Re: [ILUG-BOM] keyboard freezes in one session in kde
On Thursday 09 October 2008 15:24:20 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, I have a mandriva spring 2008 box with kde which has 3 users. From today, for one of the users the keyboard does not work after entering kde, but for the other users it works perfectly. For the user for whom it doesnt work, login screen works, she can type password, and thats it. Any clues? Interesting. I just faced that yesterday on KDE 4.1 on hardy. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] keyboard freezes in one session in kde
On Saturday 11 October 2008 13:50:48 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 11 October 2008 01:36:37 pm Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2008 15:24:20 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, I have a mandriva spring 2008 box with kde which has 3 users. From today, for one of the users the keyboard does not work after entering kde, but for the other users it works perfectly. For the user for whom it doesnt work, login screen works, she can type password, and thats it. Any clues? Interesting. I just faced that yesterday on KDE 4.1 on hardy. so how did you solve it? Haven't. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] keyboard freezes in one session in kde
On Saturday 11 October 2008 21:02:30 Rony wrote: I had faced a similar problem when using Kubuntu 6.06 on the laptop. After login, the keyboard would be useless. I could not pin point the problem but I deleted the .kde folder in the home directory and everything was restored to default settings. All customization of KDE was lost. However I got my keyboard back. I had thought of that, but didn't actually do it. I need to figure exactly which setting caused this. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] [COMMERCIAL] Fwd: Geodesic needs perl hackers
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Fwd: Geodesic needs perl hackers Date: Monday 22 Sep 2008 From: Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Bangalore Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geodesic Information Systems Ltd. (http://geodesic.com) is a reputed, rapidly growing company, listed on the BSE and NSE, and well known for its Mundu range of products. We urgently require competent, experienced perl hackers, with both web and MIS processing experience. Additional experience in things like Asterisk, web frameworks, etc. are desirable, and should be highlighted. If you qualify, we want to hear from you. Send your resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and make sure to include samples of your work. Atul Chitnis Senior Vice President Geodesic Information Systems Ltd. http://geodesic.com --- End forwarded message --- --- -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] script to start process automatically
On Saturday 15 Mar 2008 16:47:40 Agnello George wrote:
#!/bin/sh -x
Are you sure you want sh and not bash? sh is a good standard compliant
practise, but if you're not going for portability, I'd highly recommend bash.
Keep in mind, that on Debian/Ubuntu, sh is now linked to dash instead of
bash.
SERVICES= `ls -la /etc/init.d/ |awk '{print $9 }' |sed -e
's/[^[:alnum:]]//g'`
awk and sed together is... hmm, a waste of resources. Two extra processes for
no reason. Awk does everything sed can and sed does everything grep can, so
stuff like `grep | sed' or `sed | awk' and vice versa is bad.
if [ $(ps -aux|grep -v grep |grep $i |wc -l) != 0 ];
This one is `ouch'. You need this:
http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] [LONG] [RANT] Ubuntu and Quality Control
On Sunday 16 Mar 2008 10:25:22 Raj Mathur wrote: Before Ubuntu came onto the scene, I didn't even /know/ what a regression was. Today it's a common word in my lexicon, because of Ubuntu's pathetic testing and quality control process (or lack of process, more likely). An operating system vendor who issues a package with a syntax error (so that the package doesn't even start up, leave alone do something wrong), is a pure crap snake oil vendor in my book. So, the question: will I trust Ubuntu on an Internet-connected system? Nah. Will I trust Ubuntu on a server? Er, please excuse me while I finishing laughing hysterically! Use Debian or CentOS or any of those reasonably tested other distributions for your boxes, and when someone asks you to use Ubuntu, in the immortal words of Fancy Raygun, ``Just Say No!''. /me concurs. I go exclusively with Debian and CentOS on servers. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Gentoo refuses to boot.
On Wednesday 06 Feb 2008 17:47:54 Easwar Hariharan wrote: On Feb 5, 2008 10:13 PM, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 03 Feb 2008 18:55:09 Easwar Hariharan wrote: kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.19-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/hda9 2.6.19 introduced libata in the kernel. All hda's are detected as sda if libata drivers are used. Boot into Ubuntu. Mount the Gentoo partition and paste the device.map file in Gentoo's /boot/grub/ There's no /boot/grub since I did NOT install Gentoo's grub.There's only a /boot with the following: OK, first, fdisk /dev/hda in Ubuntu and make sure it doesn't complain about partition numbers not being in order. If they are, switch to expert mode with `x', fix the order with `f', come back to the normal mode with `r' and then save and quite with `w'. If the above is not the issue, try using sda9 as root instead of hda9 in the kernel line. Ideally, figure out where genkernel stores its kernel config and do a grep -i ata on it and send us the output. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Gentoo refuses to boot.
On Thursday 07 Feb 2008 12:15:24 Rony wrote: IMHO, for kernel hacking its fine but for learning Linux administration and packages, all this will tie him down and divert him from other post installation tasks. For starters, a system that works fairly out of the box should suffice. I completely disagree. I've learnt of so many issues that I'd never come across had I not used Gentoo. Some of them have been Gentoo specific of course, but that happens on all the distros. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Some candidates for the Delhi Hall of Shame
On Monday 04 Feb 2008 22:44:29 Easwar Hariharan wrote: Hi, Some sites which I felt fit the bill for being in the hall of shame. http://bankofindia.com Internet Banking doesn't work(shows a Security Error!,LOL) when used with FF but works perfectly with IE.Plus there is a declared statement at the bottom of every page:Works best with IE 5.5 or better http://irctc.co.in Same statement as above is present at the bottom of very page. Weird. Either I've never had this issue or I've failed to notice it. As it is, I have been using the site with konqueror for ages and it has worked perfectly fine... though haven't been there in a while. Oh and I let the browser identify itself normally. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ILUG-Bom]Gentoo refuses to boot.
On Sunday 03 Feb 2008 18:55:09 Easwar Hariharan wrote: kernel /boot/kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.19-gentoo-r5 root=/dev/hda9 2.6.19 introduced libata in the kernel. All hda's are detected as sda if libata drivers are used. Boot into Ubuntu. Mount the Gentoo partition and paste the device.map file in Gentoo's /boot/grub/ -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to host a website on a dynamic IP was MT NL Triband Query
On Monday 19 Nov 2007 10:38:34 jtd wrote: On Sunday 18 November 2007 12:25, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Sunday 18 Nov 2007 07:16:33 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: i have serious doubts as to whether uploads are not calculated. BSNL counts uploads also. Transferred over 400MB over scp to a friend of mine during daytime, ie, paid hours. None of it reflected in my traffic count. I'm on the NU plan btw. Not so fast. Wait for sometime for the server stats to update. Rest assured both sides are billed - u for upload, your friend for download - atleast when i checked 8 or 9 months ago.. FYI, that happened two months ago. I was _not_ billed. I do have a brain in a good, working condition; you know. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Slow USB Transfers
On Tuesday 20 Nov 2007 20:47:36 Amit Joshi wrote: I am using Gentoo Linux with 2.6.21-suspend2-r7 kernel. I don't know if I have missed out on some part in kernel compilation, but all USB Transfers seem to be pretty slow. I get an average speed of around 2MBPs and after a while the transfer stalls completely. Not to mention the USB version is 2.0 and the Flash Drives are working very well on Windows. I don't know if this is an issue with Linux in general. Have you read the Gentoo Linux USB Guide[1]? [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/usb-guide.xml And it might help to keep an eye on the logs in general. I generally redirect kern.* to /dev/tty11 and switch to it when I plug the device in. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] How to host a website on a dynamic IP was MTNL Triband Query
On Sunday 18 Nov 2007 07:16:33 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: i have serious doubts as to whether uploads are not calculated. BSNL counts uploads also. Transferred over 400MB over scp to a friend of mine during daytime, ie, paid hours. None of it reflected in my traffic count. I'm on the NU plan btw. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] article on rediff: linux for visually impaired
On Sunday 28 Oct 2007 20:45:20 Rony wrote: jtd wrote: On Friday 26 October 2007 22:02, Rony wrote: Hi Dinesh, It happens very often that discussions with FOSS lovers tend to result in personal attacks or remarks whenever they run out of technical arguments . Or when the non foss crowd paints nontech args as gods dispensations, which therfore cant be debated technically and then decide that the ensuing flak is a personal attack. They stick to technical points. It is the FOSS guys that take liberties. Personal comments against debating persons are a sign of weakness. *gollum gollum* -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Software powering the President of India's website
On Monday 08 Oct 2007 20:51:04 Rony wrote: G Karunakar wrote: when Dr Kalam was there there was his team which managed the site, after he moved out, he migrated it to www.abdulkalam.com along with all his speeches during his tenure, but later leaving few presidential addreses, most are now missing (must be that RB or GOI decided that all his speeches as president may not be outside in public domain!).. meanwhile management of the website has fallen back upon NIC, which is using its old setup (of Windows/IIS) .. much of the site being similar to what it was before Dr Kalam got it changed, with just little cosmetic changes! After new president was sworn in, the site was down for couple of weeks, with throwing up 404's or no content. With due respect, he should have made the NIC guys switch to FOSS instead of getting it done by his team. This is what clients can fear about foss. After the foss guy is gone, who will maintain his systems? 'Teach a man how to fish.' Eh. Typical! I'm beginning to think that this whole FOSS thingie is becoming as bullish as Microsoft or insert your most hated proprietary software vendor here. Dr. Kalam did what was in his power. Forcing NIC to change to FOSS would be abusing the power, because you see, the NIC people might not agree with his point of view that FOSS is better. Or maybe, they just don't have the man-power or the expertise to run the damn things on FOSS. You know, get out of the damn shell for once. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Regarding Nagios Network Monitoring Tool
On Friday 21 Sep 2007 17:24:42 zoheb ashraf wrote: Dear ILUG-BOM, I am having very critical probkem regarding Nagios Network Monitoring Tool. As I installed nagios in Redhat Linux AS4 through RPM and i dont know what to do after that, I think i have to do Some changes in configuration file RTFM. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] iptables setting problem
On Friday 14 Sep 2007 23:10:04 Mohan Nayaka wrote: On 9/14/07, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as you use command line its ok. Servers don't use X environment so everything is in command line. Just curious, is ncurses common on servers? In case you want to recompile your kernel. Toolchain on a server? The admin should kill himself. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Desktop Linux distro.
On Thursday 30 Aug 2007 13:01:29 Dinesh Joshi wrote: I dont mean to take this discussion off topic but what the heck is so attractive about SuSE Linux? I've seen it a couple of times, I didnt see anything different from other distros. The UI wasn't even that polished. It didn't do anything so different that we don't have Free alternatives to it! I'd say Ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian, Fedora, Slackware, Sabayon are much better alternatives. The thing is, people other than you also have likes, dislikes, opinions, points of view etc. For example, I don't know about anyone else, but I dislike the way you state your opinions. Now that's just my opinion. Are we OT already? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Best Desktop Linux distro.
On Thursday 30 Aug 2007 16:43:27 Dinesh Joshi wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 13:43 +0530, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: The thing is, people other than you also have likes, dislikes, opinions, points of view etc. For example, I don't know about anyone else, but I dislike the way you state your opinions. Now that's just my opinion. Flame bait? Geez...grow up. Heh. No. The issue is absolutely nothing to do with anybody's likes/dislikes. The issue is about unsuspecting newbies falling into the microvell trap. quote I dont mean to take this discussion off topic but what the heck is so attractive about SuSE Linux? I've seen it a couple of times, I didnt see anything different from other distros. The UI wasn't even that polished. It didn't do anything so different that we don't have Free alternatives to it! I'd say Ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian, Fedora, Slackware, Sabayon are much better alternatives. /quote That's opinion. You're not talking anything technical or objective. You're talking relative terms. And anyway, do notice the fact that quite a few opensuse developers contribute a lot of good stuff. Are we OT already? Are personal attacks counted as OT?! Yeah I guess they are. So, I'm not allowed to state my opinion about you but you're allowed to attack Novell/SuSE? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sudoers confusion
On Monday 20 Aug 2007 21:39:05 Nachiketa Sadhu wrote: Anurag wrote: Quoting Nachiketa Sadhu ??? [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have put in the /etc/sudoers file the following line: sadhu ALL=(root) NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/yumex sadhu ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/yumex that works? Unfortunately no. It does not make any difference. Really stupid question, but I'm following Sherlock Holmes here. `When you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains; however improbable, must be the truth'.. So, did you actually run `sudo yumex' or just yumex? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Grub error 17,cannot boot into Ubuntu
On Thursday 09 Aug 2007 19:39:44 Easwar Hariharan wrote: snip Please post `fdisk -l', grub.conf and `ls -l /boot' and fstab. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Pushing Linux through small vendors
On Monday 30 Jul 2007 20:35:33 Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: On 7/30/07, Dinesh Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. With average machines, it performs slow It is slower than Office 2000 but definitely faster than Office XP. Benchmark? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] NRCFOSS Seminar, Sunday 29th July
On Thursday 26 Jul 2007 23:34:39 Mohan Nayaka wrote: On 7/25/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone (who attended the session) (or host?) mention the previous session's highlights (whatever was covered) directly to the wiki or post it to the list? (as mentioned above) Who would be conducting this one? Anurag and I have divided the topics between ourselves. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] NRCFOSS Seminar, Sunday 29th July
On Saturday 28 Jul 2007 14:16:44 mehul wrote: On 7/28/07, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anurag and I have divided the topics between ourselves. And what time? Wiki also seems to be down at this time so cannot check if it's up there. Like I've already mentioned, 2pm. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] NRCFOSS Seminar, Sunday 29th July
On Saturday 28 Jul 2007 17:36:39 Mohan Nayaka wrote: On 7/28/07, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 Jul 2007 23:34:39 Mohan Nayaka wrote: On 7/25/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone (who attended the session) (or host?) mention the previous session's highlights (whatever was covered) directly to the wiki or post it to the list? (as mentioned above) Who would be conducting this one? Anurag and I have divided the topics between ourselves. Is this session interactive? I mean, do we play on the boxes in the FOSS lab? Yes. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] NRCFOSS Seminar, Sunday 29th July
Greetings. Firstly, thanks to all those who attended the seminar on 22nd. I hope everyone enjoyed and benefited from it. The second seminar on bash will be held on Sunday, 29th July. The venue is the same: FOSS lab, Mechanical Department, VJTI. Please note that, this seminar will be conducted at 2pm, unlike the previous. Following topics will be covered: Functions Shell Arithmetic Positional Parameters POSIX Regular Expressions and if time permits, Parameter Expansion. The seminar is free of cost and everyone is invited. Regards. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Fedora7 with Multimedia--Installation Report.
On Wednesday 25 Jul 2007 19:58:39 Rony wrote: But works perfectly fine for me. What exactly is the problem that you are facing? It does not register the keys as they are. It goes haywire. I can't even exit. The one time that happened to me, I had accidentally turned on the itrans keymap in skim. So, whenever I typed in q, it took it to be क़् I guess vim doesn't recognise that ;) Oh, I was using vim in konsole. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] NRCFOSS Mumbai Seminars
On Thursday 19 Jul 2007 08:50:16 T Jayarajan wrote: Hi list, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: NRCFOSS Mumbai is pleased to announce a series of seminars on various topics related to FOSS. The first of them has been scheduled on Sunday, 22nd July. It will be conducted at the FOSS lab in the Mechanical Department at VJTI from 1pm onwards. Please note that the PHP seminar will also take place in the morning on the same day. From Prashant [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], we have got the following message on 18th July: Hello friends, Sorry about this but the first seminar dates are on hold since IBM is holding a event on the same day at VJTI. Unless I get a confirmation from VJTI or a new place to hold the meeting I cant commit any dates. If anyone has access to a place to hold the meetup please let me know asap. Regards. Which is true? Please clarify. Uhhh the bash seminar arranged in the afternoon is still on. The php seminar is entirely Mr. Prashant Shah's decision. I repeat, the bash seminar is happening at 1 pm as announced. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] NRCFOSS Mumbai Seminars
Greetings. NRCFOSS Mumbai is pleased to announce a series of seminars on various topics related to FOSS. The first of them has been scheduled on Sunday, 22nd July. The topic of the seminar is Bash Scripting. It will be conducted at the FOSS lab in the Mechanical Department at VJTI from 1pm onwards. Everyone is invited to the seminar and the entry is free of cost. Please note that the PHP seminar will also take place in the morning on the same day. Thank you. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sify - Deja Vu ... port 143/993 - IMAP :/
On Monday 16 Jul 2007 19:05:02 Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote: Hi, Since last few hours I think they fixed the problem partially. Only 143 has been opened but 993 is still blocked as far as I can see. Just to give you an idea, I have been trying thier helpline number most of the weekend but only managed to get though yesterday and I was promised do ghante mein thik ho jaayega. koi aapko phone karega. Oh and they asked me for remote IP again. I wonder what do they do with that. Instead of SSL on port 993; see if TLS is supported on 143. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Technical] Using the Motorola A1200 mobile phone with Linux
On Saturday 14 Jul 2007 14:30:20 Raj Mathur wrote: As promised, I've done a terse write-up on using the Motorola A1200 (MotoMing) mobile phone with Linux. Rough first cut is available at: http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/MotorolaA1200 Feedback welcome. Good stuff. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Sify - Deja Vu ... port 143/993 - IMAP :/
On Saturday 14 Jul 2007 15:10:58 vivek khurana wrote: Again, gives strength to my hypothesis of dumbhead sysadmin. Yeah. Makes me wonder what the use of blocking all those outgoing ports is. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Search for PERL web developers
On Friday 13 Jul 2007 15:26:06 Kashyap Dalal wrote: Any help will be appreciated and apologies for this being spam to some of you. The norm is to tag the email [commercial] in such cases. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 51, Issue 14
On Monday 09 Jul 2007 20:24:46 Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Monday 09 Jul 2007 19:49:51 Nirav Mehta wrote: Hi All, VJTI, Mechanical Engineering Department is available as the venue on Sunday 15th July. The date is fixed. 21st July. If we can have another venue, that can accommodate more people, we can change the venue. If not, let's keep it the same. So, do we have something else available for 21st July? Oops sorry. Didn't notice that. 21st should do too. I'll confirm tomorrow. Well, VJTI is available on 21st. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] sound working spasmodically
On Thursday 12 Jul 2007 08:06:03 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, i am trying to use krec to record sounds. Problem is that sometimes the mic works and at other times it doesnt. Last night it was working, I didnt switch off the machine, but in the morning it refused to work. It is an onboard card - headphones work all the time. Would this be a hardware problem or a software problem? killall artsd does the trick for me most times. I have compiled the system without esd; but it can cause the problem as well. In the KDE control centre; if you're using ALSA 1.0.9; set the Sound System to use the ALSA Audio Device as well; instead of arts. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Divert] Are you the Linux type?
On Tuesday 10 Jul 2007 05:48:41 Mohan Nayaka wrote: Btw, is Divert a typically used tag? Is there a standard on such tags/headers? RFC 1855 talks of adding a [long] header to warn of long messages. Nah, I just conjured it up when I made it OT. Well, related, but still OT. Hence I said `divert' instead of 'OT'. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Divert] Are you the Linux type?
On Tuesday 10 Jul 2007 12:49:10 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 10-Jul-07, at 12:43 PM, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Btw, is Divert a typically used tag? Is there a standard on such tags/headers? RFC 1855 talks of adding a [long] header to warn of long messages. Nah, I just conjured it up when I made it OT. Well, related, but still OT. Hence I said `divert' instead of 'OT'. why do people on this list insist on marking ontopic stuff OT? I didn't mean OT for the list; just for the thread. Hence, `divert'. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] kubuntu 7.04 and beryl
On Tuesday 10 Jul 2007 18:26:01 Ketan Padegaonkar wrote: Mohan Nayaka wrote: Hi all, I am running Feisty Kubuntu on a Toshiba A135-S2386 notebook. I am trying to setup Beryl on it. facing some problems... Beryl has merged with compiz, and it is perhaps a good idea to switch to compiz. Compiz-fusion (which is the name of this merger) is a good alternative. I've been using this for a week now, and I feel that the performance is a bit better than beryl. I'm waiting for kwin in KDE 4. In case you haven't been keeping an eye on dot: http://dot.kde.org/1180541665/ -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Divert] Are you the Linux type?
On Tuesday 10 Jul 2007 22:43:51 Mohan Nayaka wrote:
On 7/10/07, Praveen A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is because you have not used the vi navigation keys it is 'h j k
l instead of left, down, up and right arrows - works on any version
of vi (while on the command mode).
That is a pain to use and remember. Why not the arrow keys?
Because once upon a time, not all keyboards had arrow keys. Another reason
I've heard is that its much faster to scroll with these keys since your
fingers don't have to travel around too much. And as it is, once you get used
to it, there's nothing to remember. I end up using j and k in less. My man
pages are also opened in vim. It allows me to click the references to other
man pages.
function vimman() { vim -R -c Man $1 $2 -c bdelete 1 -c set nonumber; }
alias man=vimman
Add that to your environment file.
Btw, vim does support the arrow keys. If yours doesn't check if the vi
compatibility mode is on.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Firefox Community Event + July LUG Meet
On Monday 09 Jul 2007 18:34:46 Kartik Mistry wrote: From: Mitul Limbani Lets start by making a quick post like below, Just make sure you append your name, and not say me, and me too, count me in. Please put in your full name. in order suggested. List of Attendents : *) Nirav Mehta *) Mitul Limbani *) Kartik Mistry Someone wish here that he/she will come with better venue, he/she didn't came yet -- so, venue is same :) VJTI, Mechanical Engineering Department is available as the venue on Sunday 15th July. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: Linuxers Digest, Vol 51, Issue 14
On Monday 09 Jul 2007 19:49:51 Nirav Mehta wrote: Hi All, VJTI, Mechanical Engineering Department is available as the venue on Sunday 15th July. The date is fixed. 21st July. If we can have another venue, that can accommodate more people, we can change the venue. If not, let's keep it the same. So, do we have something else available for 21st July? Oops sorry. Didn't notice that. 21st should do too. I'll confirm tomorrow. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Divert] Are you the Linux type?
On Sunday 08 Jul 2007 13:24:48 Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: On 7/8/07, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried the visual mode in vim? esc+v at the start, then use any other navigation command to take you to the end. Either yank or delete with y or d. Then paste with p or P. Equally easy methinks. I didn't know this one. Thanks, since I have to use vim at work; sadly no emacs on our systems there. Vim is really cool -- it's just that I prefer emacs if given a choice. Btw, this discussion could head to yet another 'vi vs emacs' type debate. Nah. Right now it is quite civilised and informative. As it is, I've been a vim user since day 1; but I'm really interested in learning Emacs anyway. Methinks; its a big advantage to know vim; since; by default it'll be available on most systems. If you're not satisfied or just want to check out emacs; nothing wrong with learning it. I'd say; know both; master one so as to be productive and to not get stuck. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Firefox Community Event + July LUG Meet
On Saturday 07 Jul 2007 17:14:28 jtd wrote: I 2nd that. Limiting numbers is baaad. We should shift to IIT / HBCSE and maximize attendance or even to the new foss resource center at VJTI. That would be most welcome. I'll need to make a few arrangements. I'll let the list know of the availability tomorrow. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [Divert] Are you the Linux type?
On Friday 06 Jul 2007 16:18:33 Nishit Dave wrote: Is there a good online resource about the pros and cons of using car analogies everywhere? I don't know about that; but speaking of car analogies; I came across this once: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/88q2/3785.4.html -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Online Security
On Tuesday 19 Jun 2007 11:28:24 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: This seems to be normal stuff, but what strikes me the most is that it is able to see my private IP. Ever wondered how dynamic DNS works even behind a NATed connection? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Online Security
On Tuesday 19 Jun 2007 13:55:16 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: On 6/19/07, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever wondered how dynamic DNS works even behind a NATed connection? Yes. The difference being, I install some software on my system (ddclient). Hell, even some MUAs show private IPs in their headers ( ehlo 192.168.0.10). Ever wondered how the clients are able to contact your web server on a private address behind your ISP's NAT, when the A record actually points to the ip address of the ISP? Question: Has anyone used/implemented DNS_ALG? Apparently BIND supports it. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Online Security
On Tuesday 19 Jun 2007 14:19:14 Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Question: Has anyone used/implemented DNS_ALG? Apparently BIND supports it. RFC 2694 [1] Btw, check out rfcutil[2]. Neat little package. [1]: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2694.txt [2]: http://www.dewn.com/rfc/ -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Online Security
On Tuesday 19 Jun 2007 14:32:02 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: Okay. Let me put it this way. Why do I have to install a client like ddclient to update my IP. Why can't the private IP be updated simply by visiting some pre-determined website. Why doesn't dynamic dns work without installing any package on my system? I could just schedule a cron job to visit a particular website and that should update my IP. Eh, use no-ip.com then. It's just more convenient to have the client update the ip automatically. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Self loading USB drivers possible?
On Monday 18 Jun 2007 11:37:37 jtd wrote: On Monday 18 June 2007 11:09, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Monday 18 Jun 2007 10:40:20 jtd wrote: On a less sarcastic note, the M$ business model dictates backward compatability. The problems in doze are because of design. Any change would mean revamping the entire codebase and destroying backward compatability and most likely the company. They have painted themseleves into the corner of a deep well. So much for the much touted business abilities of the company. What has all this got to do with the email to which this is a reply? Sigh... the root of the reason why complaining wont help and why it's a way of life in the doze world... because the big boss had a deeply flawed technical vision and forced the rest of his team down the years onto a path that can never be corrected. I think the only people with a genuine right to make these comments are Microsoft employees. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mounting /proc failed.
On Monday 18 Jun 2007 11:58:52 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: On 6/18/07, jtd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I woul suspect that /lib is corrupt. I had a similiar problem on a debian install with reiserfs while testing for power outages. Also afaik ext3 is less resilient than jfs. In rescue mode, running grep gives a segfault. Lately, even running mount gives a segfault. Mount was ok till yesterday. From what I know, proc is mounted by the kernel on /proc. All that is required is the existence of a proc directory in /. I suspect something wrong with the kernel mechanism that mounts proc. I wanted to build a new kernel, but I don't see how that can be done from the rescue mode. The rpm command would complain of missing modules and compiling a tarball would be even more difficult. Your userspace seems broken to me. I doubt it has anything to do with the kernel. If you notice, the reason /proc isn't being mounted by the init script is because grep segfaults. I wonder if there is something like Gentoo's revdep-rebuild for Red Hat. I'd run an fsck to start with. If necessary, restore from the superblock backup. Then I'd reinstall glibc and the lib packages. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mounting /proc failed.
On Sunday 17 Jun 2007 22:23:38 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: snip Is your glibc fine? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mounting /proc failed.
On Sunday 17 Jun 2007 23:59:04 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: On 6/17/07, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 17 Jun 2007 22:23:38 Nadeem M. Khan wrote: snip Is your glibc fine? How would I check that? Refresh the package or something? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Self loading USB drivers possible?
On Monday 18 Jun 2007 10:40:20 jtd wrote: On a less sarcastic note, the M$ business model dictates backward compatability. The problems in doze are because of design. Any change would mean revamping the entire codebase and destroying backward compatability and most likely the company. They have painted themseleves into the corner of a deep well. So much for the much touted business abilities of the company. What has all this got to do with the email to which this is a reply? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] is IE6.5 or higher w3c compliant
On Sunday 10 Jun 2007 00:00:12 PV Sundarram wrote: tats y i ignored konqueror, neyways tanx for pointing tat. Ugh. Can you please mind your language? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Importance of Free Software in Democracies.
On Saturday 09 Jun 2007 19:10:55 Rony wrote: Mrugesh Karnik wrote: On Friday 08 Jun 2007 21:32:03 Rony wrote: Therefore its is absolutely necessary that Governments of Democratic Nations adopt free software and formats in order to safeguard their data and get it out of the clutches and control of the corporate entities. Laughable. This is all assuming that the society is in a fine state; as if the people behave properly and that the democracy actually works. Why do you find the concept of freedom laughable? This is all nice and dandy in Europe or USA. Indians still need to grow up mentally for this to be applicable. So? Till then we shoot down the idea of freedom, free software. Amazing! Yes. Because people here don't deserve freedom. They should be made to earn their freedom. And hello? Get out of your little `I'm free because I use free software' shell. You are not free. Your democracy doesn't exist here. You're slaves. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Importance of Free Software in Democracies.
On Friday 08 Jun 2007 21:32:03 Rony wrote: Hello All, At the recent speech by Mr. George G. of FSF Europe in HBCSE, he mentioned a very important point which I liked and want to pass on to those who did not attend. He explained. In today's world knowledge is getting more and more digitized. Due to this digitization, it is the major Corporates that are controlling access to this knowledge through software code. In a Democracy where information (knowledge) should flow freely and be accessible to all, this control of knowledge by the software giants is dangerous and unwanted. This is even more important for the Governments to ensure that third parties do not control their data. Therefore its is absolutely necessary that Governments of Democratic Nations adopt free software and formats in order to safeguard their data and get it out of the clutches and control of the corporate entities. Laughable. This is all assuming that the society is in a fine state; as if the people behave properly and that the democracy actually works. This is all nice and dandy in Europe or USA. Indians still need to grow up mentally for this to be applicable. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [ANN] NRC-FOSS node in mumbai
Hi all, Please direct all the future communiques for NRCFOSS Mumbai to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] [OT] Measure of OT
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 06:21:16 Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: Has someone on this list calculated how many mails/first-individual-replies to OP it takes for a thread to become either OT or drag in elements of recently concluded threads ? Around a couple of years back on iLUG-Cal the count was that within 5 individual replies the thread takes a turn... I'm sure its around 2 or 3 on this list. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mailman and email address
On Sunday 27 May 2007 22:17:42 Dinesh Joshi wrote: Hi list, I'm not aware if this question has been asked on this list or not. But why the damn mailman gives out email addresses in quotes? I'm talking about this: On . Dinesh Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sadasdas I know technology can't solve all user incompetence but can't mailman just obfuscate mail addresses in quotes? I've been harping over this for a long time. Each time I tell people to configure their MUA not to quote my / anybody's email address but it'll be much easier if mailman can screen the messages for email addresses in quotes and remove / edit them out? I have a suggestion. Quit the list. No one will quote your email address then. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mailman and email address
On Monday 28 May 2007 00:08:07 Dinesh Joshi wrote: On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 22:30 +0530, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: I have a suggestion. Quit the list. No one will quote your email address then. Stay out of threads if you cannot contribute positively... It is a positive response. It is one of the possible solutions to your problem. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
On Saturday 26 May 2007 12:09:32 jtd wrote: All these `freedom fighters' should not use Ubuntu. It provides access to non-free software. Ditch. It's not listed on GNU's list of free distributions. Use only one of the free distros listed there, none other. If you don't follow that, shut up and stop preaching about freedom and blah blah. Hmm. I suspect you havent yet run into the brickwall of closed software / hardware and dead Company as yet. Keep some ice handy and lock away all the guns - u might just want to blow your head. Like the poor idiot IT manager whose recommended access control system with some closed software, wierd hardware and 1 employee data crashed and had to be junked. He's in Assam on a punishment posting haveing barely managed to retain his job. what you daftly consider to be idealism is actually basic managment principle. Think deeply. Dont be swayed by the half brain ads, reports and studies bandied about by X perts and so very visible in the press. Every time someone uses closed software it's a bullet flying in your direction. Excuse me? This is so irrelevant an answer.. And exactly my point. If these distros are not absolutely free, why do you use them? Use gnewsense or ututo. Why use or support Ubuntu? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
On Saturday 26 May 2007 12:17:05 Kartik Mistry wrote: Mrugesh Karnik wrote: what about gnewsense? All these `freedom fighters' should not use Ubuntu. It provides access to non-free software. Ditch. It's not listed on GNU's list of free distributions. Use only one of the free distros listed there, none other. If you don't follow that, shut up and stop preaching about freedom and blah blah. Freedom comes with right to choose whatever you want. Non-Free too. Provide access and comes with default-non-free-stuffs are different things (If you can understand it). Heh. So why the whole agenda against non-free? Why doesn't the GPL allow non-free useage? I find this whole agenda hypocritic. Either adhere to it fully before you go on preaching about it or stop preaching it. Why isn't Ubuntu or Gentoo or insert any other distro here on GNU's list if it doesn't ship with non-free software by default? And if Novell is evil for making a business deal, why isn't Ubuntu evil for providing such a user-friendly access to non-free software? So, the way I see it, everyone must follow the principles, only I'm allowed to follow them at my own leisure. Oh wait. I know what'll happen. Now there will be some a couple of completely irrelevant replies, a couple of trolls and a couple of flames. I see your point - Those who can shout the loudest or use the heaviest language must be correct, right? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
On Saturday 26 May 2007 17:50:30 Kartik Mistry wrote: On 5/26/07, Mrugesh wrote: Heh. So why the whole agenda against non-free? Why doesn't the GPL allow non-free useage? Because its GPL. Please ask FSF for more details. I know you hate GPL for some unknown reason(s). Huh? Do I? I didn't know :s I find this whole agenda hypocritic. Either adhere to it fully before you go on preaching about it or stop preaching it. Why isn't Ubuntu or Gentoo or insert any other distro here on GNU's list if it doesn't ship with non-free software by default? And if Novell is evil for making a business deal, why isn't Ubuntu evil for providing such a user-friendly access to non-free software? Huh? I follow DFSG (Debian Free Software Guideline). I think you need to learn more about what is Freedom before jumping into this quicksand. Yeah. I'm not against Debian. I'm just against people. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] raspppoe - alternative? Intel 810 - Ubuntu?
On Friday 25 May 2007 11:10:01 Rony wrote: PPPoE is very much present in *buntu. In the terminal, simply type ppp and tab it once or twice. You will get all the installed commands. Run pppoeconf and your net will be up and running in live too. :) Very user friendly and intuitive, yes. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] A Full Aubuntu.
On Friday 25 May 2007 11:08:59 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 25-May-07, at 9:01 AM, Kartik Mistry wrote: Do you know only distribution called itself GNU/Linux is: Debian? You should use it now no matter how hard, damn, user-unfriendly, useless it is. what about gnewsense? All these `freedom fighters' should not use Ubuntu. It provides access to non-free software. Ditch. It's not listed on GNU's list of free distributions. Use only one of the free distros listed there, none other. If you don't follow that, shut up and stop preaching about freedom and blah blah. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [commercial] Job opening: OpenOffice support Engineers
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 18:36:11 Harsh Busa wrote: On 5/23/07, Vihan Pandey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best way to fight this is by opposing software patents and spreading that awareness among people. Since you are so kindly asking me ``why dont u file a PIL ? or sue them ? why don't you state your position on this thread as well? i have nothing against them. And btw, if you haven't noticed yet, they're in it for business and money. Not philosophy. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Re: [commercial] Job opening: OpenOffice support Engineers
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:33:54 Harsh Busa wrote: ? why don't you state your position on this thread as well? i have nothing against them. And btw, if you haven't noticed yet, they're in it for business and money. Not philosophy. anything wrong abt wanting to earn money? in that case i m evil. Errr no. I was agreeing with you. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Shell scripting book like Kanetkar's
On Friday 18 May 2007 22:45:45 Deboo wrote: Still nothing compares to the Kanetkar style it seems Do you people actually read the emails? Go buy O'Reilly's Learning the bash Shell, 3rd Edition. Available at CB. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Shell scripting book like Kanetkar's
On Saturday 19 May 2007 09:32:08 Deboo wrote: BTW, Kenneth advised me to contact you about donating some Linux and other books I have. Where do I donate these? Yeah, I'll let you know offlist. Please wait for a couple of days. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Shell scripting book like Kanetkar's
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 05:16:06 knowledge less wrote: Is there a similar book on shell programming like Y Kanetkar's Unix Shell Programming, but one that is current. Kanetkar's book is quite old and no new editions. I need a book which has lots of exercises like Kanetkar's and is easy too like the one. O'Reilly's Learning the bash Shell, 3rd Edition. Available at CB. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Shell Script for resizing an array of images
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 18:59:08 Roshan wrote:
#!/bin/sh
for f in $*;
do
convert -resize 640x480 $f t-$f
done
I have one question.
Is the $* is for argument number (or its type) for the
file that would have to be converted?
$* expands the positional parameters.
Positional parameters are arguments passed to a command. When you run your
script by doing, say,
$ ./image-resize image1 image2 image3
the positional parameters get set to ./image-resize, image1, image2 and
image3.
The positional parameters can be used as the variables $0 to $n where n is any
integer. $0 is always set to the name of the script, in this case
image-resize. The parameters from $1 onwards are the actual arguments. So in
this case,
$1 == image1
$2 == image2 and
$3 == image3
These are read only variables. You can't manually assign a value to them. You
must use either set or shift.
When you process the arguments, you can either call them individually, or, as
is most common, process them in a loop, one by one. You've used the second
method.
$* and $@ are two variables that can be used to query all the positional
parameters together. When unquoted, they are subject to IFS word splitting
like any other variable in bash. What this means is that if your arguments
have spaces or newlines embedded in them, they'll be split up to be two
different entities.
The safe way is to double quote ( ) the variables, which prevents this
internal splitting.
Now it'll take a couple of chapters from a book if I were to explain all the
`theory' behind this, so I'll skip it all and leave it to you to learn. I'll
just say though, for any normal processing of arguments, 99% of the times,
you'd want to use $@. Mind the double quotes. VERY important.
Here's an example:
$ set foo bar baz blah
$ # foo bar is intended to be a single argument.
$ # set can be used to set various bash options and positional parameters.
$ echo $1
foo bar
$ echo $2
baz
$ echo $3
blah
$ for i in $@; do echo '== '${i}' =='; done
== foo ==
== bar ==
== baz ==
== blah ==
$ # Notice that foo and bar have been split up. Undesirable.
$ for i in $*; do echo '== '${i}' =='; done
== foo ==
== bar ==
== baz ==
== blah ==
$ # When unquoted $@ and $* produce the same result.
$ for i in $@; do echo '== '${i}' =='; done
== foo bar ==
== baz ==
== blah ==
$ # I suppose this is what you wanted?
$ for i in $*; do echo '== '${i}' =='; done
== foo bar baz blah ==
$ # When double quoted, $@ and $* differ vastly..
$ # And that's not the result you wanted either.
$ # Always use $@.
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Re: [ILUG-BOM] (no subject)
On Wednesday 09 May 2007 01:27:03 Roshan wrote: Hello Lists, (see header) I am using Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) on my second hdd and three applications, Konqueror, Konverstaion and Kopete (yes, KDE - Kyonki haha) on my MTNL Triband line, without specifying the DNS. The automatically accepted DNS was the IP address of the ADSL Router / Modem. (D-Link 502 T) I wasn't able to get updates using apt-get because, the command would fetch the first URL and become stagnant with no network activity over the ethernet LED. I finally, decided to add the DNS servers provided by MTNL, and wow! apt-get could finally understand what it is supposed to connect to and fetched updates. I started my caching nameserver after the first day of using MTNL's DNS server. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] nrc-foss node and meet on the 17th
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 19:14:26 krishnakant Mane wrote: On 08/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Nessuna vittoria senza armonia. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installfest
On Wednesday 18 Apr 2007 12:53:16 Vihan Pandey wrote: What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all know that MySQL sucks! And your reason for saying that is - technical or ethical or business or what ? Neither. I'm just learning sarcasm. And I don't think MySQL sucks. As of right now, I have no preference in databases. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Kububtu 6.10 DVD Installation.
On Thursday 19 Apr 2007 06:20:26 Pradeepto Bhattacharya wrote: Hey Rony, On 4/19/07, Rony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its paint program is much improvised from the earlier one that was like M$ Paint. This one has 'Krita' which has good features like photoshop or gimp. I love KDE. Long live KDE. Cheers to all the KDE guys. Keep up the good work. /me moonwalks ... /me distributes sweets all across the mailing list while moonwalking. Uh oh! Pradeepto on the wings! Thanks for the kind words, appreciate it. I think you were talking about KolorPaint or some such. Well, I won't be surprised if it still exists somewhere. Krita is ``upcoming photo-shop like / gimp like software, is a part of the KOffice suite. Krita actually means Chalk/pencil in Swedish And was the best application winner last year at aKademy. Yeah kolourpaint is still around. I'm using it. Its good enough for some purposes. I'm installing krita right now. I've read a lot of people praise it... Cheers! Yeah! Cheers! -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Installfest
On Monday 16 Apr 2007 11:44:16 mehul wrote: On 4/15/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Include a session on GCC as well, along with the install fest. For some odd reasons, I have developed a disklike for the Turbo C++ 3.0 compiler. I am also interested in having a session on GCC, I am sure I will learn quite a few things from you people. As I have just started with C this will be really nice for me. What are you talking about? Let's compare Firebird and PostgreSQL. We all know that MySQL sucks! -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Installfest
Hi Luggers, I think its about time we held an installfest. I know a couple of college students who want to use Linux but are unable to install it. Let's host it somewhere and announce to the masses. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgp75AZtDzUuH.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Wireless Mesh meet at HBCSE
On Friday 13 Apr 2007 19:34:49 Rony wrote: Hello All, We are meeting again tomorrow Saturday 10.30 am onwards 14th April 2007 at HBCSE Mankhurd for the wireless mesh setup. This time we will be setting up the content server and is a very good opportunity to see how the mesh will provide free information to the public. All those who attend are requested to bring their laptops if possible, to test the mesh as much as we can. I need the kubuntu DVD urgently. Can I come after around 6 pm to collect it? Btw, I do not have a laptop. I'll need it burned to a blank DVD. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgphuKxX4Od7F.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Debian Etch DVD Set
On Tuesday 10 Apr 2007 21:46:04 Vihan Pandey wrote: i strongly suggest you work on disc 2 first. Done. Just send me the link. i know it sounds stupid but i once messed things up while downloading between releases :P Ha! So I am not alone then! Feels good to know! :D :P -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpsFf0AaNNRX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] wireless mesh at hbcse successfully done
On Tuesday 10 Apr 2007 01:21:14 Rony wrote: DHCP works only in the LAN, not in WLAN. If WLAN is set to dhcp then there is no mesh getting established. WLAN IP has to be static. With static WLAN, we can access any network through the mesh. Even internet access was possible by simply plugging in the cable to the WAN port of one router. Even though it was outside the 192.168.x.x subnet. NAT and Firewall were enabled. Err. The static WLAN IP is for the server. After that any client who wants to connect gets an ip from the DHCP server. You can run the native udhcpd on any interface you want. The native dhcpd does not allow any changes to it. It does. I had set it up and it was working properly on 31st. It was working fine for WLAN, not OLSR, because if I'm not mistaken, there's a different interface for OLSR, bridged with the actual WLAN interface. The DHCP server was running on the WLAN interface rather than the OLSR interface. The problem, I think, wasn't with the missing package, but with the fact that we had DHCP running on the WLAN interface instead of the OLSR interface. The native DHCP should work perfectly fine if I'm right... unless dnsmasq has some features I don't know about.. Yes it works fine but only in LAN. There is no native provision to allocate dhcp ips for wireless users who join in. Thats why the extra package. There is provision. I did the last time. Edit the /etc/local.udhcpd.conf file. Either that or something similar. It allows you to run DHCP on any interface. With dnsmasq you get a DNS server + DHCP server. I'm wondering what has been done with the DNS server part? Does it run a caching nameserver or something? What's the nameserver address that any client connecting gets from the server? The mistake I made, due to obvious lack of knowledge, was to run the DHCP server on the WLAN interface rather than the OLSR interface. Can someone please post the ifconfig output on the `server'? Server being the wireless router connected to the internet directly through its WAN port. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpLfmO5Q1hbX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] wireless mesh at hbcse successfully done
On Tuesday 10 Apr 2007 12:30:50 jtd wrote: It does. I had set it up and it was working properly on 31st. I think it was a combination of settings that allowed dhcp. Cause when we disabled dhcp in the web i/f and tried to create a udhcpd.conf file it simply refused to run on ANY interface. Agreed. It needs to run the DHCP server on the wired LAN ports. That's the default setting. You can add one additional interface through the local config file. Which is what I had done. The init scripts are a kind of weird. It was working fine for WLAN, not OLSR, because if I'm not mistaken, there's a different interface for OLSR, bridged with the actual WLAN interface. The DHCP server was running on the WLAN interface rather than the OLSR interface. The OLSR i/f is for the backbone routing. running dhcp on this will open a new can of worms requiring dhcp forwarding etc. H. Now I'm royally confused. Which interface does dnsmasq listen to, in the working mesh? From what Dr. Nagarjuna said, there was a parameter called `OLSR-DHCP'. I assumed that that corresponds to the OLSR interface. I assumed wrong it seems :s So if I'm wrong, I guess OLSR handles the `cascaded' DHCP requests properly with dnsmasq listening to the WLAN interface? There is provision. I did the last time. Edit the /etc/local.udhcpd.conf file. Either that or something similar. It allows you to run DHCP on any interface. Trust u not to remember ;-). We tried to replicate what u did but could not. Well take a look at the init script /etc/init.d/udhcpd. There's a section towards the end where it populates the /etc/udhcpd.conf file with a here document. You'll see that it sources the file /etc/local.something at the end of the here document. This is the file where the manual configuration goes. In the udhcpd.conf, there comes up a comment saying `local settings go after this' or something. The sourced local file is reproduced there, right below the default config section. afaik what u did was right but we were unable to repeat it. Which makes it a chance occurence or your own brand of witchcraft ;-) or we were stupid - but i am sure that it's not the case. It definitely isn't. Can someone please post the ifconfig output on the `server'? Server being the wireless router connected to the internet directly through its WAN port. Hmmm. That one still stands.. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpEbHGBtQxtr.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] wireless mesh at hbcse successfully done
On Tuesday 10 Apr 2007 14:25:54 Nagarjuna G. wrote: The problem, I think, wasn't with the missing package, but with the fact that we had DHCP running on the WLAN interface instead of the OLSR interface. The native DHCP should work perfectly fine if I'm right... unless dnsmasq has some features I don't know about.. What you are saying and what you did last time are correct. Without the package we can achieve what we wanted. But instead of making changes on each node, they made it simpler by making an addon package, and also helping the dumb users to specify the dhcp range of wlan by providing OLSR-DHCP. It was not an add on package for an older freifunk firmware, but only in the current one. I guess they did it for space reasons, for you cant make the firmware bigger after a limit. I dont know if they have other reasons. Hmmm. How was the additional package installed? And of course, it is easier to do it this `new' way, but I'm just wondering what went wrong that it wasn't working with the old firmware. I guess the manual way should work fine with the new firmware as well, so it'll be good to have a fallback, in case something goes wrong with the dnsmasq way. Then again, the problem is in getting it to work manually. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpiNgzSBUO0f.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] wireless mesh at hbcse successfully done
On Tuesday 10 Apr 2007 18:54:18 jtd wrote: On Tuesday 10 April 2007 18:23, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Then again, the problem is in getting it to work manually. That is very important. Imagine clicking you way thru few tens of aps. I don't really like clicking. I'd prefer typing/editing with a text editor anytime! At least I'll get to know exactly what is happening, never mind the `pain' involved. Knowledge rocks :P -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgp9alkPA921f.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] wireless mesh at hbcse successfully done
On Tuesday 10 Apr 2007 18:52:17 jtd wrote: I think it was a combination of settings that allowed dhcp. Cause when we disabled dhcp in the web i/f and tried to create a udhcpd.conf file it simply refused to run on ANY interface. Agreed. It needs to run the DHCP server on the wired LAN ports. That's the default setting. You can add one additional interface through the local config file. Which is what I had done. Aha. But why not only on the wireless lan?. Bug. H. Now I'm royally confused. Which interface does dnsmasq listen to, in the working mesh? From what Dr. Nagarjuna said, there was a parameter called `OLSR-DHCP'. I assumed that that corresponds to the OLSR interface. I assumed wrong it seems :s So if I'm wrong, I guess OLSR handles the `cascaded' DHCP requests properly with dnsmasq listening to the WLAN interface? I am confused. Looks like we have to have a close look at OLSR-DHCP. Because having OLSR and wlan in the same subnet seems just not right, cause u are reducing the number of nodes or clients, a completely unneccessary trade off. Hehhe. I'm really really confused. We need to go back and take a look at the setup again. I'll try to read up on how OLSR works too. Well take a look at the init script /etc/init.d/udhcpd. There's a section towards the end where it populates the /etc/udhcpd.conf file with a here document. You'll see that it sources the file /etc/local.something at the end of the here document. This is the file where the manual configuration goes. In the udhcpd.conf, there comes up a comment saying `local settings go after this' or something. The sourced local file is reproduced there, right below the default config section. Ok. so that is where u put the settings rather than changing the initial default interface. Nope. That's where I found out about the local config file. Actually, the aforementioned bug may be corrected by correcting the init script. Well we were stupid. We should have put the local settings right where it said we should - at the end of the conf file. Never trust oneself. Actually no. I tried that, but the udhcpd.conf gets overwritten by the init script. So I went on to read up the script and found the local config file. Can someone please post the ifconfig output on the `server'? Server being the wireless router connected to the internet directly through its WAN port. Hmmm. That one still stands.. Ya. Looks like we gotta go to HBCSE once more to look things up thoroughly. Yup. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpuOjBlnuQb7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] wireless mesh at hbcse successfully done
On Monday 09 Apr 2007 17:57:32 Nagarjuna G. wrote: installed a package called 'freifunk-dnsmasq', restarted it. Now we see an additional parameter on the web interface called OLSR-DHCP: This is where we give the DHCP share of the mesh network (not the lan network). thats it. I need some details. This entire thing now works only on the WLAN interface right? Is the LAN completely out of the picture? So, the backend itself gets broadened? Maybe subnetted, depending on the DHCP server(s). Secondly, without the dnsmasq package, can we get the native udhcpd to work with the OLSR interface? I think we can.. What's the OLSR interface that shows up with ifconfig? It is possible, I think, to manually configure the DHCP server to listen on the OLSR interface. The problem, I think, wasn't with the missing package, but with the fact that we had DHCP running on the WLAN interface instead of the OLSR interface. The native DHCP should work perfectly fine if I'm right... unless dnsmasq has some features I don't know about.. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgp0RDKqrkxzu.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] RHEL AS on Intel 101 motherboard
On Friday 06 Apr 2007 11:17:15 jtd wrote: On Thursday 05 April 2007 18:14, ajay solanki wrote: Hi I am trying to install RHEL AS on Intel 101 motherboard. Contact RH. they have paid support. It is giving system kernel panic error. Any work arounds to install Linux ? Get a kernel version 2.6.17 or above. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpgZub7Y2DtS.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Auto-enable usbnet device on link startup
On Wednesday 04 Apr 2007 01:07:50 Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: Hi, This is something I noticed while I was playing around with my Triband connection on USB. If I start (or reboot) my router after my computer has started, the network interface for the USB connection is detected but not enabled automatically. I have to manually up the interface. I guess this behaviour is expected under debian since network configuration (upping of interfaces) takes place only at startup through /etc/init.d/networking. Any network devices detected after startup will be configured but not enabled. Shouldn't default behaviour be to simply enable the interface if it is defined as auto in /etc/network/interfaces? You might want to set some udev rules. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpJ6oiBhbG2z.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Windows Vista restricts GNU GCC apps to 32 MB
On Saturday 31 Mar 2007 12:58:44 Vihan Pandey wrote: so how many people who compile gcc code on vista on this list has your post educated? i guess those who are doing any kind of application porting/tesing from and to Win32/GNU+Linux would be affected. KDE 4? Where's Pradeepto? -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpSEmWmx5sFX.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] OLSR @ HBCSE
Hello guys, I thought of a few issues on my way back home. Firstly, if you want to edit stuff like nvram settings or anything else not available in the GUI, its apparently done via the /etc/local.* files. The DHCP server configuration for example, was done in /etc/local.udhcpd.conf or something similar. Just something to keep in mind before hacking the init scripts. Secondly, I read this: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3626#page-51 The cron script that was edited to prevent the default gw route loss (/usr/sbin/cron.minutely original at /usr/sbin/cron.minutely.orig) could have been trying to achieve this: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3626#page-54 Please run a diff to make sure. But I don't think it should be kept the way it is in the original file either. Another thing. If it is necessary to find out exactly which node assigned the ip to the client, in case of multiple DHCP servers, maybe interface aliases can be used to define two different subnets. Run DHCP server on the aliases to lease ips in two different subnets. Also, apparently OLSR traffic happens on UDP port 698. Regards. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpv4zlD9AKjO.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] Prof. CN Krishnan of NRCFOSS in Mumbai on 5th [Was: LUG meeting btwn 4/2 and 4/9?]
Hi, I'm sorry if this is hijacking the thread, but I think I can relate the new thread I was about to start to this one. As the subject line says, Prof. CN Krishnan of NRCFOSS, Chennai is also to be in Mumbai on the 5th of April. Can we have a meet in the evening on 5th? But it'll need to be after around 6 pm. Regards. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpqLYgYFa4cW.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
[ILUG-BOM] [Commercial] Fwd: Job opening :: Programmer Analyst
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Job opening :: Programmer Analyst Date: Monday 26 Mar 2007 From: Arun K. Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mrugesh, We have an opening for a Programmer Analyst. Reqs. are as follows: * 3-4 years of experience in developing web applications using best practice in software development methodologies. Must have had a significant role in 2-3 projects (enterprise applications). * Experience with Rapid Application Development (RAD) framework a plus. * Langs: PHP, Python, Java (helpful) * Database: MySQL, PostgreSQL - install, configure, and design/create schema for application under development. Knowledge of the SQL language for resp. DB engine. Familiarity with data replication a plus. * Application Server (a plus): Tomcat, JBoss, Websphere (community version) * Proficient with basic Sys. Admin tasks - installing Linux distros, installing and configuring the required services, tools and other packages necessary for developing and testing the application. * Proficient in English - must not be averse to documenting architecture, design, and test suites. Good presentation skills a plus. * Hardware: Knowledge of the PC components and basic hardware diagnosis a plus. * On the personal/soft skills side: A strong TEAM player, be able to lead junior programmers, resourceful, self reliant, responsible, dependable, takes pride in his/her work, an independent thinker with a penchant to analyze and solve problems rather than doing things blindly. * Salary: commensurate with experience and skill set. * Relocation: None. If you know of anyone who might be interested in above, please have them send their CV to me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is some flexibility in the reqs. if the candidate comes across as having the potential to take on the job. Thanks, -- Arun K. Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpsudq5q1rOG.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Wireless Workshop at HBCSE
On Monday 26 Mar 2007 14:30:09 Rony wrote: Hello All, The Wireless Workshop will be held on 31st March at HBCSE Mankhurd from 5.30 pm onwards as per schedule. Those who cannot attend on that day can come the following week to try out the installed system. There will also be a document made to describe the installation process. Question. Can we disassemble and reinstall everything? Also, when does the actual installation take place? Before 5:30 pm or does it start at 5:30 pm? I want to attend when the installation takes place. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpfV8Wpi0mj7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Sunday 25 Mar 2007 14:56:42 Benoy George wrote: We can suggest them to use linux on some desktops and main server. Rest of them with M$ stuff and hey can charge more for using these systems. Discrimination is not allowed even in the GPL. This is getting down to the level of being `cheap'. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpzX464KvlYQ.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Monday 26 Mar 2007 18:12:34 jtd wrote: On Sunday 25 March 2007 21:21, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Oh give me a break and be practical for once. I've not had a single virus or spyware on my Windows box for over 3 years. We've had Rony on the list who had to reinstalled Windows after a considerable amount of time. If you use it properly, its pretty manageable. Yeah every customer in the cafe might not, but then in the cafe I converted, the owner would run anti-spyware and anti-virus scans thoroughly every night before he left. He hadn't had a problem even once. Neat solution no. Run av on all machines all night pay for bijlee, pay for AV pay for man all night and continue blowing your profits. Not to mention the frequent registry and dll corruptions and inevitable reinstall. Ahh one can always automate the process. There was a long thread a few years back on hardware compat, prices, etc for cyber cafes. It will cost you substantial money to maintain the doze poisons strewn all over the os and cyber space. Further the cyber cafe software cost is priced at Rs.100. Policeman is proly going to add a zero to that per month. If u think cyberbhai's going to buy licences (or pay you for maintaining linux boxes) just forget it. I don't get this. Why are you guys always thinking one dimensional? In this case, just viruses and spyware. My friend never had to pay a single paisa for any of those problems. And no, he didn't use any pirated versions. He had a license for Windows and used free versions of AVG anti-virus and some other free anti-spyware tools. Also, he ran the scans when he was nearing the closure and the computers were free. He'd do his calculations while the scans ran. They ran for some 15-20 minutes. I wonder how much money that cost him. He STILL switched his server to Linux because he found certain advantages with it - none related to any kind of freedom - beer or speech. And who talked about me being paid for maintaining Linux boxen? You just conjured that up out of the thin air! And what policeman? And seriously, if you're going to offer a virus free system in exchange for losing customers, you've lost already. I don't understand why there is this almighty urge to get everyone to switch to FOSS. If you think you're freeing all those souls, think about this. You can't even raise a vote of no confidence against an `aamdaar' or a `khaasdaar' or any blah blah person you've elected who isn't doing his job. The only power you have in your so called freedom and democracy is to vote once every few years. What other freedoms do you really have? You can't even choose to watch movies uncensored. Whether you want to or not is another issue. But why can't you choose when you want to? Why are you to be sensored for saying `I hate blah blah' on Orkut? Why? Is that freedom? These issues are more important than software in cyber cafes. This seems to be like the religious wars people fight. I believe in something. You MUST believe in it too. If you don't, we'll make you believe. Soon it becomes.. You don't have a right to exist because you don't adhere to what I believe in. P.S. If you do succeed with this (and contrary to what you might believe by now, I don't have a problem with Linux getting into cyber cafes), since freedom matters so much to you, use one of the absolutely free distros mentioned on the GNU site. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpZSysBiCLH3.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Wireless Workshop at HBCSE
On Monday 26 Mar 2007 21:41:54 Rony wrote: Also, when does the actual installation take place? Before 5:30 pm or does it start at 5:30 pm? I want to attend when the installation takes place. The venue itself is available after 5.30 pm onwards. Cool thanks. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpo9GlPCwOak.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Monday 26 Mar 2007 23:49:01 Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: On 3/26/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25-Mar-07, at 3:40 PM, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote: This one says there is a Corel Draw for GNU/Linux too. great news ...too bad it's years old and speculationMS has already shut off the conveyor belts for that one by jamming them with loads and loads of money.../speculation As far as I know, that's the fact. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpzJ0NNtU7b9.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Tuesday 27 Mar 2007 00:05:13 Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: 2. Check which applications need to be moved on priority to Linux. Web browser, messengers (yahoo and hotmail), PDF reader, office apps. Everything else (photoshop, corel, etc.) are novelty and not too many cyber cafes have it. True I think. But they're usually present if the cafe has a printer. But also, they're present on just the print server.. usually. 8. Check with Crossover office if they are willing to make yahoo messenger, msn messenger to work under linux. More the number of ppl who request for a What do messengers by crossover office provide that are superior to gaim/kopete/ayttm/put_your_fav_foss_messenger_here? (It's a genuine question) Voice chat, webcam and those useless winks etc. Even more of a problem is the familiar interface. People need those and the Linux messengers don't have them. I think AMSN is a good replacement for MSN messenger. Except voice it supports nearly all the major features properly. Even Kmess is a good alternative. The problem is with Yahoo. There's no good a replacement. Kopete supports Webcam and all, but creating temporary user accounts in Kopete is a pain because it works on Unix design philosophy, assuming that every user will login using a different system account rather than all of them logging in with one single accounts and creating different temporary accounts. I seriously feel Wine is a really good intermediate solution to the problem of moving client desktops to Linux. I really would prefer suggesting a longer term solution that would give users a truly great experience of FOSS software. I think rather using wine, develop proper alternatives and deploy them. Keep in mind the fact that if you do manage to get cyber cafes to use Linux, there's a good chance that you'll gain a few home users as well. Developing proper FOSS alternatives for the common software a home user needs is the best way. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpdtfEZdTY24.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Tuesday 27 Mar 2007 12:00:25 jtd wrote: My friend never had to pay a single paisa for any of those problems. And no, he didn't use any pirated versions. And who talked about me being paid for maintaining Linux boxen? You just conjured that up out of the thin air! And what policeman? Heck it's not u as in Mrugesh. It's u as in somebody who provides a service - including the self provider - you have to account for the resources expended on a thorughly useless activity. Oops. Sorry. Your friend (God bless him) is an honorable exception in using licenced software. Hehehe, he did it because of the fear of being `caught', but yeah, he did buy the licenses. The vast majority of cyber cafes dont care. I have visited a hughe number of them right across the country. Their cost is the cost of a cd and with the introduction of registers - where every kid worth his mouse writes a fake name and address - the bribe to the local cop who flies by for inkspection. With the cops added responsibility of discovering piracy the cost of chaipani might go up. Yup. And seriously, if you're going to offer a virus free system in exchange for losing customers, you've lost already. I don't understand why there is this almighty urge to get everyone to switch to FOSS. There isn't. Which is my point in the case of cybercafes. Stop wasting your time trying to find justification of any kind to make the cybercafe switch. Unless you drag them all to court and fine them the cost + 150% of all software on the disk nothing's going to change. Yeah. The association making it compulsory for the cyber cafe owners to buy licenses to software will facilitate FOSS' entry greatly. P.S. If you do succeed with this (and contrary to what you might believe by now, I don't have a problem with Linux getting into cyber cafes), since freedom matters so much to you, use one of the absolutely free distros mentioned on the GNU site. He he. We are both shouting about the same thing. Wrong medicine for the wrong people. Cyberbhai's wanna make a living and like all other bhai's they dont care at whose expense. LOL, we actually agree for once. Cheers. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpT6TsoIS74i.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Sunday 25 Mar 2007 15:02:38 Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote: I am curious to know what are the M$ things users demand. I have not been to a cyber cafe for a long time, and hence have lost touch with the current state of things. didnt you read mrugesh's post in this same thread? Sure I did. That is why I asked, because according to him the information was a few years old. Its still valid. Few meant a little more than one. I'll add another one to the list. A Windows based software for managing the cafe. Though there were a couple of Linux alternatives, but I have not tried them. In any case, I think the learning curve of GIMP and Blender will never be as steep as keeping a Windows machine virus free. Why? This is because the latter is close to impossible. Moreover customers do not appreciate going to a cyber cafe just to plug in their floppy or pendrive and have a virus remove all their precious data. Oh give me a break and be practical for once. I've not had a single virus or spyware on my Windows box for over 3 years. We've had Rony on the list who had to reinstalled Windows after a considerable amount of time. If you use it properly, its pretty manageable. Yeah every customer in the cafe might not, but then in the cafe I converted, the owner would run anti-spyware and anti-virus scans thoroughly every night before he left. He hadn't had a problem even once. Secondly a cyber cafe is a place people primarily for browsing the Web using a Web browser. I am not sure how many cyber cafe's have the necessary bandwidth to allow _all_ their users to _simultaneously_ engage in voice chat or video chat. Dream on. I've seen that happening. A couple of the people having webcam sessions and a few others playing Counter Strike online simultaneously on a 512K line. Then again, the cafe soon switched to a very affordable 1M connection. Therefore a viable alternative is to earmark a few machines which are only going to be used only for browsing (and some text based IM) to be converted into GNU/Linux or *BSD or any other free operating system. You'll lose even more users rather than gaining them if you try this. Trying to pull out people from their comfort zone is a bad idea if tried aggressively. Have patience and go gradually. Attack the roots and not the leaves. And seriously, NO ONE is interested in freedom. They aren't interested in learning about it either. Seriously, get out of your self spun freedom cocoon and be practical. Moreover it would be nice to have the cyber cafe association issue a press release expressing their preference towards free software wherever feasible. It would be an excellant oppurtunity to let the comman man taste free software. LMAO! P.S. And btw, next time you reply to this thread, try to make sure that you've actually done something about this issue. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgproosmZgT7f.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
Re: [ILUG-BOM] Mumbai cyber cafe license requirement makes Microsoft OS mandatory
On Friday 23 Mar 2007 23:37:05 saurabh daptardar wrote: I think multiple things tried out in parallel will have a greater impact than those carried out in isolation. As it is said in Marathi.. ``एक ना धड, भाराभर चिंध्या!'' I wonder if that's applicable here. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgpjdl7NgrcAA.pgp Description: PGP signature -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
