paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Wesley Parish
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1458 ttl=55 time=4608 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1459 ttl=55 time=3615 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1460 ttl=55 time=2623 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1461 ttl=55 time=1644 ms
--
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=26 ttl=55 time=5928 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=27 ttl=55 
time=4480 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=28 ttl=55 time=3487 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=29 ttl=55 
time=7652 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=30 ttl=55 
time=7016 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=31 ttl=55 
time=6888 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=32 ttl=55 
time=5341 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=33 ttl=55 
time=4452 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=34 ttl=55 
time=8980 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=35 ttl=55 time=13389 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=36 ttl=55 time=13589 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=37 ttl=55 
time=14956 ms

Anybody else getting this sort of crap from paradise.net.nz?

I've been getting it for two nights now, and I'm getting sick of it.

Wesley Parish
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impossible are equal to each other.  Guerrilla 
warfare means up to their monkey tricks. 
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Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread yuri
2008/9/20 Wesley Parish wrote:
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1458 ttl=55 time=4608 ms
[snip]
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=37 ttl=55
 time=14956 ms

 Anybody else getting this sort of crap from paradise.net.nz?

 I've been getting it for two nights now, and I'm getting sick of it.

I get:

PING www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
time=78.7 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53
time=80.1 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53
time=78.3 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=4 ttl=53
time=81.5 ms

--- www.paradise.net.nz ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3017ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 78.349/79.713/81.578/1.309 ms

I'm with Orcon. They're OK when my ADSL connection isn't down (which
is too often but I haven't tested with another router).

Yuri


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Steve
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:09:24 +1200
Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=36 ttl=55 time=13589 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=37 ttl=55 
 time=14956 ms
 
 Anybody else getting this sort of crap from paradise.net.nz?
 
 I've been getting it for two nights now, and I'm getting sick of it.
 
 Wesley Parish
Does ifconfig show any errors, or does a 3 fingered salute to the router help??

-- 
Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Wesley Parish
Quoting Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:09:24 +1200
 Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=36 ttl=55 time=13589 ms
  64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=37 ttl=55
 
  time=14956 ms
  
  Anybody else getting this sort of crap from paradise.net.nz?
  
  I've been getting it for two nights now, and I'm getting sick of it.
  
  Wesley Parish
 Does ifconfig show any errors, or does a 3 fingered salute to the router
 help??

I'm on dialup - one of the people supporting telstra-clear's gambling on the
investment markets and government bailouts, I expect.

ifconfig:

ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
  inet addr:210.246.27.44  P-t-P:202.0.46.83  Mask:255.255.255.255
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:1159 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:1379 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
  RX bytes:641637 (626.5 KiB)  TX bytes:196778 (192.1 KiB)

Looks okay to me.  I'm thinking it's probably also telecom's gambling on the
investment markets and government bailouts - ie, their total lack of interest in
maintaining their copper megamiles for which they are so happy to take an arm
and a leg for.

But I've already lost two goes at downloading the zarafa source code - a mere 2
megabytes.  And it's starting to piss me off royally.  I'll probably ring up
both telstraclear and telecom in the morning and give them rockets about their
incompetence.

Wesley Parish
 
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Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands 
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other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Christopher Sawtell
 But I've already lost two goes at downloading the zarafa source code - a mere 
 2
 megabytes.  And it's starting to piss me off royally.  I'll probably ring up
 both telstraclear and telecom in the morning and give them rockets about their
 incompetence.

But it was mentioned on either /. or LWN earlier today, I can't
remember which. So I'm not at all surprised that the connection is
flakey.

I'll get it for you if you want.

On 9/20/08, Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Quoting Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:09:24 +1200
 Wesley Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=36 ttl=55 time=13589 ms
  64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=37 ttl=55

  time=14956 ms
 
  Anybody else getting this sort of crap from paradise.net.nz?
 
  I've been getting it for two nights now, and I'm getting sick of it.
 
  Wesley Parish
 Does ifconfig show any errors, or does a 3 fingered salute to the router
 help??

 I'm on dialup - one of the people supporting telstra-clear's gambling on the
 investment markets and government bailouts, I expect.

 ifconfig:

 ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
   inet addr:210.246.27.44  P-t-P:202.0.46.83  Mask:255.255.255.255
   UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
   RX packets:1159 errors:1 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
   TX packets:1379 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
   collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
   RX bytes:641637 (626.5 KiB)  TX bytes:196778 (192.1 KiB)

 Looks okay to me.  I'm thinking it's probably also telecom's gambling on the
 investment markets and government bailouts - ie, their total lack of
 interest in
 maintaining their copper megamiles for which they are so happy to take an
 arm
 and a leg for.

