[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Just now came to my attention a rather rare event:

Obviously last Thursday there was an Early Music Jam Session
at "Morrison's Traditional Irish Pub" in Leipzig, Saxony, Germany.

It was "#2", so I guess this is a series of events :)

Sadly, I'm from Hamburg, but maybe some players of various instruments 
live in the Leipzig area.
You should support such an event, because you probably get in touch with 
other players and new audiences.


I would found such an event in Hamburg, I even might have a venue 
available for it. Is there anyone from Hamburg or does anyone know Early 
Music folk in Hamburg?




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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[William Brohinsky]

   Some personal observations, If I may:
   People in Convalescent and Recuperation facilities come in two
   varieties, those who are recovering from debilitating injuries which
   limit movement or self-support enough to require that kind of care, but
   not hospitalization, or those who are utterly debilitated or dying and
   for whom care other than immediate hospital facilities are not required
   (or have been refused.)
   In general, these two subdivide in three groups as well: those who are
   depressed by their condition, and those who are not, whether by a
   naturally sunny disposition or Faith.
   And the people you will encounter there are not only those in care:
   they have families who visit, and the staff are not deaf.
   As part of our family's ministry, we visit a nearby convalescent home
   (nearby in Rural Southeastern Connecticut means within 30 miles) with
   members of our church, which makes a very small group indeed.
   We provide
   accompaniment for hymn singing, largely. As many of our family as can
   come do, and depending on our forces, we also sing a few of our
   family-group's songs, among which is Praetorius' Psallite. As with all
   performance which is successful, sensitivity to the needs and minds of
   the audience is as important as 'flogging our stuff'.
   Some of our audience are completely unresponsive in appearance, but
   some of them can still hear and understand. They are usually brought
   because the staff wants them to have some experiences even if it
   doesn't seem like they are. All the rest are their because they choose
   to be. Often, we get their families, as well, some of whom make a point
   now of visiting extra when they know we will be there.
   We have a set time of the month that we come, arranged with the home's
   recreation director. This has the benefit that they know we're coming
   and we know they're going to be expecting us.
   The real point here, though, is that most of these folk are suffering
   and/or sad. They don't need an intellectual exercise in melancholie, so
   we don't do a lot of Renaissance music: the times, they have a-changed,
   and that lovely, noble and serious mode that sounds minor today is
   perceived as sad and mournful. That frivolous mode that was considered
   so inappropriate for Church and State is now considered the noble and
   enjoyable major key.
   I am, I have to admit, appalled by 'serious musicians' who 'didn't get
   a music degree to play elevator music at faires', who 'can't play that
   gig unless I'm paid' and who don't enjoy making music for the pleasure
   of making music. It has long been my feeling that, regardless of their
   fine speeches, such people tend to become lazy, finding that their
   audiences will pay just as much for poor intonation and inattentive
   performance as for the finest work possible, and deciding that they
   didn't get their music degree to work harder for their pittance than
   they have to.
   I find Scottish Country Dance, at least as practiced around here, to
   have the most delightful aspect of any dance I've encountered: Being a
   social phenomenon, the dancers are encouraged to smile to one another,
   despite straight backed, formulaeic moves. The result is surprising: if
   my joints hurt, they hurt less. If my partner is clumsy, the cheerful
   demeanor makes bruised toes more tolerable. And those who watch the set
   pieces from the sidelines enjoy the dance far more than if the dancers
   are concentrating hard and looking cross. I find this caries well into
   music performance, and that those who put themselves to the test of
   remaining cheerful while entertaining others tend to be more able to be
   entertaining when being paid.
   aying paid gigs where you are the center of attention.
   I have yet, in 50 years of reading treatises, to find one that advises
   the musician to adopt an attitude of "I'm better than these cretins",
   encourages inegelant motion, awkward posture and hand positions, or any
   such thing. Perhaps, if Stockhausen wrote for lute, a feral mein,
   clawed hand, hunched posture and grasping business manner would be
   appropriate. Thank God he didn't, then!
   Sometimes we forget, playing instruments which are not in common,
   modern use, that much of their original purpose was entertainment, and
   especially in the Golden Age, both lute and viol were played, in
   chamber as well as among others, by amateurs who sought to entertain
   themselves and others. Even Dowland, whom many see as the Lute's
   greatest composer and performer, turns out to have been employed for
   other and much more important work as emissary, diplomat and perhaps
   even spy. If you aren't enjoying your music, it's very likely you
   aren't alone. If you are too concerned over 'getting it right' to ever
   get around to 'getting it out', maybe you'd be better off with a
   pastime that pays better or better feeds your soul.
   I had a 

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Lynda Kraar]

   I've taken the lute to bedside at Holy Name hospital in Teaneck NJ and
   Mount Sinai in NYC. Only issue was with older patients who had hearing
   difficulties - especially those who are on respirators. But the visual
   was always enthusiastically received - the brain always lights up when
   it is experiencing something positive and new. If requested, I'd play
   contemporary songs on it. All is fair game.

