Re: adsl queries...

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Hadley Rich  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 17:35 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> > I'd love to know of any make and models of modern routers that have
> > been proven to not have these problems, especially on an office
> > configuration with 10+ users.
>
> I'd recommend looking at the Draytek range (disclaimer, yes we sell
> them).
>
> The DV120 is a great little box that can do PPPoA to PPPoE bridging (not
> a half bridge DHCP hack) so you can use a Linux box or whatever other
> solid hardware to do all the routing etc.
>
> We use a DV2700e (only because the DV120 wasn't available back then) to
> do the same with an OpenWRT box behind it and it's solid.
>
> hads
> --
> http://nicegear.co.nz
> New Zealand Open Source Hardware Supplier
>
>
>

Cheers, I'll definitely have to look them up, especially as I just
discovered their manufacturer does something I've always wanted done, a live
preview of what the interface looks like so I don't have to worry so much
about a big list of effectively meaningless specifications.

Anything that lets me have the option of using it as a dumb-relay gets +1
because thats pretty awesome. This Nokia does that really nicely.

-- 
Kent

Re: adsl queries...

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Dale DuRose  wrote:

> Ive ever had any trouble with linksys routers.
>
> Kent Fredric wrote:
>
>
I thought they were supposed to be good, however, the model we had was one
of the ones that needed constant rebooting :(

Probably a result of getting something lower end, but not only did it need
constant rebooting, but the web interface it had was overly dumbed down and
it simply wouldn't let me do the things I wanted to do.  ( Such as change it
from distributing its own DNS server to DHCP clients to letting me
distribute a different one ).


-- 
Kent

Re: adsl queries...

[Hadley Rich]

On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 17:35 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
> I'd love to know of any make and models of modern routers that have
> been proven to not have these problems, especially on an office
> configuration with 10+ users. 

I'd recommend looking at the Draytek range (disclaimer, yes we sell
them).

The DV120 is a great little box that can do PPPoA to PPPoE bridging (not
a half bridge DHCP hack) so you can use a Linux box or whatever other
solid hardware to do all the routing etc.

We use a DV2700e (only because the DV120 wasn't available back then) to
do the same with an OpenWRT box behind it and it's solid.

hads
-- 
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New Zealand Open Source Hardware Supplier

Re: adsl queries...

[Dale DuRose]

Ive ever had any trouble with linksys routers.

Kent Fredric wrote:


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Craig Falconer 
mailto:cfalco...@totalteam.co.nz>> wrote:



You're generally better with a router IMO.  (as long as its not a
sodding thomson POS (long story which will end with an axe and
fire once I get a replacement))

-- 
Craig Falconer



The current routers available on the market have left me unimpressed, 
I've tried about 4 different brands and they've all had the same 
problems, constantly crashing, needing rebooting, and rendering 
various services inoperable ( HTTP servers on them stops working, DNS 
Relay stops working , that sort of general malaise )


I got an old school Nokia M1122 from a friend which is so rugged it 
has an uptime counter that hit 120 days and only got rebooted when my 
ISP had to actually have a listed service outage. Its old and crusty, 
and I haven't gotten it to connect over 6000kbits, but it does 
*everything* I want and none of the rubbish and arm flailing I've 
gotten with other routers.


I'd love to know of any make and models of modern routers that have 
been proven to not have these problems, especially on an office 
configuration with 10+ users.


( One model at a place I worked was so bad it literally needed hourly 
reboots with a 5 minute down time just to get anything done, at the 
time we put it down to faults in the underlying service or just 
something that happens, but now I know better ) 


--
Kent

Re: adsl queries...

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Craig Falconer
wrote:

>
> You're generally better with a router IMO.  (as long as its not a sodding
> thomson POS (long story which will end with an axe and fire once I get a
> replacement))
>
> --
> Craig Falconer
>
>
The current routers available on the market have left me unimpressed, I've
tried about 4 different brands and they've all had the same problems,
constantly crashing, needing rebooting, and rendering various services
inoperable ( HTTP servers on them stops working, DNS Relay stops working ,
that sort of general malaise )

I got an old school Nokia M1122 from a friend which is so rugged it has an
uptime counter that hit 120 days and only got rebooted when my ISP had to
actually have a listed service outage. Its old and crusty, and I haven't
gotten it to connect over 6000kbits, but it does *everything* I want and
none of the rubbish and arm flailing I've gotten with other routers.

