Re: who's zooming who?
Bill, and all, I am not one to be objecting to non lute postings, but I have read this thread - so answer to all rather than one. Around the world there are biases in coverage of events - and also over time. There were polemics written in the 13 colonies about the arguments over our Constitution. The lute list has been compromised, in the view of some, by my speaking of harps - but questions of national policy seem really off the wall for such a list. At the same time there is the issue of freedom of speech, and thought. Perhaps such issues should be raised on the list, but carried on off list. Then again, I'm not the best arbiter of that being an offender. Best, Jon
Re: Fete de la musique
what a wonderful idea - who wouldn't benefit from a national day to celebrate music and musicians. bearing in mind that it's the sound of the music that attracts one to it in the first place, then i'd say no, i don't think it's possible to choose one sort of contemporary music over another and devoid it of politics. whether it's pertinent or not or has any lasting value, i'd say yes, it does. there's only so much that can be enjoyed contemporarily before it has to be seen in terms of cultural continuity - history is inevitable. you could listen to just one sort of music all your life but there are risks - retro-style hair-dos, hefty fees from historically informed instrument makers and elvis lives! tattoos just to name a few. as for taking up the lute: after years of plodding along on the guitar, playing more or less the same chords, i heard an oud and that was that. i didn't choose it so much as it simply got me. the sound of a charango with a 5c. lute tuning completed the process. what to do... thank you alain for your lute musings. i've never heard of othmane bali before but the bbc world service article on him and his group (from mali) sounds wonderful. sincerely - bill
A lute's moment of truth.
Does a lute maker know how a lute is going to sound as he's building it? Or, is he unsure until he has put tensioned strings on the finished product?
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
I've heard tales of a lutemaker who could tell by knocking on a tree how it will (most likely) sound ... best wishes Thomas Am Mit, 2004-06-23 um 16.14 schrieb Herbert Ward: Does a lute maker know how a lute is going to sound as he's building it? Or, is he unsure until he has put tensioned strings on the finished product? --
re: who's zooming who? (READER ALERT: POLITICAL CONTENT)
At 08:06 PM 06/22/2004 -0500, Gary Digman wrote: To those that are offended by political discussion, I would say political discussion is a necessary evil in a democratic society. It may not be fun, but is is necessary. Also, I value freedom, and freedom means being willing to tolerate in others what makes me uncomfortable or uneasy as long as it does not impinge on my right to do the same. Freedom and democracy is messy. If you find these comments inconsistent with your vision of the lutelist, please delete. I am not remotely offended by political discussion. In fact, I relish it...I just don't like it in the context of a discussion group that is supposed to center on lutes and periphera. I get plenty of political discussion elsewhere, places where I don't get informed dialog on lutes. X X X X X X X Eugene C. Braig IV The Ohio State University School of Natural Resources Kottman Hall 2021 Coffey Rd. Columbus, OH 43210 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (614)292-9841 FAX:(614)292-7432 field: (614)795-7078 X X X X X X X http://snr.osu.edu/myhome/braig.1 http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/centernet/phone_single.asp?id=1361
Re: Music of Antoine Francisque
Hello to all, I have recorded some music from Francisque's Le Tresor D'Orphee in the last year, and would like to offer it for you to listen to, and get some feedback about his music (and my playing of it). I don't know of any recordings of his music, (although there must be some out there); so I was definitely flying blind so to speak, when deciding on tempos and interpretations, etc. If I may beg further forgiveness; the recording was done at my home in a three day span, and there was no editing or processing. Also, I forgot to wear my period costume. :) I used nylgut strings and cut off all my right hand nails; quite a sacrifice for a guitarist! I believe gut strings would've sounded better, even with nails. Anyway, thought this might be of some interest. The MP3's are at: http://www.jamesedwardsguitar.com/cd_morphues.html. There are a couple of typo's, I'll fix those soon. Sincerely, James Edwards --
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
I took my lute for repair to a violion maker and she blew in the sound hole to figure out my instrument's tuning: the bowl was in D, she said. Alain At 07:30 AM 6/23/04, Thomas Schall wrote: I've heard tales of a lutemaker who could tell by knocking on a tree how it will (most likely) sound ... best wishes Thomas Am Mit, 2004-06-23 um 16.14 schrieb Herbert Ward: Does a lute maker know how a lute is going to sound as he's building it? Or, is he unsure until he has put tensioned strings on the finished product? --
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
I would say somewhat unsure because you never know how all things are going to work together. However if the Luthier uses the same methods, finish, plans, and similar materials and has had good success doing the same over a period of time odds are the instrument is not going to sound bad. It is possible some may sound better than the norm. The real determining factor is the top. The top or belly is the soul of the instrument. The quality of the wood, the number of growth rings across the face and most importantly the tuning thereof will determine the sound the instrument is capable of producing. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: A lute's moment of truth. Does a lute maker know how a lute is going to sound as he's building it? Or, is he unsure until he has put tensioned strings on the finished product?
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
Aren't those people great? But I suspect she didn't like your lute maker - or was it a baroque lute? To sugest a tuning in D would be unusual for a renaissance lute. Thomas Am Mit, 2004-06-23 um 21.29 schrieb Alain Veylit: I took my lute for repair to a violion maker and she blew in the sound hole to figure out my instrument's tuning: the bowl was in D, she said. Alain At 07:30 AM 6/23/04, Thomas Schall wrote: I've heard tales of a lutemaker who could tell by knocking on a tree how it will (most likely) sound ... best wishes Thomas Am Mit, 2004-06-23 um 16.14 schrieb Herbert Ward: Does a lute maker know how a lute is going to sound as he's building it? Or, is he unsure until he has put tensioned strings on the finished product? -- --
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
... and she blew in the sound hole begin science corner To produce white noise, I guess. White noise has a flat spectral decomposition (ie, contains all frequencies equally). end science corner
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
Actually I would be curious to hear from lute makers on that one: the instrument BTW is a small archlute normally tuned in G. I doubt that there is any attempt on the part of makers to actually tune the bowl to a certain pitch, but it also seems that the natural accoustic properties of the bowl would give a particular instrument its own balance (even though as someone said the top may be more of a determinant factor.) Any studies known in that field? Alain At 02:36 PM 6/23/04, Thomas Schall wrote: Aren't those people great? But I suspect she didn't like your lute maker - or was it a baroque lute? To sugest a tuning in D would be unusual for a renaissance lute. Thomas Am Mit, 2004-06-23 um 21.29 schrieb Alain Veylit: I took my lute for repair to a violion maker and she blew in the sound hole to figure out my instrument's tuning: the bowl was in D, she said. Alain At 07:30 AM 6/23/04, Thomas Schall wrote: I've heard tales of a lutemaker who could tell by knocking on a tree how it will (most likely) sound ... best wishes Thomas Am Mit, 2004-06-23 um 16.14 schrieb Herbert Ward: Does a lute maker know how a lute is going to sound as he's building it? Or, is he unsure until he has put tensioned strings on the finished product? -- --
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
Herbert, I was very impressed by that little trick of hers - like anyone with a broken neck might be impressed with the surgeon's jokes... - but now I'd really like to know more: supposing she produced white noise, would the bowl be able to filter out and amplify certain frequencies - thereby producing a D? I have noticed that I always preferred pieces in F minor on that lute - I never thought it could have anything to do with the instrument, but now I am beginning to wonder if some keys don't sound better because of some physical characteristics of the instrument. I'Il be happy to read more science about this- Alain At 02:51 PM 6/23/04, Herbert Ward wrote: ... and she blew in the sound hole begin science corner To produce white noise, I guess. White noise has a flat spectral decomposition (ie, contains all frequencies equally). end science corner
re: who's zooming who? (READER ALERT: POLITICAL CONTENT)
Dear Mr. Braig; Then, why did you open my posting? It's not like I didn't alert you to the contents. Secondly, I would not presume to tell others what they can or cannot talk about here. Thirdly, I did not bring up the subject; I only responded to a previous message. I have noted that you do not like political discussions in this forum, but it will not prevent me from expressing my opinions when I feel I have something to offer. Please rest assured that any posting of mine containing political content will be duly marked in the subject heading so that anyone who objects can delete it unread. Also, I will not initiate political discussion here, but I will respond to a previous political posting if I so desire. Thank you. All the Best, Gary - Original Message - From: Eugene Braig Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:34:14 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: re: who's zooming who? (READER ALERT: POLITICAL CONTENT) At 08:06 PM 06/22/2004 -0500, Gary Digman wrote: To those that are offended by political discussion, I would say political discussion is a necessary evil in a democratic society. It may not be fun, but is is necessary. Also, I value freedom, and freedom means being willing to tolerate in others what makes me uncomfortable or uneasy as long as it does not impinge on my right to do the same. Freedom and democracy is messy. If you find these comments inconsistent with your vision of the lutelist, please delete. I am not remotely offended by political discussion. In fact, I relish it...I just don't like it in the cont ext of a discussion group that is supposed to center on lutes and periphera. I get plenty of political discussion elsewhere, places where I don't get informed dialog on lutes. X X X X X X X Eugene C. Braig IV The Ohio State University School of Natural Resources Kottman Hall 2021 Coffey Rd. Columbus, OH 43210 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (614)292-9841 FAX: (614)292-7432 field: (614)795-7078 http://snr.osu.edu/myhome/braig.1 http://www.oardc.ohio-state.edu/centernet/phone_single.asp?id=1361 -- __ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com [1]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup References 1. http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode=adsfreejump01
Re: A lute's moment of truth.
I have noticed that I always preferred pieces in F minor on that lute - I never thought it could have anything to do with the instrument, but now I am beginning to wonder if some keys don't sound better because of some physical characteristics of the instrument. I'Il be happy to read more science about this- Didn't we have a similar discussion a few months ago? I remember being inspired to hum into my lute to find the resonant pitch. -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