   I've also taken the lute to Bergen Community College where I passed it
   around to all the guitar students. They were blown away. Lots of
   questions.
   I've been performing with Musicians on Call at bedside in hospitals in
   the metro NYC area for 12 years or more - now with mostly contemporary
   songs, me on guitar, and with my singing partner.
   If anyone is interested in this volunteer program (lutes are welcome)
   please reach out either to me or directly to MOC. There are programs in
   the USA and maybe by now in Canada.
   Cheers,
   Lynda
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   On Jan 5, 2018, at 3:45 AM, "[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de"
   <[3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:

 I take my lute once a week to the kindergarten. The children love the
 sound and start singing once they see it. We sing their songs, of
 course, but the divisions I do for every stanza would fit renaissance
 music just as well.
 And I take it to hospital for visits. I don't open the suitcase
   unless
 requested, but when I do, most patients love it. One advantage of
 hospitals in terms of acoustics is that the floors are of very hard
 material. You may effortlessly play short easy pieces in slow pace.
 Mathias
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     Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life
 Datum: 05.01.2018, 0:22 Uhr
 An: Alain Veylit
 Cc: lutelist Net
 I have played in them as well and most of the people there are in the
 80s, a lot with some kind of dementia, so they like pop tunes from
 their
 youth. I talked with someone at one of those places last year and she
 said that our kind of music works better in retirement homes in
   upscale
 communities with more of the demographic that might have been concert
 goers in their youth.
 I have also played in restaurants and coffee shops over the years.
 Chains don not work at all - they want each of their places to be
 exactly the same and lute music does not fit with their corporate
 image.   Here in California even the ones that are not part of a
   chain
 like to look they are a chain and have done their research about the
 local communities they draw from. The last one I played at was fine
 until a new owner came in and decided that looking like a sport bar
   was
 a better image to make more money.   That said, if I had a mailing
   list
 of active lute music fans, I probably would have been able to stay
 there
 playing in what was a dead time in their schedule.
 Nancy

 I remember playing at a "retirement home" once. Most depressing
 thing

 ever - the pensioners were all down on heavy drugs and one foot away

 from the grave... or one push of the wheelchair away, more

 accurately.   After that, playing at the veterans hospital was a

 truly

 joyful experience. You do the gigs you can, specially when they are

 payed.

 One of my friends, a jazz player with a golden album, used to play
 in

 local bars and got minimal audiences with minimal attention spans
 for

 music. Jazz is still popular in Europe, but all but dead here. Part

 of

 it I think are the venues: streets, metro stations and restaurants
 in

 Europe lend themselves to music, particularly in the summer.

 Any brave soul tried to play at a McDonald's or a Starbucks?? I am

 wondering how many seconds it would take to see them ejected by

 "management".

 Also, watching The Blues Brothers does not encourage acts of musical

 bravery in local bars deep inland...

 On 01/04/2018 01:57 PM, John Mardinly wrote:

  I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead

 balloon.

  Classical guitar was better received.

  A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.

  The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters

  Francisco Goya

  On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann

  <[1]tristanvonneumann@[2][4]gmx.de>; wrote:

  My proposition would be the following:

  Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!

  If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc.,

 a

 dulcian

 

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Good to know. I had the idea once, but I'm not good enough yet.
Now I'll probably never try.
An explanation coudl be that the sound of the Lute is just too 
beautiful, and the pieces timeless. Dying people may get into a 
melancholy state that makes them uncomfortable.
A friend played at a Mexican women's prison once. They wanted rock, but 
he said "I'm gonna play Renaissance music or no music at all".

After some pieces they wouldn't let him go.


Am 04.01.2018 um 22:57 schrieb John Mardinly:

I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead balloon.
Classical guitar was better received.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya

On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

My proposition would be the following:
Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc., a dulcian
and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance percussion.
If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.
Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam Session".
When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of respective
jazz musicians.
Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc., throw in
some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do virtuoso
solos. I bet the audience will have fun.
Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.
Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb
[2]theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:

