Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: Hi folks, snip + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) Regards, Rik Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew (PS - Thanks Wesley for the comments at the last meeting re my wife's peculiarly unstable system. We gave up on the warranty and took it to a local techie. He found that the two 1G RAM modules couldn't function together at 400 MHz; replaced one with a 512M module and [fingers tightly crossed] the system's been rock solid since then on Fedora Core 4 64-bit.)
Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight
I was born there - does that count? Andrew M. Packer wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: Hi folks, snip + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) Regards, Rik Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew (PS - Thanks Wesley for the comments at the last meeting re my wife's peculiarly unstable system. We gave up on the warranty and took it to a local techie. He found that the two 1G RAM modules couldn't function together at 400 MHz; replaced one with a 512M module and [fingers tightly crossed] the system's been rock solid since then on Fedora Core 4 64-bit.)
Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight
Not me, I'm from BlenheimOn 01/03/06, Andrew M. Packer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: Hi folks,snip + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) Regards, RikWho else here is from Nelson? =Andrew(PS - Thanks Wesley for the comments at the last meeting re my wife'speculiarly unstable system.We gave up on the warranty and took it to alocal techie.He found that the two 1G RAM modules couldn't function together at 400 MHz; replaced one with a 512M module and [fingerstightly crossed] the system's been rock solid since then on Fedora Core4 64-bit.)
Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:11:16 +1300 Andrew M. Packer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:02 +1300, Rik Tindall wrote: Hi folks, snip + someone travelling from Nelson to join in! :) Regards, Rik Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew is that the one in Lancashire?
Re: OTish
I use ANTEC. I have in it 4xHDD, 1xFloppy, 1xDVD and 5 bays free. It is a tower case. On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 18:50 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: Can anyone recommend a 3 or 4U rackmount case/supplier that'll take 4 hard disks and a DVD? I can only get Advantech, and they only do 3 disks?
Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:
Steve Holdoway wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/ Interesting to note that it's not gone for gcc 4 yet. Must look into that one. Steve How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile emerge -uDav world Happy Hacking, Robert J. C. Himmelmann
Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:
Steve Holdoway wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/ Interesting to note that it's not gone for gcc 4 yet. Must look into that one. Steve How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile emerge -uDav world Happy Hacking, Robert J. C. Himmelmann
Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 2:22 am, Robert Himmelmann wrote: How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile emerge -uDav world emerge -uDv world keeps you up to date. But if you want to be sure try... The following will keep a system up to date:- emerge --sync emerge -uDpv world Optional: emerge -uDvf world emerge -uDv world emerge -uDv world emerge -pv depclean emerge -v depclean revdep-rebuild -pv revdep-rebuild -v dispatch-conf That basically updates the portage tree, tells me what's involved in updating everything, updates everything, tells me what packages are no longer necessary, removes them, tells me what packages have been broken by an upgrade or removal, and recompiles them. Then dispatch-conf updates my config files for me with minimal intervention. -- Regards, Robert -- Robert Fisher (aka - Rob, Bob, Robbie, Robbo, Fish) FishNet Computer Electrical Services www.fisher.net.nz Phone: 03 383 5807 Mobile: 027 477 3356
OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this context, I take it. Some of the highlights: Understanding the Infectious Effects of Open Source Licences - so they're all bad for you then? 64 As its standard position, all Development Agreements should prohibit the use of any open source code in the supplied software. - so how are we going to develop ( eclipse ), compile ( gcc ), publish ( apache )... it then? It's put me off my morning coffee, that's for sure. http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal Steve. -- Let us have a moment of silence for all Americans who are now stuck in traffic on their way to a health club to ride a stationary bicycle. - Congressman Earl Blumenauer (Oregon)
Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight
Regards, Rik Who else here is from Nelson? =Andrew is that the one in Lancashire? Nay, lad. 'Tis 10k from Pontypridd, half way to Merthyr Tydfil, well away from the daft English.
Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:
Thanks, but I was more worring about the profile. It seems as if that part does not get updated automatically. Robert Fisher wrote: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 2:22 am, Robert Himmelmann wrote: How would I upgrade to the new version? Is the following enough? rm /etc/make.profile ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/amd64/2006.0/ /etc/make.profile emerge -uDav world emerge -uDv world keeps you up to date. But if you want to be sure try... The following will keep a system up to date:- emerge --sync emerge -uDpv world Optional: emerge -uDvf world emerge -uDv world emerge -uDv world emerge -pv depclean emerge -v depclean I rather do that manually as there are some issues with the kde*-meta packages on my system. I usally only want one or two packages from those meta-ones. revdep-rebuild -pv revdep-rebuild -v dispatch-conf I use etc-update for that step That basically updates the portage tree, tells me what's involved in updating everything, updates everything, tells me what packages are no longer necessary, removes them, tells me what packages have been broken by an upgrade or removal, and recompiles them. Then dispatch-conf updates my config files for me with minimal intervention. Happy Hacking, Robert J. C. Himmelmann
RE: OTish
On Thu, March 2, 2006 9:06 am, Craig FALCONER wrote: www.procase.co.nz can do most anything in that line, but they charge for it ~$800 for a bare cheap 5U case from memory. Thanks, I'll look into that one. I'm using some boring tower cases in my rack - two take up about 9 U side by side. Or I can fir four desktop cases in the same space (but less accessible) Do you need it rail-mounted? Cos they normally cost extra too. Considered making your own from drawer runners and some bailing wire? I've got rackmounts - spare ( compaq ) ones even - but this'll just be bolted in. My orifice is just too noisy at the moment, and I need to rebuild my rack and reorganise my servers ( I'm also looking at the ventilate from beneath option for the servers and the borer are helping me with that one (: ), and the upsurge in virtualisation should help me there. Cheers, Steve -- Let us have a moment of silence for all Americans who are now stuck in traffic on their way to a health club to ride a stationary bicycle. - Congressman Earl Blumenauer (Oregon)
Re: OTish
On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:50, you wrote: Can anyone recommend a 3 or 4U rackmount case/supplier that'll take 4 hard disks and a DVD? I can only get Advantech, and they only do 3 disks? Hmm. Many 1U cases will accept two disks, but even if they take only one then you could stack two or four 1U cases to get your four HD installation, and use a slimline DVD in one of the cases. I suppose the problem is how to wire up all the drives if they are in different cases, even if they are stacked next to each other in the same rack. However... Procase is listing a whole bunch of rackmount cases which might suit. The IPC C1D will take 4 drives in removeable trays and a slimline CD/DVD and floppy in 1U! They supply 3U and 4U if you want to use more space... Most of them list a number of 5.25 bays which are accessible from the front, but only a couple, sometimes only one, which is 'internal'. Unless you really want all the drives mounted 'internally' then you should be able to find what you want. Rackmount cases are generally expensive, due to small volumes (ho ho!) but I am sure you will find something suitable, even in New Zealand. Andy
Re: Gentoo 2006.0 released at last (:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 8:59 am, Robert Himmelmann wrote: Thanks, but I was more worring about the profile. It seems as if that part does not get updated automatically. The only thing I update when a new version comes out is my Grub file when the splash themes are updated. * media-gfx/splash-themes-livecd Latest version available: 2005.1 Latest version installed: 2005.1 Size of downloaded files: 12,695 kB Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org/ Description: Gentoo theme for gensplash consoles License: GPL-2
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:53, Steve Holdoway wrote: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this context, I take it. Some of the highlights: Understanding the Infectious Effects of Open Source Licences - so they're all bad for you then? 64 As its standard position, all Development Agreements should prohibit the use of any open source code in the supplied software. - so how are we going to develop ( eclipse ), compile ( gcc ), publish ( apache )... it then? It's put me off my morning coffee, that's for sure. http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal What a load of ignorant poppycock, pure FUD, nothing more nothing less. Why do we have to pay, as a society, for somebody to produce this sort of scare-mongering nonsense. Has he simply been bought? He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, yet he fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial and propriety software actually is in practice? Anybody managed to get a cent out of a commercial software supplier when it fails? He's wanting to increase the costs of running many government operations when the tax base cannot support it. He can't have it both ways. Schools no longer allowed to use Macs eh? Remember that the underlying Darwin O/S is a mixture of BSD and Mach, and is downloadable for free from Apple. Radio New Zealand to take down it's entire WWW operation? It runs on Debian and is created using an Open Source CMS system. -- CS
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
