[LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine
Unfortunately, the problem you're describing is caused by latency over the internet. So, teleconferencing apps like FaceTime, Zoom, and Skype won't allow you to play with other musicians. It will definitely sound like cacophony as you described. Here's a good article describing the problem: [1]https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/online-band-practices-possible/. There are some workarounds for this in the form of certain apps and devices. The problem is that if the app or device is intended to minimize latency and the further you are away from the other musicians and the slower your connection speeds, the more latency you will experience. But it may be worth a try in these difficult times to connect with others to play duets and beyond. Here are the apps listed in the article above: [2]https://www.jamkazam.com (a separate desktop device is recommended) [3]https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ (this app doesn't appear to deal directly with latency) [4]http://llcon.sourceforge.net (this app appears to upload individual musician tracks, mixes them and then downloads the mixed result as a single track to each collaborator) [5]https://www.facebook.com/eJamming-368668856036/ (their website doesn't seem to be active) I have only had limited experience with JamKazam without the recommended device trying to play duets with a friend in our town and I quickly gave up on it. My internet speed is relatively slow so without the device I was probably hindered in my ability to use the app. It would be a good idea to search on the internet to see how successful these apps are before spending much time with any one of them. Hope this helps, Bill Eisele __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of howard posner Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 4:30 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine > On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote: > > Each one with his/her phone. > > Il 23/03/2020 16:11, Dr. Henner Kahlert ha scritto: >> Wonderful! With which device did you manage to play and record this? Could you share how you did it? Two days ago I tried to lead our small congregation in a virtual service using Zoom, and it was impossible to synchronize it. Even if our mouths were moving in unison, it was cacophony. To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/online-band-practices-possible/ 2. https://www.jamkazam.com/ 3. https://www.cockos.com/ninjam/ 4. http://llcon.sourceforge.net/ 5. https://www.facebook.com/eJamming-368668856036/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Plucking Room
One word: e-bow. > On Jun 30, 2019, at 4:26 PM, Sean Smith wrote: > > There's: > Szz [not worthy of the word] > Sstain [not quite enough] > Sustain [just right] > Sustaaayayayayannn [too much] > Sustain-Z [electric guitar]. > My understanding is that it's a spectrum and we're a picky, fickle > bunch. > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:57 PM Roman Turovsky > <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > aren't lutenists switching to gut out of sustainophobia? > RT >> On 6/30/2019 3:46 PM, Matthew Daillie wrote: >> I find that sustain is a major factor in the choice of a lute. > Obviously we are not talking grand piano sustain, but an instrument > with good sustain makes all the difference, especially for playing > polyphonic music. >> Clearly appropriate acoustics can make or break a lute, (however > good the instrument and the player) but in the right environment the > sound can also carry astonishingly well. >> >> There might actually be a correlation between sustain and the > amount of dishing. A well respected lutenist, with vast experience > of teaching internationally, observed that lutes with inordinate > dishing (a practice which is apparently common in some parts), and > so with the strings at a significant height above the soundboard, > frequently lacked sustain. >> >> Best, >> Matthew >> >> >> >>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 19:51, Ron Andrico <[2]praelu...@hotmail.com> > wrote: >>> Sustain does not and probably never did factor into the plucked > string sound of the lute. The sound is immediate and rich in > overtones, but ephemeral and does not travel well. >>>RA >>> > __ >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Paul O'Dette's M. Neusidler CD
Steve, If you don't mind the mp3 sound quality the album is available on iTunes as a download for $9.99. Harmonia Mundi has re-released a handful of Paul's CDs with generic album covers, but I wouldn't count on this one being re-released anytime soon, if at all. Best regards, Bill Eisele Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Steve Acklin <[1]sack...@comcast.net> wrote: Hello. I went to purchase the above CD and find that it's out of print, and not a remainder in sight. Seems like just a couple of years ago I was reading the reviews... So that came and went pretty fast, especially for such a great CD, on an established label. Streaming on Spotify is a possibility, but does anyone here think that this might be re-released at all, or is the only choice paying $49 for a copy on Amazon? Hard to see that happening. What a bummer that things like this come and go so quickly, I certainly won't wait next time. Steve A. To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. mailto:sack...@comcast.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Theorbo pieces
Dear Bruno, Although I do not play the theorbo, I am aware of a theorbo tutor by Francesca Torelli, aptly named A Tutor for the Theorbo. It is published by Ut Orpheus Edizioni: [1]http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?cPath5products_id50. It is available in English and Italian. From what I can tell, it contains basic exercises and musical pieces. Hope this helps. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:21:33 -0300 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: bruno.l...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Theorbo pieces Dear lute folks, can anyone point out any publication on the market afor those who are starting on the theorboa? I mean simple and progressive pieces for those with no experience at all. Everything I have is for intermediate and advanced players (Kapsperger, Piccinini, Hurel, Pitoni, VisA(c)e, etc...). I never bothered about this until some students started to come in. -- Bruno Figueiredo A Pesquisador autA'nomo da prA!tica e interpretaAS:A-L-o historicamente informada no alaA-ode e teorba. Doutor em PrA!ticas InterpretativasA pela Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?cPath5products_id50
[LUTE] Re: Theorbo pieces
Thanks for the additional information and correction, Anthony! Bill __ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 20:12:39 +0200 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Theorbo pieces From: anthony.hart1...@gmail.com To: wfeis...@msn.com CC: bruno.l...@gmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu I was dissociated in the Torelli Tutor. It does have a few exercises but as for actual pieces it is a bit lacking. For pieces I found the two volumes of a Easy Theorbo pieces published by Seicento useful. These are not actual theorbo works but lute and baroque guitar transcriptions. Quite nice pieces and playable as a beginner. On Tuesday, June 16, 2015, Bill [1]wfeis...@msn.com wrote: Dear Bruno, Although I do not play the theorbo, I am aware of a theorbo tutor by Francesca Torelli, aptly named A Tutor for the Theorbo. It is published by Ut Orpheus Edizioni: [1][2]http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?cPath5products_id50 . It is available in English and Italian. From what I can tell, it contains basic exercises and musical pieces. Hope this helps. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:21:33 -0300 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: bruno.l...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Theorbo pieces Dear lute folks, can anyone point out any publication on the market afor those who are starting on the theorboa? I mean simple and progressive pieces for those with no experience at all. Everything I have is for intermediate and advanced players (Kapsperger, Piccinini, Hurel, Pitoni, VisA(c)e, etc...). I never bothered about this until some students started to come in. -- Bruno Figueiredo A Pesquisador autA'nomo da prA!tica e interpretaAS:A-L-o historicamente informada no alaA-ode e teorba. Doutor em PrA!ticas InterpretativasA pela Universidade Federal do Estado do Rio de Janeiro. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [4]http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?cPath5products_id50 -- __ Anthony Hart MSc, LLCM,ALCM. Musicologist and Independent Researcher Highrise Court 'B', Apt 2, Tigne' Street, Sliema, SLM3174, MALTA Tel: +356 27014791; Mob: +356 9944 9552. e-mail: [5]resea...@antoninoreggio.com; web: [6]www.monsignor-reggio.com NEW Publications: EDIZIONE ANTONINO REGGIO - [7]www.edizionear.com for information and special offer -- References 1. mailto:wfeis...@msn.com 2. http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?cPath5products_id50 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.utorpheus.com/product_info.php?cPath5products_id50 5. mailto:resea...@antoninoreggio.com 6. http://www.monsignor-reggio.com/ 7. http://www.edizionear.com/
[LUTE] Re: Lute and guitar
Dear Franz, I went back to the classical guitar after many years, but also wanted to continue to play the lute. I grew my nails out, but found that it was too difficult to play the lute with nails from a tone perspective as well as concern about damaging the soundboard. So, I filed my nails back and adopted a system used by my guitar teacher when he breaks a nail. I buy a pack of false glue on-type plastic nails from either the drugstore or beauty supply store and file and polish a set to the preferred shape for the p, i, m, a fingernails and attach them to my real nails when playing guitar using 0.5 inch round permanent glue dots that can be found in stationary supply stores. It helps to wash your hands before attaching them to remove natural skin oils so they won't peel off easily during playing. Tonally, the sound using the plastic nail is, in my opinion, just as good as with the real nail. Also, they won't come off unless you are playing rasgueado with your thumb nail (then just use a piece of first aid tape for the thumb nail). I can tug on the plastic nail and it actually feels like my real nail when it's attached with a fresh glue dot When you're ready to remove them, just rotate them gently away from the real nail. Running your hand under warm water helps to soften the glue dot and remove the plastic nails easily - the glue dot will stay on the back of the plastic nail. Because the plastic nails last basically forever, I find it much easier to play classical guitar with these nails than having to continually shape and polish my real nails. I also never have to worry about breaking a real nail. The glue dots last a couple of weeks before they dry out and need to be replaced. That is easily done by using a large diameter needle (I use something called a bodkin used in fly tying) to skewer the glue dot and rotate it around the needle until it is removed from the back of the fake nail. While not in use, I keep them stored in a seven-day pill box with the lids labeled p, i, m, and a, along with extra nails and glue dots. This system was actually invented by Rico Stover and if you don't want to pull the supplies together individually, everything can be ordered as a package via Rico's web site: www.ricoguitarnails.com. He calls it the Emergency Nail Kit. I don't know Rico, but I believe my teacher got the idea from him. Hope this helps. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:13:56 +0100 To: chriswi...@yahoo.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk Subject: [LUTE] Lute and guitar Dear Christopher, (and dear lute wisdom), I just see that you are playing and teaching the guitar as well as the lute. How do you manage to play both instruments regarding nails (and maybe other problems)? I am juggling between having the nails long when focusing on the guitar, thereby neglecting the lute, having intermediate nails while playing both instruments and short nails while playing the lute and vihuela, thereby now and then playing my guitar with finger tips. I would be interested how other people manage the problem(s) of loving instruments of both types. Best Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute and guitar
