003-07-08 Thread Jason Greenwood
No, in that case it's urpmi openoffice and bang, it's going. =)

Conrad Wolf wrote:

Nick Rout wrote:

emerge|apt-get|up2date openoffice
bang its going, no reboot.
emerge openoffice definitely doesn't go bang and it's going :). You 
don't have to reboot, though.

Conrad.







OpenOffice Basic

2003-07-08 Thread Ryurick M. Hristev
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Jason Greenwood wrote:

 No, in that case it's urpmi openoffice and bang, it's going. =)

Speaking of: What kind of OpenOffice Basic tutorials are there ?
I know about the SDK (1.0.2) and there is an older StarOffice tutorial but ...
... it's proving to be a rather tough cookie :-)
(Python is still a while away I I feel no compulsion to learn Java,
not until I'll see a free and complete implementation anyway plus
other don't like it) And I don't know of any books (on the OO Basic that is).

Cheers,
-- 
Ryurick M. Hristev mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Computer Systems Manager
University of Canterbury, Physics  Astronomy Dept., New Zealand



Re: grub.conf

2003-07-08 Thread Chris Bayley
I believe this to be the case, interestingly I use a VFAT /boot 
partition so I can edit grub.conf from eckspee and VFAT doesn't support 
sym links which was causeing the tar error I had on the GIF day when 
stage1 was extracting.

Accordinly my grub says: kernel (hd0,2)/bzImage

/cb

Nick Rout wrote:

thinking about it I think it may be so that you can use the line

kernel=/boot/bzImage, whether or not /boot is a separate partition.

Think about it!

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:19:54 +1200
Conrad Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Hi Chris,

do you remember the strange line in grub.conf from Saturday? In the 
kernel line one specifes the location of the kernel image like (boot 
partition)/boot/bzImage, where the boot partition itself is normally 
mounted at /boot in the root tree. Therefore there shouldn't be a 
directory by the name /boot in the boot partition. I've found that the 
boot partition has a symbolic link with the name boot to itself. Hence 
you could also write (boot partition)/bzImage or even (boot 
partition)/boot/boot/boot/boot/bzImage with exactly the same result.

Cheers,
Conrad.
   

--
Nick Rout
Barrister  Solicitor
Christchurch, NZ
Ph +64 3 3798966
Fax + 64 3 3798853
http://www.rout.co.nz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 




gentoo / open office

2003-07-08 Thread Chris Bayley
I bit the bullet the other night and poped over to Nicks and picked up 
the source dist for Open Office and I was pleasantly suprised that it 
compiled in just 8.5 hrs! (PIV1600/PIII800 distcc)
I was expecting days for 'the biggest source tarball in open source' but 
it was a fair bit less than the 20 or so hours for KDE...

So... go forth and compile !

: )
/cb
just have to get DRI running now (radeon M7)...



Re: gentoo / open office

2003-07-08 Thread Yuri de Groot
8.5 hours, 20 hours, uh-huh.
There are some patient people out there.

I bit the bullet the other night and poped over to Nicks and picked up 
the source dist for Open Office and I was pleasantly suprised that it 
compiled in just 8.5 hrs! (PIV1600/PIII800 distcc)
I was expecting days for 'the biggest source tarball in open source' but 
it was a fair bit less than the 20 or so hours for KDE...

So... go forth and compile !


: )


Re: OpenOffice Basic

2003-07-08 Thread Ryurick M. Hristev
On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Yuri de Groot wrote:

 Speaking of: What kind of OpenOffice Basic tutorials are there ?
 I know about the SDK (1.0.2) and there is an older StarOffice tutorial but
 ...
 ... it's proving to be a rather tough cookie :-)
 (Python is still a while away I I feel no compulsion to learn Java,
 not until I'll see a free and complete implementation anyway plus
 other don't like it) And I don't know of any books (on the OO Basic that
 is).
 
 Your question has led me to try hbasic asap,
 I found it at:
 http://hbasic.sourceforge.net/
 I'm gonna download it and play.
 It might meet your needs too.

I don't want [EMAIL PROTECTED] Basic :-D

All I want is to be able to write some simple macros in OO. But:
- C++ is an overkill
- Java is also quite an overkill + is not as fast to develop (compared to Python, 
Perl, etc)
- Python is not available in 1.0.x series, might be in 1.1 and beyond

So the only one left is the OO Basic. (and AFAIK it appears that 1.1 will have a macro 
recorder :-)

Cheers,
-- 
Ryurick M. Hristev mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Computer Systems Manager
University of Canterbury, Physics  Astronomy Dept., New Zealand



Re: gentoo / open office

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Rout
yes once you have done it once you have the program installed, if there
is an upgrade you may need to compile again, but you can do that with
nice so the box is still usable, and you can still use the old version
while the new one compiles.