I'd love to know of any make and models of modern routers that have been
proven to not have these problems, especially on an office configuration
with 10+ users.

( One model at a place I worked was so bad it literally needed hourly
reboots with a 5 minute down time just to get anything done, at the time we
put it down to faults in the underlying service or just something that
happens, but now I know better )

-- 
Kent

Re: Time to upgrade - 64bit?

[Kent Fredric]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Ben Aitchison  wrote:

>
>
> I've been using 64 bit Windows 7 and 64 bit Ubuntu for a while now.  I've
> had more concerns with 64 bit support in Windows than Linux by far.  And in
> Windows I have *one* 64 bit application that I use that doesn't come with
> Windows - Putty - Which doesn't even need to be 64 bit.
>
> At first I had to use a 32 bit web browser in Linux.  Then opera had a 64
> bit
> version with support for 32 bit flash.  Then there was finally a 64 bit
> flash.
>
> Now everything is peachy.
>
> That said, I'm still not sure how much benefit you really get ;)
>
> Ben.
>

And if you swing that way, Java finally got around to releasing a 64bit
version with a working browser plugin!

So you can finally see the buttons on those awful sites that use Java
Applets for every button.


-- 
Kent

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[chris]

The Adata 16 gig stick has for me, but slow on writes
regards Chris Thomas
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 14:38 +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> Do all USB memory sticks available now-a-days work properly as bootable 
> devices?
> 
> What about SD cards?
> 

Re: adsl queries...

[Kerry]

On Wednesday 29 April 2009 14:45:02 Craig Falconer wrote:
> Steve Holdoway wrote, On 29/04/09 14:30:
> > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:25:12 +1200
> >
> > Craig Falconer  wrote:
> >> Steve Holdoway wrote, On 29/04/09 11:58:
> >>> Does anyone know of a pci / pci-e adsl card that's certified for
> >>> Telecom use that runs with linux???
> >>
> >> No sorry - there's a PCI card here which I've never used.  NFI if it
> >> works with anything.  Probably ADSL 1 only
> >
> > I do love telecon sometimes!
> >
> >> You're generally better with a router IMO.  (as long as its not a
> >> sodding thomson POS (long story which will end with an axe and fire once
> >> I get a replacement))
> >
> > Not a speedtouch 510??? Mine's run without a hitch for years and years
> > now!
>
> No - they're awesome.  The thomsons that telecom are now giving away
> instead of the dkinks - they're crap.  Can't do an inwards port forward,
> the provided software assumes 192.168.1.x/24 and my favourite is the
> "test the internet - diagnostics" web page...  Telecom's DNS servers
> don't do ICMP so the tests fail and it reports "INTERNET IS BROKE"
>
> Anyway the modem IS telepermitted.  Its a Dlink DSL-100D PCI card and
> the chip is an ITEX i90388E

Mine wasn't so awesome, I change to Telecom after they upgraded in my area and 
none of the three routers (POS Dlink's mind) would talk nicely with the rest 
of the world, Had to go all the way out to the airport to pick it up as no one 
heard the courier knocking on the front door, then it worked for a day then 
packed up, then took two days to get a technician out to look at it, spent a 
couple of minutes looking then stated it was stuffed, he said they weren't very 
good and he's seen quite a few stuffed ones - although mine was the first one 
acting like disco lights he had seen. Fortunately the replacement is working 
fine so far

Regards,
Kerry

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Craig Falconer]

Christopher Sawtell wrote, On 29/04/09 14:38:

Do all USB memory sticks available now-a-days work properly as bootable devices?
What about SD cards?


Almost the same thing - cardreaders tend to be USB attached.

Basically all new machines can boot off USB.  I've got a P3 1GHz compaq 
that can boot USB too, and that's ~8 years old.






--
Craig Falconer

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[John Carter]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Christopher Sawtell wrote:


Do all USB memory sticks available now-a-days work properly as
 bootable devices?


I think the answer is "Yes, wrong question."

All USB sticks work as bootable devices on those newish systems whose bios's
understand the notion of booting from USB.


What about SD cards?


If you bios understands the notion of booting from the sd card reader.


John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639
Tait ElectronicsFax   : (64)(3) 359 4632
PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : john.car...@tait.co.nz
New Zealand

Re: adsl queries...

[Craig Falconer]

Steve Holdoway wrote, On 29/04/09 14:30:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:25:12 +1200
Craig Falconer  wrote:


Steve Holdoway wrote, On 29/04/09 11:58:

Does anyone know of a pci / pci-e adsl card that's certified for Telecom use 
that runs with linux???
No sorry - there's a PCI card here which I've never used.  NFI if it 
works with anything.  Probably ADSL 1 only

I do love telecon sometimes!
You're generally better with a router IMO.  (as long as its not a 
sodding thomson POS (long story which will end with an axe and fire once 
I get a replacement))

Not a speedtouch 510??? Mine's run without a hitch for years and years now!


No - they're awesome.  The thomsons that telecom are now giving away 
instead of the dkinks - they're crap.  Can't do an inwards port forward, 
the provided software assumes 192.168.1.x/24 and my favourite is the 
"test the internet - diagnostics" web page...  Telecom's DNS servers 
don't do ICMP so the tests fail and it reports "INTERNET IS BROKE"


Anyway the modem IS telepermitted.  Its a Dlink DSL-100D PCI card and 
the chip is an ITEX i90388E



--
Craig Falconer

RE: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Payne, Owen]

I think the question should be "Do all bios have the ability to boot usb
sticks properly?" 

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:csawt...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 2:38 pm
To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

Do all USB memory sticks available now-a-days work properly as bootable
devices?

What about SD cards?

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Christopher Sawtell

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Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Christopher Sawtell]

Do all USB memory sticks available now-a-days work properly as bootable devices?

What about SD cards?

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Re: adsl queries...

[Steve Holdoway]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:25:12 +1200
Craig Falconer  wrote:

> Steve Holdoway wrote, On 29/04/09 11:58:
> > Does anyone know of a pci / pci-e adsl card that's certified for Telecom 
> > use that runs with linux???
> 
> No sorry - there's a PCI card here which I've never used.  NFI if it 
> works with anything.  Probably ADSL 1 only
I do love telecon sometimes!
> 
> You're generally better with a router IMO.  (as long as its not a 
> sodding thomson POS (long story which will end with an axe and fire once 
> I get a replacement))
Not a speedtouch 510??? Mine's run without a hitch for years and years now!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Craig Falconer
> 
Cheers,

Steve

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Re: adsl queries...

[Craig Falconer]

Steve Holdoway wrote, On 29/04/09 11:58:

Does anyone know of a pci / pci-e adsl card that's certified for Telecom use 
that runs with linux???


No sorry - there's a PCI card here which I've never used.  NFI if it 
works with anything.  Probably ADSL 1 only


You're generally better with a router IMO.  (as long as its not a 
sodding thomson POS (long story which will end with an axe and fire once 
I get a replacement))



--
Craig Falconer

Re: Time to upgrade - 64bit?

[Ben Aitchison]

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 01:03:47PM +1200, Phill Coxon wrote:
> It's time for me to upgrade my main desktop - currently running 8.04
> 32bit - I've been waiting for KDE 4 to become more usable on a day to
> day basis. 
> 
> I'm going to upgrade to k/ubuntu 9.04 64bit. 
> 
> Just wondering if there are any remaining significant issues with 64bit
> on Ubuntu these days? 
> 
> Looks like most things are covered these days - skype, flash plugin
> etc. 
> 
> Thanks!
 
I've been using 64 bit Windows 7 and 64 bit Ubuntu for a while now.  I've
had more concerns with 64 bit support in Windows than Linux by far.  And in
Windows I have *one* 64 bit application that I use that doesn't come with
Windows - Putty - Which doesn't even need to be 64 bit.

At first I had to use a 32 bit web browser in Linux.  Then opera had a 64 bit
version with support for 32 bit flash.  Then there was finally a 64 bit flash.

Now everything is peachy.

That said, I'm still not sure how much benefit you really get ;)

Ben.

Re: adsl queries...

[Nick Rout]

I have one. and don't need it


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve Holdoway  wrote:
> Does anyone know of a pci / pci-e adsl card that's certified for Telecom use 
> that runs with linux???
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve
> --
> Steve Holdoway 
> http://www.greengecko.co.nz
>

Re: Time to upgrade - 64bit?

[Steve Holdoway]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:03:47 +1200
Phill Coxon  wrote:

> It's time for me to upgrade my main desktop - currently running 8.04
> 32bit - I've been waiting for KDE 4 to become more usable on a day to
> day basis. 
> 
> I'm going to upgrade to k/ubuntu 9.04 64bit. 
> 
> Just wondering if there are any remaining significant issues with 64bit
> on Ubuntu these days? 
> 
> Looks like most things are covered these days - skype, flash plugin
> etc. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
Wouldn't know about skype, but the 64 bt flash alpha from adobe seems to work 
fine for me. The gnash, etc alternatives however, do not and just suck all the 
resources out of my pc ):

Steve
-- 
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http://www.greengecko.co.nz

adsl queries...

[Steve Holdoway]

Does anyone know of a pci / pci-e adsl card that's certified for Telecom use 
that runs with linux???

Cheers,

Steve
-- 
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http://www.greengecko.co.nz

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Aidan Gauland]

He said "likely to run on any random computer", not "help me crack any random 
computer". :)


Payne, Owen wrote:
And then there's backtrack of course. 


-Original Message-
From: Ross Drummond [mailto:r...@ashburton.co.nz] 
What I am after is likely to run on any $RANDOM computer, offers a

browser and capability of connecting to the internet, has a small
writable space, and as a bonus is able to use a $RANDOM printer it
encounters.

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Aidan Gauland]

Ross Drummond wrote:
Does the group have any suggestions for what to run on a USB stick as a live 
Linux system?


Debian Live sounds promising...

...I haven't tried it yet, but I want to.

 -Aidan

RE: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Payne, Owen]

On a daily use basis I find it a very usable system. Open office, a
browser, a mail client and some troubleshooting tools. It's quick to
boot and runs well on even minimal systems, and it's not for the other
features it includes. I tried a few others before settling on this one.
The ubuntu usb utility was easy to use and created a nice system but I
found it a little slow. Puppy on a stick is one of the better ones I
found along with Knoppix. 

-Original Message-
From: Aidan Gauland [mailto:wgsil...@no8wireless.co.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 11:15 am
To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

He said "likely to run on any random computer", not "help me crack any
random computer". :)

Payne, Owen wrote:
> And then there's backtrack of course. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ross Drummond [mailto:r...@ashburton.co.nz] What I am after is 
> likely to run on any $RANDOM computer, offers a browser and capability

> of connecting to the internet, has a small writable space, and as a 
> bonus is able to use a $RANDOM printer it encounters.

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Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Edwin Flores]

I have been using Puppy Linux for several years - it just works.
 
Very easy to install on USB stick, SD card, or live CD.
I use it on my home desktop, laptops, eeePC, and work desktop when I get pd 
off with our LAN security.
...and its fast!
 
Try this link:
http://www.puppylinux.org/
 
cheers,
Edwin
 
PS. of course if you lose the USB key - everything's gone :-(
 
 

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RE: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Payne, Owen]

And then there's backtrack of course. 

-Original Message-
From: Ross Drummond [mailto:r...@ashburton.co.nz] 
Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2009 5:02 pm
To: CLUG mailing list
Subject: Linux on USB stick recommendations

Does the group have any suggestions for what to run on a USB stick as a
live Linux system?

What I am after is likely to run on any $RANDOM computer, offers a
browser and capability of connecting to the internet, has a small
writable space, and as a bonus is able to use a $RANDOM printer it
encounters.

I have a USB stick with System Rescue on it which works well, but it is
not designed for desk-top type tasks.

Cheers Ross Drummond

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Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Craig Falconer]

Craig Falconer wrote, On 29/04/09 09:01:
Knoppix is getting old and tired - it hasn't been updated for several 
years (5.1.1 is the last I have)


After looking - v6.0.1 is the latest knoppix.  Sorry about that.


Nick Elder showed me Puppy, and its got a lot of good stuff, and fits on 
a 128 MB pen drive.  Its desktop oriented not a super rescue disk.



--
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Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Craig Falconer]

Steve Holdoway wrote, On 28/04/09 17:39:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:02:05 +1200
Ross Drummond  wrote:
Does the group have any suggestions for what to run on a USB stick as a live 
Linux system?




Knoppix gets my vote... stuff the DVD version on one.


Knoppix is getting old and tired - it hasn't been updated for several 
years (5.1.1 is the last I have)



Nick Elder showed me Puppy, and its got a lot of good stuff, and fits on 
a 128 MB pen drive.  Its desktop oriented not a super rescue disk.




