Re: [RFC] LEP#1, Standardize the LoCo Team Display Names
On 30/06/11 17:48, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: OK, So, let's clarify and get back on track: good idea Who's got more to add to this? -Paul me! ok, so that is some objections and some solutions, what I was missing was the problem. After making a complete and utter idiot of myself whilst trying to find out what the problem was I now think I do understand it better. It *isn't* just about un-uglifying http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ because even if that was perfectly sorted it would still look like an ugly huge page of links to read. It *isn't* about an obsessive compulsive need to rename everything in line with ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 country code elements (although I would totally sympathize if it was, hence me being rather pedantic about UK vs GB) It *is* about helping people new to Ubuntu to find their local team. I didn't get this until I read the UDS session notes here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-loco-directory/ and listened to the audio of the two sessions here: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/2011-05-09-09-55-community-o-loco-directory.ogg http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/2011-05-10-09-55-community-o-loco-portal.ogg As an aside, there are a few different use-cases for loco.ubuntu.com that I didn't know about before listening. I originally thought it was just supposed to be a series of microsites for the LoCo teams, and I didn't think it did this particularly well because I kept ending up on global lists of events and meetings, I was always accidentally escaping from the team I was on. However some people really do want to browse it and see events and stuff going on everywhere in the world, this is totally cool, I just never realised that was the point. The new my teams page http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/me goes a long way to improve my microsite use-case for the system. So the point of this exercise is to allow better navigation to your LoCo team from a starting point of *not* knowing what it is called and there are exceptions and complications all over the place which make that harder than it sounds. I don't know who organised the planet into countries, but they didn't do a very good job of it. I think the map on the home page of loco.ubuntu.com is a great start, it allows you to visually select where you are in the world, but then it falls down as it just links to an anchor on the big /teams page and doesn't really filter out any of the stuff I don't want to see, furthermore it basically dumps me at a list of 46 teams in Europe to trawl through, what I want it to do is give me a map of my continent, then I click my country and it tells me what is going on there. Having the 46 teams in a slightly more logical order (ISO codes are not massively intuitive) really won't make a heap of difference, I still want a map. Making 5 clickable maps that shows 152 teams in the right countries and maintaining it could be quite a bit of work, but in the words of Bob the Builder and Barak Obama We can do it! I have been messing about with a prototype here http://libertus.co.uk:8000/europe/ (running on my laptop at the wrong end of an ADSL line so it will seem slow - and might be turned off) It uses an SVG map from wikimedia commons which has all the country objects with the id matching the ISO code (except it uses uk when it should use gb technically . . .) I hacked together some code that displays a popup window with some HTML for the country listing the relevant teams, which might include nearby teams or language specialist teams as appropriate to the local situation. The thing is a bit hard coded and experimental at the moment (view source or grab lp:~alanbell/loco-directory/maps to see how it works) I need to add a field for the ISO country code to the country object in the loco directory to get this generating the per-country information directly from the database. The thing would need a full list of the teams below the map for accessibility reasons and those using browsers that don't do SVG (I have no idea if it works in Internet Explorer). I think there are probably maps on wikimedia commons appropriate to the other continents, (please go find them) I am going to focus on getting Europe near-perfect, if other people want to join in, especially to fix the rest of the world then lets collaborate on it in the #ubuntu-website channel on freenode. Even if we can make this work it doesn't mean that tidying up the LoCo names is a bad idea in itself, there is a lot of inconsistency there and consistency is good. I just think this is a more useful way of solving the underlying problem that has been identified. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
Re: [RFC] LEP#1, Standardize the LoCo Team Display Names
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 30/06/11 17:48, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: OK, So, let's clarify and get back on track: good idea Who's got more to add to this? -Paul ! me! ok, so that is some objections and some solutions, what I was missing was the problem. After making a complete and utter idiot of myself whilst trying to find out what the problem was I now think I do understand it better. It *isn't* just about un-uglifying http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ because even if that was perfectly sorted it would still look like an ugly huge page of links to read. It *isn't* about an obsessive compulsive need to rename everything in line with ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 country code elements (although I would totally sympathize if it was, hence me being rather pedantic about UK vs GB) It *is* about helping people new to Ubuntu to find their local team. I didn't get this until I read the UDS session notes here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-loco-directory/ and listened to the audio of the two sessions here: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/2011-05-09-09-55-community-o-loco-directory.ogg http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/2011-05-10-09-55-community-o-loco-portal.ogg As an aside, there are a few different use-cases for loco.ubuntu.com that I didn't know about before listening. I originally thought it was just supposed to be a series of microsites for the LoCo teams, and I didn't think it did this particularly well because I kept ending up on global lists of events and meetings, I was always accidentally escaping from the team I was on. However some people really do want to browse it and see events and stuff going on everywhere in the world, this is totally cool, I just never realised that was the point. The new my teams page http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/me goes a long way to improve my microsite use-case for the system. So the point of this exercise is to allow better navigation to your LoCo team from a starting point of *not* knowing what it is called and there are exceptions and complications all over the place which make that harder than it sounds. I don't know who organised the planet into countries, but they didn't do a very good job of it. I think the map on the home page of loco.ubuntu.com is a great start, it allows you to visually select where you are in the world, but then it falls down as it just links to an anchor on the big /teams page and doesn't really filter out any of the stuff I don't want to see, furthermore it basically dumps me at a list of 46 teams in Europe to trawl through, what I want it to do is give me a map of my continent, then I click my country and it tells me what is going on there. Having the 46 teams in a slightly more logical order (ISO codes are not massively intuitive) really won't make a heap of difference, I still want a map. Making 5 clickable maps that shows 152 teams in the right countries and maintaining it could be quite a bit of work, but in the words of Bob the Builder and Barak Obama We can do it! I have been messing about with a prototype here http://libertus.co.uk:8000/europe/ (running on my laptop at the wrong end of an ADSL line so it will seem slow - and might be turned off) It uses an SVG map from wikimedia commons which has all the country objects with the id matching the ISO code (except it uses uk when it should use gb technically . . .) I hacked together some code that displays a popup window with some HTML for the country listing the relevant teams, which might include nearby teams or language specialist teams as appropriate to the local situation. The thing is a bit hard coded and experimental at the moment (view source or grab lp:~alanbell/loco-directory/maps to see how it works) I need to add a field for the ISO country code to the country object in the loco directory to get this generating the per-country information directly from the database. The thing would need a full list of the teams below the map for accessibility reasons and those using browsers that don't do SVG (I have no idea if it works in Internet Explorer). I think there are probably maps on wikimedia commons appropriate to the other continents, (please go find them) I am going to focus on getting Europe near-perfect, if other people want to join in, especially to fix the rest of the world then lets collaborate on it in the #ubuntu-website channel on freenode. Even if we can make this work it doesn't mean that tidying up the LoCo names is a bad idea in itself, there is a lot of inconsistency there and consistency is good. I just think this is a more useful way of solving the underlying problem that has been identified. Alan. +1 Alan! A picture is worth a thousand words, no matter how they are sorted. Valorie, Ubuntu-US-WA team -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts
