[ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
ok i'll be honest. i am a OS/2 user (actually dos 6.22) with no clue of windows and *linux* if it makes you happy. It's not about making anyone ``happy, its about what you say and what you stand for. Gimme a break and be practical.. use the right tool for the job and stop being a GNU/Linux fanboi.. and while you are at it, stop calling it GNU/Linux as well.. simply 'linux' does the trick. Don't get me wrong, I love linux.. it gives me and my family lunch, dinner, an occasional drink and a good life. I am a linux user/admin, not a slave. A lot of us here too earn a living out of GNU/Linux. In assuming you are a ``slave you are forgetting what the entire movement was all about. Freedom is responsibility.. freedom is letting others do what they choose. Freedom is NOT using things/encouraging(directly or indirectly) which take freedom away from you and others. Freedom is NOT choosing your toothpaste, freedom is choosing whether you want to brush at all (ok bad example) as long as others don't get affected by bad breath. Sigh, maybe i went to the wrong school. try visiting gnu.org If you fit the requirements and are interested, then send me your profile preferably in plaintext (but .doc and .odt are welcome as well). you still don't get it. Why must you welcome .doc AT ALL? Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
If you fit the requirements and are interested, then send me your profile preferably in plaintext (but .doc and .odt are welcome as well). i find it HIGHLY OFFENSIVE that you are encouraging the use of a .doc file format in a GNU/Linux mailing list. Even if your mail is tagged as commercial. Some people don't have the luxury of being able to enforce that their resume will always be sent using open formats. The kind of people whose resumes will be sent in through recruitment agencies. Live with it. You don't have to like it, it just happens to be a fact of life. If we sit and ``Live with it nothing will ever change. If we want a better society, we HAVE to make it very clear what is NOT the way to go. Call me a naive idealist if you want, but if i see something that i don't agree with i'll make it a point to say it. It may be a ``fact of life now, but if we don't do anything to change it, it will remain so. Not opposing something that is evil is not the same as supporting evil, but it indirectly contributes to evil persisting. Take a simple case, You have company and advertize for jobs, you INSIST on ODT or any open standard for accepting resumes. Then come what may people(including placement agencies) WILL use that format to send a resume to you. Who know's in the process they ``might just have a moment of clarity in which they'll realize that there's more that just what's followed. And that is the 1st step. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
Vihan Pandey wrote: Freedom is NOT using things/encouraging(directly or indirectly) which take freedom away from you and others. 1. Freedom means STFU when someone says EOT. 2. Freedom is not about *YOU*, real freedom is about *OTHERS* 3. EOT 4. Refer point 1. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
Sometime Today, VP cobbled together some glyphs to say: You have company and advertize for jobs, you INSIST on ODT or any open standard for accepting resumes. Then come what may people(including placement agencies) WILL use that format to send a resume to you. Who know's No they won't. I've done this in the past, and I've received resumes in .doc format, and I've written back telling the candidate that their application wasn't considered because I couldn't read their resume. for the record, I actually cannot read .doc or .ppt files because OoO on my FreeBSD 4.11 box causes a kernel panic everytime I start it up. I use gnumeric to open .xls files, which is fine because spreadsheets are cool. -- The Librarian had seen many weird things in his time, but that had to be the 57th strangest. [footnote: he had a tidy mind] (Moving Pictures) -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Moderation of Commercial threads (inspired by: Linux expert with a monitoring background required)
Sometime on Tuesday 19 December 2006 11:39, Vinayak Hegde wrote: There is no need for moderation. If you are bothered by it you can filter the mail yourself. I see that you have a gmail account. You can create a filter with To: linuxers@mm.glug-bom.org and has the words Commercial in the subject/mail add add a tag called likely spam. Then delete the mails Please, for god sake do not mark *any* email delivered from server as spam. A month back we were facing a problem where Yahoo Mail was filtering all list emails into spam folder. If filtering is required then write meaningful filters please. Anurag -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] as low as it gets: P2-350, 64 MB, 4 GB
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 06:42, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 18-Dec-06, at 11:26 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: I've had a minimal box on Celeron 500 MHz albeit with much more RAM (192 MB). It used to run KDE/Gnome a little slowly and XFCe was quite good. Blackbox was fast as a storm. for the last three years i have been comfortably running mandrake 10 on a celeron 400 with 96 mb ram and 4 gb harddisk. Including Oo, zope, apache, postgresql and what have you. On Kde. Little slow to load Oo, but ok after it loads Pentium 1 166MHz MMX. 64MB RAM. 1G of HDD. OS Debian Sarge 3.1. Runs everything just fine. Haven't tried running X but from the looks of it, it should run GNOME without much lag. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Google Earth problem.
ubuntu 6.06 ... On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:37:19 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18-Dec-06, at 10:50 PM, Sachin Nambiar wrote: I recently installed Google Earth and iam unable to change the display to show up completely to my desktop resolution (1280x1024). It just shows up half way. which distro? i had used google earth a long time back when first released. It ran great on ubuntu 5.x and was borked on 6.x. And on fedora - never went back to check though. -- Sachin G. Nambiar IPH email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:28, Dhawal Doshy wrote: 1. Freedom means STFU when someone says EOT. 2. Freedom is not about *YOU*, real freedom is about *OTHERS* 3. EOT 4. Refer point 1. It would be an endless loop ;) Now STFU, everyone!! hehehe... Disclaimer: Humor intended :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Google Earth problem.
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 15:28, Sachin Nambiar wrote: ubuntu 6.06 ... please refrain from top posting... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Moderation of Commercial threads (inspired by: Linux expert with a monitoring background required)
On 12/19/06, Anurag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometime on Tuesday 19 December 2006 11:39, Vinayak Hegde wrote: There is no need for moderation. If you are bothered by it you can filter the mail yourself. I see that you have a gmail account. You can create a filter with To: linuxers@mm.glug-bom.org and has the words Commercial in the subject/mail add add a tag called likely spam. Then delete the mails Please, for god sake do not mark *any* email delivered from server as spam. A month back we were facing a problem where Yahoo Mail was filtering all list emails into spam folder. If filtering is required then write meaningful filters please. Hi Anurag, If you read my mail again, I have only asked him to _tag_ the mail as likely spam and not move it to the spam folder :-). Get the difference ? -- Vinayak -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Google Earth problem.
rearranging top post: On 19-Dec-06, at 3:28 PM, Sachin Nambiar wrote: On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 06:37:19 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] kbc.org wrote: On 18-Dec-06, at 10:50 PM, Sachin Nambiar wrote: I recently installed Google Earth and iam unable to change the display to show up completely to my desktop resolution (1280x1024). It just shows up half way. which distro? i had used google earth a long time back when first released. It ran great on ubuntu 5.x and was borked on 6.x. And on fedora - never went back to check though. ubuntu 6.06 ... That is borked -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Google Earth problem.
On 19-Dec-06, at 5:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: ubuntu 6.06 ... That is borked top post rearrangement didnt work - how to do this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
jtd wrote: On Monday 18 December 2006 01:32, Rony Bill wrote: --- krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acer! it is a big pain in the ass (roni very well knows why I say this). Luckily my Acer is working fine except for sound in VCDs. I was rumaging through my CDs for tomorrow and found a dvd with 2 Slackware 10.2 ISOs. I burned them and tried out the installation in my PC for practice and it loaded smoothly. I used the default 2.4.31 kernel and sound and video is up. VCDs played with sound. Sound was initially at minimum volume but I got it through kmix. Ok your problem is definetly esd. Kubuntu uses alsa. U have too load esd-alsa (or alsa-esd). with mplayer, xmms and several others u may have to select the appropriate plugin. U might also have to make a link from /dev/dsp0 to /dev/adsp0. If kmix runs on kubuntu, it's only the output plugins that need to be selected. Sorry to cause this mix up of information. The Slackware CDs were tried on my P4 system just for practice in case they were needed to be installed at the FOSS camp that Krish was organizing with his team, for an NGO. I was to visit the next day as they were facing problems. It was there that 4 out of 6 laptops were refusing to load linux. Of those 2 were the same model as my Acer 2428 and 2 were HP. I loaded linux in 3 of the 4 stubborn ones but the last one an HP with a silly 'Intel Core Solo' logo could load only FC5 but that too got stuck on reboot. I had to come back home for the night so could not stay there with the campers. :( This distro also has a testing kernel 2.6.13 and if nothing works tomorrow, I will use this. Why not stick to debian. with the latest hardware u will at best require a newer kernel. I use 2.6.17-3 and all my hardware works like a charm. I am definitely looking forward to Debian 4 once its released. :) Regards, Rony. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] How to recover Grub in live Ubuntu [INFO]
Hello All, This is an important link for all Ubuntu users who need to re-install GRUB back to their mbr. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 Regards, Rony. ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
Sachin Nambiar wrote: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html Download that. I had done that. :) If you are using Ubuntu try Automatix, it will install all drivers including win32codecs etc. DO NOT mount VCD's when you insert them into the CDROM Drive. If you have it on auto mount, unmount them using umount /cd/drive/path I don't mount them. I get the video, its the sound thats absent. PS: You could also try VLC player, but Mplayer is preferable. VLC player gives broken sound. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
Freedom is NOT using things/encouraging(directly or indirectly) which take freedom away from you and others. 1. Freedom means STFU when someone says EOT. I thought i was reading a public mailing list, where everyone is allowed to express his/her own opinion? Nobody's impinging on anyone's opinion space here. As far as the age old debate of ``is freedom to spread something restricting also a freedom?, i did do a LOT of thinking on this and i came to the conclusion, that such a thinking ultimately destroy's the very principal's of freedom one claims to have. If he wants to use .doc files personally and get knowingly screwed, fine. But encouraging others directly or indirectly and then being belligerent about it by saying ``Gimme a break and be practical.. use the right tool for the job is dangerous. One HAS to be clear on it. DRM is evil, Software Patents are evil, and so are .doc files. Also saying ``and stop being a GNU/Linux fanboi.. and while you are at it, stop calling it GNU/Linux as well.. simply 'linux' does the trick. Don't get me wrong, I love linux.. it gives me and my family lunch, dinner, an occasional drink and a good life. I am a linux user/admin, not a slave. proves an utter unawareness of all the other communities(GNU, ASF, xBSD) and people who have contributed to the operating system we all love. It can't be ignored. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
Dinesh Joshi wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 14:28, Dhawal Doshy wrote: 1. Freedom means STFU when someone says EOT. 2. Freedom is not about *YOU*, real freedom is about *OTHERS* 3. EOT 4. Refer point 1. It would be an endless loop ;) Now STFU, everyone!! hehehe... Disclaimer: Humor intended :P Here is a Unix joke to cheer everyone. It appeared in one of the Reader's Digest. A fresh tech support employee was handling the phone calls for a company and during the day she attended calls for support on windows, mac as well as unix. At the end of the day, her boss asked her about her experience. she said that there were calls from people using windows and mac but there were also some people who said they were having problems with eunuchs. Regards, Rony. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
No they won't. I've done this in the past, and I've received resumes in .doc format, and I've written back telling the candidate that their application wasn't considered because I couldn't read their resume. Did any of the candidates bother asking why? Even one? Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
and since we are in a flaming mood - please take the trouble of trimming posts before replying. I did trim it, KG. -- benjamin rualthanzauva -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
for the record, I actually cannot read .doc or .ppt files because OoO on my FreeBSD 4.11 box causes a kernel panic everytime I start it up. My OoO on PC-BSD does open .doc but appears too bad, I just use Google docs which did a better job for me. -- benjamin rualthanzauva -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On 19-Dec-06, at 5:31 PM, Vihan Pandey wrote: No they won't. I've done this in the past, and I've received resumes in .doc format, and I've written back telling the candidate that their application wasn't considered because I couldn't read their resume. Did any of the candidates bother asking why? Even one? i do this regularly with tenders and quotations - just return saying i am unable to open it. I get replies in pdf. No big deal. But I dont do it with job applications - cant afford to frighten away anyone (our salaries are a trifle lower than yahoo!) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 17:28, Rony wrote: Here is a Unix joke to cheer everyone. It appeared in one of the Reader's Digest. A fresh tech support employee was handling the phone calls for a company and during the day she attended calls for support on windows, mac as well as unix. At the end of the day, her boss asked her about her experience. she said that there were calls from people using windows and mac but there were also some people who said they were having problems with eunuchs. Its not funny. Its not a joke and it is based on reality. UNIX was known as Unics ( Uniplexed Information and Computing System ). It was pronounced very close to eunuchs. Hence the pun in your joke which I dont find funny at all... P.S.: No harm done Rony ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On 19-Dec-06, at 5:39 PM, benjamin wrote: and since we are in a flaming mood - please take the trouble of trimming posts before replying. I did trim it, KG. you trimmed the top - you didnt trim the bottom: http://mm.glug-bom.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of- Mon-20061218/056049.html these lines should have been trimmed: quote Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers /quote -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
Dear all, I think this thread is stopping us from contributing to FOSS. Why don't we not shut up and contribute? EOF! -- Regards, -- Kartik Mistry | kartikmistry.org 0xD1028C8D | kartikm.wordpress.com --- -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Google Earth problem.
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:58:48 +0530, Dinesh Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 15:28, Sachin Nambiar wrote: ubuntu 6.06 ... please refrain from top posting... by 'NOT' top posting you meant posting below the reply? Apologies, not used to being on any lists. Btw i upgraded to ubuntu 6.10, Google earth works like a charm :) thank you. -- Sachin G. Nambiar IPH email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
Dear all, I think this thread is stopping us from contributing to FOSS. Why don't we not shut up and contribute? EOF! Well said :-) Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Moderation of Commercial threads (inspired by: Linux expert with a monitoring background required)
Sometime on Tuesday 19 December 2006 17:08, Vinayak Hegde wrote: If you read my mail again, I have only asked him to _tag_ the mail as likely spam and not move it to the spam folder :-). Get the difference ? Point noted. I am not much of a gmail user ;-) Take my comment in general. Its a pita to get ip addresses delisted. Anurag -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Google Earth problem.
Sometime Today, SN cobbled together some glyphs to say: by 'NOT' top posting you meant posting below the reply? Apologies, not used I don't know what he meant, but NOT top posting does not mean put your reply below the original - at least not in all cases. You should put your reply interleaved with the original, and delete unnecessary parts of the original, leaving only what is necessary to maintain context. search the web for top-posting for more details. -- The inside of my head was exploding with fireworks. Fortunately, my last thought turned out the lights when it left. --- Calvin -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] as low as it gets: P2-350, 64 MB, 4 GB
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 16:41, Dinesh Joshi wrote: On Tuesday 19 December 2006 06:42, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 18-Dec-06, at 11:26 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: I've had a minimal box on Celeron 500 MHz albeit with much more RAM (192 MB). It used to run KDE/Gnome a little slowly and XFCe was quite good. Blackbox was fast as a storm. for the last three years i have been comfortably running mandrake 10 on a celeron 400 with 96 mb ram and 4 gb harddisk. Including Oo, zope, apache, postgresql and what have you. On Kde. Little slow to load Oo, but ok after it loads Pentium 1 166MHz MMX. 64MB RAM. 1G of HDD. OS Debian Sarge 3.1. Runs everything just fine. Haven't tried running X but from the looks of it, it should run GNOME without much lag. Was running woody on a 486 66 mhz 16 mb. No X rated stuff. Later increased ram to 24MB. X crawled at glacial speed.Should try out microwindows. I still have the mobo for som isa ice cards. unfortunately the ide card pins are black. So i will have to setup nfsboot on ne2000 isa with bootrom or floppy. -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Moderation of Commercial threads (inspired by: Linux expert with a monitoring background required)
On 12/19/06, Vinayak Hegde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no need for moderation. If you are bothered by it you can filter the mail yourself. I see that you have a gmail account. You can create a filter It's not really a bother; infact entertaining at times ;-) It's just that sometimes tempers flare for no reasons and it heats up the list. But I guess you're right -- moderation should be the last resort for anything at all. I take my suggestion back :) Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On 12/19/06, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you still don't get it. Why must you welcome .doc AT ALL? I've got an alternate interpretation for his statement -- I don't want to make document formats as a bottleneck for your submission since I care more about your skills than these things. Of course, I prefer plaintext since it's more readable. Do realize that everyone does not own a computer at home. Some do use the internet cafe to satisfy their surfing needs and cafes and most cybercafes use Windows here in India. I wonder why you concentrated on the fact that he's welcomed the .doc format. He's welcomed the .odt format with equal 'vigour' as well hasn't he? Zealotism works well towards turning users away from FOSS rather than attract them. You could probably have put it in a better way so as to get your point across without offending the other. There's a thin line between freedom to speak and freedom to speak without offending the other. Regards, -- Siddhesh Poyarekar http://siddhesh.tk http://siddhesh.phpnet.us -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
you still don't get it. Why must you welcome .doc AT ALL? I've got an alternate interpretation for his statement -- I don't want to make document formats as a bottleneck for your submission since I care more about your skills than these things. Of course, I prefer plaintext since it's more readable. this is not about what is ``professionally better or more convinient. Do realize that everyone does not own a computer at home. Some do use the internet cafe to satisfy their surfing needs and cafes and most cybercafes use Windows here in India. If they are going to a cyber cafe to compose and post resumes on a windoxe system, downloading a windoze build of open office and then doing the same in a free as in freedom file format is not really a mountain climb. Will it take longer, and cost a little more - yes it will. If they are ``really that eager to get a particular job, they will do what is necessary, anyone would. If the are given a specific format for a resume, they HAVE to stick to it, or forfeit. If they are still foolish enough not to do so or are in the habit of mass mailing their resumes without a second thought to what the job is actually about, would anyone want to hire such people at all? I wonder why you concentrated on the fact that he's welcomed the .doc format. because i believe it is wrong to use it. He's welcomed the .odt format with equal 'vigour' as well hasn't he? Does that imply he would embrace both free and proprietary software with equal vigor as well? Zealotism Is believing in something and following it Zealotism? Do you think i'll pelt stones at him or his company, just because he uses/considers .doc? works well towards turning users away from FOSS rather than attract them. You could probably have put it in a better way so as to get your point across without offending the other. if you think there was a better way to do the same please do mention it. Anyway i don't think he is ever going to forget what some people out there think of .doc ;-) and will make it point to mention it to everybody he knows with or without some adjectives which i'd rather not mention :-) If there is even one person who actually thinks ``i wonder why that lunatic on the list hated .doc so much? if that person makes even an iota of effort to search for the reason. Its worth it. Because then you achieve something which is nothing short of creating history, and that is - making a person think about something they otherwise take for granted. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 02:02, Vihan Pandey wrote: works well towards turning users away from FOSS rather than attract them. You could probably have put it in a better way so as to get your point across without offending the other. if you think there was a better way to do the same please do mention it. Yes. Just show them how something else is better. Suddenly my friends are in love with pdf now, after using OOo. They used OOo for a while before they got their hands on the newest M$ Office, which supports exporting to pdf, apparently. Looking at that software, I can understand why they've thrown out OOo again. I can't argue, because they don't care about freedom. They want better software. These are people who love their Kubuntu and ask me if it will be possible to run Office 2007 on Linux. Learn to pick your fights. I will agree that sometimes FSF's attitude turns people away. For example, myself. If there is even one person who actually thinks ``i wonder why that lunatic on the list hated .doc so much? if that person makes even an iota of effort to search for the reason. Its worth it. Because then you achieve something which is nothing short of creating history, and that is - making a person think about something they otherwise take for granted. Brute force isn't always the right choice. Learn to pick your fights. You would actually win more fights if you did. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgp4WBcx9b9Z5.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On 19-Dec-06, at 11:11 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Do realize that everyone does not own a computer at home. Some do use the internet cafe to satisfy their surfing needs and cafes and most cybercafes use Windows here in India. especially most freshers. And I am told its not easy to save word files in plain text. In fact, very few people own computers. In fact hardly anyone owns a computer. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] What is stoping Indians from contributing to FOSS ?
Rony wrote: I loaded linux in 3 of the 4 stubborn ones but the last one an HP with a silly 'Intel Core Solo' logo could load only FC5 but that too got stuck on reboot. I had to come back home for the night so could not stay there with the campers. :( I just got news that the FC% machine booted properly after it was shut down. So all the machines got linux. Regards, Rony. ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] as low as it gets: P2-350, 64 MB, 4 GB
You can even try http://www.xubuntu.org/get#requirements which is stripped down version of Ubuntu I have not tried it but only giving you other options Bye for now Chirag Subscribe to bermudaEmail: [input] [input] Browse Archives at groups.google.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On Tuesday 19 December 2006 23:11, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: I've got an alternate interpretation for his statement -- I don't want to make document formats as a bottleneck for your submission since I care more about your skills than these things. Of course, I prefer plaintext since it's more readable. Sifting thru the cacaphony, the requirement was for GNU/linux experts strange that an expert would need to be told about standards and the whole shebang. some expert that would be submitting resumes in doc. If anything just specifiying odf would weed out the clicky certs. Do realize that everyone does not own a computer at home. Some do use the internet cafe to satisfy their surfing needs and cafes and Read abv para. Zealotism works well towards turning users away from FOSS rather than attract them. We arent talking about newbie users we are talking of experts who would be managing other peoples it setups. -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
On 20/12/06 11:32 +0530, jtd wrote: snip We arent talking about newbie users we are talking of experts who would be managing other peoples it setups. That's pretty irrelevant, surely? If OP was accepting mail from recruiters, he would get .doc. Devdas Bhagat -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
works well towards turning users away from FOSS rather than attract them. You could probably have put it in a better way so as to get your point across without offending the other. if you think there was a better way to do the same please do mention it. Yes. Just show them how something else is better. Suddenly my friends are in love with pdf now, after using OOo. They used OOo for a while before they got their hands on the newest M$ Office, which supports exporting to pdf, apparently. Looking at that software, I can understand why they've thrown out OOo again. I can't argue, because they don't care about freedom. Then we keep telling them how important it is till they either realize or we have a dry mouth. In which case, have a glass of water and restart. They want better software. its just not enough. These are people who love their Kubuntu and ask me if it will be possible to run Office 2007 on Linux. and how do you personally respond to that? Learn to pick your fights. Mate, the was never any intention to fight or flame. i expressed my opinion, plain and simple. He chose to be belligerent about it and made it personal. The result was fire works. I will agree that sometimes FSF's attitude turns people away. For example, myself. explain? Moreover what ``exactly are you turning away from? Brute force isn't always the right choice. Learn to pick your fights. You would actually win more fights if you did. i don't get thrills or trips about wining fights nor am i depressed on loosing them. i'm satisfied in an even minded manner if the point i made, was conveyed. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
Do realize that everyone does not own a computer at home. Some do use the internet cafe to satisfy their surfing needs and cafes and most cybercafes use Windows here in India. especially most freshers. And I am told its not easy to save word files in plain text. In which case use RTF. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linux expert with a monitoring background required.
Sifting thru the cacaphony, the requirement was for GNU/linux experts strange that an expert would need to be told about standards and the whole shebang. some expert that would be submitting resumes in doc. If anything just specifiying odf would weed out the clicky certs. ... We arent talking about newbie users we are talking of experts who would be managing other peoples it setups. well said :-) now that look at it the law of nature prevails here as well :-) Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
