Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction!! | Office , Excise CAD
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:16 AM, jtd j...@mtnl.net.in wrote: No. But you really suck. Noticed the distinct lack of a smiley. No? heck never mind. Bah...and you think I care for your remarks? :) Explain how exactly is SAMBA/CIFS better than a M$ share. Stability ooh...my gawd...stability... please backup your statements with proofs. place and found that M$XP (dont remember if it was sp2) share of a disk block on a M$2003 server was much slower than a simliar share on a linux box. It could well be because of crappy AV on the doze boxen, but you might as well burn the machine without AV. agreed. Prima face linux would beat doze because linux has superior file / block handling and network infrastructure apart from the AV overhead (now dont get started on numbers etc unless u wanna pay me to do the study). Linux supports various file systems. It wouldn't make sense to say linux has a superior file / block handling since not all Linux file systems are created equal :P Similiar informal tests with samba and nfs (both on linux boxes) found nfs to win. Again i had not tweaked samba in any way (and i havent botherd to check for tweaks either), but increased the nfs block size to 64k (or some such) for even better performance. Yeah yeah Linux beats crap out of Windows. Whose saying otherwise? Though compatibility is an issue infact heres a bit, you can use NFS on Windows boxes with some Unix utilities for windows software. I forget its name. GEDA, pcb, alliance, kicad. Thank you. Thats knowledge shared really ... :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction !!!
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Nagarjuna G. nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: The possibility of virus in a Unix machine is possible in only one condition: all the applications are running as super user. But, this situation actually defeates the very idea of a multi-user design. Not really. You could have a remote buffer overflow exploit for the iptables code running your firewall. A properly crafted packet would wreak havoc. A simple program running as a normal unprivileged could have a exploit that could escalate the user's previledges. Infact all or most buffer overflow exploits exist due to this. Therefore, it is correct to say that Unix OSs are practically immune No that would be too arrogant to say. Many Linux boxes get compromised everyday all over the world but they're quickly identified since *nix admins are inherently more knowledgeable than their non *nix counter parts. to virus problem, and M$ machines have virus problem not due to their popularity but due to bad design choices. Yes and theres a lot of political agenda behind that. The whole malware, anti-virus, OS, application ecosystem exist. No vulnerabilities mean that the ecosystem collapses. McAffee, Norton and the hundreds of vendors depending on the existence of holes will be out of business and so will a lot of software engineers :) M$ is not using a known invention (25 year old, even before their company is born) for the benifit of human kind. Therefore they a are actually liable to be sued for the crime they are committing for not providing the benifits of computer science to their customers. Heck UNIX model isn't the best that there is. Infact there are far superior kernels out there. Check out L3 / L4 kernels. They'll beat the crap out of any microkernel. They're far more secure than the Linux kernel. Theres L4 Linux which runs Linux kernel in userspace on top of L4 kernel. UNIX is mature but definitely not the best :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel 2.6.27.8 = Goodbye IDE?
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Rony gnulinux...@gmail.com wrote: My system is Etch and the kernel was downloaded from kernel.org using the F (Full source) link. Commands used were... dumb question... did you copy over your current .config to the new kernel's source tree before you actually did the make menuconfig? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction!! | Office , Excise CAD
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Sachin Gopalakrishnan mai...@sachingopal.com wrote: There can never be a replacement for the crap that is M$office. Even a brainless moron cant write such crap. There are at least two SUPERIOR alternatives Openoffice and Koffice. I'm not sure who said that but whoever said this is truly a moron big time... Oooh did I offend anybody? :) This thread is an example of how retarded certain discussions can be especially if people just go around shooting off their mouths without having a balanced opinion about the world around them. Let me just cut to the chase and before reading my reply I'm putting in a disclaimer for everybody. I'm not a Microsoft supporter nor a hater. I'm a Linux enthusiast and a supporter of the Open Source movement / philosophy but I do not like when people go overboard without rationally explaining their statements. I use ubuntu 8.04 as my desktop at home but i need excel at my workplace on my laptop. I have tried using OO (not tried K Office) but the spreadsheet tool just does not seem to work well enough especially after i have used excel, OO seems so dated and clunky in contrast. I must admit i have not tried the latest version though. OpenOffice 3 is the latest version. Its certainly an improvement but not a solution to your problem. I'll save you some effort but sure do try it out. There is no real Autocad replacement, even if there are like BRL-CAD, Varicad etc we do not get candidates for them. We tried Virtualbox. did not work very well, especially cumbersome when it came to sharing files on a network using Samba. Let me just stop you here. VirtualBox is not the only player on the block. But it is one of the best now and the easiest too. Try VirtualBox 2.1 and you'll be surprised. Some features you'll be very interested in are: 1. One click host networking setup. ( Means your virtual machine is virtually a real machine on your network ;) ). It'll obtain an IP from the DHCP server like a real machine and you can run servers and outside machines can connect to them. This works on Linux too. 2. Experimental OpenGL support. This is cool. Now most graphic intensive programs work far better in the virtual machine then they used to before. Virtualized graphics acceleration is slowly becoming a reality. But hold on, they've not implemented DirectX APIs which means some apps which dont offer OpenGL versions can't take advantage of this enhancement. You'll have to check with the application's specs to see how well it runs. Many people can run Windows games now in a virtual machine ( and VirtualBox isn't the first one to have made this a reality ). Due to 1 2, you'll find a Virtual machine inside VirtualBox is able to inter operate far better with your real world infrastructure. Just a word of caution. This is a bleeding edge release and you ought to purchase their license since you're doing this in an office setup. You can try it for free under the PUEL. I know there are other linux options for virtualization available like parallels and vmware but we are not in a position to experiment as of now especially after virtualbox. Yeah right. Parallels and Linux. ROTFLMAO :) We use an MS Access based system (third party )for excise, i haven't come across any package in linux as a replacement though am sure one could be built. All hail the mighty VirtualBox OR WINE. Ever heard of it buddy? Did anybody point you to it? Nah... everyones busy just shooting off smart ass remarks :) WINE has reached v1 release. Check it out. With the latest release I was able to install Microsoft Office suite ( 2007 or whatever the heck it is ) on Linux. It works like a charm. Heck I installed CS and it works far better than the native Windows install :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction!! | Office , Excise CAD
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:53 AM, jtd j...@mtnl.net.in wrote: ???. Samba /CIFS works better than M$ network share. However you Ooh my boat is t3h bigger than you're boat. I rock. You suck. Right? :) Explain how exactly is SAMBA/CIFS better than a M$ share. And how EXACTLY is a SAMBA / CIFS share different from a M$ Network share. Could you put in some performance numbers as well? ( If SAMBA / CIFS is actually different from M$ network share i.e. ) really dont need samba if u are using linux. NFS works very well. Again the case of my boat is bigger than your boat :) the last proprietory bit. There are many FOSS alternatives with mostly far superior features, but required learning new UIs and ooh...and the names of these alternatives are... ? ? ? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction!! | Office , Excise CAD
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote: Why not setup virtual machine so that anyone from the network can access it? gee whizz why didn't I think of it? :) So what virtualization package are you talking about? What network are you talking about? Oohh how do you get the guest machine to host servers for the real machines on the network ? Really helpful, right? :) If you didn't get it yet, there are 10 bazzilion virtualization packages out there. Which one do you recommend and WHY? :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction!! | Office , Excise CAD
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Rony gnulinux...@gmail.com wrote: Networking between host and guest machines is a big pain. It is not good for production. It wasn't ever a big pain for me. All it took was setting up a bridge and N tun/tap interfaces. Its not very difficult to follow directions written in VirtualBox's handbook. Now even that is gone because of the new update to VirtualBox ( read my other posts ). -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux addiction !!!
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:24 AM, Neelesh Gurjar neel@gmail.com wrote: They got addicted to Linux now. :) yey...what joy...what encouragement...yey look at us...we're a cult... iff someone didn't understand, the last line was full of dry sarcasm. People say that Linux is not user friendly and cannot be used for Desktops for general users. Now I can surely say, if management plans to use Linux in offices, users admins work hard on it without having windows in mind then they can switch to Linux. B... :P Its just a matter of getting used to, convenience, inertia. You'll find the same effect in offices that have been using Windows since a long time... Offcourse proffessional companies like Adobe, Corel, Font making companies should make applications for Linux. Yes...it didn't occur to anybody.. wow thanks for enlightening us :) Hehe, i'm being plain nasty now :P I'm kidding ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: If you could read my mail fully, I just said I didn't have any issues with Debian for any of my my new hardware. Did I anywhere mention that Debian supports everything under the sun. It didn't support your stuff, I agree. but just the same way that is a fact, my statement that it supported my hardware is a fact. I can't take it back just because you want me to. For some facts, It has supported my modem, digital camera, mobile phone out-of-box. Thank you. Were we talking about your particular hardware? No. So whats your point buddy? Debian supports a lot of hardware. Etch supports a lot of hardware - pre-2005 maybe. I did not refute any of that. If you can't see a simple point - A more advanced kernel supports more hardware, a older kernel supports lesser - then you should go back and read MY post clearly. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Anurag anu...@gnuer.org wrote: What is ridiculous is your language and tone. There are polite ways to express your views. Seems politeness is not in these days. Extremists are getting all the attention. Especially on this list ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Kartik Mistry kartik.mis...@gmail.com wrote: I will be not Outraged when New User(s) in my office called me everytime when their so called bleeding edge panel hanged 10 times in a day and lone Debian users smiles to them. I'm just going to blow past this alright... You're waay off here. This has *nothing* to do with what is / was being discussed here. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kernel 2.6.27.8 = Goodbye IDE?
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Rony gnulinux...@gmail.com wrote: I have twice compiled kernel 2.6.27.8 from source. During make it You're short on details. How did you compile the kernel from source? What did your config look like? Which distro are we talking about? Did you use the vanilla kernel or the distro specific kernel? Details buddy, details! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: *snip* The reason why you don't see new packages in sid right now is because it lenny is frozen. *snip* had done some background reading than screaming 2.6.27 is not available in sid and hence sid must be older than ubuntu should not have happened. Uh...I dont give a damn how or why a certain package is in Ubuntu and isn't in Debian Stick your favorite version here. My points were based on facts. The facts stand. End of story. Can you contradict those facts and tell me otherwise? NO. I never claimed to be the all knowing Oracle. Quite frankly we weren't even talking about the Debian release process or the Ubuntu release process. My facts are crystal clear: 1. Debian Etch has an older kernel, older packages hence compatibility with new hardware is limited. ( Someone pointed out that it worked well on new hardware, to which I replied with a FACTUAL example ). 2. Ubuntu contains far more bleeding edge packages hence its better on the driver front. OP's thought that he would solve his problem by replacing Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex with Debian Etch is dumb because had he known in advance, he would've installed Sid or Lenny and then used the experimental repository. But he didnt which shows that he didn't care to go through the documentation of Debian to understand whether installing Debian would actually solve his problems... And one more FACT for you, the Ubuntu kernel has several patches applied to it which aren't there in the Debian kernel. Hence comparing a Debian 2.6.18 kernel to Ubuntu 2.6.27 kernel is nonsensical. change my tone because you kept on ridiculing a new debian user. I never ridiculed the OP. I was OUTRAGED by the fact that a new user would be so irresponsible to go back 9 kernel releases and run older packages and complain that his system didn't support his shiny new display. My dear friend THAT is ridiculous. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: No. I was explaining to the right person, who did not do proper homework to understand why debian unstable did not have 2.6.27 kernel. So what you're saying is basically the SAME that I've said. Debian is BEHIND Ubuntu in terms of including the most bleeding edged software. SO theres a good chance that Ubuntu will support your hardware out of the box and Debian wont. HENCE, Etch is a stupid choice for someone to install because his hardware isn't supported because Etch is ANCIENT. Another end user example of how Debian is lagging behind Ubuntu and hence my point stands, Debian Sid installs gnome 2.22.3 while gnome-panel is stuck at 2.20.?? in the unstable repository. So, to get the shiny new world clock in the gnome-panel one has to dig through the experimental repository. This feature was available in Ubuntu around 8.04 or even before that. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: I have used Debian without any issues for any new hardware. May be you don't link Debian Oh really? Can you give me some facts? I'll throw a fact at you. Try installing Etch on a C2D machine running Intel's DG965RY motherboard. Then you contradict me. This is not a one off incident. The FACT is Etch's kernel doesn't have a driver which is essential for the IDE controller. Its some JMicron controller. Next time you better get your facts straight before shooting off a reply. I'm not here to have a childish i'm right, no i'm right debate. I've presented FACTS which are backed up by numbers. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Manoj Srivastava sriva...@debian.org wrote: Hmm? Since Ubuntu snapshots Debian unstable at some pointm and then proceeds to fall behind until release and the next sync, I don't think this is entirely accurate. Wrong! :) I'm running Debian Unstable and there are plenty of differences in the versions being used by Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. Not to mention I've updated it frequently. Infact to get some features of Ubuntu, I needed to pull some packages from Debian's Experimental. Fact for you, Ubuntu had 2.6.27 kernel since ages. I think since Ibex was alpha. But Debian Unstable still doesn't have it. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Praveen A prav...@gmail.com wrote: Dude, you don't get it :-) Debian testing is frozen and only packages that *normally* go to unstable are those which are expected to be released with lenny. You won't get any newer kernels in unstable before lenny is out of the door. You are explaining it to the wrong person. Please explain that to the people who say Ubuntu = Debian Unstable. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Rohit V Bhute rvbh...@gmail.com wrote: boot with Debian Lenny this time and get it going (and I will do my work before asking here :-) ); then make it the main OS on the machine. Do you just have the habit of *not* thinking before you type? Lenny is frozen ( though it has a bunch of unfixed bugs ) so its nowhere near as bleeding edge as Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. Even Sid is not as bleeding edge... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
Rohit, Lets summarize what you said, you were an Ubuntu user. Your bluetooth didn't work so you thought, oh well, lets switch to debian because it'll solve all your issues. You claim you did your homework. I say you didn't. You wanna know why I say that? Its simply because you went ahead and installed Debian *Etch* or the more proper name would be Debian STABLE. Now had you done your homework you would know Debian STABLE is NOT MEANT FOR END USERS WITH SHINY NEW MACHINES. Heck its not even meant for machines from 2 years ago. Did you even care to check what kernel version it was running? I'm sure it must be running 2.6.18 because thats what STABLE branch ( Etch ) is running. Did you care to check what version of kernel was Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex was running? NO you DIDNT. Its running 2.6.27. Now lets check out what version of X server Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex is running and compare it with Debian Etch's X server. I dont have the numbers off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure that Etch is still running Xfree86 while Ubuntu Intrepid is running Xorg's most bleeding edge branch. Now in the light of all these facts lets review: 1. You claim you did your homework. 2. Facts show that you didn't. There are only 2 valid conclusions: 1. Either you did your homework and your purposefully posted such a post complaining that Debian Etch doesn't support your screen resolution. 2. You didn't do your homework and whined about your screen resolution. Take your pick Mr.Bhute. Which one will it be? In both cases you're tarnishing the well earned reputation of a distro such as Debian. Had you done your homework you would've atleast thought of installing Lenny or Sid rather than fooling around with Etch. Thats the reason I called your claims PREPOSTEROUS. And to shed some more light on your issues, Debian Testing or Unstable is _not_ going to solve any of your issues. Ubuntu is by far more bleeding edge than Debian in all respects. You should try Fedora or some other distro to resolve your issue. If bluetooth is so important then might as well install a VM and some previous version of Ubuntu ( 8.04 maybe? ) in which bluetooth is functioning fine and then use it. do that. But I handle maybe 2 drives in 4 years while there are people Now lets come to this little piece of post that you made. Mr.Bhute I'd like to inform you that if you had done your homework on even this particular topic you would've known that SATA controllers aren't that well supported as are IDE controllers. Power management support for SATA a dicey topic. Hence you would've perhaps thought of investigating it further and posted some REAL question rather than posting something like ooh...does Linux do this?. If you think that I am complaining, being ungrateful or parasitic, I apologize on this LUG itself. In the future I will try to live up to the LUG standards. Thanks to your post which has now gotten archived, Linux's reputation as an operating system has reduced a little. People all over the globe dont know what they're doing and often blame the software for their incompetency. I have nothing personal against you. I was probably in your position and I have NOT forgotten that. But atleast I made attempts at understanding what I did wrong before I went around blatantly blaming the software I was using. Such irresponsible behavior is NOT expected of a Linux supporter. If you would step into #debian on freenode with such a question I'd see you being kicked and banned in a blink of an eye. Maybe I'm the one who sees such posts as threat to Linux's desktop reputation. But I certainly will not stand by while some n00b tries to install the WRONG VERSION of Linux and then blame it on the distro. That is wrong on all levels. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] cannot set resolution to 1440x900 on Debian Etch
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:59 PM, rohit bhute rvbh...@gmail.com wrote: I gave up and went back to Ubuntu 8.10. The graphics were correctly detected. This seems just to be a case of latest drivers being available in Ubuntu. Dont you dare complain. Did you take the time to actually understand what Debian Etch is all about? Let me ask you this question, what the hell were you thinking when you wrote that message in the LUG? First go and find out who is Debian Etch's target audience then write such preposterous emails asking for help. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] hard-disk queries
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 11:07 PM, rohit bhute rvbh...@gmail.com wrote: Is a HDD failure imminent? Yes. Next time do your homework before asking questions whose answers are readily available all over the internet. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] System set up for Studio on Linux
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Easwar Hariharan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: snip Please suggest a Distro which also has a large hardware compatibility. Distros don't differ much on account of hardware compatibility because they use the same kernel,what may differ is the version of the kernel and any of their own minor patches/hacks. Not true. There are distros which support a wider array of drivers. For example Redhat / Fedora kernels seem to have better support for DRI on most graphics cards while the same doesn't hold true for Debian though Ubuntu goes a step ahead with support for restricted drivers. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] ISPs Messing with TTL
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Mandar Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets restrict the discussions on this mailing list to technical issues Are you the owner / moderator of this list? The name of this list reads GNU/Linux Users Group. Yes, believe it or not GNU is a part, a LARGE part. GNU and GNU GPL were created for this very reason - freedom. ISPs keeping us shackled to a particular operating system and people like you who provide workarounds are doing nothing but helping the ISPs prove their point - Linux users are a myth. And next time you might want adhere to the guidelines of this list and reply in the same thread rather than creating a new thread. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Interesting points about privacy with Google Crome
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:38 AM, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no privacy for anything that you send thru an intermediate service provider unless it is strongly encrypted. You think that MTNL/TATA/whoever cant snoop on your data / voice /sms. While there are established legal procedures for snooping on voice and snail mail (now quite nicely mangled in the name of fighting terrorism), in most countries including Inde there are afaik no rules about net data. In this case Google is getting it's finger into your data passing thru their services. But the nature of copyright laws are such that you could create hell for google if they attempt to misuse. Still no patch on automatically phoning the base ship WITHOUT you knowing. No, you're wrong. Theres no privacy with even encryption used today because quantum computing can break any known keys. Given sufficient time and effort any encryption can be broken. You want privacy? Sorry you cant have, I'll tap into your brain waves and learn everything about or else I'll drug you and get everything out of you. Law? Who cares about it? A rogue sysadmin might be already reading all the porno websites you visited today! So please dont give false hope to people to protect their privacy using encryption / laws or whatever coz theres no such thing as privacy! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai Meet
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:49 PM, krishnakant Mane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello all. there are a few points on which I would surely like to comment. firstly I *TOTALLY AGREE* with JTD that nothing should be given for free. I and Nagarjun did experience this last year in an exhibition in SIES college where we created a set of one ubuntu cd and 2 apt-on cds (3 cd set ) in all and packed it nicely in a cardboard box with an installation and basic migration/ manual. I lost you right about here. Try to keep the reply short. It serves everybody's purpose. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Smart kiosks as an extention to manned counters.
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:41 AM, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old hat that comes to India when everbody gets tired of it. Old wine in new fancy bottle = cellphone as payment system. No need to buy any card. All the rage in Nokialand, where you can buy everything using a cellphone. If only they make that useless camera scan my finger and authenticate... The problem is SMS messages can be easily spoofed. So cellphones as a means to do transactions is a bad idea. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Port mapping in linux
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Nikhil Marathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the following situation: A windows based program that lacks proxy support is on my secondary computer, which is connected to the internet *through* the primary (linux) one. Now in windows I use AnalogX's portmapper ( http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/pmapper.htm ) so that all data received by the primary on certain ports is forwarded to a certain IP on the same ports, and any data received back is sent to the secondary computer. Is there a way to do this is Linux? I tried iptables but couldn't figure out the exact rules required. If you know the IP of that machine i.e. it is static and its MAC address then you can simply write IP tables rules to NAT only that particular machine... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora 9 DVD
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Easwar Hariharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nopes,he's not,he's at BARC.But I am! :) For everyone's info, I'm at HBCSE, Mankhurd. Next to BARC. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux Piracy
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I needed a Debian/Ubuntu/Mandriva DVD to install on my sisters new laptop. So I went around hunting for a LFY magazine for the free DVD. On my way I cam across a pirated CD stall at andheri station and was surprised to find a 'pirated' copy of Fedora core 8. I went up to him to ask for a Debian DVD. What's that?, he asked. I told him it was a Linux. So he responded that he had only two Linux... ek Fedora aur doosra 'man-drive' ;) Either ways, good to see Linux penetrating another market ;) Yup! :) I saw the same DVD ( FC8 ) outside Kurla station just yesterday! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora 9 DVD
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Vinod Raghavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: every one Does any one have fedora 9 DVD. yep. i've the ISO at work. Bring your media i'll make a copy for you. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet n/w in Etch GUI
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using Etch myself so I was surprised at this problem. Dig was working instantly. Same with pinging google's ips. Ftp downloads in terminal took place in a jiffy. It was the http connections that failed. I feel it was some security policy bug that prevented http. I can understand why you feel this way but if it was a security policy then it would either completely allow or prevent. In your case you could open Google. Anyway, try disconnecting the USB connection and keeping only the ethernet connection connected directly with the Debian machine. Let me know the result. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Internet n/w in Etch GUI
On 5/5/08, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here the net is the simple triband modem. However during install, since I had all the DVDs I chose to not use any mirror and the entire installation was off-net. Does that lock up the OS from the net in any way. It should not, at least in theory. No it shouldn't. I'm not a big fan of Debian though but try this: wget http://www.google.com It should save a file index.html. When you open it up, you should see google's home page but if this doesn't work then theres some connectivity issue. Try disconnecting the USB wire all together from the modem. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Linux compat Printer
On 4/14/08, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Print load is moderate. I require good color print for the occasional printed brochure. Any recommendations? My experience with Samsung has been great. They officially support Linux, they have the drivers, everything. Quality wise Samsung rocks :) BTW i'm not a samsung reseller or whatever. I've had a good experience with them. Thats it. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] error: bind-9.5.0-25.1.b2.fc8.src.rpm cannot be installed
On 4/10/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats ok - he got the reply from Hyderabad list, so they get the prize - next time he asks, make sure you reply fast. huh? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] error: bind-9.5.0-25.1.b2.fc8.src.rpm cannot be installed
On 4/10/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the OP usually posts his questions to several mailing lists - and gives a prize for the first mailing list to answer correctly. In this case ilughyd won - better luck next time ;-) whatever... btw does anyone have an idea if Kenneth's account has gotten cracked? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] error: bind-9.5.0-25.1.b2.fc8.src.rpm cannot be installed
On 4/9/08, Agnello George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't understand what Header SHA1 digest: BAD Expected means ?? can any one help me out here !!! I think source RPMs are meant to be compiled first and then installed. So that could be one explanation or the other is that you've got a corrupt RPM and hence the checksum is failing. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you mean you are running without a kernel? I know this is a sensitive topic but can we focus on the discussion and _not_ on the terminology? You and I ( and everyone on this list knows ) that: Rony's GNU == GNU/Linux My Linux == GNU/Linux Anybody else's Linux == GNU/Linux So it means the _same_ thing. Lets not take this thread more OT, shall we? Oh yes and I'm a hypocrite to take this thread OT in the first place ;-) Rony, Linux depends very little on the BIOSes to tell it what hardware it has. AFAIK it depends on the BIOS only for bootstrapping. Everything else is taken care by the kernel. And yes, there are a lot of retarded BIOSes compiled using the MS compiler but then we can't help it. ACPI support sucks on most machines because of such BIOSes but then we have to work around it and thats exactly what Linux attempts to do. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On 3/24/08, km [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even BIOSes compiled with MS compilers. yyaaack! Can someone point to a list of vendors who do that.. i would avoid them _As Far and Long As Possible_ I believe this would tell you if your BIOS was compiled using a Microsoft compiler: dmesg | grep MSFT You should get some output like: ACPI: FACP 3E6FC000, 0074 (r1 INTEL DG965RY 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: DSDT 3E6F8000, 3EDA (r1 INTEL DG965RY 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: APIC 3E6F7000, 0078 (r1 INTEL DG965RY 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: WDDT 3E6F6000, 0040 (r1 INTEL DG965RY 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: MCFG 3E6F5000, 003C (r1 INTEL DG965RY 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: ASF! 3E6F4000, 00A6 (r32 INTEL DG965RY 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: SSDT 3E6F3000, 01BC (r1 INTEL CpuPm 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: SSDT 3E6F2000, 0175 (r1 INTEL Cpu0Ist 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: SSDT 3E6AB000, 0175 (r1 INTEL Cpu1Ist 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: SSDT 3E6AA000, 0175 (r1 INTEL Cpu2Ist 330 MSFT 113) ACPI: SSDT 3E6A9000, 0175 (r1 INTEL Cpu3Ist 330 MSFT 113) Yes, my BIOS was also compiled on a Microsoft Compiler! :/ -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afaik the intel chipsets have relatively pathetic 3d. Your AFAIK is _wrong_. I've been using Intel's onboard graphics card and have been able to seamlessly run all 3D applications / games / whatever... Oh yes lets not forget the out-of-the-box compatibility with OpenSource drivers :) For the majority of end users (open to embrace Linux) should we tell them to wait or get something that works today? The usual devil and the deep sea decision :-(. No its not the devil and the deep sea decision. The decision is simple - go for what works :) It is amusing to see how people contradict themselves. You want people to adopt Linux BUT when things dont work, they should wait... The specs for the older chipsets have not been released (for reasons best known to AMD). But specs for the newer chipsets have been released. One would have to check which chipsets before buying. Afaik only newer mobos not yet available in India (for desktops) have these chipsets. But then who needs 3d on a server. The X1200 chip is new AFAIK. While everyone would like 3D now, it would be a little longer with X, given that this is the first time that 3d engine specs have been released at all. Oh the joy...let me go and download those specs and play bzflag in my mind! :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On 3/21/08, km [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm.. that simply means.. if i need to buy a laptop for graphics purposes, Intel would still be the best bet at my current space-time coordinates :D exactly! I've experienced that whatever laptop one buys, if it has an Intel Chipset, then it rocks! :) No graphics issues or wifi issues or whatever lest it is a really really squeaky new chipset! :P Regardless of the service support they give or fail to give at certain points in space-time :P They do give great support normally. Still, no claims there; i haven't witnessed any exhaustive chip-set tests ever. You know, the end user doesn CARE if he gets 260 FPS or 259 FPS cuz our eyes cant make out anything above 30 FPS!!! ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Your Industry profile
On 3/20/08, Agnello George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SO SORRY!! THIS IS A BIG MISTAKE ON MY BEHALF !!! DIDN'T KNOW IT TOOK ALL MY ADDRESSES IN MY ADDRESS BOOK!! THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO TO REVERSE I DO APOLOGIES AGAIN !! You should've known better. Its okay. But don't use uppercase. Incase you dont know, it means that you're shouting... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Arun Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any particular brand mobos for the AMD cpus? Well we have HCL machines at our lab. High end AMD64 X2 CPUs. Not sure the brand of the motherboard, it doesn't have drivers. We struggled to get DRI to work properly. As opposed to this my experience with every single Intel motherboard ( lowend or highend ) has been that it has worked out of the box except the last Intel board DG965RYCK. The fix for which was rolled out pretty quickly. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:18 PM, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it is HCL not AMD. ALWAYS if you want good service get a small vendor. The big guys are full of hype n hotair and outsource everything to the small guys minus the profit. All the money you pay is just to cover jazzy ads about cows and bulls on BBC. And if you are wise get the mobos and build the boxes your self. Right blame HCL for the lack of drivers. The driver issue we face is simply because the open source drivers dont work well and the proprietary NVidia ( now merged with AMD ) work like _ _ _ _. lspci -v ? 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 Host Bridge Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5000 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 99 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=68 I/O behind bridge: e000-efff Memory behind bridge: fde0-fdff Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d800-dfff Capabilities: [44] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Capabilities: [b0] Subsystem: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 PCI to PCI Bridge (Internal gfx) 00:12.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 Non-Raid-5 SATA (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device b002 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 22 I/O ports at ff00 [size=8] I/O ports at fe00 [size=4] I/O ports at fd00 [size=8] I/O ports at fc00 [size=4] I/O ports at fb00 [size=16] Memory at fe02f000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 00:13.0 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI0) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5004 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16 Memory at fe02e000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:13.1 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI1) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5004 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17 Memory at fe02d000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:13.2 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI2) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5004 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18 Memory at fe02c000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:13.3 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI3) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5004 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17 Memory at fe02b000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:13.4 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB (OHCI4) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5004 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18 Memory at fe02a000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] 00:13.5 USB Controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 USB Controller (EHCI) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5004 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 19 Memory at fe029000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [e4] Debug port 00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 SMBus Controller (rev 14) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 4385 Flags: 66MHz, medium devsel I/O ports at 0b00 [size=16] Capabilities: [b0] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 IDE (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5002 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16 I/O ports at 01f0 [size=8] I/O ports at 03f4 [size=1] I/O ports at 0170 [size=8] I/O ports at 0374 [size=1] I/O ports at f900 [size=16] 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device a002 Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 16 Memory at fe024000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SB600 PCI to LPC Bridge Subsystem: Giga-byte Technology Unknown device 5001 Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 0 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 PCI to PCI Bridge (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode]) Flags: bus master, VGA palette snoop, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64 Bus: primary=00, secondary=02, subordinate=02, sec-latency=64
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Dinesh Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right blame HCL for the lack of drivers. The driver issue we face is simply because the open source drivers dont work well and the proprietary NVidia ( now merged with AMD ) work like _ _ _ _. This system doesn't seem to have NVidia graphics card. Its an ATI Radeon X1200. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Avoid Intel motherboards
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone of you is planning to buy a system or a new motherboard then avoid Intel original ones like plague. They take more than a month to simply pick up boards in warranty and their communication channels are pathetic. My colleagues and I have some warranty boards lying with us for more than a month and they have yet to be picked up by Intel. Their service is too bad. Well, atleast Intel has a service. For GNU/Linux users, AMD Boards should be ideally avoided like plague ;) Anyway, must be a temporary thing. It wasn't that bad about a year ago... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ Cross Post ] Google Summer of Code '08
Hi Pradeepto and all GSoC followers. I have to comment on this, rather critically. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Pradeepto Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: almost taken for granted in KDE GSoC. Knowledge of Qt/KDE/PyQt framework and programming is a definite ( huge ) plus. If you are This is OK. already a contributing code to some KDE application, firstly you r0ck, nextly you did yourself a huge favour and have HUGE PLUS-PLUS :). It also works if you have been sending in patches regularly. So if you This is NOT. I've seen this kind of optional requirements A LOT and I have to totally disagree with them. By encouraging such PLUSes you guys are NOT encouraging new entrants but rather encouraging the already contributing members to earn a quick buck. I know its great to have people contribute and when money is involved it becomes even better. But by adding such PLUSes to your requirements applicants who are willing to learn BUT dont have experience are thrown out and downright discouraged. This is not the point of GSoC and the whole reason it was started for. Don't take this personally. This has been my observation one times too many and had to share it with everyone! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Harddisk woes!
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my experience never buy the latest high capacity drives. Two sizes smaller - usually abt 1.5 yrs after launch - last very long. So far the ones that are purchased immediately after launch have always failed early. Well I guess I'll keep that in mind the next time I buy a harddisk. Try out Philip Tellis' freeze method. check out the disks on another machine. Replace the disk controller board if possible. Hmm...I had tried the freeze method with my previous harddisk but it didn't work. Maybe my freezer couldn't cool the disk to such low temperatures! :P Anyway, I verified my PC's motherboard is fine. The harddisk had failed. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Bluetooth Support Linux
On 2/24/08, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I am planning to buy a usb-bluetooth device from Lam. Road, that's compatible with Linux too. What are the devices used by you and how easy is it to setup and use? On the net BlueSoleil does not have any Linux drivers for download. Check this out: http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/features.html and this too: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bluetooth-guide.xml -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Propagating GNU / Linux in schools
Thanks everyone! Sorry, couldn't reply to this thread earlier as I was ill. I took all suggestions into account ( well atleast those which came in before my scheduled lecture ). The lecture was very well received. The Freedom aspect, 3D games on Linux, Music, Chat Messenger, and other facts really got their attention. And the most important thing that REALLY got them to sit up and take notice was the fact about viruses, spyware etc... When I asked if anybody bought a legit copy of windows - all said no! When I told them that what they were doing was illegal and they could be thrown in jail for it, they really got scared =P hehe. Anyway, when I told them the virtues of Linux and the fact that I get sound sleep because 1. I am not pirating software. 2. I am assured that my system is safe :) They were very impressed :) Once again, thank you for the suggestions! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Propagating GNU / Linux in schools
Hello all, I've been invited to give a lecture on Linux ( technical + philosophical ). I want to enlighten them on the virtues of F/OSS. If any of you guys are into Linux related education / propagation activities then please let me know what might be the critical points that one must cover. Also, I think I'll show them some eye candy. Any good demos / videos available for download to showcase Compiz Fusion or the likes?? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Propagating GNU / Linux in schools
On Feb 6, 2008 3:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06-Feb-08, at 3:17 PM, Dinesh Joshi wrote: I've been invited to give a lecture on Linux ( technical + philosophical ). audience? 9th standard school students. English as well as Marathi medium. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to configure 2 CPUs on Fedora
On Feb 3, 2008 12:47 PM, Neelesh Gurjar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Xeon Quad core processor server. And I have attached one more same processor to that motherboard. So now I have two processors on one motherboard. I have already installed Fedora Core4 on that. But after attaching new processor instead of getting fast its getting slow. Specially when samba user connects samba share or nfs clients connect nfs share it takes 2-3 or more for them. Is there any spacial configuration for second CPU ? or should i have to compile kernel ? FC4 is quite old. Try upgrading to F8. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Announce] Linuxchix Mumbai Meetup
On 12/27/07, Barkha Khatri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few Linuxchix.org.in members are meeting up in Mumbai on Saturday, January 5, 2008 at Cafe Coffee Day, Dadar. Meeting is open for everyone interested to join Linuxchix India. More details have been put up on the wiki.[1] Ahem...are guys allowed too? :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] how to block yahoo chat and gtalk from squid proxy
On 12/16/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cant understand this no DMZ policy ? DMZ is DeMilitarized Zone. Any machine put in this zone is accessible directly from the outside world. No packets are filtered by the firewall and the machine is completely exposed. Please be more verbose while asking questions as I'm not clear what you mean. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] unable to configure two gateways
On 12/3/07, Agnello George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now is have one client with ip 10.0.0.5 , when i try to ping 10.0.0.5 ( following is the result ). I am neither able to ping 10.0.0.1 from my client machine ( 10.0.0.5 ) . My firewall is stoped and SElinux is disabled. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# ping 10.0.0. 8 PING 10.0.0.8 (10.0.0.8) 56(84) bytes of data. From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable From 203.199.24.154 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable too wired !! from where did i get this IP address ( 203.199.24.154 ) ??? I predict you have a line from VSNL!! :P How did I know that? Well the IP 203.199.24.154 belongs to VSNL. Now why are you getting THIS IP while pinging 10.0.0.8? Well, its YOUR fault ;) You've told the routing table to use 192.168.0.254 as the gateway for 10.0.0.0/24 IPs. So it sends the ping requests through THAT gateway. But what the heck is at the other end of 192.168.0.254? VSNL. VSNL's router i.e 203.199.24.154 doesn't know how to route your packet i.e. 10.0.0.8 so IT says Destination host unreachable. Get it? Now if you simply want 10.0.0.0/24 IPs to reach the internet then you need to setup NATing on this machine. Search for NAT Linux, IP forwarding etc... you'll get lots of resource. If you cant do it, pay me. I'll do it for you ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] how to block yahoo chat and gtalk from squid proxy
On 12/16/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup I know what is DMZ, so why not put machines in dmz ? We use it often to keep servers seperate from rest of the network. What i cant understand from your sugestion is Why not put any machine is DMZ ? DMZ is meant for exposing machines to outer world. If you dont want to expose a machine to DMZ, do not create a DMZ, simple! Thats exactly the advise I gave him my Friend! :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] how to block yahoo chat and gtalk from squid proxy
On 12/13/07, Agnello George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i block a client from accessing yahoo chat My current set ups is as follows -- have a firewall and behind it have a proxy server running on port 3128. now to block yahoo chat access i did the following in my squid.conf I'm a little late in replying. The best way to setup access control is to start with a completely closed Firewall and Proxy. Open the ports you require and setup port redirection 80 - 3128 ( if SQUID is running as transparent proxy ). Then open only THOSE services in squid which you require. Also remember NOT to NAT the machines or put ANY machine in DMZ. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] S/W to record data from GPS to PC
On Dec 8, 2007 11:29 AM, H. S. Rai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some students made GPS, which has display on LCD and serial port. Now they want to record data in a file on PC. For this can you suggest software, preferably platform independent and FOSS. They'll need to write a program to interface with the device via the serial port. There are a lot of tutorials on serial port programming. Please search the internet. I dont think theres a ready made program available to interface directly with your device lest you're using some standard protocol. You should give more details on that device. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Help reuired
On Dec 4, 2007 12:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am facing problem in sending mail from client end getting error SMTP server not responding checked it found that at server end (qmail) cpu utilization is high like avarage above 75 % with load average is also more than 2 also found spam db size is always 400 Mb which is always constant ..please suggest what is the reason for high CPU utilization / or because of spam mails takes to scan those mails. There isn't much of information in your email. Please elaborate on the problem. - What steps have you taken to investigate the problem? - What logs / error messages / warnings have you come across? - Did you try checking what is in your mail queue thats causing Qmail to go nuts? - Tell us how how many user accounts and active users are on that server? - What is the configuration of the machine? Info is the key to getting answers and avoiding flames! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] volunteers for Teacher Training Programmes
On Nov 26, 2007 6:19 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as a fallout from the NRC-FOSS meeting in Mumbai, requests for Teacher Training Programmes and installation of FOSS in labs have started coming in. Typically, TTPs will be for one or two days, and the teachers will be trained to teach FOSS subjects. We have a full schedule of what is to be taught. We will pay for travel, accommodation and a small honorarium also. Please contact us if you Hello Kenneth, can you send more info regarding the course work? I'm interested. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Cron help needed
On 11/23/07, shishu naik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to know how to use shell script in cron to automate my tasks. please give me a clear picture.. I have created a crontab for root user but the script is not running... Hey I fixed your problem!! The solution was soo simple! :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [INFO] Remote Administration using Libre Software.
On 11/21/07, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jtd wrote: On Tuesday 20 November 2007 21:46, Rony wrote: From one station, the user can monitor other desktops and have discussions with other users without having to be physically present at their terminal. Picture quality is excellent. A clarification for the above statement. The voice discussions are on the intercom, not software based. Tell the dozeman to run netmeeting and u run gnomemeeting. U can then teleconference. I will look it up. Thanks. rdesktop is a cool tool. Might not be suitable for you but try it out nevertheless. Also, a asterisk server will do good for you :P You can get rid of the stupid intercom ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to host a website on a dynamic IP was MTNL Triband Query
On 11/20/07, jtd wrote: On Tuesday 20 November 2007 21:37, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Monday 19 Nov 2007 10:38:34 jtd wrote: Not so fast. Wait for sometime for the server stats to update. Rest assured both sides are billed - u for upload, your friend for download - atleast when i checked 8 or 9 months ago.. FYI, that happened two months ago. I was _not_ billed. I do have a brain in a good, working condition; you know. One never knows if that is an asset or liability dealing with mtnl ;-). Looks like no bill for upload yipee... I'm not beating the dead horse here but I'd like to back up Mrugesh. I've uploaded ~25G. No a single bit has been charged :P And yeah yippeee.no bill for uploads :P But uploads consume a _not_so_tiny_ amount of downloads too ~5MB per hour for around 70-80MB of uploads per hour. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] MTNL Triband Query
On 11/10/07, Aman Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Im using MTNL's Triband service for accessing the Internet at home . I have never requested a static ip address from MTNL, however whenever im connected to the Internet, I see that my ip address is constant , something like 192.168.1.x , where x is the same all the time.I am new to networking and stuff so please excuse me if my questions sound a bit noobish :) Ok,so i have the following two questions : 1) Is this ip address of mine a static ip address ?. If not , then why does it stay the same all the time ? 2) If I want to host my website on my computer which anyone on the internet can access, how do i go about it ? . I have some basic idea of port forwarding and read some of the tutes on www.portforward.com, which were really informative, but im still not sure how i can host a website on my computer which anyone can access. Thanks a lot :) Hey buddy, listen up. Learn about TCP / IP. Learn about how routing is done. Learn about the different class of IPs there are out there in the wild wild wild internet :P After you do that, you'll probably understand what I'm about to say. Your machine is in the private section of the internet. ( Learn about Private IPs ). For your machine to host a server you need the following things: 1. Public IP 2. Server Port should be open With TriBand you already have a Public IP. But theres a problem. Here is how your machine connects to the internet: Internet ( A ) -- TriBand router ( B ) - Your M/C ( C ) Now the problem is C has a private IP assigned by B. B has a public IP assigned by MTNL. So how is C able to talk to the internet? Its because B NATs C. With NATing C is able to make outgoing connections but nobody can directly make a connection back to C. Why? Simply because B is in the way :P But you need to make C accessible from the outside world so that your server will be reachable. How is that done? Two methods: 1. DMZ ( Demilitarized Zone ) 2. Port forwarding 3. Bridge mode your MTNL router ( I think even Virtual server would also work ) With 1 2, certain packets arriving at B will be forwarded to C transparently. With 3, your router will be just bridge. With all the 3 methods, your machine will be visible to the outside world or atleast port 80 will be accessible ( incase of portforwarding ). Next comes the DNS. This is plain and simple. For people with dynamic IPs you need to register with dyndns or similar Dynamic DNS Provider. You need to install the their client to keep your IP updated with them. For static IPs, its as simple as setting up the DNS once :) Now I do understand that you may not have understand most things I wrote in the reply. But that is where your effort comes in. Do search for NAT, TCP, IP, Routing, DMZ, Portforwarding, etc.. etc... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] performance hit for LAMP server
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 02:12 +0530, Mehul Ved wrote: If I remember right, he said the same is working fine from outside. Give me a logical explanation as to what is wrong? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Announce: November 2007 GLUG meet at HBCSE
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 23:42 +0530, mukesh yadav wrote: I stay at santacruz. i have never been to mankhurd. so can you give a bus no. 355Ltd. It'll take a long time. Better option is to take a train to wadala. From there cross over to harbour line. You've got trains to panvel with a frequency of 4 minutes. Get down on platform no.1 @ mankhurd. Exit the station. Walk straight. Take a right. Bang! HBCSE :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] performance hit for LAMP server
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 15:13 +0530, rohit bhute wrote: Yes. However, before I take it upstairs (for the admins to start fiddling with Squid - I'm just the junior web dev), there are some points I feel that take Squid out of the picture and ask me to look at the LAMP server. tsk tsk. okay, listen up kiddies :P ( no offense meant ), in the sysadmin business theres one thing that EVERYONE should REMEMBER. It's like a directive from God :P Don't fix it if it ain't broken! Repeat it several times and _dont_ do this again. Lets look at the facts: Fact 1: Old Server ran PHP4, MySQL4 Fact 2: New server runs PHP5, MySQL5 Fact 3: App was probably coded in the PHP4 environment ( this is actually an inference that I'm making out of your statements ) Fact 4: See [1] Fact 5: PHP5 breaks many PHP4 apps :P Fact 6: MySQL5 also is responsible for breaking stuff coded for MySQL4 ( please read the release notes for further info ;) ) I hope you can understand what I'm getting at. Your app is probably behaving weirdly because of the incompatibilities between PHP4 and PHP5. I suspect MySQL ain't the source of the problem. Now, a personal note. Take this as constructive criticism. Next time you guys get the itch of upgrading stuff, please set up a box and test your upgrades. If not that, atleast read the release notes of the softwares whose major version numbers are changing ( PHP, MySQL, RHEL in this case ). It'll give you a clue as to what you might expect. I really feel you should downgrade to your older configuration. I seriously dont understand why everyone wants bleeding edge stuff? RHEL3 is properly supported by Redhat. If you can't afford the support, install CentOS. Geez what were your seniors thinking??? :O [1] - 1. The Squid config hasn't changed (that I know of) from before the problem occurred to now - it hasn't been changed in years. Period. 2. Other sites are working fine. 3. This wasn't occurring before the upgrade. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Problem configuring yum and webcam in fedora 7 on acer 4710z
On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 17:39 +0530, Vidyadhar Bhise wrote: Internet connection on my laptop is taken from my windows xp desktop. and i am a newbie with linux. Please guide to restore yum and also regarding the webcam. thank you. Get your machine to HBCSE. Someone will take a look at it. I'm there on most days but confirm with me before you come. Why not try a different distro till then? Say debian? Ubuntu? Mandriva? Slackware?? -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] QEMU/VIRTUALBOX on ubuntu 7.10: UPDATE
On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 15:08 +0530, Abhishek Daga wrote: Now trying to install QEMU on a 7.10 desktop edition AMD64. Is your requirement strictly QEMU / VirtualBox? Are you open to Xen? Also, with QEMU ensure that you install kqemu mod. It makes a hell of a difference. If you're one of the puritans, then Xen is the only real alternative to the kqemu-mod. Regards to your Win* installation experience, I think you'll have a better time with QEMU / Xen. I've installed Win / Lin hosts inside QEMU and they've actually acted as web / database servers. Work quite well. Network setup is a piece of cake. Xen is PITA for networking though :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Need Help on Linux Clustering
On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 17:50 +0530, Neelesh Gurjar wrote: Please tell me if you want anything else See JTD's reply to your post. Reply to my questions. And DONT start a new thread. Reply to the earlier posts to keep the continuity. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need Help on Linux Clustering
On Fri, 2007-10-19 at 02:22 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: On 10/19/07, Dinesh Joshi wrote: I think he tried his best to explain the problem he has at hand. From what I can guess, he probably doesn't know much (anything?) about Lack of knowledge doesn't exempt anyone from asking for help in layman's terms. or try to ask targeted questions so that he is sure of himself (probably too much of a pain) or simply shut up. Go back and read my post. I have put in not 1, not 2 but *7* points which any sane human being would've put in while asking a question. Probably you missed it. Your reply was not helpful at all, rather it was highly inflammatory. Next time think 10 times before you ask someone to SHUT UP on a public mailing list. Stop playing the devils advocate. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need Help on Linux Clustering
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 19:23 +0530, Neelesh Gurjar wrote: I work in NGO. They are migrating from windows to Linux. They can't spend so much money on servers. Oh yes one more thing. Linux is FREE as in Freedom and not as in Free Beer. Just because some versions are charged $0 doesn't mean that it is cheap quality, free software. Make sure they understand FREE as in Freedom and NOT otherwise. Reducing expenditure, cost cutting shouldn't be the reason to switch to Linux. Reduced costs, reduced headaches are just side effects of the switch :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Need Help on Linux Clustering
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 19:23 +0530, Neelesh Gurjar wrote: I work in NGO. They are migrating from windows to Linux. They can't spend so much money on servers. They have around 50 PCs. So I want to setup cluster on 2-3 PCs or more than that for setting up server. I am excepted to get their collective output. So that it will be compatible with one server. I heard that it can be done with Linux Clustering. Do anybody have any idea on this ? Next time, try to include some *useful* information rather than verbosely explaining some vague problem. What points could've made your question better and would've possibly gotten better ( and *more* ) replies are: 1. Purpose of the old Windows machines 2. What are their requirements? 3. What are their _expectations_ from the Linux machines? 4. What would be the job of the other 46-47 machines? 5. What kind of cluster are you looking at? 6. Define: their collective output? 7. What infrastructure do they have? Do they have a n/w? Speak up! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi P.S.: I say we FTD / completely ignore people who expect us to be mind readers! What say? Please *fork* a thread for this :P -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Talk for free using jaxtr?
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 23:33 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Strange, I didn't get the original mail. probably your spam filters are very active ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Tata Indicom Broadband @ Linux box
On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 08:26 +0530, Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote: Don't know if this is worth adding into the wiki. Maybe it should be, My my...another bakra falls prey to TATA Indicom ;) ( Not a flamebait :) ). BTW, the way you login to TI is dependent on the way they provide you with the wire. In the places where they have their own last mile, they probably use the cyberoam client. Where they used shared fiber they use PPPoE ( what you're using ). So please make a note on the wiki that this procedure may NOT be valid for all. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] [Announce] Yahoo! Bangalore Open Hack Day
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 06:46 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: I hereby propose that the list rules be amended to include hacking (other than ethical hacking) as a subject worthy of discussion herein. Hacking is inherently ethical. Cracking is unethical. There is no such thing as ethical hacking or unethical cracking. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Open Office Solution Required
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 20:57 +0530, Rony wrote: It is not hilarious when M$ Office multi-user license will be procured, in the new machines that will be supplied, due to the critical nature of the work. I don't expect buggy packages to be available on repos even after newer versions are out. BTW, most M$ users who use non-licensed copies, are using software copies that are quite some years old, they have no access to updates, yet they hardly find any problems or bugs in their software and are happily using them. I'm neither defending Microsoft and nor am I criticising Linux. Rony, Linux isn't really ready for the mission critical desktop applications. I know exactly what you mean when you say the above statements. OOo can't be a replacement to M$ Office, just yet. It has a long way to go before it matures into a real competitor. Till then I dont think we can truly pitch Linux for the desktops / workstations where such work is to be carried out. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] postfix question !!!
On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 17:48 +0530, Agnello George wrote: what is the difference between SMTPD server and smtp client ??? What is the difference between Apache and Firefox? The same difference is between smtpd and smtp client ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Open Office Solution Required
On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 00:03 +0530, Rony wrote: What I do is tell the client about libre software and in many cases they are willing to give it a shot. I don't interfere too much with their choices as they have to use it ultimately for all their daily work, not I. My purpose is to introduce them to freedom, not drag them to it. And I do it single handedly. When I had put up the problem on the list, there was not much help in terms of a workaround. It was only when the pin was pricked in the sensitive spot that everyone jumped up and responded. Hmm...yes. I got a query a few months ago to migrate an office to Linux. The problem was and still is that I cant outright recommend Linux for Workstations / Desktops for the kind of work they do - Tally, M$ Office ( Word + Excel + PP ) and some custom made s/w. Why? Simply because Linux sucks on the desktop. There would be too much headache for them to setup, maintain those machines, train their staff AND then put up with randomness that comes along with each update of OOo. I remember very well that someone one this list posted that OOo of Fedora worked better ( faster ) than the same version of OOo of Ubuntu. To put it on record, I tried out the sorting of colours test at HBCSE today and Krish and Patwardhan are witness to it that it did not work on both their machines using OO. Haha...must've been frustrating. Almost everyone (?) on this list reported that it worked... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] How-to: Configuring Kate to compile C, C++, Java programs
On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 18:55 +0100, Roshan wrote: (Wonder, if this could get into KDE docs of Kate as well, Docbook programmers around? ;) /Yes, too much !)) I'm working on Docbook right now. I would be more than happy to help ya out. Lemme know what you need. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] BoF meet anyone?
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 12:08 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 06-Sep-07, at 1:05 AM, Dinesh Joshi wrote: I distinctly remember when I came here as a newbie and posted a question. It was you who told me not to top post. I didn't know what it was, so I read up on it and modified my subsequent posts accordingly. strangely enough it was PT who taught me about top posts also - and I had been top posting for over three years on mailing lists without knowing what it was Guess PT teaches everyone how NOT to TP :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] BoF meet anyone?
On Tue, 2007-09-04 at 19:19 +0530, Philip Tellis wrote: I applaud Roshan :) You people should be ashamed of themselves. A poor n00b makes one mistake and everyone goes yapping and yapping and yapping his question was answered in a separate thread, however, it is also the list's responsibility to teach newbies about the etiquette of communities that they join. By doing what? Jumping on the poor kid and pounding him till his atoms are split? I say kick him out for recycling a thread. That way he'll learn better and quicker. Nobody learns when 20 people make sarcastic comments to a already confused person! I distinctly remember when I came here as a newbie and posted a question. It was you who told me not to top post. I didn't know what it was, so I read up on it and modified my subsequent posts accordingly. And if *you* ( and everyone of you ) think back, then you too were newbies at some point. Nobodys a born genius... -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] BoF meet anyone?
On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 18:25 +0100, Roshan wrote: Check if you have the include files (such as stdio.h in the /usr/include directory. Also, it is likely you don't have build-essential package installed on Ubuntu. (Which version of Ubuntu?) sudo apt-get install build-essential should install the package. (Or you could, use Adept) if you are comfortable with it). I applaud Roshan :) You people should be ashamed of themselves. A poor n00b makes one mistake and everyone goes yapping and yapping and yapping while the newbie is left clueless. I wonder if he read Roshan's reply. Anyway, Amiya Sahoo, the reason you're getting these errors is because gcc is unable to find the include files ( headers ). The resolution to such a problem is to download the appropriate development package. I'm a n00b in Ubuntu but as someone suggested you'll need to download build-essential package using apt-get. apt-get is a commandline utility to install software. Please search for more info on apt-get on whatever search engine of your choice :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] RHEL which works on intel g965ry and above m/bs
On Sat, 2007-09-01 at 05:54 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: afaik only FC7, Mandriva spring and latest gentoo work on this board I use FC6 on that board. Needs some kernel parameters to get it going. The list archives has my installation report. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] installing fedora 7 through LAN
On Sat, 2007-09-01 at 14:38 +0530, mukesh yadav wrote: hi, i want to install FC 7 in my college PCthe problem i'm facing here is that in my college's LAN there is only one computer which got Combo Drive.. and i want to install it in another PC. I have heard thet we can install through LAN or from harddisk but i dont know the procedure.. please tell me the procedure step by step. The whole procedure is documented here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/ch-other-install-methods.html Please dont expect spoon feeding. Fedora or any Linux distro, for that matter, are pretty well documented. Do try and search before you post. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] RHEL which works on intel g965ry and above m/bs
On Fri, 2007-08-31 at 08:41 +, amit453d wrote: Hello, I would like to know which RHEL linux works in Intel G965RY and higher motherboards. I have tried to install RHEL WS v4 in Intel G965RY m/b but it was not installing , giving error reated to PCIe and hanging there. PLz suggest which Linux will work in this m/b. Fix your line wrapping please. FC6 and later versions work with 965 chipsets. FC6 needs a little tweaking. I dont know about FC7. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Desktop Linux distro.
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 13:43 +0530, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: The thing is, people other than you also have likes, dislikes, opinions, points of view etc. For example, I don't know about anyone else, but I dislike the way you state your opinions. Now that's just my opinion. Flame bait? Geez...grow up. The issue is absolutely nothing to do with anybody's likes/dislikes. The issue is about unsuspecting newbies falling into the microvell trap. Are we OT already? Are personal attacks counted as OT?! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Desktop Linux distro.
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 18:45 +0530, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Heh. No. It surely looked like to me. Oh I'm sorry, I just gave another opinion. That's opinion. You're not talking anything technical or objective. You're talking relative terms. Yes an opinion on the background of the microvell deal. It stressed on the fact that there are better alternatives to SuSE. And that everythings possible in other distros too and they're equally, if not better, at the user experience. And anyway, do notice the fact that quite a few opensuse developers contribute a lot of good stuff. Yes I do notice that fact. I ( and possible millions of others ) are not happy with the microvell deal and the implications on the community. Hence the SuSE cricism / bashing / whatever you want to call it. Yeah I guess they are. So, I'm not allowed to state my opinion about you but you're allowed to attack Novell/SuSE? Your opinion about me has nothing technical OR objective ( to quote you ). You're not even on the subject!!! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 21:39 +0530, Rony wrote: I think a polite constructive letter to Mr. Ratan Tata, pointing him to the low point reached by the great brand that once symbolised ethics and professionalism may help improve things in the near future. Sometimes the middle level managers do not present the right picture to the top bosses. Hes Ratan Tata. If hes really that great then he should've figured out by himself, right? No intention of flaming but if the higher ups are really serious about customer satisfaction then it reflects in the lower rung employees too. Let us please end this thread on this note. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Desktop Linux distro.
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 12:04 -0700, Raza Sayed wrote: One of my friends would be giving me a copy of Debian Etch . Would that be good enough ?. What are your requirements? Please tell us. What kinda work do you expect out of your linux distro? Also, over the years i've learnt that you should mix and match! Experiment with differetn distros. Dont put any critical work on your install. Try a few flavors of Linux and see which suits to the best. I did that and finally settled with Redhat. Now i'm hooked into Fedora 24x7 :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Bind and DNS Cache
On Sun, 2007-08-26 at 21:57 +0530, Rony wrote: Hello All, We were discussing DNS caching and the bind configuration. However, bind is a DNS server whereas we only want a DNS cache that updates itself automatically. Maybe I understood it wrong but on the net I found this link for DNS caching. It uses a package called dnsmasq. It works on my system. First time I do dig google.com it takes 42 ms. second time 2 sec. http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/local-dns-cache-for-faster-browsing/ Ronny is right. BIND is waay too heavy if you want just a caching DNS server. There are lots of smaller, less resource intensive servers for Linux. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Sat, 2007-08-25 at 01:17 +0530, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Yes. Ah... :P Well I have no idea about TCS but TATA Retail services are horrible ;) ( Including TATA Motors ) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Sat, 2007-08-25 at 10:14 +0530, jtd wrote: Tata Indicom FWT and CDMA usbmodem works reasonably well. The FWTs have a downtime of about 3 days per year. And they actually had a tech suport guy 3 yrs back in Pune who new something about Linux. The local call center zombie would patch u on to Prasad (afair) if u said linux. TATA Indicom sent bills when I was not their customer. TATA Indicom tried conning me. They had the guts to actually threaten me with legal action. TATA bought over 7star and screwed up the one decent cable ISP in my area... If you want I can go on and on about horrible things that TATA has done in my life. I'm not alone. Search for horror stories while dealing with TATA. They're something out of your nightmare :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Sat, 2007-08-25 at 05:30 -0400, Anurag wrote: Yeah, right. And this is the right forum to voice your opinions on TATA. Digression :P -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re:[OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 09:43 +0530, Mohan Nayaka wrote: On 8/22/07, Easwar Hariharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS:Has somebody experienced considerable improvement in performance after switching from MTNL DNS to OpenDNS? I have seen some improvements with openDNS, but some strangeness still continues. Even after gmail opens, going from inbox to another message shows Looking up ... in the status bar. Maybe I have to use Anurag's idea of a caching proxy server too, to overcome this silliness. A caching DNS proxy server ( bind or the likes ) wont help if there is a routing problem. And this does _not_ help with the problem of lookup happening properly and pages opening very slowly.\\ -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 17:00 +0530, Rony wrote: When the IPTV would be down, I cross checked it with internet access and that worked. If quality of cabling is not good, its MTNL's job to rectify it. It is earning well. Why should lines go down every monsoon in spite of using jelly filled or sealed joints. This year my lines were down for 21 days. Luckily I had unsubscribed Yup. They ought to rectify the cabling problem. Whats the freakin' 250 bucks a month they take from us for??? :) Now we are happily using TATA Sky. Isko laga dala AhahahaahhahahahahahahahahhahahahhaaI pity you!!! ahahahahahahhah ahahaha hahahahha hahahhahaahahahhahahaha... I wont touch ANYTHING TATA with a gazillion zillion feet long pole. Ahahahahahaaha...I pity you!!! -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 21:20 +0530, Rony wrote: At least you can pray for me. ;) Apologies for sounding a little overzealous but I have had horrible experiences with TATA. I'm not alone, I'm sure. So, beware of what may befall you as even God can't help you once TATA starts screwing you ;) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 15:13 +0530, Rony wrote: It does not boot up and keeps trying again and again. If by chance the system is up, while watching the movie, the pic will keep freezing. Plus MTNL and IOL do not have a proper coordination between them. It was quite frustrating for our family to sit in front of the set and keep watching only booting messages repeatedly. IPTV isn't really as well packaged as TriBand was / is. BTW Triband still rocks. It has minor problems now and then but nothing too big as compared to the cable ISPs i've seen. So chill :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] 'commercial'
On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 12:46 +0530, Kauser Ayaz wrote: Need work done on PHP on commercial basis. Kauser Ayaz Mobile : +91 99670 36435 Please mail details offlist :) -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] DNS,google and MTNL triband
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 07:18 +0530, Rohit V Bhute wrote: Amish Mehta wrote: Yes its been so from about 2 weeks. Any site stops responding randomly. Sometimes Yahoo or sometimes Google or sometimes MSN stops. Traceroute shows problems in routing. If you disconnect and reconnect 1-2 times, it picks up new route and site starts working. I second that. I was using OpenDNS. Replaced their IPs with MTNL DNS IPs. But behavior continues. I third that. At first I too thought it might be a DNS issue but it seems to be a routing issue. -- Regards, Dinesh A. Joshi -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