 Having friends in psychology, economics, and
  marketing/advertising, we
 have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion
  was that
 most artists (including early music artists) ought not be
  lamenting
 about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but
  rather they
 should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think about
  it,
 if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will
  bringing
 alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting
  atmosphere
 for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this
  problem
 and their partial (yet successful) solution are the multimedia
 programs; live performance of film music over film clips of Harry
 Potter, Star Wars, etc.
 The fact (sad or not) is that audiences have MANY distractions
  pulling
 their attention nowadays. Music alone, no matter how pure or
 inspirational, won't draw an audience as much as music PLUS
  something
 else - drama or a story, visuals, alcohol, dance, etc. I think it
  would
 behoove early music artists to start thinking about this and
 corroborating and creating more engaging programs. And there are
 successful examples of this out there, but there needs to be
  more.
 One more thing, I am also reminded of a program done years ago by
 Steven Wade (?) called 'Banjo Dancing' (?). He performed as one
  man
 with a banjo. He played, told stories, sang, and had a truly
  engaging
 performance. And it drew audiences. There is absolutely no reason
  why
 something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist given some
  talent and
 hard work in creating such a stage performance. And as a
  disclaimer, I
 am not a professional musician, so these are merely my opinions,
 looking in from the outside.
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[mathias.roe...@t-online.de]

   I take my lute once a week to the kindergarten. The children love the
   sound and start singing once they see it. We sing their songs, of
   course, but the divisions I do for every stanza would fit renaissance
   music just as well.
   And I take it to hospital for visits. I don't open the suitcase unless
   requested, but when I do, most patients love it. One advantage of
   hospitals in terms of acoustics is that the floors are of very hard
   material. You may effortlessly play short easy pieces in slow pace.
   Mathias
 __

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   --- Original-Nachricht ---
   Von: Nancy Carlin
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life
   Datum: 05.01.2018, 0:22 Uhr
   An: Alain Veylit
   Cc: lutelist Net

   I have played in them as well and most of the people there are in the
   80s, a lot with some kind of dementia, so they like pop tunes from
   their
   youth. I talked with someone at one of those places last year and she
   said that our kind of music works better in retirement homes in upscale
   communities with more of the demographic that might have been concert
   goers in their youth.
   I have also played in restaurants and coffee shops over the years.
   Chains don not work at all - they want each of their places to be
   exactly the same and lute music does not fit with their corporate
   image.   Here in California even the ones that are not part of a chain
   like to look they are a chain and have done their research about the
   local communities they draw from. The last one I played at was fine
   until a new owner came in and decided that looking like a sport bar was
   a better image to make more money.   That said, if I had a mailing list
   of active lute music fans, I probably would have been able to stay
   there
   playing in what was a dead time in their schedule.
   Nancy
   > I remember playing at a "retirement home" once. Most depressing thing
   > ever - the pensioners were all down on heavy drugs and one foot away
   > from the grave... or one push of the wheelchair away, more
   > accurately.   After that, playing at the veterans hospital was a
   truly
   > joyful experience. You do the gigs you can, specially when they are
   > payed.
   >
   > One of my friends, a jazz player with a golden album, used to play in
   > local bars and got minimal audiences with minimal attention spans for
   > music. Jazz is still popular in Europe, but all but dead here. Part
   of
   > it I think are the venues: streets, metro stations and restaurants in
   > Europe lend themselves to music, particularly in the summer.
   >
   > Any brave soul tried to play at a McDonald's or a Starbucks?? I am
   > wondering how many seconds it would take to see them ejected by
   > "management".
   >
   > Also, watching The Blues Brothers does not encourage acts of musical
   > bravery in local bars deep inland...
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > On 01/04/2018 01:57 PM, John Mardinly wrote:
   >>   I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead
   balloon.
   >>   Classical guitar was better received.
   >>
   >>   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   >>   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   >>   Francisco Goya
   >>
   >>   On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   >>   <[1]tristanvonneumann@[2]gmx.de>; wrote:
   >>
   >>   My proposition would be the following:
   >>   Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
   >>   If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc.,
   a
   >> dulcian
   >>   and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance
   >> percussion.
   >>   If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.
   >>   Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam
   Session".
   >>   When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of
   respective
   >>   jazz musicians.
   >>   Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc.,
   >> throw in
   >>   some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do
   >> virtuoso
   >>   solos. I bet the audience will have fun.
   >>   Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.
   >>   Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb
   >>   [2]theoj89294@[3]new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:
   >>
   >> Having friends in psychology, economics, and
   >>   marketing/advertising, we
   >> have had this discussion over beer. And the general
   conclusion
   >>   was that
   >> most artists (including early music artists) ought
   not be
   >&g

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Daniel Shoskes]

My hospital has an ongoing medicine and the arts program. Three rotating 
venues: entrance hall in one of the smaller buildings, an enclosed rooftop 
lounge and the post-surgery family waiting area. Mostly “modern” classical with 
occasional jazz, mostly students from the Cleveland Institute of Music. I’ve 
played 3 times over the years. Once I played vihuela while gowned up for 
someone in reverse isolation. It’s all typically well received but obviously 
it’s more in the genre of background music to help relax people who are 
stressed out rather than hard core rep that requires intense concentration. 
Also, 2 of the 3 locations are worthless for the lute without amplification.