Dear All, One thing I forgot to mention. If the plastic nail has too much of an arch in it compared to your natural nail, heat the plastic nail up in a water bath in a microwave for 30 seconds or so, remove it quickly, and push down on it with a fork against a flat surface. It might take a couple of tries, but you will get it into the desired arch without a large gap between your nail and the plastic nail. A small gap will be filled with the glue dot. Best, Bill Eisele Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:36:29 +0900 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute and guitar I don't know if this helps Franz, but it helps me. I'm going to look for Qwick Nail adhesive dots here in Japan. I never heard of such a thing. On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Bill Eisele wrote: Dear Franz, I went back to the classical guitar after many years, but also wanted to continue to play the lute. I grew my nails out, but found that it was too difficult to play the lute with nails from a tone perspective as well as concern about damaging the soundboard. So, I filed my nails back and adopted a system used by my guitar teacher when he breaks a nail. I buy a pack of false glue on-type plastic nails from either the drugstore or beauty supply store and file and polish a set to the preferred shape for the p, i, m, a fingernails and attach them to my real nails when playing guitar using 0.5 inch round permanent glue dots that can be found in stationary supply stores. It helps to wash your hands before attaching them to remove natural skin oils so they won't peel off easily during playing. Tonally, the sound using the plastic nail is, in my opinion, just as good as with the real nail. Also, they won't come off unless you are playing rasgueado with your thumb nail (then just use a piece of first aid tape for the thumb nail). I can tug on the plastic nail and it actually feels like my real nail when it's attached with a fresh glue dot When you're ready to remove them, just rotate them gently away from the real nail. Running your hand under warm water helps to soften the glue dot and remove the plastic nails easily - the glue dot will stay on the back of the plastic nail. Because the plastic nails last basically forever, I find it much easier to play classical guitar with these nails than having to continually shape and polish my real nails. I also never have to worry about breaking a real nail. The glue dots last a couple of weeks before they dry out and need to be replaced. That is easily done by using a large diameter needle (I use something called a bodkin used in fly tying) to skewer the glue dot and rotate it around the needle until it is removed from the back of the fake nail. While not in use, I keep them stored in a seven-day pill box with the lids labeled p, i, m, and a, along with extra nails and glue dots. This system was actually invented by Rico Stover and if you don't want to pull the supplies together individually, everything can be ordered as a package via Rico's web site: www.ricoguitarnails.com. He calls it the Emergency Nail Kit. I don't know Rico, but I believe my teacher got the idea from him. Hope this helps. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:13:56 +0100 To: chriswi...@yahoo.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk Subject: [LUTE] Lute and guitar Dear Christopher, (and dear lute wisdom), I just see that you are playing and teaching the guitar as well as the lute. How do you manage to play both instruments regarding nails (and maybe other problems)? I am juggling between having the nails long when focusing on the guitar, thereby neglecting the lute, having intermediate nails while playing both instruments and short nails while playing the lute and vihuela, thereby now and then playing my guitar with finger tips. I would be interested how other people manage the problem(s) of loving instruments of both types. Best Franz -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp --
[LUTE] Re: extreme theorbo case
John, I have one for a Ren. lute in the case and really like it. Two trips from New Mexico to Vancouver and back as checked baggage with no problems. I would recommend the optional reflective white color instead of the standard black. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:23:07 + To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: johnle...@hotmail.com Subject: [LUTE] extreme theorbo case Dear all, Has anybody got one of these? http://www.casextreme.com/prod_details.php?pid' If so, is it any good? Certainly cheaper than the next few options I can think of, like my IKA case which has begun to show some significant wear including some rather worrying stress fractures (just dropped off at the surfboard shop for repair), and my Kingham cases, which have been reduced to little theorbo-case molecules. All best, John -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Protecting top of instrument
Hello Ned, If you've already gone through the original finish, the best thing to use is Renaissance Wax Polish. I believe it was Kenneth Be, a museum conservator and lutenist, who recommended using this polish for just the sort of thing you're concerned about. I'm also aware of one luthier who applies it to his lutes before turning them over to his clients. You can't really tell that it's there, but it leaves a very thin layer of protection. It obviously won't prevent scratches and gouges to the wood, but will prevent the bare wood from discoloring. You can find some information about it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Wax. It's available for sale through amazon.com and other on line retailers. As far as preventing scratches and gouges to the wood, the Kling-ons that others have recommended are probably the best, but I've tried them and they were always falling off the soundboard. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:01:41 -0500 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Protecting top of instrument Aside from the precaution of keeping one's fingernails trimmed to minimize wear on a lute top, is there anything to do if a top already has substantial wear, to protect against further wear? I'm thinking in terms of something like a clear varnish over the worn area. Has anyone found something that works without negatively effecting the sound? And also doesn't look bad? Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Flying with a lute - CaseXtreme Flight Case
Hello All, I believe I'm the one that Dan refers to below about the link to the guitar case being thrown off a building and the guitar (actually an acoustic, non-solid body guitar) surviving intact. Below is my original post from last August. The name of the company is CaseXtreme and the video may be seen at http://www.casextreme.com/newest_video.html. I believe prices have risen since my original post, but the company now makes a special edition case in heat reflective white which would be better than the standard black. Again, I hope this information is helpful. Bill Eisele Just before the LSA workshop at the Vancouver Early Music Festival I had a custom flight case made for my Kingham lute case by CaseXtreme in San Diego: [1]http://www.casextreme.com/. It's made with some kind of corrugated plastic and uses foam pads as cushioning on the sides and the bottom of the flight case. The Kingham case is held in place against the pads with a strap and there's about an inch of space between the lid of the flight case and the Kingham case. The case has two carrying handles and comes with detachable wheels. All sides of the case are extremely rigid once the lid is closed and you can stand on the top without damaging the case. The cost of the flight case with shipping was about $320. I checked the flight case through from Albuquerque to Vancouver (connection in Denver) and return (connection in San Francisco) with no problems - four separate flights. The lute inside was unscathed. I'm not sure if it will fit through an x-ray machine, but if it does fit, a gate check would probably be the best way to go. I just didn't want to haul it all over the airports before boarding. The flight case weighs about 12 pounds and it is oversized (37 L x 20 W x 15 D), but no one at check in required that I pay the oversize baggage fee. It doesn't look as big as it actually is because of the trapezoidal shape rather than a rectangular shape. I have posted some photos of the flight case at Flickr: [2]http://www.flickr.com/photos/41330...@n03/. The owner of CaseXtreme, Bruce Lamb, is very helpful and he can be reached at 800-495-8444. FYI, I have no business interest in CaseXtreme. Hope this helps, Bill Eisele Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:24:45 -0800 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: dwinh...@comcast.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Flying with a lute Thank you, Nancy. Excellent, relevant recent information. Important that it is post Christmas. Seems to be a don't ask, don't tell Least said, soonest mended etc. type of modus operandi. That's how it worked with my old, small vihuela in about 2005 going to the Amherst event from S.F. Bay area also. For a Cleveland adventure I was afraid to risk being turned away at the gate with no alternatives (as Ned is afraid of) with the 13 course Baroque lute so I reinforced the old case with 4 more sturdy latches- but no extra padding measures except for lots of socks and underwear inside the case around the neck and pegbox, and some music pages between the strings and the soundboard. Totally detuned, of course. It came and went both directions unscathed, I think by sheer good luck. United hadn't yet learned how to break guitars, I guess. Hasn't someone this list given a link to a promo for a new guitar case that was thrown off a building, and the (but solid body) guitar survived intact? Still an accomplishment, I would like to see that ad again- couldn't google it up. Dan -- References 1. http://www.casextreme.com/ 2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41330...@n03/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: String equivalents
Leonard, I'm not sure if this chart (http://www.ianwatchorn.com.au/String%20Conversion%20Table.pdf) is what you are looking for, but please check it out. It does cover a number of string makers. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:41:25 -0400 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: arc...@verizon.net Subject: [LUTE] String equivalents Does anyone know of a chart that compares various manufacturers strings with plain gut (equivalent diameters)? I found a chart with some of this information, but it is not complete--there are some metal wound strings I own that are not listed at all for their maker. The on-line calculators are great for finding a string in a solid material like gut or nylon, but don't work for mixed-media strings. I'm not finding much on line. Thanks, Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Traveling with lute
Hello Ned, Just before the LSA workshop at the Vancouver Early Music Festival I had a custom flight case made for my Kingham lute case by CaseXtreme in San Diego: http://www.casextreme.com/. It's made with some kind of corrugated plastic and uses foam pads as cushioning on the sides and the bottom of the flight case. The Kingham case is held in place against the pads with a strap and there's about an inch of space between the lid of the flight case and the Kingham case. The case has two carrying handles and comes with detachable wheels. All sides of the case are extremely rigid once the lid is closed and you can stand on the top without damaging the case. The cost of the flight case with shipping was about $320. I checked the flight case through from Albuquerque to Vancouver (connection in Denver) and return (connection in San Francisco) with no problems - four separate flights. The lute inside was unscathed. I'm not sure if it will fit through an x-ray machine, but if it does fit, a gate check would probably be the best way to go. I just didn't want to haul it all over the airports before boarding. The flight case weighs about 12 pounds and it is oversized (37 L x 20 W x 15 D), but no one at check in required that I pay the oversize baggage fee. It doesn't look as big as it actually is because of the trapezoidal shape rather than a rectangular shape. I have posted some photos of the flight case at Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41330...@n03/. The owner of CaseXtreme, Bruce Lamb, is very helpful and he can be reached at 800-495-8444. FYI, I have no business interest in CaseXtreme. Hope this helps, Bill Eisele Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:27:16 -0400 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Traveling with lute It's been several years since I've flown, and I'm wondering if there's a safe way to travel with a lute by air. Do any airlines still sell a seat for a musical instrument? Or is there a lute case available that's designed to withstand the abuse flight baggage may encounter? (Having an extra instrument and shipping it ahead is one idea that's occured to me, but someone willing to accept it is needed). Ned __ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Savarez, Aquila Pyramid equivalencies
Richard, I believe this is the chart that you are looking for: http://www.ianwatchorn.com.au/String%20Conversion%20Table.pdf. I haven't used it so I can't vouch for its accuracy. Best regards, Bill Eisele Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:55:48 -0400 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: grobe...@sas.upenn.edu Subject: [LUTE] Savarez, Aquila Pyramid equivalencies Dear Lute-Netters, I hear that there's a chart that lines up the equivalent guages of Aquila, Savarez and Pyramid strings. Can anybody tell me where I can find this chart? Thanks! Richard Stone -- Instructor of Baroque Lute and Theorbo Peabody Conservatory 1 East Mt Vernon Place Baltimore MD 21202 [1]rston...@jhmi.edu [2]www.peabody.jhu.edu Artistic Co-Director Tempesta di Mare Philadelphia Baroque Orchestra Chamber Players 1034 Carpenter St Philadelphia PA 19147 215-755-8776 office fax 215-339-4067 home 215-868-5068 cell (when away from home) [3]i...@tempestadimare.org [4]www.tempestadimare.org References 1. mailto:rston...@jhmi.edu 2. http://www.peabody.jhu.edu/index.php?pageID=3044 3. mailto:i...@tempestadimare.org 4. http://www.tempestadimare.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] de los alamos vengo madre
by juan vasquez (1500-60). played on a mandolin ... but i hope it's acceptable as i treat the instrument as a plectrum lute: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TWRghdXyBKc http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] la folia witchcraft
been la-la-la-la-ling it in mandolin land these days - hope you won't mind the following. there's a video on youtube in which a minister in gov. palin's church blesses her with protection against witchcraft - absolutely beggars belief ... prompted me to write the following - using the traditional la folia progression: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9HIQhsY4F-0 collusion with a priest in protection from the witch presupposes belief that they exist if we all give the power to palin will we get the horror of salem? http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?
why go to strangers? ... everything you need to know is located here: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/ oudists call the plectrum a risha - put that in the site's search engine. raptor feathers are preferred to the domestic variety (tougher) but the best, imho, comes from horn.-! you can find cow horn on ebay at wildly varying prices. the other ESSENTIAL ingredient is olive oil - a good soak in olive oil will keep anything cuticular in good condition. - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick --- On Sat, 28/6/08, Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make? To: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED], LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 8:59 AM On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Ed Durbrow wrote: Crawford Young uses a guitar string as a plectrum. Any more details on this? Stuart Not too much to add. You just take the feathers off of the part on the end that hits the strings. He leaves a little bit of feather on the other end so that he can find it if it drops on the floor. The important point is that he uses the opposite end of the feather from what most folks do and he doesn't split it. I forget if he sands it or not to make it perfectly round. I tried gluing or taping a bit of guitar G string to the side of a guitar pick so it protudes past the tip. This works well. It gives you a round bit that sounds well from any angle and something to hold on to that is wider than a string. You can adjust the flexibility by how close to the end you hold it. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --
[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make? baldasarre article
lute pickers:-! joseph baldassare wrote a two part article in lute news (april/july - 2004) called playing the lute in medieval europe - filled with information and iconography. - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick --- On Sat, 28/6/08, bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make? To: LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 9:26 AM why go to strangers? ... everything you need to know is located here: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/ oudists call the plectrum a risha - put that in the site's search engine. raptor feathers are preferred to the domestic variety (tougher) but the best, imho, comes from horn.-! you can find cow horn on ebay at wildly varying prices. the other ESSENTIAL ingredient is olive oil - a good soak in olive oil will keep anything cuticular in good condition. - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick --- On Sat, 28/6/08, Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make? To: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED], LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2008, 8:59 AM On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Ed Durbrow wrote: Crawford Young uses a guitar string as a plectrum. Any more details on this? Stuart Not too much to add. You just take the feathers off of the part on the end that hits the strings. He leaves a little bit of feather on the other end so that he can find it if it drops on the floor. The important point is that he uses the opposite end of the feather from what most folks do and he doesn't split it. I forget if he sands it or not to make it perfectly round. I tried gluing or taping a bit of guitar G string to the side of a guitar pick so it protudes past the tip. This works well. It gives you a round bit that sounds well from any angle and something to hold on to that is wider than a string. You can adjust the flexibility by how close to the end you hold it. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html --
[LUTE] reply from SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH
just received a reply from the legal and copyright department of SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH that states the music in some tempus est iocundum videos on youtube - mine included - was composed by carl orff and is copyright protected. how they came to this conclusion eludes me. -!i do not read music - i play by ear. -!in some degree it's flattering that my warbling and wizardry on the oud should conform to a composer of orff's renown. as stated previously, i learned the tune from someone who learned it from the ex-director of our group ... who subsequently writes that he transcribed the music from the codex catalog buranus CB 179, using modern notation. i've subsequently learned that in the original manuscript, the tunes - as such - were indicated by neumes or breaths - with the melody being merely suggested. i don't know if neumes are present for the tempus folio but i understand that orff is believed to have composed the music for his carmina burana all by himself - without any reference (i would assume) to these original neumes. you've no-doubt played this piece a thousand times. i've not been able to hear any other transcription of the piece (binkley's in particular) but i wonder how different these versions can be? whether the melody i used is accidentally orff's or not is beside the point (imho) as the copyright will expire in 30-something years and as a 60-something optimist ... i WILL be there! more than anything else i think it's sad that SCHOTT has stooped to snooping on the amateurs of youtube for big league copyright infringement. - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] tempus est iocundum - original melody
here's mine: http://earlymusicmandolin.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2167739%3AVideo%3A22 .. where's yours? - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody
on the right hand of my page - here in italy - the adverts are as follows: free sms messages loose belly fat download microsoft's messenger high school musical free music, photos and videos .. mammon up north seems much more beguiling. -! http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick --- On Tue, 24/6/08, LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008, 11:09 PM Jolly, indeed. Btw, what's all the advertisement on the right hand got to do with it, who thinks these companies, or what they sell, have anything to do with mandolins? Trendy tankini of bikini Extreme Micro Bikinis Hot Celeb Girl Pics Badkleding Salty Dog Free Weekly Horoscope David - bemused David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] Tempus est iocundum - original melody Thanks, Bill. That's very jolly, and much appreciated. Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2008 16:04 To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] tempus est iocundum - original melody here's mine: http://earlymusicmandolin.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2167739%3AVideo%3 A22 . where's yours? - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --
[LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody
i could do with - Pounds 14,756 a week ... what's the deal? you'll find the plectrum on ebay - seen here: http://cgi.ebay.de/Original-Pyramid-Oud-Plektren-Ud-Laute-Saz_W0QQitemZ230263910016QQihZ013 .. but you can easily make your own (laundry detergent containers; cow's horn ... a tusk, perhaps?) - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick --- On Tue, 24/6/08, Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tempus est iocundum - original melody To: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008, 11:30 PM LGS-Europe wrote: Jolly, indeed. Btw, what's all the advertisement on the right hand got to do with it, who thinks these companies, or what they sell, have anything to do with mandolins? Trendy tankini of bikini Extreme Micro Bikinis Hot Celeb Girl Pics Badkleding Salty Dog Free Weekly Horoscope David - bemused Is this the Youtube or the Ning (via Youtube) ? It's the ads that pay for it all. On Ning I get ads for: 10 rules for a fat stomach Smartphones How to earn - Pounds 14,756 a week and hot singles! Nice tune, Bill. What's the plectrum thing you are using? Stuart David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] Tempus est iocundum - original melody Thanks, Bill. That's very jolly, and much appreciated. Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 June 2008 16:04 To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] tempus est iocundum - original melody here's mine: http://earlymusicmandolin.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2167739%3AVideo%3 A22 . where's yours? - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 23/06/2008 19:16 __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html --
[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria
Davide I notice in an advertisement in the latest Guild of American Luthiers journal that Luciano Faria is working with a Company named HanoverBrazil ( www.hanoverbrazil.com) importing CITES certified Brazilian Rosewood to the US. Perhaps you may be able to contact him through that company. Regards William 2008/6/25 Davide Bioccoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, does anyone know anything about Luciano Faria? is he still in activity? I've ordered in October 2006,and it would have been ready for October 2007,but I don't have any contact from him since months. Thank you for help Regards Davide To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: dun bin orff-ed - the end
screw 'em ... haven't heard from SCHOTT or youtube with an explanation and i don't expect i will.-! i dislike the idea of repetitive covers in any case. not everyone agrees, but to me - this is early folk music and i qualify! i'm working on a variation of the melody - a process i'm sure my early music predecessors engaged in with copyrightless abandon. not that i'll use any of them ... but tempus est iocundum can be sung to old macdonald had a farm ... 100 bottles of beer on the wall ... fr=C3=A8re jacques ... and at a pinch, the star spangled banner ... .. cd available soon. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] dun bin orff-ed - reading neumes
in relation to a possible copyright infringement on tempus est iocundum performances - past and future - is anyone in a position to compare the orff composition with any other treatment of the original manuscript?-! ... are there neumes in the collection that relate specifically to this song? any help would be greatly appreciated - bill -! http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] copyright infringement for tempus est iocundum
greetings - i recorded a video on youtube of my performance of tempus est iocundum from the 13th cent. carmina burana collection of songs.-! as i understand it, all songs in the collection are anonymous - some of which were used by carl orff for his orchestration.-! the video has been removed at the request of SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH Co. for an infringement of copyright. i've written to youtube questioning whether SCHOTT MUSIC GmbH Co. has genuine copyrights on an anonymously composed 13th cent. tune. has anyone here been similarly censored? shocked and more than a little pissed-off - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Silk strings / address
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bill Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/6/19 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Silk strings / address To: Andreas Schlegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Andreas Here is the listing for Peter from the Music Council of Australia. I don't know how current this information is and I have not tried to make contact with Peter at the address stated, however it's worth a try. Peter Rea (Instrument Maker) *Address:* 24 Masuda St, Annandale, Townsville Qld, 4814, Australia *Telephone*: 07 4775 7958 *Mobile:* 0437 700 088 *Fax:* 07 4775 7958 *Email Address:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers William 2008/6/17 Andreas Schlegel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear collected wisdom I'm looking for the address (mail or electronic) of Peter Rea and Margret Caley. They live somewhere in Australia and made experiments with silk strings with great success (citation from a mail of Ian Watchorn). I can't find more informations on an actual address and hope on the help of our discussion group. Thanks a lot! Andreas Schlegel To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute construction
Hello Everyone It's nice to see so much activity lately on the lute builder list. As a fairly geographically isolated luthier the internet is where I get a lot of my information. WRT tools - no one so far has spoken about hide glue cookers/heaters. I would be interested in what everyone uses to keep their glue at a correct temperature while they are doing glue tasks. At the moment I usually prepare a small quantity of glue (just enough for the job) in a glass jar which I heat in a few centimeters of water in a rice cooker. This works OK as far as it goes but as the cooker does not have a thermostat occasionally I end up with overheated glue when I become absorbed in what I am doing. I'm torn between gluing as a critical task and not spending money on unnecessary tools I build mostly renaissance lutes and classical guitars and I agree with most of what has been said in this conversation. Drill press, band saw, small mechanics lathe (good for making ad hoc tools as well as pegs), draw full of hand planes (fore, jack, small bench plane, various angle block planes, bullnose/chisel [homemade], shoulder planes), chisels and gouges and plenty of good scrapers. Measuring stuff - good squares, good angle gauge, vernier, profile gauge etc. DUST EXTRACTOR. Look forward to your advice. Cheers Bill On 09/12/2007, Timothy Motz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Although I am not nearly in Rob's class as a builder, I too build in a small workshop (9X9 feet) next to the laundry area in my basement. I've accumulated power tools mainly for renovating my house, but they are mostly benchtop sized. I have a cheap Taiwanese 14 inch bandsaw that I bought used in the garage with a 3/4 inch blade on it for resawing. It doesn't have a dust port on it, so it stays out in the garage where the dust won't get on the clothes in the laundry area. I built myself a thickness sander capable of handling soundboards up to 15 inches wide. It too lives in the garage, as does a cheapie Delta benchtop table saw. That doesn't get used much in lutherie, but I found that blade stabilizers made a big difference in its performance. The Taiwanese saw also started performing better once I put a Timber Wolf blade on it. It now cuts much more efficiently; it was like increasing the size of the motor. Indoors I have a 9 inch Delta bandsaw, a tabletop drill press and a tabletop mini lathe that is sold for hobbyists making wooden pens. I used to use it to make pegs, but I've found an Indian company that sells them at a reasonable price. I may still make pegs for my own lutes; I have certainly accumulated enough apple wood for that. I have a Luthier's Friend that goes on the drill press; I use that for thicknessing ribs and for a lot of other things. I usually prep the soundboards out in the garage on the bigger thickness sander in batches and work on the ribs on the Luthier's Friend in the basement as I have time. There is an old radial arm saw in the basement that I bought used for work on the house; it doesn't get used much in lutherie, though. Like Rob, I look for old hand tools. I use a block plane that belonged to my grandfather that passed to me when my father died. I like to remember him when I use it. You can find nice planes in antique stores for about $25 or $30 (but check the blades for deep nicks). I have a nice fore plane that cost me $30 that I use all the time. Many of the old hand tools were given up when power tool equivalents became common for cabinetmakers and finish carpenters, so the old ones go pretty cheap. You can make jigs and things like shooting boards yourself as you need them. Good scrapers are a must; the ones I can get in local hardware stores don't have hard enough steel, so I buy from either Woodcraft or lutherie supply stores. I broke down and bought a violin maker's thumb plane when I had to do some remedial work to lower the action on a lute; it's also great for shaving down bracing. I have a set of small mushroom-handled chisels sold for woodblock printmakers which are perfect for fine work. If you are starting out, you can often get things done for you by the lutherie supply houses. LMI will glue up a soundboard and thickness sand it for you for a reasonable charge. The first lutes I built had ribs made from thin wood from a hobby supply store. At 24 inches, it was just barely long enough for a G lute. And you can get creative. Rather than invest in a luthier's bending iron at first, I made a bending form and used a steam iron to bend the wood to conform to the form. Don't plan on using the steam iron for clothes again; I had an old one. You can find old irons in thrift shops. If you have a Craig's List web page for your area, you can watch it for used tools. Often people will sell an entire workshop of tools that belonged to a deceased parent which they have no use for. The tools might be 50 years old, but if they are in good
[LUTE] Re: Hopkinson Smith on silence and lute playing
http://www.hopkinsonsmith.com/ --- vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a link? - Original Message - From: Tobias Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 4:12 AM Subject: [LUTE] Hopkinson Smith on silence and lute playing Dear Sirs, I got a newsletter (#3) from the homepage of Hopkinson Smith the other day. He has writtern such a beautiful text on silence and lute playing. Please take your time and read it. All the best Tobias Neumann To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.22/ - Release Date: 11/5/2007 4:36 AM http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] Re: Xmas ensemble
will there be two of you, swopping instruments or are there four of you? shame about the costume - what's that wire running up your arm for?!? - bill --- Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any recommendations for Xmas music for violin/ viola da gamba and Ren lute/B. guit? Gig coming up in a department store in December that calls for a few Christmas tunes. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] Re: Tweaking youtube video sound
as one not-much-enamored with the technique of sound, i appreciated your playing in every case ... but of the three, i liked the sound quality of the 3rd piece (the bourree) best. garage band on my mac has a facility for bagpipe ... the mind boggles - if ever there was instrument less suited for recording, the pipe - any pipe - is it. long live alan lomax and whatever it was he used to make his wonderful recordings - bill --- Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For streaming video on the net, there are usually sacrifices in video and sound quality, esp on Youtube. I've posted 3 videos today (A major Weiss pieces). For the first 2 (prelude and Allemande) I used my video camera for the video but used my linear PCM recorder for the sound. Then imported sound into iTunes, applied graphic equalizer to reduce highest treble channel, then re-recorded using Audio Hijack (because I'm too cheap to buy a fancy remixing software package) then sent audio and video to Garageband (there IS a Mac theme here) then played around with both tracks to get them synchronized, then exported as a .mov file. For the last piece (Bourree) I just used the video camera and applied a bit of noise reduction in iMovie (reduces the camera's rumble). The extra audio quality did take a lot of time and work. For most people's viewing on the web, does it make much of a difference? Thanks DS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut9rHOpiht8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrv30NuZgH0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bChdtcVnyx4 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] Re: pictures
is that you in the mrs. twiggy-winkle outfit? ... do you - you know - want to talk about it? ... --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Way off topic, but some people know what I've been up to last weekend and have been nagging me for pictures. Understandably, once you see've seen them. I like the Vermeer guitar player, couldn't quite match the curly hair, though. ;-) http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/david/pics_f.html David - safely back in jeans David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] Re: humidifier+hang 'em high
if, on that great day of reckoning and final judgement, god turns out to be arboreal in nature, i, for one, am in a lot of trouble. driving a tractor has been a learning experience ... the brunt of which, alas, has been borne by the lower branches of our bruised and addled olive trees. dryads don't exist ... right? (knock wood) - bill (ex-owner of an arthur godfrey, plastic ukulele) --- Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a professional tree-torturer on this list. I'm sure he will appear soon. RT Does this count as 'appearing out of the woodwork'? In the 30 years, where I have lived at my present address, I have cut down and removed from my garden... 6 x Lombardy Poplar trees 1 x Willow Tree 1 x Weeping Willow 2 x Flowering Cherry trees 4 x Leylandii conifer trees 1 x Pear tree 1 x Apple tree 1 x Sycamore tree Several bushes...etc. All of these were mature and in good health and have now been replaced with other, more sensibly sized, indigenous species. - We now have half-hour extra daylight! I may even glean some home-grown material for lute-building. I plan to remove a big Bramley apple-tree soon, as I have saplings to set. But hey, I'm no professional woodsman...and they didn't suffer...much. Best Wishes Ron (UK) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] Re: humidifier+hang 'em high
--- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a professional tree-torturer on this list. I'm sure he will appear soon. RT .. you mean as in chop-chop? http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: hang 'em high
every now and then you see an oud up for auction on ebay with holes in the back which indicate that it had been screwed to the wall of some resturant with a middle-eastern theme - (gasp) - what a horrible thing to do to an instrument. i know people sometimes hang their guitars on the wall with purpose-built, prong-like things but ... .. please don't do it to your lute: it will absorb more dust; be more susceptable to changes in heat and humidity and ... assuming you've spent some money on the gorgeous thing ... be a highly visable object of desire to a whole host of mainly invisable and highly undesireable people of a less than honest disposition. --- Stephen W. Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone suspend his or her lute from a wall? Is there a good, safe way to do this? Thanks. Stephen -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
[LUTE] Re: [AMS-announce] CFP: Harmonia mundi: Musical instruments in Latin America, Guadalajara, Mar 2008
yes ... arthur - if you do go or are in the loop for any publications relating to the findings of the conference, please let us know - should be interesting. how about vihuelas are everywhere for a conference button? - bill --- Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be of interest to several of you onthese lists. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [AMS-announce] CFP: Harmonia mundi: Musical instruments in Latin America, Guadalajara, Mar 2008 Dear Colleagues: I am pleased to announce the 4th annual interdisciplinary conference of the Seminario Nacional de Musica en la Nueva Espana y el Mexico Independiente [National Seminar on Music in New Spain and Independent Mexico], which will take place in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico, on March 10-13, 2008. The theme of the conference is Harmonia mundi: Musical instruments in Latin America, 16th--mid-19th centuries. As you will see in the guidelines below, the three areas targeted at the conference will be 1) Iconographic and metaphoric representation of musical instruments; 2) Traditions in playing, teaching, and learning musical instruments; 3) Survival, construction and conservation of musical instruments. The language of the conference is Spanish. Exception may be made for especially qualified and relevant participations in English. 500-word abstracts with short bibliography are due October 31, 2007. The Selection Committee will inform applicants on November 14th, 2007 if their abstracts have been accepted. Please see the more detailed guidelines below. Inquiries in English (o espanol) should be directed to me at dedavies at northwestern.edu. Abstracts should be sent to musicat_web at yahoo.com.mx, and in the case of an English-language submission, it should be CCd to me as well. Drew Edward Davies, PhD Assistant Professor, Musicology School of Music Northwestern University 711 Elgin Road Evanston, IL 60208 Coordinador Regional de Durango Seminario Nacional de Musica en la Nueva Espana y el Mexico Independiente Instituto de Investigaciones Esteticas Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico Mexico, DF 04510 ___ AMS-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://list.bowdoin.edu/mailman/listinfo/ams-announce To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] basso continuo rustico
.. of a sort - como poden - from the cantigas di santa maria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AfykqGFrYc http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Import duty for instrument shipped to US
eugene's baroque mandolino came from luciano faria but (i think) he's gone fishin' up in ontario. --- Kevin Kishimoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the US trade commission website: http://www.usitc.gov/tata/hts/bychapter/index.htm It's got most info you need, although digging through everything to find what's applicable can take a little time. Anyway, if I'm reading this correctly, you will have to pay 4.6% on the declared value. (Hopefully the maker didn't describe it on the paperwork as a guitar because that would make it 8.7%.) I'm not sure what kind of duty there is on a case, but if you bought it as a package deal, then I think it's all included. Here's a link for the chapter on musical instruments. http://hotdocs.usitc.gov/docs/tata/hts/bychapter/0702c92.pdf You can also read the general notes section for more info on how to read this chart: http://hotdocs.usitc.gov/docs/tata/hts/bychapter/0702gn.pdf Good luck. Kevin - Original Message From: Jim Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTE-LIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:06:27 AM Subject: [LUTE] Import duty for instrument shipped to US Hi All, I have been informed by Luciano Faria, my luthier in Brazil, that my lute shipped yesterday. Does anyone know if I will have to pay import duty? Does it just show up on my doorstep? Jim -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html
[LUTE] Re: Import duty for instrument shipped to US
--- Robert Clair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are weirdnesses - bagpipes are free (or double really? so far, the pipes i've been getting from bulgaria are delivered here in europe w/o duty but anything from the US (including xmas presents from my dear old mum') are absolutely hammered with duty. if italian customs practices are anything to go by (imh-experience) the left hand doesn't even know it has a right. http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute song sighting, almost
what's it say on the packet of cheese spread? ... --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Familiar with Dowland's My thoughts are wing'd with hopes, my hopes with love? This is what's printed on the package of Japanese rice crackers in front of me (spelling and interpunction original): My thoughts is wings of hope, My wish is wings of love, Flying away into the azure sky. Talking to the sun, The sunlight shining on all over the ground, That is just love ... Food for thought. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html
[LUTE] Re: lute song sighting, almost
here in italy too - i was once startled (frankly) to see an illustrated t-shirt on very young girl - 10 or 12 years old maybe - that had the coquettish image of a female dog, tail up, wiggling her rear-end around while disappearing under the right arm and the image of an aroused male dog, thundering after her in hot pursuit from under the left arm, saying sniff! sniff! my favorite was a toddler's baseball hat i saw once with a typical baseball and cross bats motif along with the words (in english) ball buster! - bill --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill what's it say on the packet of cheese spread? ... In Japan you'll have many close encounters with what I'd like to call 'mood poetry'. It doesn't have to make sense, so any combination of emotion-evoking words in a foreign language will do. In advertisements, on packaging and on clothes, T-shirts as well as underwear. On the latter you'll find some philosopically bewildering statements that will shed a whole new light on the relation between packaging and content. Can't think of any off-hand, but I have been shocked, once or twice, in rather intimate situations. David --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Familiar with Dowland's My thoughts are wing'd with hopes, my hopes with love? This is what's printed on the package of Japanese rice crackers in front of me (spelling and interpunction original): My thoughts is wings of hope, My wish is wings of love, Flying away into the azure sky. Talking to the sun, The sunlight shining on all over the ground, That is just love ... Food for thought. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: richard III and the charango
late at night ... the sandman is insistent ... but the short answer to your question is: .. not a lot - they're all (i maintain) in the vihuela family - jaranas, medianas, charangos, vihuela de golpe, tiple, timple etc., etc.. zzz - bill --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 9, 2007, at 6:33 PM, bill kilpatrick wrote: if kinship is acknowledged between a vihuela and a charango - at what point in history did one become the other? ... and why? Bill, as long as we're distinguishing instruments, clearly in an effort to eschew obfuscation :-), what about the tiple? I understand that is also a descencent of the vihuela. How is it different to a charango? David R http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] cobza
a million miles from what you're probably into but very close to what lute-related folks were into, not that long ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUOvsy2L6Y http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute request warning!
.. could it have been your wake-up call? goodtothelastdrop - bill --- Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all I just received a garbled mail tittled Baroque-lute-request anthony- hind and with some references to nescafé that I can see. I knowingly sent no such mail. I don't know what the origin of this might be. I can only think that you should not click on any links in that message Regards Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html
[LUTE] Re: carbon strings
chat concerning carbon strings does nothing to diminish our carbon foot ... er ... finger print(s) - cooking oil strings? just found out that one of the lunatics in our village (lunatic in the genuine sense of the word) caused some concern with the local health officials some time ago when it was discovered she was cooking cats - alternate string users take note. http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: cedric, and mercy and pity
my dear friend - please excuse me. you have expressed yourself so well and so clearly in the past - i never suspected that anyone's use of english here would present problems. simply put, i think the early music we enjoy today had a more varied audience centuries ago. i think part of that audience would have had opinions similar to my own regarding the formal vs. informal appreciation of it and would have let their feelings be known from time to time. these opinions are expressed in good humour - i hope they are received in same - and do nothing to diminish my respect for you all. try reading henry james - bill --- Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really would like to have a deeper knowledge of the english language when one of your messages arrive, dear Bill, because sometimes (for instance in the thread 'vihuela black swan') I only understand about 30% of them: they are filled with difficult words, slang, and so on, and for me it's terribly difficult, so that, finally, I give up. That does not happen to me with other messages written by english, american, australian, etc, people in this list, it happens to me only with your messages. So this is a message in which I beg for mercy and pity, dear Bill: I do really have interest in what you say. I am perfectly aware that what you say is deeply connected with how you say it, and that it is perhaps impossible to simplify the how, but, anyway, I wanted to express my frustration... Saludos from Barcelona, Manolo Laguillo bill kilpatrick wrote: i know you'll say it's none of my business - and quite right too - but i can't help feeling just that little bit anxious for the welfare of your poor little, etiolated vihuelas and baroque guitars and their future development as well rounded chordaphones in an ever diversifying contemporary music scene. i mean ... it's a wuff' life. instead of being zipped-up in the cheap n' cheerful confines of a chinese-made, nylon gig bag and whisked round - simply as one of the gang - to a wide variety of light-hearted venues ... road houses; smoke-filled taverns; rowdy bar-b-ques; raucous clam bakes; hale n' hearty sing-a-longs, etc., etc. (as their progenitors were, lo' those many, many years ago) ... cedric - as i learn lord fauntleroy's american christian name to have been - is usually cosseted in a purpose built case, costing many hundreds of dollars and carried forth to an oak-paneled, university chamber, of an evening, to perform before a select circle of stern-faced HIP-ese. .. pop open a brew! ... show him how to walk the dog! to this end, i've been thinking of a suitable composition for the boy, to increase the chances of his being accepted by all the other cheeky little chappies on the block ... how about goodbye ruby tuesday by the railing staines? .. a little bossa nova might not be a'miss, either. dreadfully concerned - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html
[LUTE] Re: cedric, and mercy and pity
manolo - far-far from music but interesting from the point of view of an american living in europe, is the europeans. it's a short novel, less dense than some of his monster novels - the best of which (imho) is the portrait of a lady. david - i've read most of his novels but the ambassadors (about a quarter way though) represents my high water mark ... i simply could not go on - ditto the golden bowl. i have a book of his plays that i can recommend to anyone suffering from insomnia. - bill --- LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mmhh, reading Henry James: in spanish yes, I did it many years ago. What (short) story would you advice to me? I'm enjoying The Ambassadors at the moment. It's at a different pace than my life, which is perfect to slow me down from time to time. David http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings
it's a recurring nighmare/fantasy of mine that i stumble into a huntin'fishin'-type shop with only a few pennies in my pocket, trying to replace a busted string on my charango - my only means of support. i don't know what sort of lute you have or if the following has any relevance ... but in the treble range of the charango (apropos fishing line) here are the diameters listed: E 0.4 mm 0.016 inch A 0.6mm 0.024 inch E 0.7 mm 0.028 inch e 0.4 mm C 0.5 mm 0.02 inch G 0.7 mm E 0.4mm A 1st string of a guitar E 2nd string of a guitar e 0.4 mm C 0.5mm G 1st string of a guitar ping - bill --- Charles Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear colleagues, I have three carbon strings, at least I had three, marked No.6, No.8 and No, 10. Presumably these were from reels of fishing line. Is there a standard relationship between this type of numbering and string diameter? thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html
[LUTE] Re: awad ahmodi
according to what i read at mike's ... he's playing in the khomasi scale. google didn't provide an explanation for this but yes, i agree, whatever he's playing is very accessible to my western ears. it's difficult to imagine a more unfomfortable position for holding the risha, however. - bill --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:22 PM 6/8/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: toe tapping stuff from this blind sudanese oud player - interesting way of holding a risha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjgozomLcLs (from mike's ouds) Good stuff. There's a lot of Western influence there, though. Chords aren't a traditional part of Arabic music. Are they typical of modern oud playing? (Maybe just in Sudan?) Chris Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[LUTE] Re: Women in Art
you're already loaded with options ... but uploading the video to your blog site (if you have one) is also an option. - bill --- Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to save a YouTube video? Women in Art (not to mention the many lute videos) is great, but my slow internet connection makes later repeat viewings a time consuming chore. Any way to get them to my hard drive permanently? Thanks! Leonard Williams On 6/7/07 5:08 PM, Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the music were entitled Morpheus... but then it would make you fall asleep. - Original Message - From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:34 AM Subject: [LUTE] Women in Art This is slightly off topic, but a friend sent this to me today, and it really left me with a placid, satisfying feeling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs Turn on the volume, and take time to observe the beauty, relax. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Et tu, Edo?
ed - i can't say i was actually looking forward to seeing you in your smalls ... but i was just that little bit curious. alas, all that was revealed from your lute posting on my computer was an enormous q for quicktime and nothing else. go-on ... post your video to youtube and let's 'ave you ... mega respect - bill --- Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right, I too have added my cyberspace debut lute video - in casual dress (very). http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/2007message.html Just click Fantasia in underwear. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] modern troubadour II
reluctance - by robert frost - from a boy's will collection of poems(1913): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WdWO_4af1I http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: who invented the guitar
--- Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be tempted to use it as a racket though ... batter-up batov badminton bean-boppin' bowl-back berater (charangosmiley symbol ... huge one) - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: who invented the guitar
a simple experiment, to prove that a combined, two-bout, figure 8-style sound chamber is better - more resonate ... different (at any rate) - than one is to drop a ping-pong ball into the sound chamber of your instrument. i realize that for those with fixed roses this is an impossibility but it's easy enough for those with an open sound hole. the ping-pong ball forms a mini-sound chamber within a larger sound chamber. it's why people wearing cowboy boots and improbable stetsons drop rattlesnake rattles into their instruments. bet you'awl wish you had a friendly little charango 'bout now so as to perform this-here ex-pear-i-ment. plucky - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Workshop video
fabulous - thank you. - bill --- Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, yesterday I spoke with Knud Sindt, a german lutemaker in Spain and a very nice guy. I just looked at his web page which surprisingly has a video of his workshop: http://www.knud.es/ What a nice idea! Regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?
you'awl may laugh and joke but i've got dyslexia big time and i simply can not - not WILL not - but CAN not .. read music - in both tabs and notation. i can forge through a melody, note by note but it's a long and painful process. i only really know a piece when i hear it. (godbless midi and mp3.) i happened to hear an interview once with joanna lumley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Lumley) in which she said she'd tried many times to do it but simply couldn't - even with encouragement from her conductor husband, stephen barlow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Barlow). i play better now, aged 60, than i ever did when i was kid but i still can't read a note. - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?
absolutely - to those who can look at a manuscript and read it effortlessly w/o strum und drum, this inability to read music must seem like someone who is incapable of tieing his own shoe laces ... but i assure you - five lines and wildly wiggly dots have little to do with what me and my charango can produce. - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: vertical dyslexia?
absolutely - to those who can look at a manuscript and read it effortlessly w/o strum und drum, this inability to read music must seem like someone who is incapable of tieing his own shoe laces ... but i assure you - five wavering lines and wildly wiggly dots have little to do with what me and my charango can produce. - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] youtubeouddebuttwo
how's'zat for alliteration! ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTqGMvPTig - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] yootube deboo two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gnMR0ZZbH0#GU5U2spHI_4 - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] youtube debut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyvrCMmt8k - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: food drink songs?
vinum bonum et suave bache bene venies tourdion make it one for my baby and one more for the road copper kettle cigarettes and whiskey and wild-wild women .. and who could forget: what made milwaukee famous has made a fool out of me um-umm! http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] pc early music pin-up (cont.)
bella fancuilla with lute has been brought to my attention: http://www.luteduo.com/gallery.htm http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: pc early music pin-up (cont.)
another timid soul has brought his pin-up to my attention: http://www.hillenet.net/downloads/default.shtml do orchestral musicians have lockers? http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: pc early music pin-up (cont.)
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn940 long of tooth - bill --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: another timid soul has brought his pin-up to my attention: http://www.hillenet.net/downloads/default.shtml She is a grandmother! RT do orchestral musicians have lockers? http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html _ Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html
[LUTE] pc early music pin-up
pc for all the right reasons, rest assured ... but gracing the inside of my locker would be a photo of lucie skeaping: http://www.lucieskeaping.co.uk/ http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: pc early music pin-up
bo' ... she and catherine bott take turns hosting a wonderful early music program on the bbc: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/presenters/lucie_skeaping.shtml - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] the sun's music
arto! nothing new under the sun ... or so they say: http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20070419/sc_space/sunsatmospheresings http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Contemporary Music and the Lute
odd you should say that as i'm on the case for anything classic - contemporary or other wise - that's been written for - or adaptable to - the charango. contemporary music for the lute might present problems as the instrument is largely considered to be a period instrument, associated almost exclusively with the early music repertoire. i think it has a special dynamic; calm, reflective, very low-key - don't know if those qualities carry much truck with melodophobic bang contemporary crash classic wallop composers. 'umble opinion - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: An interesting article in the Washington post.
20-plus years ago i saw nigel kennedy do the same thing in a pedestrian passageway under hammersmith circle in london. he was dressed up to look like the character on the cover of the aqualung album by jethro tull. i put some money in his hat and listened for while but i'm sure very few others did. reading a book about pius II (piccolomini) which states that as a student in rome, the 15th cent. humanist antonio beccadelli (13941471) called il panormita, used to busk with his lyre while his boyfriend, ergotele, sang. i always give money to buskers - especially those reserved enough to play on a take-it or leave-it basis. thanks for that - great article. --- Chris Bolton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to admit to myself that I've been guilty of the same phenomenon as described in the following article, but I've decided to keep listening and plucking away in spite of the somewhat depressing state of affairs. Is it just a romantic notion that life as a lute player would have been easier under the patronage of the Medici? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] happy easter
old hobb is dead as well. darwin wins ... a double header! - bill http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: No Humour please, were (at the) BRITish (awards)
mark ... what are you on about? - even in 15-whatever, it was still rock n' roll. respectfully (but at a distance) - bill --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lutenetters maybe of interest Classical Brits Old Man Face-Off: Sting Vs Paul McCartney http://www.hecklerspray.com/classical-brits-old-man-face-off-sting-vs-paul-mccartney-2/20067748.php/ All the best Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://earlymusiccharango.blogspot.com/ ___ Now you can have your favourite RSS headlines come to you with the all new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[LUTE] Re: Stung again
empress of all flowers ... i fear david may be right in that the preconcieved notions people carry with them can sometimes make it .. the thing itself - seem unrecognizable. can too much information be just as dangerous (in a tree for the forest situation) as too little? --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Which empress??? You mean there's more than one? Yesterday I taught 2 classes of 19-year olds at NYU, invited by a poet-friend who teaches a History of Culture course which touches on the mystification as a literary vehicle. Interesting. When I was in graduate school it was de-mystification. Still, that was a long time ago... So I was asked to do a presentation on Sautscheckerei, my humble self in the context of literary mystification from Descartes, Chatterton, Macpherson, Merimee, Musin-Pushkin and other fine individuals Dan Swenberg (of the Rebel Baroque Orchestra et al.) helped out with a dozen and a half Sarmaticae et Ruthenicae on the Renaissance lute. I played the sautscheckerei myself in the second half- baroque lute settings of and variations on Ukrainian songs, with some originals interspersed, nach Haydnisches Manier, naturlich, as a musical equivalent of Merimee's GUZLA. The picaresque aspect of the event also was certainly useful. Very impressive! But before Sting came along we would drawn blank stares. These kids were genuinely interested. Because you play that thing that Sting plays. Ho! Ho! Just kidding. Seriously, we're all mystified by Sting's success. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: Stung again
empress of all flowers ... i fear david may be right in that the preconcieved notions people carry with them can sometimes make it .. the thing itself - seem unrecognizable. can too much information be just as dangerous (in a tree for the forest situation) as too little? --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Which empress??? You mean there's more than one? Yesterday I taught 2 classes of 19-year olds at NYU, invited by a poet-friend who teaches a History of Culture course which touches on the mystification as a literary vehicle. Interesting. When I was in graduate school it was de-mystification. Still, that was a long time ago... So I was asked to do a presentation on Sautscheckerei, my humble self in the context of literary mystification from Descartes, Chatterton, Macpherson, Merimee, Musin-Pushkin and other fine individuals Dan Swenberg (of the Rebel Baroque Orchestra et al.) helped out with a dozen and a half Sarmaticae et Ruthenicae on the Renaissance lute. I played the sautscheckerei myself in the second half- baroque lute settings of and variations on Ukrainian songs, with some originals interspersed, nach Haydnisches Manier, naturlich, as a musical equivalent of Merimee's GUZLA. The picaresque aspect of the event also was certainly useful. Very impressive! But before Sting came along we would drawn blank stares. These kids were genuinely interested. Because you play that thing that Sting plays. Ho! Ho! Just kidding. Seriously, we're all mystified by Sting's success. David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: Stung again
--- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you play that thing that Sting plays. Ho! Ho! Just kidding. Seriously, we're all mystified by Sting's success. i'm mystified as well but more for the baggage that a talented, soulful, so-called pop artist is obliged to carry with him from one venue to another. if those who berate sting for singing and playing early music were to be suddenly transported back in time to elizabethian london and hear, per chance, someone other than dowland performing one of his compositions in any way different from what we now - in our time - perceive to be pukkah ... i wonder what would they say say? i'm sure - absolutely, positively sure - that hank williams purists would consider anything i might do to his compositions to be nothing less than a complete travesty. but there are nights - even here in tuscany - when content surpasses any and all concept of form. ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] been there
'yep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByB9H1ZiuYc .. followed by: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLIjujIUU0 ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: been there
i think it translates as ... should have studied archaeology. - bill --- Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: poveri noi ( I can't translate...) Donatella - Original Message - From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] been there 'yep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByB9H1ZiuYc .. followed by: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLIjujIUU0 ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 17/03/2007 12.33 ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[LUTE] Re: YouTube - Folk chorus
i'm currently embroiled in a dust-up over on the rec.early.music site - although i hope everything has settled down now - over just how old this sort of folk music is - did folks sing like this in the medieval/renaissance periods ... did they sing or even play instruments at all? incredibly prickly, pedantic and difficult exchange. to me, this style of performance sounds ancient and original and can rightly be considered as a of source of authentic, HIP-related information. guidelines on just how lute - or whatever - accompaniment should be played with this sort of music is all i'm really interested in. joy - bill --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This what Sarmaticae and Ruthenicae sound like before they get intabulated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaEyoScz9AI RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[LUTE] Re: [Viols] cello
there's also the vihuela de penola - played with plectrum - but a rose by any other name is ... thorny. --- gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is not the Italian term viola the equivalent of the Spanish vihuela' and the Portugese violao? And, as I understand it, these terms were origially applied to any stringed instrument. Hence, in Spain a plucked instrument was a vihuela de mano and a bowed instrument was a vihuela de arco. Thus, we must be clear that the term viola is not refering to the modern instrument known as the viola. Gary - Original Message - From: Alice Renken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Viols] cello Nope, sorry, Fred. The root word here is viola. The diminutive ending is ino, giving violino, little viola. ello is an aggrandizing ending, so violoncello is big viola. The ending one is super-aggrandizing, so violone means super-big viola. Which is exactly what the cello and double bass are. On Mar 15, 2007, at 6:42 PM, Fred Chandler wrote: ReMany words that are common usage derive from parts of the original, like cellist for violincellist. The suffix cello is a significator meaning large, so, cellist really has no meaning. Gambist is certainly the most recognizable title for a person who plays the viola da gamba. I don't have any problem with violist da gamba except for its awkwardness--but over the years have moved towards using gambist (just as have moved towards using gamba for the instrument), especially for an audience unfamiliar with the instrument that is likely to confuse it with a viola. Virginia Kaycoff Hi Virginia, Surely violoncello means little violone. I have always believed that Botticelli the artist's name meant little barrel. But I agree with you on using the word gambist. Sincerely, Fred Chandler. ___ Viols mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sandwich.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/viols @ Alice Brin Renken, Executive Secretary | |Viola da Gamba Society of America | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ( ) ( ) _\ /_ ___ Viols mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sandwich.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/viols -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: 3/15/2007 11:27 AM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: Clatterford lute sighting
boo ... hiss ... not absolutely bril' wit from la saunders. i wonder if her script called for (laughter) after. --- Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In today's NY Times there is an article about Clatterford a BBC comedy created by Jennifer Saunders (of Absolutely Fabulous fame). She plays a name dropping rich socialite and they gave as an example the following quote: We had a lovely evening. Until Sting played the lute. Priceless. The series begins airing in the US this Friday on BBC America. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[LUTE] Re: harmosis
don't know if this of interest to anyone but a knowledgeable contributor to mike's ouds posted this: http://members.aol.com/ricdum/lute.htm i've always thought that bowlback instruments of any sort were a relatively recent invention. with images of recent visit to egypt still fresh in my mind - and in my dreams ... - i find the idea of a prehistoric lute to be something of a marvel. --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an item posted to mike's oud site concerns an egyptian musician named harmosis, 1500 bc, who (according to drawings in his tomb) played a guembri-like instrument. anyone know anything about this man? regards - bill ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] harmosis
an item posted to mike's oud site concerns an egyptian musician named harmosis, 1500 bc, who (according to drawings in his tomb) played a guembri-like instrument. anyone know anything about this man? regards - bill ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] stradivarius preservation technique
picked this up on mike's oud site: http://www.newscientisttech.com/article.ns?id=dn10686feedId=online-news_rss20 .. says that a unique method of wood preservation might be responsible for the tone of his instruments - not the denser wood, produced by an unusually cold winter theory, previously proposed. ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] bagpipes - believe it or not this has relevance
found the following on this wonderful site: http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Main_Page ...Of course we do not mean that it has all the intervals necessary to form scales in all those keys, but that we find it playing tunes that are in one or other of them. 4 Mr Ellis considers that the natural scale of the chaunter of the bag-pipe corresponds most nearly with the Arab scale of Zalzal, a celebrated lutist who died C. A.D. Boo. would just love to know what calendar corresponds to C. A.D. Boo - maybe time will tell. here's what they had on musical instruments in 1911: http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Category:Musical_instruments ___ All New Yahoo! Mail Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: VERY OFF TOPIC! (political?)
i'm an american and an oud player and i resent like hell the collective blanket of guilt that arto is attempting to cast over everyone else from the good ol' usa with his (admittedly) very off topic post. arto - finland sided with the nazis during the second world war. i know there were reasons for this and i imagine (i hope!) that the vast majority of your countrymen - even if they had wanted to - were powerless to influence events. but if the metaphorical chickens contained in your posting below were to come home to roost, then ... yes or no, arto: have you (the collective, finnish you) stopped being nazis? the only place i have any real influence on this planet is in the confines of my own vegetable garden (to borrow a reference from voltaire) and arto ... talented musician and generous contributor that you are ... i would humbly and respectfully suggest that you - and anyone else of a similar, fundamentalistist persuasion - stop searching for great satan in the united states of america and start hoeing your own god-damned row. --- Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, it is going bad! Mr. Bush - the winner of the USA elections, the man chosen by (nearly) half of the Amercians, has managed to produce a civilian war in a country, where he sent his military. Tens if not hundreds of people are killed EVERY day! Human beings like you or me. This is one the very rare cases of a superpover sending its military to occupy a state after the second world war... The guy and his country is bound to that mess for a long, LONG time. And the same guy took care of taking the USA out of the so called western values by his concentration camps and accepting the torture. Even in the legistlation of the USA there seems to be something like light torture nowadays... Horrible! To me the modern USA represents a new historical period of gettig out of the the times of the so called Enlightment, the time where human rights were taken seriously. And now we have come back to the Dark Ages again? Or? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: for bill kilpatrick
well played - very delicate. with him in the shadows and you serenading in the soft light of an adjacent street lamp ... how could she refuse. that's microphone he's got ... --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDhInGzWrkE RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: for bill kilpatrick
.. keeps popping up: http://hitchcock.tv/mov/trouble_with_harry/harry.html --- Stuart LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...separated at birth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bates http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDhInGzWrkE RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
[LUTE] Re: For ambitious lutenists - iTunes
a worth contributor to the list contacted me privately to say that feelings is actually a braziian song called dime and takes on a different character when played in a ... HIP manner and placed in the context of Jobim and Charlie Byrd. couldn't agree more with him about the latter but not so sure about the stringency of HIP. taken as one of many influences it's wonderful but as an end in and of itself it's just plain dull (imho). sting's success with his dowland recordings suggests that any artist who acknowledges HIP but not be burdened with it - takes something other than a concensus view of it - can bring new life to the material. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, With the possible exception of jazz, classical music is confronted with a uniquely problematic practice right now that prevents it from becoming a successful commercial item: its made up of the same _exact_ stuff over and over. To use Pachelbel as an example - outside of specialists, who knows any other piece of music by JP other than the infamous Variations Over a Ground Bass in D Major? Yet there is a whole body of work by this guy including organ works, choral music, etc. Why is it that we don't hear more? There are a number of complex issues such as audience expectations and promotional issues, but the core responsibility lies with the fact that performers themselves just don't play JP's other stuff very often. Look at pop music (I use it in a very broad sense of not classical) on the other hand. Covers exist but most acts are always presenting _new_ music. (This music is, of course, not new stylistically - it consistently follows rather narrow formulae.) If our genre is going to survive, classical musicians need to at least delve into some of the great unknown repertoire out there more often. Discovering neglected gems was the operative philosophy of the Early Music movement when it first began, but now we too have largely ossified into predictable patterns of the same pieces by the same composers again and again. Just look to see how many different recordings of Dowland are out there. Now look to see how many recordings of the music of, say, Buddy Holly, you'll find by people other than Buddy Holly himself. Undoubtedly you'll find folks recording a Holly song here or there, but when its done it is rather like an added spice that makes up the meal of one's career built on other, previously unheard, songs. Yes, all of this concentration on a few items was at the urging of record companies who saw that it was easier to package, market, and sell classical albums to the consumer if they were classified by recognizable-name composers and greatest hit repertoire. That was in the past. But now - look at the serious trouble that record companies are in today because of this narrow corporate mindset! Performers need to lead the charge into other modes. Here, I'm mainly talking about what already exists in the back-catalog. I haven't even mentioned the utterly unholy option of performers championing newly composed music. Chris --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ho! Ho! Here comes the voice of the big elitist: the worst possible thing for classical music is for it to become popularized. In the world of pop culture, to loosely paraphrase Oscar Wilde, the only thing worse for classical music than *not* being talked about is for it to *be* talked about. ;-) David R On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:39 AM, EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote: lushly lifeless interpretation of Pachelbel's Canon directly into their brains. With the Canon's new fame?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: For ambitious lutenists - iTunes
that is to say ... consensus view - sorry - ed. --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a worth contributor to the list contacted me privately to say that feelings is actually a braziian song called dime and takes on a different character when played in a ... HIP manner and placed in the context of Jobim and Charlie Byrd. couldn't agree more with him about the latter but not so sure about the stringency of HIP. taken as one of many influences it's wonderful but as an end in and of itself it's just plain dull (imho). sting's success with his dowland recordings suggests that any artist who acknowledges HIP but not be burdened with it - takes something other than a concensus view of it - can bring new life to the material. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, With the possible exception of jazz, classical music is confronted with a uniquely problematic practice right now that prevents it from becoming a successful commercial item: its made up of the same _exact_ stuff over and over. To use Pachelbel as an example - outside of specialists, who knows any other piece of music by JP other than the infamous Variations Over a Ground Bass in D Major? Yet there is a whole body of work by this guy including organ works, choral music, etc. Why is it that we don't hear more? There are a number of complex issues such as audience expectations and promotional issues, but the core responsibility lies with the fact that performers themselves just don't play JP's other stuff very often. Look at pop music (I use it in a very broad sense of not classical) on the other hand. Covers exist but most acts are always presenting _new_ music. (This music is, of course, not new stylistically - it consistently follows rather narrow formulae.) If our genre is going to survive, classical musicians need to at least delve into some of the great unknown repertoire out there more often. Discovering neglected gems was the operative philosophy of the Early Music movement when it first began, but now we too have largely ossified into predictable patterns of the same pieces by the same composers again and again. Just look to see how many different recordings of Dowland are out there. Now look to see how many recordings of the music of, say, Buddy Holly, you'll find by people other than Buddy Holly himself. Undoubtedly you'll find folks recording a Holly song here or there, but when its done it is rather like an added spice that makes up the meal of one's career built on other, previously unheard, songs. Yes, all of this concentration on a few items was at the urging of record companies who saw that it was easier to package, market, and sell classical albums to the consumer if they were classified by recognizable-name composers and greatest hit repertoire. That was in the past. But now - look at the serious trouble that record companies are in today because of this narrow corporate mindset! Performers need to lead the charge into other modes. Here, I'm mainly talking about what already exists in the back-catalog. I haven't even mentioned the utterly unholy option of performers championing newly composed music. Chris --- David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ho! Ho! Here comes the voice of the big elitist: the worst possible thing for classical music is for it to become popularized. In the world of pop culture, to loosely paraphrase Oscar Wilde, the only thing worse for classical music than *not* being talked about is for it to *be* talked about. ;-) David R On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: On Jan 20, 2007, at 9:39 AM, EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote: lushly lifeless interpretation of Pachelbel's Canon directly into their brains. With the Canon's new fame?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rastallmusic.com -- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html === message truncated
[LUTE] Re: For ambitious lutenists - iTunes
--- EUGENE BRAIG IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... lushly lifeless interpretation of Pachelbel's Canon directly into their brains. Beware ye who gig weddings! could be worse ... FEE-LINGS ... NOTHING MORE THAN FEE-LINGS! ... (whoa-a-whoa) ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute videos
.. gedda'mac ... (smile sign) - bill --- Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm replying to myself to ask a question. In the words of Hagrid, I shouldna said tha' It looks great (all I did yesterday was look at what's on offer), but today I tried to look at the videos and I can't actually see them. They're on an rtps server, and Windows tells me it can't read them. There's some stuff I'd really like to look at - can anyone out there tell me what I need to install? Please? Tony - Original Message - From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; magnus andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute videos Not a lot of lute, but what an amazing resource! Thanks Tony - Original Message - From: magnus andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] lute videos Dear lute-netters around the globe, I just stumbled upon this amazing site=0Aat http://itc.uci.edu/~rgarfias/kiosk/media.html =0Awhere many different lutes can be seen played by various prominent performers. =0A=0A=0Aall the best/=0A =0Amagnus=0A=0A=0A =0A=0AGet your own web address. =0AHave a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.=0Ahttp://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] paper on how vihuela became charango
not one of your favorite topics - i know - but it's an interesting paper and well researched ... besides, it's been such a long time ... http://www.sibetrans.com/trans/trans8/baumann.htm posted by martyn, here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Charango/ - bill ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Burns Night
yes - Scots Wha' Hae ... and if you haven't already contacted him (or her), ask one of the many pipers you admire to join in. it can be sung, dirge like - as burns intended it - but carried on, up-tempo, into a rather rousing, toe-tapping ditty. - bill --- Charles Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Late again! Has anybody any suggestions for an encore for Soprano+lute at a Burns night Supper. ? thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[LUTE] ot in extremis
anyone seen the news programs on aljazeera.english yet? it's a new day. - bill ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] xmas goodies
while i work out arto's wonderful xmas present on my charango, i though you might like to try this for some absolutely delicious holiday nosh: walnuts - whole or half - tossed lightly in olive oil with a sprinkling of salt, pepper and - wait for it! - cinnamon! (secret ingredient ... ) toasted in medium oven, shaken every so often and watched closely so they don't burn. buon natale a tutti - bill ___ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute sighting
painful ... eyemake-up was essential however. --- Doc Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this one leaves me speechless, but check out the right hand towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56WO5ctL8E Actually, I've been trying to find the videos of Hopkinson Smith playing Bach. Does anyone know where they are? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
just out of curiosity, does any negative, contemporary criticism exist for the way dowland performed? did anyone record the comments of others or personally put pen to paper, accusing him of arrogance or being a poseur - piqued commentary borne of envy, perhaps? - bill Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sting!
i'm thinking of singing a few dowland songs myself - probably with charango accompaniment. who do i have to check with? haven't paid my dues - ever - but i'm with the union! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In einer eMail vom 23.11.2006 01:38:23 Westeurop=E4ische Normalzeit schreibt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If he ever comes to Montreal to perform this stuff, I really hope the lutenists around me are going to tell him what we think. I wouldn't get so worked up about it. Everything of course you say is probably true, but in the music buisness at the level that Sting works the truth is not always the best way to sell records. I just wanted to offer you some comic relief not dig that whole Sting thing up again, that is way over, on all accounts. A couple of days ago a German rock magazine published an article about my ensemble pantagruel's new CD Elizium. . The magazine sells about 50,000, so at least a few younger listeners get an idea of what a HIP performance can be about. You can read an English translation here... http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.viewfriendID928060; blogID=196138740MyToken=c848abc2-f8b7-4bd6-9c86-3797c3dde9fc I expect the usual candidates will all get up about black nail varnish etc, but all I can say to them is I am still practising my 'watch me, because I'm really good' thang:) best wishes Mark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[LUTE] genuine, verifiable, historically informed performance
the adam and eve music festival ... i invision a two-part program consisting of contented (if aimless) humming followed by sighs of the ol' ennui in the first half, leading to gasps of consternation and gnashing of teeth in the second. identifiable tunes - snatches of, or in total - from any period subsequent to this earliest of early musical epochs will be severely frowned upon but wailing - particularly towards the end of the second-half of the program - will be given the HIP nod. while it's possible that HE put his hands together, as he dusted them off on the evening of the 6th day, we can not be 100% certain that rhythmic elements formed part of a e's original repertoire. therefore, finger-popping, hand-clapping or any other wildly uncorroborated, later-day, hand-jiving flights of fancy must be viewed as decidedly un-HIP ... whistlers will be expelled from the venue immediately. costumes (wedding tackle - either/or) may vary and while pukkah, primogenitor gear is preferred, HIP-approved, latex/silicone re-enacter kits will be available for a less-than-modest price from hank and monique in the dupont courtesy tent. no snakes. documentation for this exclusively vocal period in musical development is impressive - to say the least. while commentators in any of the subsequent musical periods were restricted to only that which could be experienced in, of, or by themselves, with adam and eve we have authorative, manifestly supreme, HIP from HIM. book now! ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question
in days of old ... wasn't the majority of musical knowledge passed from one to another in a show me how you did that ... situation - where one person played and another one copied? tabs or notation - either/or - was simply for those unfortunates without the prime benefit of someone better to play with. --- Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't a small advantage for the tabulature be that a specific position for obtaining a note can be made explicit? The tone could be different according to the way it is acheived (e.g; open strings or not), or am I completely mistaken, here? It is late and I might be becoming a little confused. Anthony Le 14 nov. 06 à 19:50, Are Vidar Boye Hansen a écrit : I hope Stewart will explain it himself! Are I'm a novice, which explains why I don't understand Mr. McCoy's assertion. Can you explain it? On 11/14/06, Are Vidar Boye Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if that's the case, why use tablature? Really. Is there any other reason? I think Stewart McCoy claimed that tabulature is an excellent way of notating polyphonic music for a plucked instrument. Anyway, lutenists did play from score, just think of continuo playing. I am certain that you will find that its not difficult to play from score if you practice a little. mvh Are -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The Muscat Oud Festival - The Non-Pop Side of Arabic Music
thank you mathais for that. before sky replaced whatever there was before it here in italy, we used to be able to get tv stations from all over north africa and the middle east - oman was always a treat for ouds. ciao - bill --- Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-310/_nr-356/i.html -- Best, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. The New Version is radically easier to use The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
