Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"

2016-08-17 Thread David Groos 
Interesting, I assumed that the 1.14 would have more bug-fixes as this page
seems to imply: http://mate-desktop.com/blog/2016-04-08-mate-1-14-released/

Thanks for sharing your perspective!

David

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Alkis Georgopoulos 
wrote:

> On 17/08/2016 11:27 μμ, David Groos wrote:
> > Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
> > the former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the
> > arch64 version but there's an update, apparently:
> > https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
>
> Personally I prefer using the stock version provided by Ubuntu, rather
> than newer versions found in PPAs, unless there's some very specific
> problem that is only solved with the PPA version.
>
> The stock versions are usually more tested and supported.
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"

2016-08-17 Thread David Groos 
Hi Jigish

Nice to see such activity for education. Looks like someone/s has put a lot
of effort in loading up that image. For my use I'll actually be stripping
off applications from the basic Mate iso. Looks like I can do a post 1.12
install of 1.14 with:
sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-mate-dev/xenial-mate
sudo apt update
sudo apt dist-upgrade

Thanks for the reference,
David


On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Jigish Gohil 
wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 1:57 AM, David Groos  wrote:
> > Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
> the
> > former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the arch64
> > version but there's an update, apparently:
> > https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
> >
> This iso has Ubuntu 16.04.1 and Mate 1.14:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberorg-home/files/Li-f-e/
>
> https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/cyberorg-home/
> screenshots/li-f-e-16.04.1.png
>
> Cheers
>
> -J
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"

2016-08-17 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos 
On 17/08/2016 11:27 μμ, David Groos wrote:
> Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
> the former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the
> arch64 version but there's an update, apparently:
> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.

Personally I prefer using the stock version provided by Ubuntu, rather
than newer versions found in PPAs, unless there's some very specific
problem that is only solved with the PPA version.

The stock versions are usually more tested and supported.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"

2016-08-17 Thread Jigish Gohil 
On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 1:57 AM, David Groos  wrote:
> Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14, the
> former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the arch64
> version but there's an update, apparently:
> https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.
>
This iso has Ubuntu 16.04.1 and Mate 1.14:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cyberorg-home/files/Li-f-e/

https://a.fsdn.com/con/app/proj/cyberorg-home/screenshots/li-f-e-16.04.1.png

Cheers

-J

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"

2016-08-17 Thread David Groos 
Hi Alkis, That settles it, Mate it is. Do I want 1.12 or the newer 1.14,
the former is what downloads from Mate's web page when I download the
arch64 version but there's an update, apparently:
https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/mate-desktop-114-for-xenial-xerus/.

Thanks,
David

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:18 AM, Alkis Georgopoulos 
wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> I haven't tried the low graphics mode.
>
> I'm guessing that it won't be used at all in fat clients, since they run
> unity locally and not remotely. So the normal graphics mode will be used.
>
> It should help in thin clients, but I don't know how much, since it'll
> still be using the slow llvmpipe.
>
> Cheers,
> Alkis
>
>
> On 17/08/2016 04:57 πμ, David Groos wrote:
> > Hi LTSP folks!
> >
> > First post here. I recently saw on ubuntu.com 
> > website (link with pertinent text pasted below) in their announcement of
> > 16.04.1. Wonder how Unity under low graphics mode works compared to
> > Mate. Am leaning towards Mate since it's quick AND used in Greek schools
> > (so more supported). But, students do like Unity. Anyone know how these
> > compare for LTSP-pnp (will be using FAT clients)? I'm wondering about
> > speed and reliability.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David G
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/28/ubuntu-version-16-
> 04-point-1-is-out/
> >
> > Low graphics mode
> > An interesting improvement for users of older hardware, those who might
> > access their machines over a remote-desktop connection or users of
> > virtual machines. We have been working on improving the optimisations
> > for lower powered graphics hardware or software backed rendering. The
> > Unity 7 desktop makes use of modern graphics hardware to display desktop
> > components such as the dash and to provide visual enhancements to the
> > daily operation of the desktop. In order to speed up the rendering of
> > the desktop on less powerful machines we have reduced or removed a lot
> > of the animations and blur effects. Low graphics mode has always been
> > included in Unity 7 but we are now a being a bit more aggressive when it
> > comes to disabling some of these effects. Unity 7 will automatically
> > detect if your hardware is supported for the full experience and if not
> > it will enable low graphics mode. Users can also manually enable low
> > graphics mode but those instructions are beyond the scope of this post
> > and will be followed up in a separate post. Keep an eye on the usual
> > social media channels for more information.
> >
> >
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Mate vs Unity in "low graphics mode"

2016-08-17 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos 
Hi David,

I haven't tried the low graphics mode.

I'm guessing that it won't be used at all in fat clients, since they run
unity locally and not remotely. So the normal graphics mode will be used.

It should help in thin clients, but I don't know how much, since it'll
still be using the slow llvmpipe.

Cheers,
Alkis


On 17/08/2016 04:57 πμ, David Groos wrote:
> Hi LTSP folks!
> 
> First post here. I recently saw on ubuntu.com 
> website (link with pertinent text pasted below) in their announcement of
> 16.04.1. Wonder how Unity under low graphics mode works compared to
> Mate. Am leaning towards Mate since it's quick AND used in Greek schools
> (so more supported). But, students do like Unity. Anyone know how these
> compare for LTSP-pnp (will be using FAT clients)? I'm wondering about
> speed and reliability.
> 
> Thanks,
> David G
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/28/ubuntu-version-16-04-point-1-is-out/
> 
> Low graphics mode
> An interesting improvement for users of older hardware, those who might
> access their machines over a remote-desktop connection or users of
> virtual machines. We have been working on improving the optimisations
> for lower powered graphics hardware or software backed rendering. The
> Unity 7 desktop makes use of modern graphics hardware to display desktop
> components such as the dash and to provide visual enhancements to the
> daily operation of the desktop. In order to speed up the rendering of
> the desktop on less powerful machines we have reduced or removed a lot
> of the animations and blur effects. Low graphics mode has always been
> included in Unity 7 but we are now a being a bit more aggressive when it
> comes to disabling some of these effects. Unity 7 will automatically
> detect if your hardware is supported for the full experience and if not
> it will enable low graphics mode. Users can also manually enable low
> graphics mode but those instructions are beyond the scope of this post
> and will be followed up in a separate post. Keep an eye on the usual
> social media channels for more information.
> 
> 
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