Don’t know if this turns anyone on to a lifetime of music concert going but 
it’s making art and it’s appreciated.

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Nancy Carlin  
> wrote:
> 
> I have played in them as well and most of the people there are in the 80s, a 
> lot with some kind of dementia, so they like pop tunes from their youth. I 
> talked with someone at one of those places last year and she said that our 
> kind of music works better in retirement homes in upscale communities with 
> more of the demographic that might have been concert goers in their youth.
> 
> I have also played in restaurants and coffee shops over the years. Chains don 
> not work at all - they want each of their places to be exactly the same and 
> lute music does not fit with their corporate image.  Here in California even 
> the ones that are not part of a chain like to look they are a chain and have 
> done their research about the local communities they draw from. The last one 
> I played at was fine until a new owner came in and decided that looking like 
> a sport bar was a better image to make more money.  That said, if I had a 
> mailing list of active lute music fans, I probably would have been able to 
> stay there playing in what was a dead time in their schedule.
> Nancy
>> I remember playing at a "retirement home" once. Most depressing thing ever - 
>> the pensioners were all down on heavy drugs and one foot away from the 
>> grave... or one push of the wheelchair away, more accurately.  After that, 
>> playing at the veterans hospital was a truly joyful experience. You do the 
>> gigs you can, specially when they are payed.
>> 
>> One of my friends, a jazz player with a golden album, used to play in local 
>> bars and got minimal audiences with minimal attention spans for music. Jazz 
>> is still popular in Europe, but all but dead here. Part of it I think are 
>> the venues: streets, metro stations and restaurants in Europe lend 
>> themselves to music, particularly in the summer.
>> 
>> Any brave soul tried to play at a McDonald's or a Starbucks?? I am wondering 
>> how many seconds it would take to see them ejected by "management".
>> 
>> Also, watching The Blues Brothers does not encourage acts of musical bravery 
>> in local bars deep inland...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/04/2018 01:57 PM, John Mardinly wrote:
>>> I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead balloon.
>>> Classical guitar was better received.
>>> 
>>> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>>> The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
>>> Francisco Goya
>>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann
>>> <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My proposition would be the following:
>>> Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
>>> If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc., a dulcian
>>> and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance percussion.
>>> If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.
>>> Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam Session".
>>> When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of respective
>>> jazz musicians.
>>> Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc., throw in
>>> some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do virtuoso
>>> solos. I bet the audience will have fun.
>>> Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.
>>> Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb
>>> [2]theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:
>>> 
>>>  Having friends in psychology, economics, and
>>>   marketing/advertising, we
>>>  have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion
>>>   was that
>>>  most artists (including early music artists) ought not be
>>>   lamenting
>>>  about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but
>>>   rather they
>>>  should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think about
>>>   it,
>>>  if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will
>>>   bringing
>>>  alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting
>>>   atmosphere
>>>  for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this
>>>   

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Nancy Carlin]

I have played in them as well and most of the people there are in the 
80s, a lot with some kind of dementia, so they like pop tunes from their 
youth. I talked with someone at one of those places last year and she 
said that our kind of music works better in retirement homes in upscale 
communities with more of the demographic that might have been concert 
goers in their youth.


I have also played in restaurants and coffee shops over the years. 
Chains don not work at all - they want each of their places to be 
exactly the same and lute music does not fit with their corporate 
image.  Here in California even the ones that are not part of a chain 
like to look they are a chain and have done their research about the 
local communities they draw from. The last one I played at was fine 
until a new owner came in and decided that looking like a sport bar was 
a better image to make more money.  That said, if I had a mailing list 
of active lute music fans, I probably would have been able to stay there 
playing in what was a dead time in their schedule.

Nancy
I remember playing at a "retirement home" once. Most depressing thing 
ever - the pensioners were all down on heavy drugs and one foot away 
from the grave... or one push of the wheelchair away, more 
accurately.  After that, playing at the veterans hospital was a truly 
joyful experience. You do the gigs you can, specially when they are 
payed.


One of my friends, a jazz player with a golden album, used to play in 
local bars and got minimal audiences with minimal attention spans for 
music. Jazz is still popular in Europe, but all but dead here. Part of 
it I think are the venues: streets, metro stations and restaurants in 
Europe lend themselves to music, particularly in the summer.


Any brave soul tried to play at a McDonald's or a Starbucks?? I am 
wondering how many seconds it would take to see them ejected by 
"management".


Also, watching The Blues Brothers does not encourage acts of musical 
bravery in local bars deep inland...






On 01/04/2018 01:57 PM, John Mardinly wrote:

    I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead balloon.
    Classical guitar was better received.