Apparently there's a lot of discussion of this over at NZOSS-openchat, which might be a more appropriate forum. -jim On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 10:38:23AM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Thursday 02 March 2006 08:53, Steve Holdoway wrote: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this context, I take it. Some of the highlights: Understanding the Infectious Effects of Open Source Licences - so they're all bad for you then? 64 As its standard position, all Development Agreements should prohibit the use of any open source code in the supplied software. - so how are we going to develop ( eclipse ), compile ( gcc ), publish ( apache )... it then? It's put me off my morning coffee, that's for sure. http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal What a load of ignorant poppycock, pure FUD, nothing more nothing less. Why do we have to pay, as a society, for somebody to produce this sort of scare-mongering nonsense. Has he simply been bought? He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, yet he fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial and propriety software actually is in practice? Anybody managed to get a cent out of a commercial software supplier when it fails? He's wanting to increase the costs of running many government operations when the tax base cannot support it. He can't have it both ways. Schools no longer allowed to use Macs eh? Remember that the underlying Darwin O/S is a mixture of BSD and Mach, and is downloadable for free from Apple. Radio New Zealand to take down it's entire WWW operation? It runs on Debian and is created using an Open Source CMS system. -- CS
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
The document published at http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal is pure and utter drivel. There is a complete failure to recognise that Application Software is not the same as Data. No licence other than the author's copyright would apply to a document saved in any application, whether it be closed source MS Word or open source OpenOffice. And here's the amazing - totally overwhealming fact that obliterates any ground you are standing on http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.e.govt.nz Your web server is running on Apache, the worlds most-used web server. A stunning example of open source software quietly doing its job without the closed-source FUD that Chapman Tripp have pushed on you. Open mouth, insert foot, repeat.
RE: Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
s/apache/linux/ They're running E-Government Server not apache. I'll just pull my own foot from my mouth there. -Original Message- From: Craig FALCONER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 2 March 2006 11:02 a.m. To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: 'linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz' Subject: Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt The document published at http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal is pure and utter drivel. There is a complete failure to recognise that Application Software is not the same as Data. No licence other than the author's copyright would apply to a document saved in any application, whether it be closed source MS Word or open source OpenOffice. And here's the amazing - totally overwhealming fact that obliterates any ground you are standing on http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.e.govt.nz Your web server is running on Apache, the worlds most-used web server. A stunning example of open source software quietly doing its job without the closed-source FUD that Chapman Tripp have pushed on you. Open mouth, insert foot, repeat.
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Steve Holdoway wrote: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this context, I take it. http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal Microsoft is such an big client of Tripp's, what else did the government expect them to say? http://www.chapmantripp.com/search/?search=microsoftx=0y=0 Track Record Examples 1. Advising Microsoft Corporation on digital copyrigh...15 2. Advising on copyright and intellectual property is...16 3. Acting as general counsel for Microsoft Corporatio...17 4. Acting for Microsoft on a range of issues and tran...18 5. Advising clients on the design, build and leasing ...19 6. Advising Microsoft Corporation on software copyrig...20 7. Advising Microsoft Corporation on a number of e-co...21 eg. Advising Microsoft Corporation on digital copyright, parallel importation and copyright enforcement issues, including submissions to the Ministry of Economic Development and the select committee. Strange, I'm sure they would prepared that guide for free. I hope the NZ govt telecommunications regulatory body doesn't go to this bunch for advice, http://www.chapmantripp.com/search/?search=telecomx=0y=0 John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639 Personal Opinion only.
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
lawyer=Chapman Tripp Assoc if [$ADVICE_SOURCE == $lawyer] while pontificating_about_open_source do open_mouth(); insert_foot(); done fi This code is released under the 'evil' licence. If you believe Chapman Trip's advice to be sound, it would be prudent for you to poke out your eyes with a hot poker and cut off your tongue. After all you do not want to inadvertently breach the terms of the 'evil' licence. Cheers Ross Drummond On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:38, Christopher Sawtell wrote: What a load of ignorant poppycock, pure FUD, nothing more nothing less.
