Re: Internet telephony?
Digital fingering - any fool knows that. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:14 AM Subject: Re: Internet telephony? I an really curious: would 4 (or any) voice telephony be really possible on a lute, which is generally thought an analog instrument? And if yes: what fingering should be used? RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume that you are looking at internet telephony as an adjunct to your regular lines. I'm thinking of going to it either on my cable provider (which I use as an ISP to connect me to my domain host), or through the standard common carrier (either Verizon or ATT) who are now offering it. Internet telephony is a good bargain, at the moment. (Someday internet bus services will have to be paid by someone, but that is not in the offing). But if you intend to move your general telephone service to VOI (voice over internet) you must remember that VOI requires line power, so a power outage cuts off your phone. I only say this to make it clear, I think I'll go to VOI for the savings - but I'm in NJ, where I don't get serious power outages. If you intend it for the specific sharing of music, then the power question doesn't apply. OK Daniel, said I'd ask a question on notation after the storm passed. Now you, and the list, are stuck with it. I've read the 1525(?) text that seems to be the bible (someone set a link to a facsimile), I've read whatever I can find. BUT, than damned vertical line within the clef of the tabulature has me buffaloed. What I read suggests that it is an instruction for a thumb stroke, but it isn't cosistant, and seldom works musically. Take, for example (and I have more examples, but this seems to cover it), the Pavan Blondeau (by good old Anon.) that you have posted. Look at it. In the first eight measures (assuming the first printed to be a pickup and therefore counted as zero) there are a number of those verticals. If I thought them to be a thumb/then more thumb breaking of the chord I'd get a discord. OK, maybe that is what is wanted, but then in measure seven and eight the verticle from the sixthe course a would indicate a brush stroke of the whole damned open strings, and that wouldn't be fitting or melodious to the piece. Then get into the next section, and the verticals seem to take on more meaning, as each is different. OK guys, I confess to stupidity, but I haven't found a meaning yet for that notation that is musical. I'm sure when I'm told I'll go out in the backyard and eat worms. I chose this piece, rather than others with similar notation, as it has the verticals (no I don't mean whole notes above the clef) of differing lengths (and it is available to all on Daniel's site). Having played the piece, ignoring those verticals, I find it proper - put them in and you have a worse chord than that McFarlane Gypsies Lilt chord that was so maligned six months ago. Help,
Re: Internet telephony?
Now, would this be a tautology or a conclusion??? I tend to think the latter. RT Digital fingering - any fool knows that. TC I an really curious: would 4 (or any) voice telephony be really possible on a lute, which is generally thought as an analog instrument? And if yes: what fingering should be used? RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I assume that you are looking at internet telephony as an adjunct to your regular lines. I'm thinking of going to it either on my cable provider (which I use as an ISP to connect me to my domain host), or through the standard common carrier (either Verizon or ATT) who are now offering it. Internet telephony is a good bargain, at the moment. (Someday internet bus services will have to be paid by someone, but that is not in the offing). But if you intend to move your general telephone service to VOI (voice over internet) you must remember that VOI requires line power, so a power outage cuts off your phone. I only say this to make it clear, I think I'll go to VOI for the savings - but I'm in NJ, where I don't get serious power outages. If you intend it for the specific sharing of music, then the power question doesn't apply.
A Wemyss Tale
Dear Rob, Absolutely brilliant! Nice for you to pop by. You really should write a book about your gigs. They are hilariously funny, and so true to life. Many subscribers to this List will have missed your Gig from Hell story, either because they were not subscribers at the time, or because you sent it to the Baroque Lute List, rather than to the main list. You sent it over five years ago, on 17th July 1999. It really is a classic, one of the funniest messages I've had the pleasure of reading on this list, so I reproduce it for everyone below: [NB One extremely rude word is essential to portray the incongruity of the situation, yet Wayne's Spam filter blocked it, when I tried posting this message to the list yesterday. The rude word began with f, was followed by the 5th vowel, then two different consonants sounding the same, and finally -in (without g). To by-pass Wayne's filter I have replaced the rude word with ff. Like Rob, I hope no-one will be offended by its exceptional use here.] -o-O-o- While we are on the subject of the Balcarres MS, I thought I would entertain you all with a tale from present day Scotland, and what it is like to play Scottish lute music here. I recently played a gig at Methil Community Centre. Methil is the coal village surrounding Wemyss Castle, which is still occupied by the Wemyss family. The Wemyss family owned the mines before they were nationalised. I once phoned the head of the family and told them of their ancestor's lute manuscript - which, incredibly, they did not know about - and asked if I could come to the castle and play the music to the family. I was told that they were 'not the slightest bit interested' ! This should have warned of what was to come... The coal industry has left Methil, and the village has suffered high unemployment and its attendant miseries. It is a very rough neighbourhood indeed. The Wemyss family still run a feudal society, with the local council paying feu duty the family. They own all the land around. They are not at all liked by the miners families, in fact it is fair to say that they are hated - not too strong a word in this context. Along comes Rob MacKillop, financed by 'Arts in Fife', a government institution, to play Scottish lute music, mainly from Fife - Balcarres and Wemyss... Luckily I don't play from a printed program, preferring instead to play it by ear and announce pieces as I feel like playing them. Over the years I have built up a reservoir of Scottish lute and 'guittar' pieces to choose from. So it came as a great surprise to audience (which was in single figures) to hear me announce music from the Wemyss manuscript. There was a rumble of discontent as I related the story about young Margaret Wemyss who wrote the manuscript down between the ages of 11 and 18. Suddenly one man stood up and shouted 'If you play any ff music by they bastards, I'll kick your ff head in!', which kind of stopped me in my tracks! Well I'm six foot three and come from a rough, poor neighborhood myself, so I replied 'If you don't sit down and shut up, I'll kick your ff head in!', which kind of stopped him in his tracks. The music was heard in total silence, followed by no applause. There is no such thing as early music here, music from another time and, usually, place. This stuff is as alive as it ever was. I don't think I will be invited back... (Please don't start a flame war about the swear words). Rob -- Rob MacKillopHomepage: http://www.sol.co.uk/r/rennimackillop 11 Joppa Terrace Edinburgh EH15 2HY Scotland -o-O-o- I just hope we don't have to wait another five years before we get another. :-) All the best, Stewart. - Original Message - From: Red Blues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:05 PM Subject: A Wemyss Tale Just thought I'd pop by to donate the following: A Wemyss Tale by Rob MacKillop Some of you will recall my 'Gig From Hell' experience of playing music from the Wemyss manuscript to local louts near the Wemyss Estate. Last night I had another fraught, yet amusing, experience - this time from the other side of the great divide: I performed inside Wemyss Castle itself. About five years ago I contacted the Estate with the idea of performing music from the Wemyss ms in the environment it was compiled in, only to be told, quite incredulously, that 'we are not interested'. Last night I entered from the back door, as it were. The Architectural Historian for Dundee University, Dr Charles McKean, had organised an international symposium for architectural historians from Spain, Italy, France, The Netherlands and England - about twenty-five academics in total. Over five days they visited a number of important landmarks all over Scotland. Last night they landed for dinner (after a brief trip to the nearby Balcarres House) in Wemyss Castle, and I was invited to perform. Now, I have always known, deep in the core of my being, that I
Re: Theorboed guitar
Hi all, Here is a little musical pilgrimage for two equal lutes: http://www.cbsr.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/BellsOfWalsingham.mid I am not sure I like it myself, but unlike some of my previous productions this one is definitely humanly playable... Best heard with Timidity, feedback welcome, Alain
Re: hip
Catchning up. James A Stimson wrote: But how about hearing a Bach Cantata sung by schoolboys and accompanied by mediocre local instrumentalists, as some were probably performed originally, much to Bach's dismay. Is there evidence of Bach's dismay at the performances of his cantatas? HP
Re: hip
Dear Howard and All: There's a letter from Bach to the Leipzig city council mentioning the shortcomings of the forces at hand and requesting additional resources. A good source for this subject is a recent book entitled The True Life of J.S. Bach by Klaus Eidam. Yours, Jim Howard Posner [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: cast.netcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: hip 09/08/2004 08:49 PM Catchning up. James A Stimson wrote: But how about hearing a Bach Cantata sung by schoolboys and accompanied by mediocre local instrumentalists, as some were probably performed originally, much to Bach's dismay. Is there evidence of Bach's dismay at the performances of his cantatas? HP
Re: Brown Bess
OK, I give up on that one. I was merely tossing out a suggestion, given that no time frame was offered. Mea Culpa, it was earlier. But I wonder if cows were called Bessie back then. Now for further speculations, I assume we are open to possibilities. It is reasonably documented that the WWI great gun, the Big Bertha, came from the name of a Krupp daughter. Reasonable, but not sure. So who knows where Brown Bess came from, let the speculations begin. Best, Jon PS, it is well known in NYC that Staten Island was named by a Dutch lookout on Henry Hudson's ship who said is dat an Island? Despite the Staten Island by Tierra del Fuego also named by the Dutch after the Stadt. But it is also well known in NYC that Staten Island is a part of New Jersey, despite the boundaries of the States. Best, Jon