    A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
    The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
    Francisco Goya

    On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann
    <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

    My proposition would be the following:
    Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
    If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc., a 
dulcian
    and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance 
percussion.

    If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.
    Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam Session".
    When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of respective
    jazz musicians.
    Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc., 
throw in
    some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do 
virtuoso

    solos. I bet the audience will have fun.
    Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.
    Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb
    [2]theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:

 Having friends in psychology, economics, and
  marketing/advertising, we
 have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion
  was that
 most artists (including early music artists) ought not be
  lamenting
 about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but
  rather they
 should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think 
about

  it,
 if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will
  bringing
 alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting
  atmosphere
 for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this
  problem
 and their partial (yet successful) solution are the multimedia
 programs; live performance of film music over film clips of 
Harry

 Potter, Star Wars, etc.
 The fact (sad or not) is that audiences have MANY distractions
  pulling
 their attention nowadays. Music alone, no matter how pure or
 inspirational, won't draw an audience as much as music PLUS
  something
 else - drama or a story, visuals, alcohol, dance, etc. I 
think it

  would
 behoove early music artists to start thinking about this and
 corroborating and creating more engaging programs. And there 
are

 successful examples of this out there, but there needs to be
  more.
 One more thing, I am also reminded of a program done years 
ago by

 Steven Wade (?) called 'Banjo Dancing' (?). He performed as one
  man
 with a banjo. He played, told stories, sang, and had a truly
  engaging
 performance. And it drew audiences. There is absolutely no 
reason

  why
 something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist 

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Alain Veylit]

I remember playing at a "retirement home" once. Most depressing thing 
ever - the pensioners were all down on heavy drugs and one foot away 
from the grave... or one push of the wheelchair away, more accurately.  
After that, playing at the veterans hospital was a truly joyful 
experience. You do the gigs you can, specially when they are payed.


One of my friends, a jazz player with a golden album, used to play in 
local bars and got minimal audiences with minimal attention spans for 
music. Jazz is still popular in Europe, but all but dead here. Part of 
it I think are the venues: streets, metro stations and restaurants in 
Europe lend themselves to music, particularly in the summer.


Any brave soul tried to play at a McDonald's or a Starbucks?? I am 
wondering how many seconds it would take to see them ejected by 
"management".


Also, watching The Blues Brothers does not encourage acts of musical 
bravery in local bars deep inland...






On 01/04/2018 01:57 PM, John Mardinly wrote:

I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead balloon.
Classical guitar was better received.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya

On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann
<[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

My proposition would be the following:
Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc., a dulcian
and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance percussion.
If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.
Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam Session".
When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of respective
jazz musicians.
Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc., throw in
some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do virtuoso
solos. I bet the audience will have fun.
Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.
Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb
[2]theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:

 Having friends in psychology, economics, and
  marketing/advertising, we
 have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion
  was that
 most artists (including early music artists) ought not be
  lamenting
 about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but
  rather they
 should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think about
  it,
 if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will
  bringing
 alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting
  atmosphere
 for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this
  problem
 and their partial (yet successful) solution are the multimedia
 programs; live performance of film music over film clips of Harry
 Potter, Star Wars, etc.
 The fact (sad or not) is that audiences have MANY distractions
  pulling
 their attention nowadays. Music alone, no matter how pure or
 inspirational, won't draw an audience as much as music PLUS
  something
 else - drama or a story, visuals, alcohol, dance, etc. I think it
  would
 behoove early music artists to start thinking about this and
 corroborating and creating more engaging programs. And there are
 successful examples of this out there, but there needs to be
  more.
 One more thing, I am also reminded of a program done years ago by
 Steven Wade (?) called 'Banjo Dancing' (?). He performed as one
  man
 with a banjo. He played, told stories, sang, and had a truly
  engaging
 performance. And it drew audiences. There is absolutely no reason
  why
 something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist given some
  talent and
 hard work in creating such a stage performance. And as a
  disclaimer, I
 am not a professional musician, so these are merely my opinions,
 looking in from the outside.
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[John Mardinly]

   I played my lute at a hospice once. Went over like a lead balloon.
   Classical guitar was better received.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

   On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

   My proposition would be the following:
   Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
   If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc., a dulcian
   and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance percussion.
   If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.
   Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam Session".
   When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of respective
   jazz musicians.
   Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc., throw in
   some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do virtuoso
   solos. I bet the audience will have fun.
   Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.
   Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb
   [2]theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:

Having friends in psychology, economics, and
 marketing/advertising, we
have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion
 was that
most artists (including early music artists) ought not be
 lamenting
about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but
 rather they
should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think about
 it,
if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will
 bringing
alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting
 atmosphere
for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this
 problem
and their partial (yet successful) solution are the multimedia
programs; live performance of film music over film clips of Harry
Potter, Star Wars, etc.
The fact (sad or not) is that audiences have MANY distractions
 pulling
their attention nowadays. Music alone, no matter how pure or
inspirational, won't draw an audience as much as music PLUS
 something
else - drama or a story, visuals, alcohol, dance, etc. I think it
 would
behoove early music artists to start thinking about this and
corroborating and creating more engaging programs. And there are
successful examples of this out there, but there needs to be
 more.
One more thing, I am also reminded of a program done years ago by
Steven Wade (?) called 'Banjo Dancing' (?). He performed as one
 man
with a banjo. He played, told stories, sang, and had a truly
 engaging
performance. And it drew audiences. There is absolutely no reason
 why
something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist given some
 talent and
hard work in creating such a stage performance. And as a
 disclaimer, I
am not a professional musician, so these are merely my opinions,
looking in from the outside.
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   3. 
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

My proposition would be the following:

Assemble a team: three lutists minimum!
If possible, add recorders, Renaissance guitar, cittern etc., a dulcian 
and a trombone, and for the sake of beats some Renaissance percussion.

If you have a portable organ, get it on stage.

Go to your local jazz club and pitch "Early Music Jazz Jam Session".

When playing, have the musicians occupy the functions of respective jazz 
musicians.
Jam the hell out of Passamezzi, Romanescas, Bergamascas etc., throw in 
some song standards like Vestiva I Colli or Can She Excuse, do virtuoso 
solos. I bet the audience will have fun.

Get that stick out of your spine and rock the venue.


Am 04.01.2018 um 20:52 schrieb theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu:

Having friends in psychology, economics, and marketing/advertising, we
have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion was that
most artists (including early music artists) ought not be lamenting
about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but rather they
should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think about it,
if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will bringing
alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting atmosphere
for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this problem
and their partial (yet successful) solution are the multimedia
programs; live performance of film music over film clips of Harry
Potter, Star Wars, etc.

The fact (sad or not) is that audiences have MANY distractions pulling
their attention nowadays. Music alone, no matter how pure or
inspirational, won't draw an audience as much as music PLUS something
else - drama or a story, visuals, alcohol, dance, etc. I think it would
behoove early music artists to start thinking about this and
corroborating and creating more engaging programs. And there are
successful examples of this out there, but there needs to be more.

One more thing, I am also reminded of a program done years ago by
Steven Wade (?) called 'Banjo Dancing' (?). He performed as one man
with a banjo. He played, told stories, sang, and had a truly engaging
performance. And it drew audiences. There is absolutely no reason why
something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist given some talent and
hard work in creating such a stage performance. And as a disclaimer, I
am not a professional musician, so these are merely my opinions,
looking in from the outside.

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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Mayes, Joseph]

This space is very special in that it eschews the rancor and strife of the 
times and confines the discussion to subjects that, while we do not always 
agree, do not become heated and stupid.

Consider this a respectful plea to continue in that vein.

Joseph Mayes

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of 
Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 3:59 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

Thank you Dr. Mardinly for backing me up.


Am 04.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:
> The bad news here is that Tristan was absolutely correct.
>
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
> Francisco Goya
>
> On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Roger Landes <[1]landesro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tristan von Neumann:
> Was this message meant to be private?  If it was then you owe all the
> members of this list an apology. But if you intended it to go to the
> entire list you should be banished by the the list administrators.
> Roger Landes
> [2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rogerlandes.
> com=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_
> C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fDacMx83I7a-3M8DVn9J4YIA6X7fufvLmxK
> a3YkOJm0=kzWqRyEaXaLu4FmBSDLHjEGKGyVhzgOP_ZW-7qJPz7M=
> On 1/3/2018 8:16 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
>
>   Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my
>   friend...
>   Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third
>   party candidates would not have been able to make the great purge
>   happen.
>   Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:
>
>   America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
>   unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more
>   than
>   two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some
>   exceptions.
>   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
>   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
>   Francisco Goya
>   On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico
>   <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
>   wrote:
> Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
> Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise,
>   it is
> for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
>   inviting
> nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
>   attempting
> to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not
>   really
> successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in
>   Cleveland
> once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported
>   that
> there were 10 people in attendance.
> I have written about this at some length and will continue to
>   do so,
> but the early music scene in the US really caters to
> sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to
>   participate in
> some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions,
>   and
> Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a
>   point to
> seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately
>   been
> performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee
>   shops,
> libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15
>   years as a
> duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues,
>   but we
> like having contact with our audiences.
> I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the
>   rapidly
> ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made
>   on the
> part of performers to connect with people of all ages and
>   backgrounds
> and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year,
>   we will
> be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where
>   amateurs
>   and
> professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble
>   music.
> Wish us luck.
> RA
>   __
> From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
>   behalf
> of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
> Sent: Wed

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Thank you Dr. Mardinly for backing me up.


Am 04.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

The bad news here is that Tristan was absolutely correct.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya

On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Roger Landes <[1]landesro...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Tristan von Neumann:
Was this message meant to be private?  If it was then you owe all the
members of this list an apology. But if you intended it to go to the
entire list you should be banished by the the list administrators.
Roger Landes
[2]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rogerlandes.
com=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_
C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=fDacMx83I7a-3M8DVn9J4YIA6X7fufvLmxK
a3YkOJm0=kzWqRyEaXaLu4FmBSDLHjEGKGyVhzgOP_ZW-7qJPz7M=
On 1/3/2018 8:16 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

  Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my
  friend...
  Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third
  party candidates would not have been able to make the great purge
  happen.
  Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

  America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
  unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more
  than
  two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some
  exceptions.
  A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
  The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
  Francisco Goya
  On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico
  <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
  wrote:
Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise,
  it is
for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
  inviting
nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
  attempting
to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not
  really
successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in
  Cleveland
once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported
  that
there were 10 people in attendance.
I have written about this at some length and will continue to
  do so,
but the early music scene in the US really caters to
sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to
  participate in
some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions,
  and
Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a
  point to
seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately
  been
performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee
  shops,
libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15
  years as a
duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues,
  but we
like having contact with our audiences.
I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the
  rapidly
ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made
  on the
part of performers to connect with people of all ages and
  backgrounds
and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year,
  we will
be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where
  amateurs
  and
professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble
  music.
Wish us luck.
RA
  __
From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
  behalf
of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life
  going
  on
in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert
  context
(which I always find a bit awkward)?
Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
  woods?
Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Try asking it "Do you record private conversations?" or "are you 
connected to the NSA?" - you will be suprised :)


Am 04.01.2018 um 19:47 schrieb John Mardinly:

Pessimist alert: I just got a "Google Home", and after linking it to
Pandora, all I have to do is speak "OK Google, play Renaissance Music",
and it starts playing an excellent stream of wonderful Renaissance
Music. Incredible!

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya

On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, it is
  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
inviting
  nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
  successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
  once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to do so,
  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to participate in
  some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a point to
  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 years as a
  duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, but we
  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, we will
  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble music.
  Wish us luck.
  RA
__
  From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf
  of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: lutelist Net
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
  (which I always find a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
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2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
5. 
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

This is so sad to hear. Why oh why are there always people feeding off 
the achievements of others? And why are there always people believing 
that this should be the natural order?
When your dollar breaks, after some dire and uncomfortable time (which 
will be eased by unplugged Early Music...), we will hopefully have 
understood.


Am 04.01.2018 um 18:50 schrieb guy_and_liz Smith:

Unfortunately, Seattle has become a victim of its success, much like San 
Francisco (and for many of the same reasons). Along with the good stuff you 
also have absurd housing costs, horrible traffic, ... We lived there for almost 
30 years, and it was fun while it lasted, but when I retired we decided to move 
somewhere a little calmer. We are still within driving distance though, and 
it’s a great place to visit.


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 6:07 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

Wow! Seattle seems to really have something, I'm always amazed how much cool 
stuff comes from there.


Am 03.01.2018 um 19:23 schrieb guy_and_liz Smith:

Pacific MusicWorks in Seattle (Steve Stubbs org) has been doing "underground" concerts in a 
variety of venues, including my favorite brewpub, Naked City Brewery, in the Greenwood neighborhood. 
Worth going to just for the beer, but if you hit the right night, you can have some early music to go 
along with it. 
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C7e50f7d7581a4026cc1708d55317fd3e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506284855794137=iLYQ9OferqF8vRpwgEUE0%2FPFWXz4SOj214bH2nyLjPw%3D=0.

That said, I now live in Port Townsend, which is far enough from Seattle (and 
on the wrong side of Puget Sound, to boot) to get to any of them.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:08 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

 Hi Tristan
 I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
 elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
 is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
 medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
 the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
 playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
 educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
 telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
 to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
 have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
 workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
 doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
 aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
 but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
 different periods.
 you can see what we do at
 
[1]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.reverdiesmontreal.org=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3a12c38e00a410d774b08d552d5048c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636505997217870504=4LGQFQKCWdsJimnTJIxD%2FSbGbDY8ecZz7AbTrWGP%2FBA%3D=0
 we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
 Bruno

 2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
 <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

   Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
   Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
   comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
   music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
   If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
   at the stake.
   Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
   drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

 Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

 Hi
 I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
 a
 medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
 dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
 really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
 noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
 as
 to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
 Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
 no
 clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
 and
 never mi

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[theoj89294]

   Having friends in psychology, economics, and marketing/advertising, we
   have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion was that
   most artists (including early music artists) ought not be lamenting
   about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but rather they
   should be discussing how best to draw in an audience. Think about it,
   if a graphic artist wants to put on an exhibit, they will bringing
   alcohol, maybe food, hire a musician, and create an inviting atmosphere
   for socializing. Moreover, symphony orchestras also have this problem
   and their partial (yet successful) solution are the multimedia
   programs; live performance of film music over film clips of Harry
   Potter, Star Wars, etc.