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
For what it's worth, I wrote the PM an Open Letter a few years ago on the cuddle-up-to-Microsoft Government Shared Source policy, which I thought as useful as the proverbial tits-on-a-bull. My main points were security-related, and working with MS stuff on an almost daily basis, I can see that I was being gentle with them. A virus scanner that can't be run as a service (aka daemon)? An updater that can't write to its own folder because it must run in the foreground and as administrator, not as a service in the background of a user session? That's not baroque, it's roccocco. Of course, Microsoft's now up for a dog's-dinner treatment because of some payments they made to a soon-to-be spammer's delight now known as The SCO Group, and IBM wants to know what we all want to know about Microsoft and that fraudulent case. I suspect this is a Vietnam-style de-escalation of that case. I'll have to check Groklaw, and if PJ hasn't heard of this, I'll get onto her to dissect it - laws may change from here to there, but a bad argument is a bad argument whether the sky is blue, gray or white. Wesley Parish Quoting Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this context, I take it. Some of the highlights: Understanding the Infectious Effects of Open Source Licences - so they're all bad for you then? 64 As its standard position, all Development Agreements should prohibit the use of any open source code in the supplied software. - so how are we going to develop ( eclipse ), compile ( gcc ), publish ( apache )... it then? It's put me off my morning coffee, that's for sure. http://www.e.govt.nz/policy/open-source/open-source-legal Steve. -- Let us have a moment of silence for all Americans who are now stuck in traffic on their way to a health club to ride a stationary bicycle. - Congressman Earl Blumenauer (Oregon) Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Christopher Sawtell wrote: He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, yet he fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial and propriety software actually is in practice? Anybody managed to get a cent out of a commercial software supplier when it fails? Pretty much every EULA out there specifically disclaims all warranties. Whether that's actually legal or not is another matter... is software treated the same as hardware as far as the law is concerned? - Dave
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:45 AM, stringer wrote: OK I'm no expert in this area, but as I understand it, even Windows uses some OSS code (eg for its TCP/IP stack?) so clause 64 suggests the government should refuse to use Windows unless the TCP/IP stack is removed? Not such a bad idea. It'd certainly improve security... - Dave
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Christopher Sawtell wrote: He's wanting suppliers to warrant the performance of GPL software, yet he fails to note how (in)effective any supposed warrant of commercial and propriety software actually is in practice? Anybody managed to get a cent out of a commercial software supplier when it fails? Pretty much every EULA out there specifically disclaims all warranties. Whether that's actually legal or not is another matter... is software treated the same as hardware as far as the law is concerned? Well, read up the claims on behalf of Software Patents and you get one picture; read up the squeals of outrage at the thought of taking responsibility for bad software, and you get a completely different picture. Basically you have people taking other people for a ride. Wesley Parish - Dave Sharpened hands are happy hands. Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot! I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
matter... is software treated the same as hardware as far as the law is concerned? In NZ, in theory, yes. In practice, ROTFL It boils down to does it do for the purpose it was bought, which means the buyer would have had to specify the purpose (does anyone?), and I guess nobody has yet fought a legal battle over whether a disease-riddled box still does my email and/or exactly what level of faults are unavoidable. Perhaps we should make it clear to the government that they please present some business who got compensation from Microsoft for their malfunctioning supported software? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Reminder: Freenix Workshop tonight
Ken McAllister wrote: Who else here is from Nelson? is that the one in Lancashire? Nay, lad. 'Tis 10k from Pontypridd, half way to Merthyr Tydfil, well away from the daft English. Tasman (as in Able): an ex NSW-govt-consultant, north american. dedicated. As is Don, to whom a big vote of thanks goes for some challenging ideas. Community Wireless Part 2: Thurs April 6th @Sydenham will demo/aid installation of Clark Connect network boxes, supplying CDs solving gotchas like wireless cards that might need an ndis wrapper. Hands-on session a talk. People can join the project discussion group here: *GNUz http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/gnuz mailing list* Cheers folks, -- Rik Tindall, InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz, on: Ubuntu GNU/Linux 5.04 free OS, 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel, GNOME 2.10.0 desktop OpenOffice.org 1.1.3, Mozilla 1.7.12 email client web browser GIMP 2.2.2 graphics, gedit 2.10.2 web editor, gFTP 2.0.18 file transfer
Re: Dubious securuty?
