[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Many thanks for your years of dedicated service. I hope you have great enjoyment and many healthy years ahead of you. I have been enjoying my retirement so I hope you enjoy yours too. Best to you. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. On Aug 22, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Wayne <[1]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=0ux rE8Vq2AVRZFbT6GBacn1JSGB4irdk3Pk_da3MtFQ^yoF5iuZGdSkaoERhVfMTarb1wu24 O0N33LxH6LafA= References 1. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=0uxrE8Vq2AVRZFbT6GBacn1JSGB4irdk3Pk_da3MtFQ^yoF5iuZGdSkaoERhVfMTarb1wu24O0N33LxH6LafA=
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Hi Cathy, I agree that volunteers are key to making LSA work. Let me do some thinking and create an outline of what I think needs done. I will communicate with Wayne on it as well since it is all his legacy. Regards David From: LSA President Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 1:52 PM To: David Smith Cc: Nancy Carlin ; lute net Subject: Re: [LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon Hi David, We very much appreciate your interest, and your knowledge base. I second your conclusion that this should be taken up by the LSA as opposed to an individual. However, the LSA relies heavily on individuals who are willing and have the time to serve the wider lute community by applying a skill set they already have to needs the LSA has. If you are open to being involved in the LSA in this way, do stay in the conversation! This isn't a job description just yet. It's guidance we might need at the moment, I would think. Regards, Cathy Catherine Liddell President/Chairman of the Board [uc?id9TJhsqVKmGMNWhuR19WWXJYQU0export=download] [1]www.lutesocietyofamerica.org On Aug 23, 2020, at 12:12 PM, David Smith <[2]d...@dolcesfogato.com> wrote: Nancy, I want to strongly encourage the direction you are taking with LSA taking over responsibility for continuing Wayne's work. I run a number of sites for non-profits and have run [3]eda.org for the EDA industry (until we shut it down). It is really important for the work to be an organizations instead of an individual. That helps to ensure continuity and makes it easier to find. I have strongly considered offering to take over the mailing list, tab software archives, mailing archives, lutes for sale, etc... But, I have not done so since I did not want it to be an individual effort. Wayne, thank you so much for all that you have done. It has been of immense help over the years to so many people. A great testimony to your love and dedication to the lute and its community. Regards David Smith -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Nancy Carlin Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:33 AM Cc: lute net <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; LSA President <[7]lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com> Subject: [LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [9]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 [10]www.groundsanddivisions.info [11]www.nancycarlinassociates.com References 1. http://www.lutesocietyofamerica.org/ 2. mailto:d...@dolcesfogato.com 3. http://eda.org/ 4. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. mailto:lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/ 10. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 11. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
In Mudarra's third book of Tres Libros there are a couple of pieces where he picks out the vocal line with apostrophes in the tablature. Could the Eysert red notes be similar in intent? (Would the player be singing, or might the singer be a tab reader?) Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 6:04 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert Maybe they are used to show where the intabulation does not follow the original vocal model? The chords in those parts seem to differ from the harmony of the original pieces. Sarge Gerbode kirjoitti 23.8.2020 klo 20.22: > After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I > realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were > faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am > wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do > red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? > > --Sarge To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
I looked at the pitch notation of Jubilate Deo. I think you are right. Those red ciphers are used in same places where the second choir appears. Arthur Ness kirjoitti 24.8.2020 klo 1.12: Those canzonas, etc. by Gabrieli et al. are often for two choirs. So the colors might differentiate the two You could check by looking at the pieces in their original pitch notation (many modern editions; IMSLP???). Would the player vary his touch to differentiae the two? Methinks you should indicate the red ciphers in your transcription. >rr< [>r = red ciphers] Someone (Petrucci??? or Spanish?) published tablatures with single line in red. That was for the voice to sing to the lute. Both reading from the tablature! -Original Message- From: Sarge Gerbode Cc: lute net ; LSA President Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 1:22 pm Subject: [LUTE] Red notes in Eysert After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? --Sarge To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
Those canzonas, etc. by Gabrieli et al. are often for two choirs. So the colors might differentiate the two You could check by looking at the pieces in their original pitch notation (many modern editions; IMSLP???). Would the player vary his touch to differentiae the two? Methinks you should indicate the red ciphers in your transcription. >rr< [>r = red ciphers] Someone (Petrucci??? or Spanish?) published tablatures with single line in red. That was for the voice to sing to the lute. Both reading from the tablature! -Original Message- From: Sarge Gerbode Cc: lute net ; LSA President Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 1:22 pm Subject: [LUTE] Red notes in Eysert After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? --Sarge On 8/23/2020 9:12 AM, David Smith wrote: > Nancy, > I want to strongly encourage the direction you are taking with LSA taking over responsibility for continuing Wayne's work. I run a number of sites for non-profits and have run eda.org for the EDA industry (until we shut it down). It is really important for the work to be an organizations instead of an individual. That helps to ensure continuity and makes it easier to find. > > I have strongly considered offering to take over the mailing list, tab software archives, mailing archives, lutes for sale, etc... But, I have not done so since I did not want it to be an individual effort. > > Wayne, thank you so much for all that you have done. It has been of immense help over the years to so many people. A great testimony to your love and dedication to the lute and its community. > > Regards > David Smith > > -Original Message- > From: [1]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Nancy Carlin > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:33 AM > Cc: lute net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; LSA President <[4]lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon > > I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. > Nancy >>> I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has >>> been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth >>> College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut >>> down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. >>> So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will >>> also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes >>> For Sale" web page. >>> >>> If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest >>> that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is >>> still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't >>> recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day >>> yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > Nancy Carlin > Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA [6]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org > > PO Box 6499 > Concord, CA 94524 > USA > 925 / 686-5800 > > www.groundsanddivisions.info > www.nancycarlinassociates.com > > > > -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:lutesocietyamericapresid...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/
[LUTE] Re: Red notes in Eysert
Maybe they are used to show where the intabulation does not follow the original vocal model? The chords in those parts seem to differ from the harmony of the original pieces. Sarge Gerbode kirjoitti 23.8.2020 klo 20.22: After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? --Sarge To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon
Hello Wayne, Thank you very much indeed for the lute list. It has been extremely beneficial to a great many people. It has helped us learn all sorts of things about the lute and its music, share our knowledge with others, and make friends with people all over the world. You have created something valuable, which I hope will continue somehow after you have left Dartmouth College. Good luck in your forthcoming retirement. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: Wayne Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 8:04 PM To: lute net Subject: [LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
I agree with David and Nancy that it would be great for LSA to take over the lute list and lutes for sale. This would be an very important role and need that that LSA can fulfill. I strongly support it. I have no expertise but am willing to help. Wayne, thank you very much for all that you have done for the last few decades to support and advance the playing and enjoyment of lutes. I read the list and lutes for sale everyday. Best Regards, John On 8/23/20, 11:35 AM, "Nancy Carlin" wrote: I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy > >> >>I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has >> been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth >> College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut >> down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. >> So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will >> also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes >> For Sale" web page. >> >>If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest >> that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is >> still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t >> recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day >> yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Red notes in Eysert
After putting out the first 50 pages of the Eysert Lute Book, I realize that I have ignored the red notes, figuring that they were faded ink or a meaningless idiosyncrasy of the scribe. But now I am wondering if they do, in fact, actually mean something. fronimo can do red notes, so... Anybody have any thoughts about this? --Sarge On 8/23/2020 9:12 AM, David Smith wrote: Nancy, I want to strongly encourage the direction you are taking with LSA taking over responsibility for continuing Wayne's work. I run a number of sites for non-profits and have run eda.org for the EDA industry (until we shut it down). It is really important for the work to be an organizations instead of an individual. That helps to ensure continuity and makes it easier to find. I have strongly considered offering to take over the mailing list, tab software archives, mailing archives, lutes for sale, etc... But, I have not done so since I did not want it to be an individual effort. Wayne, thank you so much for all that you have done. It has been of immense help over the years to so many people. A great testimony to your love and dedication to the lute and its community. Regards David Smith -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Nancy Carlin Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:33 AM Cc: lute net ; LSA President Subject: [LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Dear Wayne, Although I have been mostly a "lurker" on the lute list, I have read it and been on it almost since the beginning. It has inspired me, and kept me playing, at least sporadically. Thank you for everything you have done to promote the lute and keep communication going among lute players and lute lovers! Enjoy your retirement, and hopefully someone else will step up to run the list. Very Best Wishes, Marcia Martin -Original Message- From: Wayne To: lute net Sent: Sat, Aug 22, 2020 12:04 pm Subject: [LUTE] The lute list is retiring soon Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Nancy, I want to strongly encourage the direction you are taking with LSA taking over responsibility for continuing Wayne's work. I run a number of sites for non-profits and have run eda.org for the EDA industry (until we shut it down). It is really important for the work to be an organizations instead of an individual. That helps to ensure continuity and makes it easier to find. I have strongly considered offering to take over the mailing list, tab software archives, mailing archives, lutes for sale, etc... But, I have not done so since I did not want it to be an individual effort. Wayne, thank you so much for all that you have done. It has been of immense help over the years to so many people. A great testimony to your love and dedication to the lute and its community. Regards David Smith -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Nancy Carlin Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 8:33 AM Cc: lute net ; LSA President Subject: [LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy > >> >> I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has >> been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth >> College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut >> down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. >> So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will >> also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes >> For Sale" web page. >> >> If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest >> that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is >> still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t >> recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day >> yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Hi Sarge - how are the fires up where you live? Did you have to evacuate this time? Nancy Sounds great, Nancy! --Sarge On 8/23/2020 8:33 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Sounds great, Nancy! --Sarge On 8/23/2020 8:33 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
A reeally *BIG* thank you also from my side, Wayne. When in 2005 I decided that it was about time to get back to my lute "hopes" (I was 39 and had seriously learned guitar with a Narciso Yepes student20 years earlier), the list has been a constant source of informations and the chance to meet a constantly growing number of lute friends. Now, 15 years later I've finished my MA in Baroque lute at the Conservatorio of Pavia and dare say it wouldn't have even started without such a hall to ask (sometimes very stupid) questions. Therefore, THANK YOU AGAIN, Wayne :-) All the best, Luca ââ Luca Manassero | twitter: @mluca | skype: luca_manassero |[1]Lute Blog -- References 1. http://www.liuti.blog/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
I think the LSA might be able to take over the lutes for sale and lute list from Wayne. I am checking with people now and hopefully we can get this organized ASAP. We will have a new LSA website this fall - it has taken quite a while to get our site re-organized to make it more useful, The new site will include things like our Facsimiles Collection in a more easily searchable format, as well as archives of all old LSA publications. Nancy I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
I echo Roman's sentiment. This has been such a special space for me, where I really felt like part of the lute community, even when I'm all thumbs and meander over to jazz on the knotted git frets. I will be interested to see where our list migrates. All the best to you, Wayne! All hail Wayne! [kraar+logo.png] Lynda Kraar, President Lynda Kraar & Associates U.S. Cell: 551-486-3772 Google Voice: [1]985-205-9632 (985-20-LYNDA) Skype: lyndakraar On Aug 23, 2020, at 8:18 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: Big thanks from me, Wayne! My music career is owed in large part to this list! It will figure prominently in my memoir! RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. On Aug 22, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Wayne wrote: Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. tel:985-205-9632
[LUTE] Re: TAB lute music archives
Hi Wayne that's good to hear! - Luke On 23-Aug-2020 13:16, Wayne wrote: Hi Luke - The TAB lute music archives at https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi will also be closing down, though possibly a little later than the mail list. I am still negotiating with the department about the timing of things and exactly what will close when. I may try to copy the lute music to my GitHub site where the TAB software is. I will be making more announcements as things settle down and questions get answered. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- __ Orlando Lutes http://www.orlando-lutes.com
[LUTE] TAB lute music archives
Hi Luke - The TAB lute music archives at https://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi will also be closing down, though possibly a little later than the mail list. I am still negotiating with the department about the timing of things and exactly what will close when. I may try to copy the lute music to my GitHub site where the TAB software is. I will be making more announcements as things settle down and questions get answered. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Big thanks from me, Wayne! My music career is owed in large part to this list! It will figure prominently in my memoir! RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. > On Aug 22, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Wayne wrote: > > Hi - > > I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been > interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and > when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes > the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from > running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my > lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. > > If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they > announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My > list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone > else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an > announcement when my list actually closes. > > Wayne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Keeping the lutes for sale page/lute forum going
Oh no! Not Facebook! I love getting my lute-info fix without the clutter and walls and likes, etc. Leonard -Original Message- From: Jay F. To: lute net Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 2:56 am Subject: [LUTE] Keeping the lutes for sale page/lute forum going Hi everyone, First, thanks to Wayne for creating this forum and maintaining it for such a long time - chapeau. It seems appropriate that we collectively try to find a new home ground for sharing information and listing our lutes for sale. One simple and straight forward solution might be just to set up a closed, invite only group on Facebook. It would allow us to kill those two birds with one stone (sharing information/listing lutes for sale). I am happy to set up the group and share a link for people to join if you're all interested? The only issue is getting a critical mass of people to join. Another solution is to... try to find another solution like a more traditional webpage forum. I don't have expertise in this area however. Thoughts? Cheers, Jay -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Thanks Wayne for all your energies and efforts in running these sites. It is really appreciated! On a personal note, I'd like to express a particular appreciation for the TAB software which sits within, and dovetails to my own open source lute tabulature software LuteScribe. TAB source is in github, so should remain accessible for many years to come. Possibly the email list could be migrated to a Google group (free) - they are quite easy to set up, but do need an admin to occasionally free up a blocked message and to admit new users (or it could be auto-join). As previously mentioned, there is an archive of the current list already here: https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/ To my mind the pages about TAB and the downloadable music archive associated with it is of great importance and should also be preserved. Best Wishes - Luke On 22-Aug-2020 20:04, Wayne wrote: Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- __ Orlando Lutes http://www.orlando-lutes.com
[LUTE] Re: a suggestion - groups.io
Dear Wayne, I'm on the list for some 20 years and got lots of tips, information and answers on quite a number of questions. Thank jou for all the work you did for the lute community. Have a good time! Your suggestion for [1]groups.io seams a good one to me. Looking forward to new developments! All the best, Wim Loos, The Netherlands. Op zo 23 aug. 2020 12:41 schreef Wayne <[2]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>: Hi Lute people - I want to suggest [3]groups.io as a new home for the lute list. There is a free version and a $20.00 per month version that allows more control over members. I am on some lists that use it and it works very nicely. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://groups.io/ 2. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://groups.io/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] a suggestion - groups.io
Hi Lute people - I want to suggest groups.io as a new home for the lute list. There is a free version and a $20.00 per month version that allows more control over members. I am on some lists that use it and it works very nicely. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Dear Wayne, Happy retirement! This list has ever since been an integral part of my lute life. Thank you very much! Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Am 22.08.2020 um 21:04 schrieb Wayne: Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. I am sure I joined the list in 1995 or 1996. Your are getting old:) I am probably one of the oldest members on the list - regarding membership, not my age :) Arto must have joined before me, Caroline Usher used to be very active and the older members will remember those wonderful flame wars between Arthur Ness and a certain person whose name I will not tell you - he has died 1 or 2 years ago. I think he was the only member that was expelled from the list. 20 years ago the was much higher traffic but loosing the list would be horrible. By the way, Wayne, what will become of the updates for tab. Regarding the mailing list we might have a simple free solution. The newsgroup rec.music.early still exists and there is almost no traffic. There are free newsgroup servers with mild limitations. For example nntp.aioe.org does not allow more than 40 [forty] postings per day from the same IP address. This should be enough for everybody - even Tristan :) I have posted a test message a few minutes ago and it appeared a few seconds later. Configuring a mail client for newsgroups is very easy and takes a few seconds. Of course, non-lute readers of rec.music.early might complain. However, the last postings were: Download Solution Manual Fundamentals of Gas Dynamics (apparently the wrong newsgroup) 4 postings "Francesco da Milano: Ness 28 = Chiesa number?" this would fit our list 1 posting regarding recorders. 1 test posting by a certain Rainer Since apparently there are less than 3 [three] postings per month I don't think capturing the list would cause severe problems. For people who have no experience with newsgroups: You do not have to register. They are not monitored (depending on server and list) Attachments are not allowed (at least not on this list) What do the "expert" think? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Keeping the lutes for sale page/lute forum going
Spammers would indeed be something that would need to be managed on Facebook. Daniel's suggestion to use [1]http://lutegroup.ning.com/ is probably a better alternative as a forum - it would be much better to go to a page where topics are logically set out and easy to navigate rather than a bunch of email spam or an unordered list on Facebook. Facebook would be a better place for listing things for sale however, insofar as it would be more accessible to more people - I'd never heard of the Ning page before Daniel mentioned it. __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2020 5:22 PM To: lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Keeping the lutes for sale page/lute forum going Dear Jay, I think the problem with Facebook (and similar) is the usual one of these social media led apps and, indeed, of a traditional webpage - security. The advantage of email like the existing Lutelist is that it's largely immune from such machinations. I really don't want to see ads etc scrolling down the page. regards Martyn On Sunday, 23 August 2020, 07:57:39 BST, Jay F. wrote: Hi everyone, First, thanks to Wayne for creating this forum and maintaining it for such a long time - chapeau. It seems appropriate that we collectively try to find a new home ground for sharing information and listing our lutes for sale. One simple and straight forward solution might be just to set up a closed, invite only group on Facebook. It would allow us to kill those two birds with one stone (sharing information/listing lutes for sale). I am happy to set up the group and share a link for people to join if you're all interested? The only issue is getting a critical mass of people to join. Another solution is to... try to find another solution like a more traditional webpage forum. I don't have expertise in this area however. Thoughts? Cheers, Jay -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.c s.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C 389b6f7eb40e431d33c208d847357557%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1 %7C0%7C637337642207560124sdata=XuqY0pMi%2Bmfcoxr0MJOylkxFc5r2D2TCp YgE0q6X%2BTc%3Dreserved=0 -- References 1. [2]https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.c s.dartmouth.edu%2F~wbc%2Flute-admin%2Findex.htmldata=02%7C01%7C%7C 389b6f7eb40e431d33c208d847357557%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1 %7C0%7C637337642207560124sdata=XuqY0pMi%2Bmfcoxr0MJOylkxFc5r2D2TCp YgE0q6X%2BTc%3Dreserved=0 -- References 1. http://lutegroup.ning.com/ 2. https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htmldata=02|01||389b6f7eb40e431d33c208d847357557|84df9e7fe9f640afb435|1|0|637337642207560124sdata=XuqY0pMi+mfcoxr0MJOylkxFc5r2D2TCpYgE0q6X+Tc=reserved=0
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Many thanks, Wayne, for creating this forum and best wishes for your retirement. Like others, I hope some sort of mail group will continue, and perhaps someone can host the archive which contains such a lot of useful information. Best wishes, Martin -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
I must add my heartfelt thanks to you Wayne for all that you have done to keep this list (and presunably the others running all these years. I don't know how we will manage without you. Happy retirement Monica > On 22 August 2020 at 20:04 Wayne wrote: > > > Hi - > > I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been > interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and > when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes > the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from > running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my > lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. > > If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they > announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My > list runs using software that I wrote, and I don’t recommend that someone > else try to use it. I don’t know the last day yet, but I will make an > announcement when my list actually closes. > >Wayne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Dear Wayne, I would also like to chime in and express my gratitude for your generous activity. I learned quite a lot on this list, and as an extra bonus I could also improve my English by reading and writing about topics I love. Thank you and best wishes for your retirement! Stephan Am 22. August 2020 21:04:06 MESZ schrieb Wayne : Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interestin g and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retir e the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail serv ers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they ann ounce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Keeping the lutes for sale page/lute forum going
Dear Jay, I think the problem with Facebook (and similar) is the usual one of these social media led apps and, indeed, of a traditional webpage - security. The advantage of email like the existing Lutelist is that it's largely immune from such machinations. I really don't want to see ads etc scrolling down the page. regards Martyn On Sunday, 23 August 2020, 07:57:39 BST, Jay F. wrote: Hi everyone, First, thanks to Wayne for creating this forum and maintaining it for such a long time - chapeau. It seems appropriate that we collectively try to find a new home ground for sharing information and listing our lutes for sale. One simple and straight forward solution might be just to set up a closed, invite only group on Facebook. It would allow us to kill those two birds with one stone (sharing information/listing lutes for sale). I am happy to set up the group and share a link for people to join if you're all interested? The only issue is getting a critical mass of people to join. Another solution is to... try to find another solution like a more traditional webpage forum. I don't have expertise in this area however. Thoughts? Cheers, Jay -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Keeping the lutes for sale page/lute forum going
Hi everyone, First, thanks to Wayne for creating this forum and maintaining it for such a long time - chapeau. It seems appropriate that we collectively try to find a new home ground for sharing information and listing our lutes for sale. One simple and straight forward solution might be just to set up a closed, invite only group on Facebook. It would allow us to kill those two birds with one stone (sharing information/listing lutes for sale). I am happy to set up the group and share a link for people to join if you're all interested? The only issue is getting a critical mass of people to join. Another solution is to... try to find another solution like a more traditional webpage forum. I don't have expertise in this area however. Thoughts? Cheers, Jay -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Dear Wayne, Sad news indeed - I wonder if one of the national lute societies might host the site? - it is a wonderful facility and it would be a great shame for it to be lost. And, of course, many grateful thanks for your kind service to our fragmented community over the years Martyn On Saturday, 22 August 2020, 20:06:28 BST, Wayne wrote: Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute list is retiring soon
Dear Daniel, It would indeed be very good if you could at least host the archive and thank you for the Ning site - this can be a substitute if the Lute list cannot be saved in its present (or similar) form by some kind person - or persons. regards Martyn On Sunday, 23 August 2020, 00:10:30 BST, Daniel Shoskes wrote: 1) I add to the chorus of thanks and well wishing. I've bought and sold a few instruments on your site. 2) What will be the status of the mail list archive at [1][1]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/ ? This is really a fantastic resource and I go there often to search topics rather than posting them anew. Would it be possible to at least host that archive somewhere? I do own a few domains and sites with spare GB and I could store it if I was shown how. 3) I think it would be ideal if this list could continue and I feel it's complementary to the others out there including Facebook, Reddit and the Ning Lutegroup. If nobody is able to step forward by the end of the month, especially if the technology is too retro, some of the same functionality is available on the Ning site at [2]lutegroup.ning.com both in the forum discussions and the lutes for sale section. The disadvantages that come to mind of the Ning group compared to a mail list include a) need to sign up (although it is free) b) forum messages are not "pushed" into people's mailboxes, they have to come to the site and search them out c) we have had challenges the last couple years with the functionality of the site and parts of it not working, but that has vastly improved the last few months. Their 3.0 version was more expensive but now they are offering it to me at the same price so I might be able to make it more slick. d) because you have to join, you can't just send people to the lutes for sale page without them signing up which they may not want to be bothered to do. Again, with the 3.0 update I may be able to make that individual forum open to non members to read. Advantages of the Ning site: a) you can include attachments including pictures and embed videos from youtube and vimeo b) there is moderation, and the few spammers that sneak through the challenge questions get their accounts and all their posts deleted with one click In any case, I started by saying it would be great to keep the mail list and lute for sale pages open but if that's not possible there are fall back positions. Danny On Aug 22, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Wayne <[3][2]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: Hi - I have been running this lute mail list since 1998, and it has been interesting and fun. Now I am retiring from my job at Dartmouth College, and when I retire the computers that I have run will be shut down. This includes the mail servers that run the lute mail list. So it is time to retire from running the lute mail list too. I will also be closing my lute web page, my lute tablature page, and "Lutes For Sale" web page. If someone wants to take up running the lute mail list I suggest that they announce it on my list in the next month, while my list is still running. My list runs using software that I wrote, and I don't recommend that someone else try to use it. I don't know the last day yet, but I will make an announcement when my list actually closes. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at [4][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [4]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/ 2. [5]http://lutegroup.ning.com/ 3. mailto:[6]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/ 2. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/ 5. http://lutegroup.ning.com/ 6. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
