Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
--- Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: so lets do it - could you start the process by setting up a wiki page? Excellent! Looks like we can have one more collaborative effort. I have set up a wiki page initiating a FOSS based Cyber cafe and added a temporary structure to it. I'm not sure whether the structure is good, but, its a wiki, so you have the authority to change. Go ahead, get your keys- on the -board. Punch in here http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/FOSS_based_Cyber_Cafe If the URL is broken, copy paste or navigate from the main page http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki And passive readers, you too can contribute. :) -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Thursday 29 March 2007 07:20, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 28-Mar-07, at 3:26 PM, jtd wrote: So we show the cops how to use cfdisk, unhide partitions and generally create mayhem ;-E So far so good about the sticks. What about the carrots? looks like we have to set up a demo cybercafe with only OSS and see how far we can get. Would be cheaper than buying a satellite anyway. Anyone game for this? We should mint money cost of premises in Mumbai is crazy these days. If someone can provide space, rest could follow. Or choose a non metro which imo would be much better. KG i think it's a good idea and should be cced to all the participants at the last NRCFOSS meet. -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On 3/29/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: so lets do it - could you start the process by setting up a wiki page? Excellent! Looks like we can have one more collaborative effort. I have set up a wiki page initiating a FOSS based Cyber cafe and added a temporary structure to it. Few recommendations on the software for the cafe admin - If its Gnome then 1. Pessulus - From its about - enables the system administrator to set mandatory settings in GConf, which apply to all users, restricting what they can do, which may be of particular usefulness for kiosks (internet cafes, for example). Note : This tool has lot of missing features, yet worthwile. 2. Sabayon - www.gnome.org/projects/sabayon About - This powerful tool allows administrators to create profiles for groups of users, for example Programmers or Admin Staff and set certain default and mandatory settings for these groups. If its KDE then 1. Kiosktool - http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kiosktool/ About : A PointClick tool for system administrators to enable KDE's KIOSK features or otherwise preconfigure KDE for groups of users. I am quite hopeful that this initative will result in important lessons in large scale workstation management and such. regards, C -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Dell promises Linux on notebooks and desktops
Hi, Another complaint about GNU/Linux going to die -- It is hard to install, well you don't have to install if you go for Dell !! http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=582207207eid=-50 Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On 29-Mar-07, at 1:26 PM, Chetan S wrote: Few recommendations on the software for the cafe admin - if it is not on the wiki it will be ignored - put it there -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On 3/29/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Mar-07, at 1:26 PM, Chetan S wrote: Few recommendations on the software for the cafe admin - if it is not on the wiki it will be ignored - put it there Done. regards, C -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Hi. I'll be in Mumbai between 4/2 and 4/9. If you're having a meeting then, or want to arrange one, I can speak on various topics, like Open Source licensing, or Politics and Technology of the DNS. I can also bring my One Laptop Per Child XO machine. It's a way cool piece of hardware. I'm consulting for Rediff.com, so I'll be busy all day. I can probably get away by 7 (they work me hard), and the office is in Mahim West. I'm leaving in about 41 hours, so act promptly! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On 3/28/07, Russ Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'll be in Mumbai between 4/2 and 4/9. If you're having a meeting then, or want to arrange one, I can speak on various topics, like Open Source licensing, or Politics and Technology of the DNS. I can also bring my One Laptop Per Child XO machine. It's a way cool piece of hardware.\ Hi Russ it will be a good opportunity to connect. i m sure we can work out something. where are you going to be put up ? we can try to meet at some place convenient to you as traveling within city might take some time what is on your agenda for weekend 4/7 - 4/8. 4/6 is also a holiday for many . Regards Harsh I'm leaving in about 41 hours, so act promptly! -- __ http://www.ebackend.com/blog -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On 3/29/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29-Mar-07, at 1:26 PM, Chetan S wrote: Few recommendations on the software for the cafe admin - if it is not on the wiki it will be ignored - put it there Hi all, I have added a section on benefits of migrating to FOSS Start expanding it with examples , case studies , facts and figures Regards, Sourabh -- www.yuj.in -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Politics and Technology of the DNS. That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. I can also bring my One Laptop Per Child XO machine. It's a way cool piece of hardware. Would love to see that. Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
Is anyone making any attemp to get the language of the notification/ordinance changed? Anyone with any contacts in the cyber cell of Mumbai? Saurabh. -- http://nandz.blogspot.com http://foodieforlife.blogspot.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 29 March 2007 05:43 PM, Vihan Pandey cobbled together some glyphs to say: That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. Indeed, the ``politics and technology'' of the DNS sounds much more interesting ... Regards, BG - -- Baishampayan Ghose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ubuntu -- Linux for Human Beings http://www.ubuntu.com/ 1024D/86361B74 BB2C E244 15AD 05C5 523A 90E7 4249 3494 8636 1B74 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGC7FPQkk0lIY2G3QRAsicAKCBTQAFBMFWEOspaHIJdTDCkb9A+QCgjyHg goSXmWhiLhtZpLGAiNQMgmw= =ES8/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