I meant to say not very discreet,I'll proof read from now on lol. jd wrote: Hello, my names Josh and I'm new to Linux and computers in general and I thought you might be able to help me out on a few things.I was trying to access G.U.I front for my firewall and couldn't also the computer was acting strangely (more than usual, I'm running Fedore Core 4 and want to switch distro's) so I decided to reinstall as I didn't have much to lose.With a fresh installation I was hopeful that the problem would be remedied, all I have downloaded and installed to date are the alsa sound library's and utillity's and the drivers for my onboard sound (realtek, downloaded from the manufacturers site) so I dont think thats the source of the problem.Getting back to the problem, I was looking through my /usr/lib directory and found the following: lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 36 Mar 1 17:51 cracklib_dict.hwm - ../../usr/share/cracklib/pw_dict.hwm lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 36 Mar 1 17:51 cracklib_dict.pwd - ../../usr/share/cracklib/pw_dict.pwd lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 36 Mar 1 17:51 cracklib_dict.pwi - ../../usr/share/cracklib/pw_dict.pwi I used emacs to view the cracklib_dict.pwd file and found a huge list of names, words etc. I'm mostly worried about my computer being used maliciously by a hacker and was hoping you could help me out, any help would be much appreciated. Thankyou, Josh.
Re: Dubious securuty?
On Thursday 02 March 2006 18:34, jd wrote: cracklib_dict This is the list of words which is used to tell the new user if (s)he has selected a readily crackable password when setting up her account. It's there for your protection. -- CS
Re: Dubious securuty?
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Thursday 02 March 2006 18:34, jd wrote: cracklib_dict This is the list of words which is used to tell the new user if (s)he has selected a readily crackable password when setting up her account. It's there for your protection. Thank you for taking the time out to answer a paranoid novices question. I would still would like to change distributions. Could anyone give me recommendations and possibly sell me a distribution.Also make some recommendations on Linux/computer courses, I obviously have a lot to learn. Thank you again, Josh.
Re: Dubious securuty?
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: Thank you for taking the time out to answer a paranoid novices question. I would still would like to change distributions. Could anyone give me recommendations and possibly sell me a distribution. Your average distribution is down-loadable from the respective websites. For a novice I strongly suggest Ubuntu (or Kubuntu depending upon your preference of GNOME vs KDE). --Slosh
Re: Dubious securuty?
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: Could anyone give me recommendations ...? Thank you again, Josh. I like Ubuntu. I have a few CDs to give away but they're out of date. Are people in general receiving the latest mail-out of free discs?
Re: Dubious securuty?
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 7:13 pm, Ken McAllister wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 19:04 +1300, jd wrote: Could anyone give me recommendations ...? Thank you again, Josh. I like Ubuntu. I have a few CDs to give away but they're out of date. Are people in general receiving the latest mail-out of free discs? I am currently downloading the latest Mepis CD. I like Mepis. It is easy to install and good with hardware detection. Let me know if you want a CD burnt. -- Regards, Robert -- Robert Fisher (aka - Rob, Bob, Robbie, Robbo, Fish) FishNet Computer Electrical Services www.fisher.net.nz Phone: 03 383 5807 Mobile: 027 477 3356
Re: OSS policy recommendations to the NZ govt
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 08:53 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: This piece was brought to my attention by /. this morning. What it's a piece of, I'm not too sure. IMO Chapmann Tripp should be shot for using such inflammatory language, but I suppose that without any licenses to write, they'd be going out of business. Altruism isn't a word they understand in this context, I take it. Oh? You mean the chaps that are Microsoft's counsel for copyright enforcement in New Zealand? Yeah, heard of them... Vik :v)
