[LUTE] Re: Single versus triple roses

2014-11-29 Thread Herbert Ward
 But I invite all you proper physicists out there to explain why!

I have a PhD in experimental physics.

The term resonant frequency is a bit complicated.

A string has a resonant frequency (its pitch).
But a string's resonant frequency is obviously different from
a lute's resonant frequency.  For when I tap my lute, it does not
ring at a specific pitch like (F# or Bb or 413.7 Hz).

A lute's resonant frequency is very broad (I guess several octaves).
A string's resonant frequency is very narrow (I guess 0.5 Hz).

As the math works out:
  lute   haves a broad resonant frequency  = short ring time
  string haves a narrow resonant frequency = long ring time

The physical difference is how much damping there here.
You can google damped harmonic oscillater for more info.

Many factors apply to both lutes and strings:
 1. lighter = higher pitch
 2. stiffer = higher pitch
 3. heavier = lower pitch
 4. looser = lower pitch

As to why a smaller rosette makes a lower pitch, I'm not sure.  It
might be simply because the is more mass in the soundboard  (#3 above).
Or it might have be related to how wooodwind sound holes work.  Or maybe
both.  An experiment to resolve the question would, I'm afraid, involve
the destruction/degradation of the soundboard on a good lute.



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[LUTE] Help for installation of geared pegs.

2014-11-29 Thread Herbert Ward

I'm considering installation of geared pegs on my lute.

The website (http://www.pegheds.com) says that any
qualified repair person can do the installation.  But
that is probably for violins, cellos, etc.

Would a violin repair person be able to do the installation?
Are there fundamental differences between a violin pegbox
and a lute pegbox?

Would a cello repair person be better than a violin repair
person?

Of my 13 pegs, 10 wind internally to the pegbox, and 3
wind externally.  My understanding is that the external
pegs require special attention.  So I will, at first, 
install only 10 geared pegs.



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[LUTE] Re: Single versus triple roses

2014-11-29 Thread Herbert Ward
As an exercise, I pose this question.  A cymbal has no definite
pitch, but it rings for a long time.  So it does not follow the 
rules below.  Why?


On Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Herbert Ward wrote:

 But I invite all you proper physicists out there to explain why!

 I have a PhD in experimental physics.

 The term resonant frequency is a bit complicated.

 A string has a resonant frequency (its pitch).
 But a string's resonant frequency is obviously different from
 a lute's resonant frequency.  For when I tap my lute, it does not
 ring at a specific pitch like (F# or Bb or 413.7 Hz).

 A lute's resonant frequency is very broad (I guess several octaves).
 A string's resonant frequency is very narrow (I guess 0.5 Hz).

 As the math works out:
  lute   haves a broad resonant frequency  = short ring time
  string haves a narrow resonant frequency = long ring time

 The physical difference is how much damping there here.
 You can google damped harmonic oscillater for more info.

 Many factors apply to both lutes and strings:
 1. lighter = higher pitch
 2. stiffer = higher pitch
 3. heavier = lower pitch
 4. looser = lower pitch

 As to why a smaller rosette makes a lower pitch, I'm not sure.  It
 might be simply because the is more mass in the soundboard  (#3 above).
 Or it might have be related to how wooodwind sound holes work.  Or maybe
 both.  An experiment to resolve the question would, I'm afraid, involve
 the destruction/degradation of the soundboard on a good lute.



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[LUTE] Crochet hooks.

2014-11-29 Thread Herbert Ward

The last time I changed strings, I had a crochet 
hook.  I found it useful in manipulating the strings 
in the tight confines of the pegbox.

If you would like to try it, I would suggest
size 1.8 mm.  And I would suggest avoiding
the cheaper hooks, as the working end is sometimes
ill-formed due to sloppy machining or casting.



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[LUTE] Re: Crochet hooks.

2014-11-29 Thread Sean Smith

I found a little hook tool for electronics at Harbor Freight Tools. A couple of 
bucks and it, too, is very helpful.

How did your experiments go at getting the string to slide easily over the nut?

Sean


On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Herbert Ward wrote:


The last time I changed strings, I had a crochet 
hook.  I found it useful in manipulating the strings 
in the tight confines of the pegbox.

If you would like to try it, I would suggest
size 1.8 mm.  And I would suggest avoiding
the cheaper hooks, as the working end is sometimes
ill-formed due to sloppy machining or casting.



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[LUTE] Saturday morning quotes - Advent and Victoria

2014-11-29 Thread Ron Andrico
   We have posted our quotation for today - a line or two from Victoria.
   [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-159
   Ron  Donna

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References

   1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-159


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[LUTE] Re: Single versus triple roses

2014-11-29 Thread wayne lute
Herbert -

I think that a string has many resonant narrow frequencies, all musically 
related to each 
other.  A cymbal has many narrow resonant frequencies, all *not* musically 
related
to each other.  So our ears do not add them up into one musical note.
But the cymbal does resonate.

 Wayne


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 From: Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu 
 mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Single versus triple roses
 
 As an exercise, I pose this question.  A cymbal has no definite
 pitch, but it rings for a long time.  So it does not follow the 
 rules below.  Why?
 
 
 On Sat, 29 Nov 2014, Herbert Ward wrote:
 
 But I invite all you proper physicists out there to explain why!
 
 I have a PhD in experimental physics.
 
 The term resonant frequency is a bit complicated.
 
 A string has a resonant frequency (its pitch).
 But a string's resonant frequency is obviously different from
 a lute's resonant frequency.  For when I tap my lute, it does not
 ring at a specific pitch like (F# or Bb or 413.7 Hz).
 
 A lute's resonant frequency is very broad (I guess several octaves).
 A string's resonant frequency is very narrow (I guess 0.5 Hz).
 
 As the math works out:
 lute   haves a broad resonant frequency  = short ring time
 string haves a narrow resonant frequency = long ring time
 
 The physical difference is how much damping there here.
 You can google damped harmonic oscillater for more info.
 
 Many factors apply to both lutes and strings:
1. lighter = higher pitch
2. stiffer = higher pitch
3. heavier = lower pitch
4. looser = lower pitch
 
 As to why a smaller rosette makes a lower pitch, I'm not sure.  It
 might be simply because the is more mass in the soundboard  (#3 above).
 Or it might have be related to how wooodwind sound holes work.  Or maybe
 both.  An experiment to resolve the question would, I'm afraid, involve
 the destruction/degradation of the soundboard on a good lute.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: A.O. Sychra: 2 quadrilles for seven-string guitar

2014-11-29 Thread Ed Durbrow
Delightful salon music.

On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:47 AM, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 The seven-string Russian guitar in G is a lovely instrument but the string 
 spacing is very close making it rather difficult to play. Modern made 
 seven-string guitars in Russia seem to be the same as older ones in this 
 respect.
 
 Here are two quadrilles from a set of five (plus a waltz) by A. O. Sychra: 
 quadrilles 4 and 5. These quadrilles are like little rondos.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNGukRKWRk
 
 
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[LUTE] Fronimo corrected and reworked Lute Intabulations with better layouts -19

2014-11-29 Thread Anton Höger
Hi,

Here is the list of new lute intabulations, or corrected and reworked 
intabulations in Fronimo, with better layouts on IMSLP.






Cavazzoni, Girolamo Fantasie 23 (Musicque de Joye) (2 Lutes Unisono and 
Secundam)   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasie_Vigesimus_Tertius_(Cavazzoni,_Girolamo)

Schmid, Bernhard I  Passomezo Comun III Tr; lute
http://imslp.org/wiki/Passomezo_Comun_III_(Schmid_I,_Bernhard)#IMSLP352074

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Canzon Vigesimanona a8  (4 Lutes-Sec)   a,a,g,g x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Canzon_Vigesimanona_à_8_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo)#IMSLP352329
(This was a lot of hard work!)

Cabanilles, Juan Bautista José  Tiento lleno de 1° tono M386 No.5  (4lutes 
d’,a,g,D)x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Tiento_No.5_(Cabanilles,_Juan)#IMSLP352555

Jenkins, John   Fantasia 1 VdGS# 1   (4lutes d’,a,g,D)  
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasias_for_4_Viols_and_Organ_(Jenkins,_John)
Jenkins, John   Fantasia 2 VdGS# 2  (4lutes d’,a,g,D)   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasias_for_4_Viols_and_Organ_(Jenkins,_John)
Jenkins, John   Fantasia 3 VdGS# 3  (4lutes d’,a,g,D)   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasias_for_4_Viols_and_Organ_(Jenkins,_John)
Jenkins, John   Fantasia 4 VdGS# 4  (4lutes d’,a,g,D)   x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasias_for_4_Viols_and_Organ_(Jenkins,_John)
Jenkins, John   Fantasia 5 VdGS# 5  (4lutes d’,a,g,D)   x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasias_for_4_Viols_and_Organ_(Jenkins,_John)
Jenkins, John   Fantasia 6 VdGS# 6  (4lutes d’,a,g,D)   x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasias_for_4_Viols_and_Organ_(Jenkins,_John)

Aguilera de Heredia, Sebastian  Tiento de Batalla 8-tonoa,a,g,g x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Tiento_de_Batalla_8°_tono_por_delasolre,_S.20_(Aguilera_de_Heredia,_Sebastián)#IMSLP352781



Modena, Julius de   Fantasie 22 (Musicque de Joye)  a,a,g,g x   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasie,_MJ_22_(Segni,_Giulio)#IMSLP353541

Gabrieli, AndreaDunque baciar (Prima stanza)
g,g,g   
http://imslp.org/wiki/Dunque_baciar_sì_belle_e_dolce_labbia_(Gabrieli,_Andrea)






















Anton

http://lute-ensemble-tabulatures.npage.de/
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