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Christchurch NZPUG Meetup This Friday 01 May

[Tim Knapp]

Hi all,

If you're subscribed to the NZPUG mailing list you may've heard about
Alex Dong's trip to NZ a little while back. Here's an excerpt from his
personal page[1]:


Founder of Haokanbu: (Nov. 2006 to Nov. 2008) China's largest photo
blogging service. Recruit and grow a highly talented engineering team.
Lived through all the startup roller roasters. Particularly in growing
the site from one server to 11 CentOS 64-bit boxes. Technologies: django
on lighttpd, mogilefs for distributed cache, memcache for distributed
cache, perlbal for load balancing, squid for front-end cache and S3 as
backup storage.


And Alex has graciously agreed to give us a preso this coming Friday at
the usual spot. So please come along! This is a great opportunity for us
NZers as we probably haven't had to develop an app that approaches the
kind of scale Alex has dealt with.

Details of the event follow:

Date: 01 May 2009
Time: 5:30-7:30pm
URL: http://nzpug.org/MeetingsChristchurch/May2009
Talks:
  * Alex Dong: Alex's Adventures Developing http://www.haokanbu.com
(10 App Server Farm Anyone?)

Costs:
As per our last meeting we'll order some pizzas on the night and get
some donations (usually a few dollars) towards this then.

RSVP:
As per previous meetups, please send an email to  to let me know, so we can make plans for after preso
nibbles/etc.

Look forward to seeing you all there!

Kind regards,
Tim

[1] http://www.alexdong.com

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Aidan Gauland]

Philip Charles wrote:

What I am after is likely to run on any $RANDOM computer, offers a
browser and capability of connecting to the internet, has a small
writable space, and as a bonus is able to use a $RANDOM printer it
encounters.


Install Debian.  No compressed file system.  This means that it can be 
updated and modified as required.  Debian is what I have used, should 
work with other distros as well.


Will Debian installed on a USB stick work on any random computer?  (Provided 
that it's the right architecture, of course.)  I've wanted what Ross is after 
for a long time.


 -Aidan

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Jim Cheetham]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ross Drummond  wrote:
> Does the group have any suggestions for what to run on a USB stick as a live
> Linux system?

Ubuntu -- 9.04 (and possibly earlier) has a menu option
"System|Administration|USB Startup Disk Creator" that puts a bootable
distro onto a USB key, including an optional section for permanent
document storage.

-jim

Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Wesley Parish]

On Tuesday 28 April 2009 17:39, Steve Holdoway wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:02:05 +1200
>
> Ross Drummond  wrote:
> > Does the group have any suggestions for what to run on a USB stick as a
> > live Linux system?
> >
> > What I am after is likely to run on any $RANDOM computer, offers a
> > browser and capability of connecting to the internet, has a small
> > writable space, and as a bonus is able to use a $RANDOM printer it
> > encounters.
> >
> > I have a USB stick with System Rescue on it which works well, but it is
> > not designed for desk-top type tasks.
> >
> > Cheers Ross Drummond
>
> Knoppix gets my vote... stuff the DVD version on one.

FWIW, I've just put the Knoppix 6.1 DVD on the St Albans Linux PC; so if you 
want to try it, just drop on in and ask to copy it.  The Linux PC is the one 
called Caledonian, and it runs PC LinuxOS 2007.

Wesley Parish
>
> Steve

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Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Philip Charles]

On Tuesday 28 April 2009, Aidan Gauland wrote:
> Philip Charles wrote:
> >> What I am after is likely to run on any $RANDOM computer, offers a
> >> browser and capability of connecting to the internet, has a small
> >> writable space, and as a bonus is able to use a $RANDOM printer it
> >> encounters.
> >
> > Install Debian.  No compressed file system.  This means that it can
> > be updated and modified as required.  Debian is what I have used,
> > should work with other distros as well.
>
> Will Debian installed on a USB stick work on any random computer? 
> (Provided that it's the right architecture, of course.)  I've wanted
> what Ross is after for a long time.
>
>   -Aidan

Short answer, yes.  I supply such usb sticks.  UUIDs need to be used to 
identify the partitions on the stick.  A boot CD is needed for older 
systems that will not boot from the stick.  The Copyleft version has been 
tested on a wide range of hardware, eeepc up.  The way to go.

Phil.

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Re: Linux on USB stick recommendations

[Hadley Rich]

On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 20:18 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote:
> Ubuntu -- 9.04 (and possibly earlier) has a menu option
> "System|Administration|USB Startup Disk Creator" that puts a bootable
> distro onto a USB key, including an optional section for permanent
> document storage.

It's in 8.10 and possibly 8.04

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