LoCo Team involvement in testing
Hi everybody, next UDS we're planning to discuss further about LoCo Teams involvement in ISO Testing following the previous UDS session (1) and the wiki page we wrote (2). Did any LoCo Team started this kind of activity? I would like to gather information and data from everybody so, if you started this activity, please drop me an email. (1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/PromotingLoCoTestingTeams (2) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/LoCoTeam Thanks in advance -- Paolo Sammicheli EMail: xdatap1(at)ubuntu.com https://launchpad.net/~xdatap1 - Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Ubuntu Open Week, request for instructors
Just a reminder that we have a week to go until Open Week and have 10 open slots still available for instructors. * Insert speech on teamwork, volunteerism, helping users, and the spirit of Ubuntu here * Info to participate is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek Please respond to myself or Amber if you have questions. She believes that the overwhelming goodness of the community will have all the slots filled by the end of the day! On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Jorge O. Castro jo...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi everyone, Here at Ubuntu we love to give training sessions over IRC. Since Developer and App Developer Week cover the more advanced end of the spectrum we have something for normal users -- Ubuntu Open Week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek If you look at the last schedule you'll see that there's still some pretty development focused sessions there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekLucid I am looking for instructors, specifically those of you who have never taught a class before. Now that developer week is separate, we have some leeway to make these sessions more productive for end users, so I'm looking for some more end-user type questions. So, if you're interested in helping out by teaching a session dive into the prep page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep and submit your ideas! As always, if your Local Team wants to run a concurrent Open Week in your own native language feel free to branch from this wiki page and arrange something, please let me know so I can help get the word out. (Hoping for someone to do an Inkscape class!) -- Jorge Castro Canonical Ltd. http://twitter.com/castrojo Need help with Ubuntu? Ask the experts at http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Logging of Ubuntu LoCo Teams core channels
Dear LoCo Contacts, Greetings from the LoCo Council, We would like to take a moment and discuss some ideas with you about implementing LoCo Bot logging of #ubuntu- channels on freenode. There is a method to this madness, and this would only apply to #ubuntu-loco-team-name (*main channels only, not off-topic ones*). The LoCo Council have discussed the issue of LoCo-team channel logging with the IRC Council and we've taken advice from Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu Community manager. It was recommended to us that all LoCo teams should enable logging for their main channel, and that we open this up for discussion on this mailing list. For many Approved teams this is already a standard practice and we thank you for it, but we would like to encourage this practice among the rest of the teams for a couple of good reasons: - When new contributors are checking out teams they will have an opportunity to read past logs in effort to better learn more about the team, this will help them to see what they can expect from the team, and even potentially find where there are needs that they might be able to help with. - Transparency - LoCo team channels (especially main channels) should strive to be a collaborative environment, where both gurus and new users can feel at ease to ask questions and have discussions in a non-offensive manner. Many channels ask in their channel topics that users within the channel be respectful and honor the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. - Help the LoCo Council with team mediation in case of issues that arise. We have had several teams and team members asking the council the help with issues that have surfaced only to find that most of the complaints of behavior/dialogue took place within unlogged channels. This then becomes an issue of one contributor/member/users word over another, and can make things very difficult to mediate, and issues hard to resolve. We would like for this to be considered a requirement for all LoCo Team Channels, who are present under the #ubuntu- name space on freenode, not just Approved Team channels. This would only apply to each team main/core channel and does not apply to additional offtopic/chat channels. While some teams have created offtopic channels in the past this has also lead to the team core channel not being used and in some cases killing off their channel so please be considerate of this. Sincerely, The LoCo Council -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Logging of Ubuntu LoCo Teams core channels
personally I see this only as a good thing. We have an open and transparent community, with open mailing list archives and a culture of blogging, tweeting, denting stuff that we do that is interesting. I see IRC as an extension of the mailing lists, just more realtime interactive short messages and conversations than asynchronous long messages. I frequently refer to the logs of our loco channel (For example I once had a kernel issue and traced it to a package I had installed, then checked back in the logs for that timestamp and discovered what I was trying to do at the time.) and logs of the meeting channels and other Ubuntu channels. Having loco channels logged as a general rule seems like a beneficial thing to me. I can understand concerns about having the logs indexed on search engines and I have previously verified that it would be possible to have a robots.txt file with wildcards in it so you could put entries such as http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/*/*/*/%23ubuntu-myloco.html to block spiders from the logs for all days for that particular channel if there was one that didn't want to be indexed. This format is respected by Google at least and probably other search engines, but robots.txt can be ignored and isn't a security mechanism as such. Alan. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789195 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: LoCoCouncil-mandated logging of LoCo channel