 But I've already lost two goes at downloading the zarafa source code - a
 mere 2
 megabytes.  And it's starting to piss me off royally.  I'll probably ring up
 both telstraclear and telecom in the morning and give them rockets about
 their
 incompetence.

 Wesley Parish

 --
 Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]




 Sharpened hands are happy hands.
 Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands
 - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge

 I me.  Shape middled me.  I would come out into hot!
 I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the
 other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press



-- 
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Sat 20 Sep 2008 23:32:36 NZST +1200, Wesley Parish wrote:

 But I've already lost two goes at downloading the zarafa source code - a mere 
 2
 megabytes.  And it's starting to piss me off royally.  I'll probably ring up
 both telstraclear and telecom in the morning and give them rockets about their
 incompetence.

Unfortunately, giving the call centre droid an earful about their
employer's incompetence isn't likely to achieve much. It's not that
person's fault. A formal compaint might get escalated, but then some
statistics to back it up with would add a lot of weight. Failure to
download 2MB twice in a row is pretty bad, but if you've tried that only
with one and the same server you know as well as I do what the obvious
reply is going to be, and we both know it's the correct one too.

Telstra cable is going fine, but that's not helping you.

Volker

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http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Nick Rout
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Wesley Parish
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1458 ttl=55 time=4608 ms
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1459 ttl=55 time=3615 ms
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1460 ttl=55 time=2623 ms
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1461 ttl=55 time=1644 ms
 --
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=26 ttl=55 time=5928 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=27 ttl=55
 time=4480 ms
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=28 ttl=55 time=3487 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=29 ttl=55
 time=7652 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=30 ttl=55
 time=7016 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=31 ttl=55
 time=6888 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=32 ttl=55
 time=5341 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=33 ttl=55
 time=4452 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=34 ttl=55
 time=8980 ms
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=35 ttl=55 time=13389 ms
 64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=36 ttl=55 time=13589 ms
 64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=37 ttl=55
 time=14956 ms

 Anybody else getting this sort of crap from paradise.net.nz?

 I've been getting it for two nights now, and I'm getting sick of it.

 Wesley Parish

no, from my woosh account:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping www.paradise.net.nz
PING www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53
time=107 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53
time=163 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53
time=128 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=4 ttl=53
time=159 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=5 ttl=53
time=178 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=6 ttl=53
time=170 ms
64 bytes from www.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.127): icmp_seq=7 ttl=53
time=150 ms

--- www.paradise.net.nz ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 5999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 107.125/151.071/178.587/23.311 ms


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Ross Drummond
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Nick Rout wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Wesley Parish

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1458 ttl=55 time=4608 ms
  64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1459 ttl=55 time=3615 ms
  64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1460 ttl=55 time=2623 ms
  64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1461 ttl=55 time=1644 ms
  --

Wesley try this;

ping -c 1 -R paradise.net.nz

-R Record   route.Includes   the  RECORD_ROUTE  option  in  the
   ECHO_REQUEST packet and displays the route  buffer  on  returned
   packets.   Note that the IP header is only large enough for nine
   such routes.  Many hosts ignore or discard this option.

If your ISP supports this you can see the hop's taken to reach paradise,then 
you can test each hop with a ping to check latency.

Cheers Ross Drummond


Re: paradise dicey

2008-09-20 Thread Derek Smithies

Hi,
 Even better, try traceroute

This reports the time for each leg of the route taken by the icmp packets.

This verifies there is (or is not) a problem in your setup.

Derek.
==
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Ross Drummond wrote:


On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Nick Rout wrote:

On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Wesley Parish

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1458 ttl=55 time=4608 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1459 ttl=55 time=3615 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1460 ttl=55 time=2623 ms
64 bytes from 203.96.152.127: icmp_seq=1461 ttl=55 time=1644 ms
--


Wesley try this;

ping -c 1 -R paradise.net.nz

-R Record   route.Includes   the  RECORD_ROUTE  option  in  the
  ECHO_REQUEST packet and displays the route  buffer  on  returned
  packets.   Note that the IP header is only large enough for nine
  such routes.  Many hosts ignore or discard this option.

If your ISP supports this you can see the hop's taken to reach paradise,then
you can test each hop with a ping to check latency.

Cheers Ross Drummond




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IndraNet Technologies Ltd.
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