Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Long Range Ethernet

2008-01-08 Thread Christopher Roberts
On Monday 07 January 2008 20:46, Michael Blinn wrote:
   Hello LTSPers - Interesting conundrum. I have two buildings that I'd
 like to run off a single LTSP server. The two buildings are currently
 bridged (same subnet) via a dry pair and have ethernet-extenders on each
 side of the pair. Currently, speed is 15mpbs but a new product promises
 50-100mpbs full-duplex. I haven't gone LTSP in this location yet for
 fear of how chunky operation will be.

We are using NXClient and FreeNX to provide (fat client) remote access to our 
LTSP server. It does have a significant overhead on the server, but the 
client performance is phenomenal.

The rather misses the point of LTSP, but I was considering adding a basic LTSP 
server at the remote end, just to serve up a basic client, and then a screen 
script to connect to the main LTSP server.

   * http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress

Sounds all a bit experimental - depends whether you fancy a challenge!

If you already have fat clients at the remote end, then you could consider 
using the Knoppix live CD, which (from memory) now includes the NX Client.

Chris.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi,
On Mo, 2008-01-07 at 21:31 +0200, Asmo Koskinen wrote:
 While LTSP development is focused on LTSP 5, I would argue that there's 
 not a significant benefit *to users* of version 5 over version 4.2. 
 Therefore, in many (most?) cases, K12LTSP 6, based on LTSP 4.2 and 
 Fedora 6, or K12LTSP-5EL, based on LTSP 4.2 and Centos5, is just fine, 
 and can actually perform better in some areas such as client boot time.
if one can live without security support, desktop integration, updates,
upgradeability or support for recent/current hardware to gain some
seconds in bootime that might even be true :)

ciao
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Subhodip Biswas
so i finally managed to make LTSP 5 giving me a login screen . thanks
jam for the help .
are there any issues with LDM? . i cant login right now .

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Sebastien Koechlin
On Jan 8, 2008 10:03 AM, Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi,
 On Mo, 2008-01-07 at 21:31 +0200, Asmo Koskinen wrote:
  While LTSP development is focused on LTSP 5, I would argue that there's
  not a significant benefit *to users* of version 5 over version 4.2.
  Therefore, in many (most?) cases, K12LTSP 6, based on LTSP 4.2 and
  Fedora 6, or K12LTSP-5EL, based on LTSP 4.2 and Centos5, is just fine,
  and can actually perform better in some areas such as client boot time.

 if one can live without security support, desktop integration, updates,
 upgradeability or support for recent/current hardware to gain some
 seconds in bootime that might even be true :)

Is LTSP5 working as well with old harware; from the Pentium and
Pentium MMX generation? Old video cards, old NIC...

I have a lot of thoses old computers running well with LTSP 4.2. I
don't want to upgrade and find that a third of my terminals are no
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[Ltsp-discuss] problem with x

2008-01-08 Thread Subhodip Biswas
hi !
 after much trouble i am able to get a ubuntu login screen on my
fedora 8 machine . i was told that  ubuntu uses inetd while fedora
uses xinetd . is this the why i am not able to login ? every time i
login in it put be back to login screen.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi,
On Di, 2008-01-08 at 12:14 +0100, Sebastien Koechlin wrote:
 Is LTSP5 working as well with old harware; from the Pentium and
 Pentium MMX generation? Old video cards, old NIC...
it will work from 233Mhz on with at least 48M of ram (thats teh bare
minimum though, recommended are rather 400MHz and 64M) with any sorts of
PCI cards out of the box ...

if you have different HW that needs special treatment its a lot easier
to customize ltsp5 than 4.x simply due to the fact that ltsp5 is built
with standard distro packages (i.e. you can install the nvidia or ati
drivers within minutes, make an ISA card work hat needs special
initialization etc... ltsp5 is actually a small variant of the server
system, all you can do on a normal distro is possible (even compiling
stuff by just installing the compiler and dependencies in the client
environment))

the biggest advantage of ltsp5 is its flexibility. while providing an
autodetection mechanism for HW that should make it work out of the box
on most HW already its also easy to customize for special needs ...

ciao
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] problem with x

2008-01-08 Thread Subhodip Biswas
currently i am getting this error with login screen . i have already
ran tha ltsp-update-sshkey script.
tail -f /var/log/secure gave me this :

 error: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Address already in use.

 fatal: Cannot bind any address.

On Jan 8, 2008 4:52 PM, Subhodip Biswas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi !
  after much trouble i am able to get a ubuntu login screen on my
 fedora 8 machine . i was told that  ubuntu uses inetd while fedora
 uses xinetd . is this the why i am not able to login ? every time i
 login in it put be back to login screen.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Long Range Ethernet

2008-01-08 Thread Rob Owens


Christopher Roberts wrote:
 On Monday 07 January 2008 20:46, Michael Blinn wrote:
   Hello LTSPers - Interesting conundrum. I have two buildings that I'd
 like to run off a single LTSP server. The two buildings are currently
 bridged (same subnet) via a dry pair and have ethernet-extenders on each
 side of the pair. Currently, speed is 15mpbs but a new product promises
 50-100mpbs full-duplex. I haven't gone LTSP in this location yet for
 fear of how chunky operation will be.
 
 We are using NXClient and FreeNX to provide (fat client) remote access to our 
 LTSP server. It does have a significant overhead on the server, but the 
 client performance is phenomenal.
 
 The rather misses the point of LTSP, but I was considering adding a basic 
 LTSP 
 server at the remote end, just to serve up a basic client, and then a screen 
 script to connect to the main LTSP server.
 
* http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress
 
 Sounds all a bit experimental - depends whether you fancy a challenge!
 
 If you already have fat clients at the remote end, then you could consider 
 using the Knoppix live CD, which (from memory) now includes the NX Client.
 
You could also make a custom boot CD based on something lightweight, 
like Puppy or Damn Small Linux, and include the NX Client.  Both of 
those distros run fast on old hardware with low amounts of RAM.

-Rob

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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP 5 and non-ssh authentication

2008-01-08 Thread Rob Owens
I'm trying to set up LTSP 5 on a server that allows ssh access from the 
internet, and as such I disallow password authentication.  This seems to 
conflict with LTSP 5, though.  Is it possible to authenticate by means 
other than ssh?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Rob Owens


Sebastien Koechlin wrote:
 On Jan 8, 2008 10:03 AM, Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi,
 On Mo, 2008-01-07 at 21:31 +0200, Asmo Koskinen wrote:
 While LTSP development is focused on LTSP 5, I would argue that there's
 not a significant benefit *to users* of version 5 over version 4.2.
 Therefore, in many (most?) cases, K12LTSP 6, based on LTSP 4.2 and
 Fedora 6, or K12LTSP-5EL, based on LTSP 4.2 and Centos5, is just fine,
 and can actually perform better in some areas such as client boot time.
 if one can live without security support, desktop integration, updates,
 upgradeability or support for recent/current hardware to gain some
 seconds in bootime that might even be true :)
 
 Is LTSP5 working as well with old harware; from the Pentium and
 Pentium MMX generation? Old video cards, old NIC...
 
 I have a lot of thoses old computers running well with LTSP 4.2. I
 don't want to upgrade and find that a third of my terminals are no
 more working.
 
I have not had good luck w/ anything earlier than Pentium 3 clients, 
although I haven't done extensive testing.  But I took my home LTSP 4.2 
system and switched to LTSP 5 and now my clients don't work (Pentium 2 
machines w/ 64 to 128MB of RAM).  I still want to play around with LTSP 
5 so I'm going to try installing LTSP 4.2 and LTSP 5 on the same server, 
and specify the kernel and root-path per mac address in lts.conf -- I'll 
report back once I verify whether it works or not.

-Rob

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi,
On Di, 2008-01-08 at 07:30 -0500, Rob Owens wrote:

 I have not had good luck w/ anything earlier than Pentium 3 clients, 
 although I haven't done extensive testing.  But I took my home LTSP 4.2 
 system and switched to LTSP 5 and now my clients don't work (Pentium 2 
 machines w/ 64 to 128MB of RAM).  I still want to play around with LTSP 
 5 so I'm going to try installing LTSP 4.2 and LTSP 5 on the same server, 
 and specify the kernel and root-path per mac address in lts.conf -- I'll 
 report back once I verify whether it works or not.
please make sure to file bugs if you find anything not working ;)

ciao
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread jam

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 04:36 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 so i finally managed to make LTSP 5 giving me a login screen . thanks
 jam for the help .
 are there any issues with LDM? . i cant login right now .

When I had that problem it was because there was no xsession in /etc/X11
I needed to sym link it and :-( no xsession means no .xsession-errors
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] problem with x

2008-01-08 Thread jam

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 04:36 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi !
  after much trouble i am able to get a ubuntu login screen on my
 fedora 8 machine . i was told that  ubuntu uses inetd while fedora
 uses xinetd . is this the why i am not able to login ? every time i
 login in it put be back to login screen.

By getting a login screen you know that xinetd is serving the nbd
compressed image. I built ldm that logs to syslog so you can, on the
server watch the login progress. I still think that you do not have
an /etc/X11/xsession file. Mail me for the ldm if you want it

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] problem problem

2008-01-08 Thread jam

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 04:36 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  PS I rebuilt ldm to allow DIRECTX LDM_NAME and LDM_PASSWORD. Those
 did
  not work on my last download. 
 
  PPS Why CentOS ? ... 'cause my customer INSISTS

 
 Yes, I know that CentOS is very popular - and why not - slow cycle
 with 
 patches/updates from RedHat.
 
 Jam - have you put these things on some Wiki or somewhere else?
 
 Best Regards Asmo Koskinen.

I will, I will, just been s busy. Anybody needing to do a CentOS or
(surely) fedora mail me and I will post how to get it running like
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] debian 3 ltsp

2008-01-08 Thread Christopher Roberts
On Tuesday 08 January 2008 06:21, Pasupathy Murugan wrote:
 i installed debian 3 ,
 i did  step by step install of ltsp
 1, dhcpd3
 2. file server (nfs,samba)
 3. tftp
 4.xdmcp
  
 but that is not working ,

What is not working? xdmcp?

 i fought  that matter last 1 week, i don't understand
 pdfs,

Have you followed instructions:


 (i need proper way either debian 3 or debian 4)

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] debian 3 ltsp

2008-01-08 Thread Asmo Koskinen
Pasupathy Murugan kirjoitti:
 i installed debian 3 , 
 i did  step by step install of ltsp
   

Have you seen this one:

http://linuxagora.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=860

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] debian 3 ltsp

2008-01-08 Thread Christopher Roberts
On Tuesday 08 January 2008 06:21, Pasupathy Murugan wrote:
 i installed debian 3 ,
 i did  step by step install of ltsp
 1, dhcpd3
 2. file server (nfs,samba)
 3. tftp
 4.xdmcp
  
 but that is not working ,

What is not working? xdmcp?

 i fought  that matter last 1 week, i don't understand
 pdfs,

Have you followed instructions:

   * http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian

 (i need proper way either debian 3 or debian 4)

3 (Sarge) is rather outdated, I would have thought you should be using 4 
(Etch).

Or Ubuntu might be simpler with LTSP5.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] PXE client boot hangs

2008-01-08 Thread Wim De Geeter
Hi,
After I reinstalled the chroot environment now with etch (before lenny) 
the PXE is booting fine now.
The problem now is that the client boots in runlevel 2 and not 5.
This is my lts.conf

[default]
SERVER = x.x.x.x
XSERVER   = auto
X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
SCREEN_07   = startx
RUNLEVEL= 5

Thanks

jam wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:10 -0800,
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 txs
 I had to run it manually.
 Now I got a few mounting errors
 mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
 mount: Mounting unionfs on /root failed: No such device
 mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
 etc.
 

 Wrong DHCP server responding or
 Wrong root file system path or
 nbd not enabled or present 

 Get an ubuntu system running THEN port
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] PXE client boot hangs

2008-01-08 Thread Wim De Geeter
Thanks, but I tried it already with a lot of combinations. (also without 
runlevel = 5)

J. Paul Bissonnette wrote:
 Wim De Geeter wrote:
   
 Hi,
 After I reinstalled the chroot environment now with etch (before lenny) 
 the PXE is booting fine now.
 The problem now is that the client boots in runlevel 2 and not 5.
 This is my lts.conf

 [default]
 SERVER = x.x.x.x
 XSERVER   = auto
 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
 SCREEN_07   = startx
 RUNLEVEL= 5

 Thanks

   
 
 I thought run levels were replaced with 
 SCREEN_01  = startx

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] debian 3 ltsp

2008-01-08 Thread J. Paul Bissonnette
Christopher Roberts wrote:
 On Tuesday 08 January 2008 06:21, Pasupathy Murugan wrote:
   
 i installed debian 3 ,
 i did  step by step install of ltsp
 1, dhcpd3
 2. file server (nfs,samba)
 3. tftp
 4.xdmcp
  
 but that is not working ,
 

 What is not working? xdmcp?

   
 i fought  that matter last 1 week, i don't understand
 pdfs,
 

 Have you followed instructions:

* http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian

   
 (i need proper way either debian 3 or debian 4)
 

 3 (Sarge) is rather outdated, I would have thought you should be using 4 
 (Etch).

 Or Ubuntu might be simpler with LTSP5.

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Debian 3  had an issue with dhcpd 3.03 it didn't work with ltsp.
What is the last display on your terminal?
What does /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf look like?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] problem with x

2008-01-08 Thread Rob Owens

jam wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 04:36 -0800,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi !
  after much trouble i am able to get a ubuntu login screen on my
 fedora 8 machine . i was told that  ubuntu uses inetd while fedora
 uses xinetd . is this the why i am not able to login ? every time i
 login in it put be back to login screen.
 
This happened to me when I had password authentication disabled in 
sshd_config.

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[Ltsp-discuss] fd cache inconsistency!

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Fanning
Hi all,

In my syslog I'm getting lots of these.

nfsd[1926]: fd cache inconsistency!
last message repeated 31 times

Does anyone know what it means?

Thanks.
Chris.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP 5 and non-ssh authentication

2008-01-08 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:25:58 -0500
Rob Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm trying to set up LTSP 5 on a server that allows ssh access from the 
 internet, and as such I disallow password authentication.  This seems to 
 conflict with LTSP 5, though.  Is it possible to authenticate by means 
 other than ssh?

I use LTSP 4.2 ,disallow password authentication via SSH and restrict the
IP addresses from which you can get a SSH connection, and have never had a
problem. Is this something new or different with version 5?

You can use your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files to selectively
allow certain addresses to use SSH (and other services).  You can also specify
allowed users in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Frank Cox
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:35:08 +0100
Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it will work from 233Mhz on with at least 48M of ram (thats teh bare
 minimum though, recommended are rather 400MHz and 64M) with any sorts of
 PCI cards out of the box ...

That scares me a bit.  Does this mean that my 32mb Capio 600-series terminals
would not work with LTSP 5?  I use 4.2 on them now (with Fedora and Centos
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] PXE client boot hangs

2008-01-08 Thread jam

On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 12:01 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After I reinstalled the chroot environment now with etch (before
 lenny) 
 the PXE is booting fine now.
 The problem now is that the client boots in runlevel 2 and not 5.
 This is my lts.conf
 
 [default]
 SERVER = x.x.x.x
 XSERVER   = auto
 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
 SCREEN_07   = startx
 RUNLEVEL= 5
 
 Thanks
 
 jam wrote:
  On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:10 -0800,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  txs
  I had to run it manually.
  Now I got a few mounting errors
  mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
  mount: Mounting unionfs on /root failed: No such device
  mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
  etc.
  
 
  Wrong DHCP server responding or
  Wrong root file system path or
  nbd not enabled or present 
 
  Get an ubuntu system running THEN port

Umm this is complicated, I would not use SCREEN_07 (or anything unless
you HAVE to in lts.conf) Your system DOES use level 2 and startx is
different to using LDM.

If you use startx the the server must allow xdmcp logins. Get that
working first.

ldm does not use xdmcp to login so try to use that.

In every case RUNLEVEL is old (pre 5) and not relevant to the way ltsp 5
works (which is in level 2 !!)

James


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] PXE client boot hangs

2008-01-08 Thread Wim De Geeter
Thanks,
xdmcp is working and is broadcasted. I can access my server using xdmcp 
query and login using gdm.

jam wrote:
 On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 12:01 -0800,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 After I reinstalled the chroot environment now with etch (before
 lenny) 
 the PXE is booting fine now.
 The problem now is that the client boots in runlevel 2 and not 5.
 This is my lts.conf

 [default]
 SERVER = x.x.x.x
 XSERVER   = auto
 X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
 SCREEN_07   = startx
 RUNLEVEL= 5

 Thanks

 jam wrote:
 
 On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:10 -0800,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
 txs
 I had to run it manually.
 Now I got a few mounting errors
 mount: Mounting /dev/nbd0 on /rofs failed: No such device
 mount: Mounting unionfs on /root failed: No such device
 mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
 etc.
 
 
 Wrong DHCP server responding or
 Wrong root file system path or
 nbd not enabled or present 

 Get an ubuntu system running THEN port
   

 Umm this is complicated, I would not use SCREEN_07 (or anything unless
 you HAVE to in lts.conf) Your system DOES use level 2 and startx is
 different to using LDM.

 If you use startx the the server must allow xdmcp logins. Get that
 working first.

 ldm does not use xdmcp to login so try to use that.

 In every case RUNLEVEL is old (pre 5) and not relevant to the way ltsp 5
 works (which is in level 2 !!)

 James


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] booting stalled

2008-01-08 Thread Subhodip Biswas
i finally managed to get a working LTSP 5 on my fedora 8 box and its
working superfine .

On Jan 8, 2008 11:59 PM, Frank Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:35:08 +0100
 Oliver Grawert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  it will work from 233Mhz on with at least 48M of ram (thats teh bare
  minimum though, recommended are rather 400MHz and 64M) with any sorts of
  PCI cards out of the box ...

 That scares me a bit.  Does this mean that my 32mb Capio 600-series terminals
 would not work with LTSP 5?  I use 4.2 on them now (with Fedora and Centos
 servers) and they work great.

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