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Robert Wall robertw...@ubuntu.com wrote: snip Hello again, I apologize for the tone and structure of my previous email to this list and the conversations I had subsequently in Ubuntu's IRC channels. I was upset and tired last night, and should have logged out and gotten some sleep. Instead, I was unnecessarily combative and confused the issue by cross-posting to loco-contacts and my LoCo team list. This morning, I was informed that I misunderstood something a LoCo Council member said to mean that the decision had been made already for all LoCo teams, and that it wouldn't be discussed. This is obviously incorrect, given the email from them further down in your inbox, and I also apologize for that misunderstanding and hope that my email didn't harm discussion on this issue. Thanks for your time, ~ Robert -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Logging of Ubuntu LoCo Teams core channels
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:01:53PM +0100, Ubuntu LoCo Council wrote: Dear LoCo Contacts, Greetings from the LoCo Council, We would like to take a moment and discuss some ideas with you about implementing LoCo Bot logging of #ubuntu- channels on freenode. There is a method to this madness, and this would only apply to #ubuntu-loco-team-name (*main channels only, not off-topic ones*). The LoCo Council have discussed the issue of LoCo-team channel logging with the IRC Council and we've taken advice from Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu Community manager. It was recommended to us that all LoCo teams should enable logging for their main channel, and that we open this up for discussion on this mailing list. I think I have to agree with the email sent by Robert in response to this suggestion. I feel it should be voted upon and not mandated by some higher authority for various reasons (re: below). For many Approved teams this is already a standard practice and we thank you for it, but we would like to encourage this practice among the rest of the teams for a couple of good reasons: - When new contributors are checking out teams they will have an opportunity to read past logs in effort to better learn more about the team, this will help them to see what they can expect from the team, and even potentially find where there are needs that they might be able to help with. I have yet to see an instance where a possible contributor checks out our LoCo channel's logs or asks where they can read the logs. - Transparency - LoCo team channels (especially main channels) should strive to be a collaborative environment, where both gurus and new users can feel at ease to ask questions and have discussions in a non-offensive manner. Many channels ask in their channel topics that users within the channel be respectful and honor the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. I think the channels are transparent enough, if you can get on IRC, join the channel, see what is going on. Most of the time, not much at all is going on. I also don't see how a log will make gurus and new users feel at ease. Non-offensive was a good key as to why I think you all want to implement the logs. I don't think we need hallway-monitors in every channel. - Help the LoCo Council with team mediation in case of issues that arise. We have had several teams and team members asking the council the help with issues that have surfaced only to find that most of the complaints of behavior/dialogue took place within unlogged channels. This then becomes an issue of one contributor/member/users word over another, and can make things very difficult to mediate, and issues hard to resolve. Myself or others in the #ubuntu-chicago channel have yet to mediate anything. Our channel has been around for 4+ years without a single incident, and stating the log will help for mediating doesn't tickle my fancy. I feel like someone wants to raise the terror level when there is no threat :p We would like for this to be considered a requirement for all LoCo Team Channels, who are present under the #ubuntu- name space on freenode, not just Approved Team channels. This would only apply to each team main/core channel and does not apply to additional offtopic/chat channels. While some teams have created offtopic channels in the past this has also lead to the team core channel not being used and in some cases killing off their channel so please be considerate of this. I understand the council wanting this, but this is something I think that should be voted upon by the community. I live in the US, and we are policed enough. I don't want to feel like I am joining IRC with the police watching over me (no tin foil hat jokes please). I don't care if I am logged, because as many of you know, I am in pretty much every other channel that is logged and it doesn't bother me, but there are others who don't like it. In the meantime, my vote would be a -1 for such a proposal. -- Name| Richard JOHNSON Title| Developer WWW| http://www.ubuntu.com Email| nixter...@ubuntu.com GnuPG| 3578 0981 A21D D662 2A96 7623 F4C1 838C D8C4 4738 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: Logging of Ubuntu LoCo Teams core channels
And to add to my previous email. I think there are far better uses for a server than to host a bunch of log files of what will more than likely be nothing but fairly useless chatter or the members being social. I would rather see physical resources be utilized for making Ubuntu better. -- Name| Richard JOHNSON Title| Developer WWW| http://www.ubuntu.com Email| nixter...@ubuntu.com GnuPG| 3578 0981 A21D D662 2A96 7623 F4C1 838C D8C4 4738 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