--- Harsh Busa wrote: what is on your agenda for weekend 4/7 - 4/8. 4/6 is also a holiday for many :(. I would miss this meet, if it is on April 7 or April 8. BTW, I remember his exhilaration at FOSS.IN/2006, in the opening ceremony. When the project lead of FOSS.IN/2006 said It is a community effort and participation is mandatory. You are supposed to ask questions ... and suddenly he raised his hand and said, (very politely) So are we supposed to ask questions? -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On 29-Mar-07, at 5:50 PM, Saurabh Nanda wrote: Is anyone making any attemp to get the language of the notification/ordinance changed? Anyone with any contacts in the cyber cell of Mumbai? btw, have added this: http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/ FOSS_based_Cyber_Cafe#Costs_from_scratch -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
--- Vihan Pandey wrote: --- Russ Nelson worte Politics and Technology of the DNS. That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. I guess, he meant, Open Source licensing or Politics and Technology of DNS. -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
--- Vihan Pandey wrote: --- Russ Nelson worte Politics and Technology of the DNS. That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. I guess, he meant, Open Source licensing or Politics and Technology of DNS. -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. I guess, he meant, Open Source licensing or Politics and Technology of DNS. H. So Russ, is that what you meant? Regards, - vihan -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On 3/29/07, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. I guess, he meant, Open Source licensing or Politics and Technology of DNS. H. So Russ, is that what you meant? can we first focus on identifying a date and location. topic can be secondary priority -- __ http://www.ebackend.com/blog -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Roshan writes: --- Harsh Busa wrote: what is on your agenda for weekend 4/7 - 4/8. 4/6 is also a holiday for many Well, Sumit (Rajwade, not that you'd know him, he keeps a low profile) said something about working through the long weekend, but I'm all about riding the toy train on Sunday up to Matheran now that it's fixed. Errr, the toy train, not Matheran. :(. I would miss this meet, if it is on April 7 or April 8. BTW, I remember his exhilaration at FOSS.IN/2006, in the opening ceremony. When the project lead of FOSS.IN/2006 said It is a community effort and participation is mandatory. You are supposed to ask questions ... and suddenly he raised his hand and said, (very politely) So are we supposed to ask questions? Oh, Atul *asked* for that one. Literally! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Vihan Pandey writes: That sounds interesting. What ``exactly do you generally cover in the politics aspect of DNS. Oh, things like ICANN (or, rather, ICANN'T), and the shared hallucination which is the DNS. I guess, he meant, Open Source licensing or Politics and Technology of DNS. So Russ, is that what you meant? Yes, that would be two different talks, although of course I'd entertain questions on either subject. But more to the point is you guys setting a time and place and getting the word out in a prompt manner! Newspapers like to get community announcements well in advance of the event. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:20:20AM -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Yes, that would be two different talks, although of course I'd entertain questions on either subject. But more to the point is you guys setting a time and place and getting the word out in a prompt manner! Newspapers like to get community announcements well in advance of the event. Can someone please offer a location? BTW, Russ, did Rediff come back with anything about the question I had raised at FOSS.IN? Devdas Bhagat -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Harsh Busa writes: it will be a good opportunity to connect. i m sure we can work out something. where are you going to be put up ? we can try to meet at some place convenient to you as traveling within city might take some time Well, Rediff is in Mahim, and they usually put me up in Vile Parle, although in November the only place they could find was the Comfort Inn down in Byculla. I didn't manage to walk from Mahim to Byculla in one shot, but one time my taxi broke down and I walked the other half, so I travelled the whole way on foot at least once. I'm leaving in about 41 hours, so act promptly! Oh, yeah, I lost a day there. I'm leaving Sunday 04:00 IST. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On 3/29/07, Russ Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roshan writes: --- Harsh Busa wrote: what is on your agenda for weekend 4/7 - 4/8. 4/6 is also a holiday for many Well, Sumit (Rajwade, not that you'd know him, he keeps a low profile) said something about working through the long weekend, but I'm all about riding the toy train on Sunday up to Matheran now that it's fixed. Errr, the toy train, not Matheran. Russ its a small world ! well i actually happen to know him , i studied in the same college ! ( not sure if he knows me ) 1) immediate options to think of is if rediff can spare their conf room for sometime 2) another closer option could be VJTI college ( matunga ) given that i m not in bombay these days might need help from others to co-ordinate that. if someone is ready to go and check i can give contact names off the list 3) usual places like KRESIT (IIT bombay) and HBCSE would be quite far for reaching on any given evening. 4) we actually meet up in the toy train ! 5) a evening snack at a coffee shop or a joint like JATC ( in bandra ) lets try to close on the date. then we can try to fix the place HRB -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers -- __ http://www.ebackend.com/blog -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Prof. CN Krishnan of NRCFOSS in Mumbai on 5th [Was: LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?]
Hi, I'm sorry if this is hijacking the thread, but I think I can relate the new thread I was about to start to this one. As the subject line says, Prof. CN Krishnan of NRCFOSS, Chennai is also to be in Mumbai on the 5th of April. Can we have a meet in the evening on 5th? But it'll need to be after around 6 pm. Regards. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpqLYgYFa4cW.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] bash proxy settings
just append 'http://' with the proxy IP address and port. # http_proxy=http://proxy IP or hostname:port # export http_proxy Below is the perfect proxy setting in bash... #export http_proxy=http://username:password@IP of Proxy Server:port If proxy authentication is not ther then below would be enough... #export http_proxy=http://IP of Proxy Server:port -- I tried the above but now when i try to ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com is what i get. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
--- Devdas Bhagat wrote: Can someone please offer a location? A previous GLUG-meet was conducted at Open Source Labs in Vile Parle. The following URL points to an email to the list http://gnowledge.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20010611/025930.html May be this could be a convenient location. (Again, a western suburb for GLUG-meet ;) ) -- FSF of India Associate Fellow - http://www.gnu.org.in S K Somaiya College of ASC - http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On 29-Mar-07, at 7:50 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: the word out in a prompt manner! Newspapers like to get community announcements well in advance of the event. a community event mentioned in a newspaper? in India? The other day at our python group i suggested putting something in a newspaper, and asked which newspaper the community reads. I just got blank stares. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] bash proxy settings
आनंद (Anand M R) wrote: I tried the above but now when i try to ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com is what i get. You won't be able to ping. Try downloading a file using wget or browsing using lynx. -- Regards विवेक ज. पाटणकर (Vivek J. Patankar) Registered Linux User #374218 Fedora Core release 6 (Zod) Linux 2.6.19-1.2911.6.4.fc6 X86_64 -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Sometime on Mar 29, R cobbled together some glyphs to say: A previous GLUG-meet was conducted at Open Source Labs in Vile Parle. The following URL points to an email to the list http://gnowledge.org/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20010611/025930.html When did our domain change to gnowledge.org? Also, I don't think that place exists anymore. FreeOS closed down many years ago. Why not just ask rediff to host the meet? :D Philip -- The rate at which a disease spreads through a corn field is a precise measurement of the speed of blight. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Philip Tellis writes: Why not just ask rediff to host the meet? :D Their board room is their largest conference room, and you'd be hard pressed to get more than twenty people in there. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On 30-Mar-07, at 10:55 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: Philip Tellis writes: Why not just ask rediff to host the meet? :D Their board room is their largest conference room, and you'd be hard pressed to get more than twenty people in there. no problem - you wont get 20 people for the meet - about 15 would be a good number -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] bash proxy settings
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:20:02 +0530, (Anand M R) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the above but now when i try to ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com is what i get. The problem lies in the DNS. When you set the proxy, http requests go through the proxy.. including the url.. so if the proxy server machine has a DNS resolver IP configured, the proxy will be able to resolve the IP and thus will be able to get the data. But when you ping from your machine, it does not know how to reach the pinged machine as you niether have it in /etc/hosts nor have you configured a DNS resolver IP on your machine. So you have to configure a DNS resolver IP on your machine if you want to be able to ping. -- Laxminarayan G Kamath A [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] bash proxy settings
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:20:02 +0530, (Anand M R) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the above but now when i try to ping www.google.com ping: unknown host www.google.com is what i get. The problem lies in the DNS. When you set the proxy, http requests go through the proxy.. including the url.. so if the proxy server machine has a DNS resolver IP configured, the proxy will be able to resolve the IP and thus will be able to get the data. But when you ping from your machine, it does not know how to reach the pinged machine as you niether have it in /etc/hosts nor have you configured a DNS resolver IP on your machine. So you have to configure a DNS resolver IP on your machine if you want to be able to ping. -- Laxminarayan G Kamath A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not only that, a machine behind a proxy probabely wont have access to an external DNS server. Unless there is a firewall which is allowing outgoing DNS queries on port 53. Best way is to configure a caching DNS server on the proxy itself. And use that as the DNS server LAN wide. It would also speed up things a bit. With warm regards Koustubha Kale Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
Kenneth Gonsalves writes: no problem - you wont get 20 people for the meet - about 15 would be a good number I dunno ... Atul got 30 for a similar talk in Bangalore in February. Yer not gonna let a little hick town like Bangalore out-do you, are you?? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?
On 30-Mar-07, at 11:39 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: no problem - you wont get 20 people for the meet - about 15 would be a good number I dunno ... Atul got 30 for a similar talk in Bangalore in February. Yer not gonna let a little hick town like Bangalore out-do you, are you?? logistics differ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers