[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Here's one chromatic Pavan by William Corkine, very beautiful. Ayres to sing and play, v.1 (1610), f.e1va http://gerbode.net/sources/Corkine/v_1_1610/lute/pdf/14_pavane_lute.pdf William Corkine seems to have quite a unique style, unlike everything I have tried to play yet. This other Pavan by Corkine is also very beautiful with some chromatics: http://gerbode.net/sources/Corkine/v_1_1610/lute/pdf/18_pavane_lute.pdf and this one from Vol. 2, though no chromatics, just beautifully set. http://gerbode.net/sources/Corkine/v_2_1612/lute/pdf/29_pavane_lute.pdf Am 19.12.2017 um 21:37 schrieb G. C.: So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces: Gostena Fantasia 25 Molinaro Fantasia 12 Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan Aegidius #22 Galliard Picinnini Toccata Cromatica Castaldi Cromatica Corrente Gregorio Huwett Fantasia Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico Bach BWV 997 fuga All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s? G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Thanks to Alain for spotting a new one! As I see it, there should be a chromatic theme that is considerable within the piece, not just a chromatic modulation or two. The Doni lute book recently mentioned seems to have potential entries. :) G. On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: That's funny. I played just today from the Cherbury Book (and failed mostly, these pieces are quite tricky). I didn't get to this piece. Thanks! I had looked at it once, but didn't remember. One question: What do you people consider "chromatic"? Do you mean with a chromatic theme or just with passages that feature more than one half tone step in a row? For example would you consider m. 15 in the Preamble 2 from Newsidler Vol. 2. noteworthy in that regard? Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit: Goran, I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list. [2]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/ Cherbury_78.jpg Alain On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote: A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. RÃÃà ¶sel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 2. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
I just looked, it's a transposed version of the Gostena Fantasy 25. Sounds good though. Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit: Goran, I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg Alain On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote: A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
That's funny. I played just today from the Cherbury Book (and failed mostly, these pieces are quite tricky). I didn't get to this piece. Thanks! I had looked at it once, but didn't remember. One question: What do you people consider "chromatic"? Do you mean with a chromatic theme or just with passages that feature more than one half tone step in a row? For example would you consider m. 15 in the Preamble 2 from Newsidler Vol. 2. noteworthy in that regard? Am 19.01.2018 um 21:10 schrieb Alain Veylit: Goran, I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg Alain On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote: A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Goran, I think you could add: Fantasia Diomedes - [Cherbury lute book fol. 38/1] to that list. Apologies if this was already in your list. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/files/images/cherbury/Cherbury_78.jpg Alain On 12/19/2017 02:37 PM, G. C. wrote: A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
For partial chromatic pieces, I seem to recall that Robert De Visee uses chromaticism in his well known D minor suite for lute (the one recorded by Nigel North decades ago), I think in the sarabande. Maybe a De Visee specialist could confirm ... On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16."Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?)CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rà ¶sel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
If you count madrigals: Marenzio's "Venuta era Madonna" from Donaueschingen Lute Book Vol. 3 f.31v some fancy chord progressions for sure. Am 19.12.2017 um 23:37 schrieb G. C.: A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
A quick online archive search also gives a. o. some partial chromatic pieces: 15. Peter Philips Galliard to the Chromatic Pavan 16. "Michelangelo Galilei has some touches of chromaticism. I wonder if Gesualdo's instrumental gagliarda could be transcribed for lute." (Christopher Wilke 2013) As Susan Sandman also suggested recently M. Galilei (Toccata 8) 17. Martino Trio VI Allemande Menuet (?) 18. Arioso from the St John Passion, with all those chromatic bass notes (?) 19. (?) CH.Mouton/Dubut(?): Prelude - Chaconne (track 21 of Lutz Kirchoff's "Lute in Dance and Dream" has a couple of variations with a chromatic line) 20. Charles Mouton Le tocsein (using means of chromatic escalation at the conclusions of the 1st half. M. Rösel) 21. David Kellner Chaconne (In this facsimile, the last variation gets VERY chro matic and discordant, to the point where I wonder if there are errors, or even if the last few lines are misplaced from another piece. D. Shoskes) G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Let's add Michelagnolo Galilei Corrente 16 (slightly chromatic) and the other chromatic Gostena Fantasy is No. 7. (a really nice one indeed, and not as difficult as others in the collection) Am 19.12.2017 um 21:37 schrieb G. C.: So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces: Gostena Fantasia 25 Molinaro Fantasia 12 Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan Aegidius #22 Galliard Picinnini Toccata Cromatica Castaldi Cromatica Corrente Gregorio Huwett Fantasia Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico Bach BWV 997 fuga All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s? G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
14. Kapsberger Corrente 7 for chitarrone Is a small performance program emerging? You'll have to be rather dextrous though! :D G. On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:18 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Eugene! Were up to 13 pieces then with Dowland's 2 :) G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Thanks Eugene! Were up to 13 pieces then with Dowland's 2 :) G. On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Braig, Eugene <[1]brai...@osu.edu> wrote: Clarification: at least two toccatas titled "cromatica" by Piccinini, III and XII from the first lute book (1623). Best, Eugene -- References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Clarification: at least two toccatas titled "cromatica" by Piccinini, III and XII from the first lute book (1623). Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. C. Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:38 PM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces: Gostena Fantasia 25 Molinaro Fantasia 12 Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan Aegidius #22 Galliard Picinnini Toccata Cromatica Castaldi Cromatica Corrente Gregorio Huwett Fantasia Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico Bach BWV 997 fuga All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s? G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
So, to summarize, the quest for a list of chromatic works for lute has upto now given a nice collection of 11 pieces: Gostena Fantasia 25 Molinaro Fantasia 12 Dowland Forlorne Hope and Farewell Peter Phillips Dolorosa Pavan Aegidius #22 Galliard Picinnini Toccata Cromatica Castaldi Cromatica Corrente Gregorio Huwett Fantasia Nicolas Vallet Fantasya Mendiante Pietro Paolo Melli Capriccio Chromatico Bach BWV 997 fuga All except BWV 997 from ca. 1590 to 1630s? G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:06 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? G. -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
On 17.12.2017 22:31, G. C. wrote: Caro Francesco, Molto bello indeed! I encoded this piece into fronimo today. But... _ |_c___| |_c___| |_e___| |_| |_| On page 18 of 2nd book, first chord third measure c2-c3-e4 this does not sound right. Any suggestions? First book! And ninth course d# correct? What about 8th course? E natural no? See the tuning instructions in the index: La huitiesme au c [of the second course]. La neufieme au b. La dixie.a la cinqiéme. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Got it thanks to Ron. Incroyable! _ |_c___| |_e___| |_e___| |_| |_| G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
You're right Ralf, I might have gotten a bit carried away, remembering (wrongly) and not checking :) Late saturday meanderings... Sorry! G -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Am Samstag, 16. Dezember 2017 23:49 CET, "G. C." schrieb: >And lets not forget > > [1]FantasÃa que contrahaze la harpa en la manera de Ludovico That's not a chromatic piece at all - where do you see a chromatic step? Cheers, Ralf Mattes > >G. > >-- > > References > >1. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg32717.html > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Caro Francesco, Molto bello indeed! I encoded this piece into fronimo today. But... _ |_c___| |_c___| |_e___| |_| |_| On page 18 of 2nd book, first chord third measure c2-c3-e4 this does not sound right. Any suggestions? And ninth course d# correct? What about 8th course? E natural no? On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 9:30 AM, [1]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it <[2]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> wrote: Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful Francesco -- References 1. mailto:tribi...@arcetri.astro.it 2. mailto:tribi...@arcetri.astro.it To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Forlorne Hope and Farwell by Dowland? A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Francisco Goya > On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:06 AM, Edward Martin wrote: > > Yes there is a contemporary tablature of BWV 997, but the fuga and > double to the gigue are omitted! So, you are correct, Mathias! > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: > >__ > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App > --- Original-Nachricht --- > Von: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works > Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr > An: Baroque Lute Net > Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking > the > initial post asked for tablatures. > Mathias >__ > Gesendet mit der [2]Telekom Mail App > --- Original-Nachricht --- > Von: G. C. > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works > Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:46 Uhr > An: Liuto Internazionale > Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :) > Thanks Ed! > G. > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin > <[1]edvihuela12@[3][4]gmail.com>; wrote: > Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij > I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV > 997 > -- > References > 1. mailto:[5]edvihuela12@[4][6]gmail.com > To get on or off this list see list information at > > [5][7]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=VxFxV7babvB9sh0a1SXnu1CXG3YipFef-xdENB3cNdM&e= > -- > References > 1. > [8]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.t-2Donline.de_service_redir_email-5Fapp-5F&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=OEIhsd5kranP0vAgwha2jdaR0PMc2ckscoLOAt8FhXY&e= > android_sendmail_footer.htm > 2. > [9]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.t-2Donline.de_service_redir_email-5Fapp-5F&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=OEIhsd5kranP0vAgwha2jdaR0PMc2ckscoLOAt8FhXY&e= > android_sendmail_footer.htm > 3. > [10]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gmail.com&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=94b5DSNZADSlq-zJcRuhmLL1-EsbGCFIDx704nL4RsE&e=>/ > 4. > [11]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gmail.com_&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=UttH02bp1lRhPB2QR2xLdiBroTHEImdJ3ZsSgg6k-YQ&e= > 5. > [12]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=VxFxV7babvB9sh0a1SXnu1CXG3YipFef-xdENB3cNdM&e= > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de > 2. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de > 3. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de > 4. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gmail.com_&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=UttH02bp1lRhPB2QR2xLdiBroTHEImdJ3ZsSgg6k-YQ&e= > 5. mailto:edvihuela12@ > 6. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gmail.com_&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=UttH02bp1lRhPB2QR2xLdiBroTHEImdJ3ZsSgg6k-YQ&e= > 7. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html&d=DwIBAg&c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ&r=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E&m=kJURv3jCidsitoU9RELFl1JzJFLbDwf3-0Kv5LJ9QGM&s=VxFxV7babvB9sh0a1SXnu1CXG3YipFef-xdENB3cNdM&e= > 8. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/ur
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Yes there is a contemporary tablature of BWV 997, but the fuga and double to the gigue are omitted! So, you are correct, Mathias! On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr An: Baroque Lute Net Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking the initial post asked for tablatures. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [2]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: G. C. Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:46 Uhr An: Liuto Internazionale Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :) Thanks Ed! G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin <[1]edvihuela12@[3][4]gmail.com>; wrote: Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV 997 -- References 1. mailto:[5]edvihuela12@[4][6]gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [5][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [8]http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_ android_sendmail_footer.htm 2. [9]http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_ android_sendmail_footer.htm 3. [10]http://gmail.com>/ 4. [11]http://gmail.com/ 5. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 3. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 4. http://gmail.com/ 5. mailto:edvihuela12@ 6. http://gmail.com/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_sendmail_footer.htm 9. http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_sendmail_footer.htm 10. http://gmail.com/ 11. http://gmail.com/ 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
...and some more: Claudio Saracini - 2 Toccatas for archlute in "Le musiche", Venice 1614 Rainer __ SEICENTO-Notenversand Rainer Luckhardt Holbeinstrasse 12 D-79312 Emmendingen Tel. ++49/(0)7641 - 932803 Internet: www.seicentomusic.de Am 17.12.2017 um 12:08 schrieb G. C.: No, D-Leipzig III.11.5 doesn't contain it? G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr An: Baroque Lute Net Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking the initial post asked for tablatures. Mathias -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
No, D-Leipzig III.11.5 doesn't contain it? G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:58 AM, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr An: Baroque Lute Net Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking the initial post asked for tablatures. Mathias -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
__ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: mathias.roe...@t-online.de Betreff: Re: Chromatic lute works Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:57 Uhr An: Baroque Lute Net Is there a contemporary lute tablature of BWV 997? I was thinking the initial post asked for tablatures. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [2]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: G. C. Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works Datum: 17.12.2017, 11:46 Uhr An: Liuto Internazionale Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :) Thanks Ed! G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin <[1]edvihuela12@[3]gmail.com>; wrote: Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV 997 -- References 1. mailto:edvihuela12@[4]gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_sendmail_footer.htm 2. http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_sendmail_footer.htm 3. http://gmail.com>/ 4. http://gmail.com/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Yes, how could one have forgotten BWV 997 :) Thanks Ed! G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV 997 -- References 1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Capriccio Chromatico by Pietro Paolo Melij I am surprised nobody listed the fugue in c minor by JS Bach, BWV 997 On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 2:34 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote: You mean « la mendiante » Francesco! A nice piece indeed ;-)! Best wishes, Jean-Marie > Le 17 déc. 2017 à 09:30, "[2]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it" <[3]tribi...@arcetri.astro.it> a écrit : > >Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful >Francesco >- Rispondi al messaggio - >Da: "Tristan von Neumann" <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> >A: "lutelist Net" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works >Data: dom, dic 17, 2017 02:22 > > Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1. > > It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive. > >> Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.: >> I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces >> available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips >> dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? >> G. >>> -- >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > References > >1. [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr 2. mailto:tribi...@arcetri.astro.it 3. mailto:tribi...@arcetri.astro.it 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
You mean « la mendiante » Francesco! A nice piece indeed ;-)! Best wishes, Jean-Marie > Le 17 déc. 2017 à 09:30, "tribi...@arcetri.astro.it" > a écrit : > > Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful > Francesco > - Rispondi al messaggio - > Da: "Tristan von Neumann" > A: "lutelist Net" > Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works > Data: dom, dic 17, 2017 02:22 > > Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1. > > It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive. > >> Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.: >>I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces >>available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips >>dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? >>G. >>>-- >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > References > > 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Also Nicolas Vallet, fantasia mediante. Very beautiful Francesco - Rispondi al messaggio - Da: "Tristan von Neumann" A: "lutelist Net" Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works Data: dom, dic 17, 2017 02:22 Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1. It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive. Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.: > I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces > available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips > dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? > G. > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Also Spinacino's Ricercar 17 from Volume 1. It's not chromatic per se, but cadences on 12 tones are quite impressive. Am 16.12.2017 um 22:06 schrieb G. C.: I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
"No, let chromatic tunes" Really. No kidding. Am 17.12.2017 um 01:09 schrieb G. C.: Dear Jelma, which ones? G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Jelma van Amersfoort <[1]jel...@gmail.com> wrote: There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel. Jelma -- References 1. mailto:jel...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Dear Jelma, which ones? G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Jelma van Amersfoort <[1]jel...@gmail.com> wrote: There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel. Jelma -- References 1. mailto:jel...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
There are very chromatic lute songs by John Danyel. Jelma > On 16 Dec 2017, at 22:06, G. C. wrote: > > I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces > available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips > dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? > G. > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Thanks for Hewitt and Picinnini Eugene Castaldi definitely counts :) G. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:24 AM, Braig, Eugene <[1]brai...@osu.edu> wrote: How 'bout the Gregorio Huwett fantasia (the more famous one recorded by Bream, O'Dette, etc.)? (I really like that one.) . . . or Piccinini's couple works titled "Toccata Cromatica"? . . . or even Castaldi's " Cromatica Corrente"? (Does chitarrone count?) Eugene -- References 1. mailto:brai...@osu.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
How 'bout the Gregorio Huwett fantasia (the more famous one recorded by Bream, O'Dette, etc.)? (I really like that one.) . . . or Piccinini's couple works titled "Toccata Cromatica"? . . . or even Castaldi's " Cromatica Corrente"? (Does chitarrone count?) Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. C. Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:00 PM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works :) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan. G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman <[1]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote: Vincenzo Galilei. It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available. Kapsberger? -- References 1. mailto:susan.sand...@gmail.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
I can't find it right now, but one other Gostena Fantasy has some chromatic steps. Also, Gregorius Howet has one with a slightly chromatic theme. In the Donaueschingen Lutebook there are some madrigal intavolations with more extravagant harmonies. Am 16.12.2017 um 22:29 schrieb Miles Dempster: Here’s one… Fantasia XXV by Gio. Battista dalla Gostena from Intavolatura di Liuto di Simone Molinaro - Libro Primo (1599) Miles On Dec 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C. wrote: I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Sorry, I meant Michelangelo Galilei. The piece I tried was Toccata 8. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:59 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: :) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan. G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman <[1][2]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote: Vincenzo Galilei. It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2][3]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available. Kapsberger? -- References 1. mailto:[4]susan.sand...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[5]kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. mailto:susan.sand...@gmail.com 3. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 4. mailto:susan.sand...@gmail.com 5. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
:) an old friend of mine! Specifics please Susan. G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Susan Sandman <[1]susan.sand...@gmail.com> wrote: Vincenzo Galilei. It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available. Kapsberger? -- References 1. mailto:susan.sand...@gmail.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Vincenzo Galilei. It's hard, but has delightfully chromatic harmony. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available. Kapsberger? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
And Gesualdo for sure, if there were any Gesualdo pieces available. Kapsberger? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
And lets not forget [1]FantasÃa que contrahaze la harpa en la manera de Ludovico G. -- References 1. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg32717.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
I suppose, Molinaro's own fantasia 12 also qualifies? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Thanks Miles! G. On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Miles Dempster <[1]miles.demps...@gmail.com> wrote: Here's one⦠Fantasia XXV by Gio. Battista dalla Gostena from Intavolatura di Liuto di Simone Molinaro - Libro Primo (1599) Miles > On Dec 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C. <[2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces >available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips >dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? >G. > >-- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- -- References 1. mailto:miles.demps...@gmail.com 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chromatic lute works
Hereâs one⦠Fantasia XXV by Gio. Battista dalla Gostena from Intavolatura di Liuto di Simone Molinaro - Libro Primo (1599) Miles > On Dec 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, G. C. wrote: > > I imagine there is not a great number of chromatic lute pieces > available. Dowland and Aegidius come to mind, as well as the Phillips > dolorosa pavan. Has someone yet surveyed the available ones? > G. > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