Usually even with a long compile a new version of kde is available on my
box before redhat/mandrake/whatever get binary packages made and
distributed.

people should remeber that they can compile their own binaries under rpm
as well, using src.rpm's and the rebuild commands. You can optimise for
your own architecture. There was a nice little howto written by a kiwi,
but i cannot find it on google at present. Maybe he went to gentoo :-)


On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:10:07 +1200
Yuri de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 8.5 hours, 20 hours, uh-huh.
 There are some patient people out there.
 
 I bit the bullet the other night and poped over to Nicks and picked up 
 the source dist for Open Office and I was pleasantly suprised that it 
 compiled in just 8.5 hrs! (PIV1600/PIII800 distcc)
 I was expecting days for 'the biggest source tarball in open source' but 
 it was a fair bit less than the 20 or so hours for KDE...
 
 So... go forth and compile !
 
 
 : )
 

-- 
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]



HD Installs of Knoppix

2003-07-08 Thread Vik Olliver
I've installed most of Knoppix on a HD but seem to have missed off the
network interface stuff. Is there a nice configuration utility hiding in
there? Running kudzu and chucking things in rc.local works fine, I just
wondered if there was a better way.

I do realise that it's a bit of a patchwork distribution with free and
non-free and stabe and unstable etc. in it. Is there anything that
describes how to tidy things up to a slightly saner Debian distro?

Vik :v)





Re: OpenOffice Basic

2003-07-08 Thread Chad

If you want todo some basic programing with linux you could try.
http://gambas.sf.net
http://hbasic.sf.net
or the delphi Part of Borlands free kylix IDE.
http://www.borland.com 
Gambas is very very easy to pick up. And texstar does have a Mandrake package
avaliable I think. If not there is a source listed on the website for mandrake 
packages.
It also has some decent doc and tutorials. However it is interpreted so if you want to 
make
simple apps try delphi.
All three have the draw your GUI style tools.

Chad

 On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Jason Greenwood wrote:
  No, in that case it's urpmi openoffice and bang, it's going. =)

 Speaking of: What kind of OpenOffice Basic tutorials are there ?
 I know about the SDK (1.0.2) and there is an older StarOffice tutorial but
 ... ... it's proving to be a rather tough cookie :-)
 (Python is still a while away I I feel no compulsion to learn Java,
 not until I'll see a free and complete implementation anyway plus
 other don't like it) And I don't know of any books (on the OO Basic that
 is).

 Cheers,



Re: Browser article in today's Press

2003-07-08 Thread Vik Olliver
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:50, Michael JasonSmith wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 10:42, C Falconer wrote:
 [snip]
   ... a how to use Powerpoint article that didn't mention any
   free alternatives :-(
  
  There's another word that is synonymous, like xerox  What
  alternatives are there (for any OS) ?
   * I use LaTeX [1]
   * OO.org has presentation software built in [2]

Firin' up an OpenOffice presentation on Future Technologies right here
in preparation for the Uniforum on the weekend. Works a treat.

Vik :v)



Re: Browser article in today's Press

2003-07-08 Thread Nick Rout
yes i've used it for my presentations to clug and found it fine. I
haven't used powerpoint for years, so cannot comment on the bells 
whistles stuff.

also that guru Ken Yap used it for his presentation at clug, so thats
some sort of endorsement i guess.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:41:19 +1200
Vik Olliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 11:50, Michael JasonSmith wrote:
  On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 10:42, C Falconer wrote:
  [snip]
... a how to use Powerpoint article that didn't mention any
free alternatives :-(
   
   There's another word that is synonymous, like xerox  What
   alternatives are there (for any OS) ?
* I use LaTeX [1]
* OO.org has presentation software built in [2]
 
 Firin' up an OpenOffice presentation on Future Technologies right here
 in preparation for the Uniforum on the weekend. Works a treat.
 
 Vik :v)
 

-- 
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: syncing files of FTP

2003-07-08 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
 seems to me you write a script, which in the hands of someone more
 skillful than me should be trivial.

Yes. That script is written in C and called sitecopy (already shipped
by major Linux distrobutions). It has a stupid mode in which it never
reads the server content, but keeps track of what it has uploaded, and
then assumes the server content is as what it thinks it is.

Volker

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Re: OpenOffice Basic

2003-07-08 Thread Paul
Why go BASIC? Try ruby or python, but if you really want to 
use basic use monobasic (go-mono.org)

-Paul


OT Wireless connections and recent snowfalls

2003-07-08 Thread Yuri de Groot
Hi all,

I'm very curious if anyone who uses wireless, eg Walker Wireless, IHUG Ultra,
etc,
has experienced any problems during recent snow falls.
I'm just curious about the reliability of wireless comms because I live in a
rural non-adsl, non-saturn location.

Yuri