   The fact (sad or not) is that audiences have MANY distractions pulling
   their attention nowadays. Music alone, no matter how pure or
   inspirational, won't draw an audience as much as music PLUS something
   else - drama or a story, visuals, alcohol, dance, etc. I think it would
   behoove early music artists to start thinking about this and
   corroborating and creating more engaging programs. And there are
   successful examples of this out there, but there needs to be more.

   One more thing, I am also reminded of a program done years ago by
   Steven Wade (?) called 'Banjo Dancing' (?). He performed as one man
   with a banjo. He played, told stories, sang, and had a truly engaging
   performance. And it drew audiences. There is absolutely no reason why
   something similar couldn't be done by a lutenist given some talent and
   hard work in creating such a stage performance. And as a disclaimer, I
   am not a professional musician, so these are merely my opinions,
   looking in from the outside.

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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[John Mardinly]

   The bad news here is that Tristan was absolutely correct.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

   On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:25 PM, Roger Landes <[1]landesro...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Tristan von Neumann:
   Was this message meant to be private?  If it was then you owe all the
   members of this list an apology. But if you intended it to go to the
   entire list you should be banished by the the list administrators.
   Roger Landes
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   On 1/3/2018 8:16 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

 Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my
 friend...
 Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third
 party candidates would not have been able to make the great purge
 happen.
 Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

 America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
 unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more
 than
 two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some
 exceptions.
 A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
 The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
 Francisco Goya
 On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico
 <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
 wrote:
   Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
   Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise,
 it is
   for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
 inviting
   nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
 attempting
   to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not
 really
   successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in
 Cleveland
   once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported
 that
   there were 10 people in attendance.
   I have written about this at some length and will continue to
 do so,
   but the early music scene in the US really caters to
   sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to
 participate in
   some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions,
 and
   Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a
 point to
   seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately
 been
   performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee
 shops,
   libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15
 years as a
   duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues,
 but we
   like having contact with our audiences.
   I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the
 rapidly
   ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made
 on the
   part of performers to connect with people of all ages and
 backgrounds
   and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year,
 we will
   be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where
 amateurs
 and
   professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble
 music.
   Wish us luck.
   RA
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   Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
   To: lutelist Net
   Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
   Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
   Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life
 going
 on
   in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert
 context
   (which I always find a bit awkward)?
   Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
   Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
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   Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[John Mardinly]

   Pessimist alert: I just got a "Google Home", and after linking it to
   Pandora, all I have to do is speak "OK Google, play Renaissance Music",
   and it starts playing an excellent stream of wonderful Renaissance
   Music. Incredible!

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

   On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
   wrote:

 Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
 Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, it is
 for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
   inviting
 nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
   attempting
 to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
 successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
 once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
 there were 10 people in attendance.
 I have written about this at some length and will continue to do so,
 but the early music scene in the US really caters to
 sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to participate in
 some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
 Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a point to
 seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
 performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee shops,
 libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 years as a
 duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, but we
 like having contact with our audiences.
 I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
 ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on the
 part of performers to connect with people of all ages and backgrounds
 and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, we will
 be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
   and
 professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble music.
 Wish us luck.
 RA
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 From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf
 of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
 To: lutelist Net
 Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
 Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
 Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
   on
 in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
 (which I always find a bit awkward)?
 Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
 Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[William Brohinsky]

   Hi all,
   While Ron is quite right about the Early Music scene not being terribly
   informal, there are more than a few reasons, the greatest of which is
   noise level.
   When my wife, sister-in-law, and I were playing with the UCONN
   Collegium (Deb and I as townies, Dianne as a student) they were
   gathering each year with the University's chamber choir and brass
   quintet to put on a Renaissance Dinner, which was a 3-evening event on
   the campus for two and in Avon, CT for the third.
   For the loud band and Brass quintet, it was fairly workable. For the
   recorders and viols, it was hit or miss. More than once a night (every
   time, one night of our multi-year experience on campus, and every
   single time in Avon, where the venue allowed the quintet to hover over
   the floor on a balcony) the viols and/or recorders would start up only
   to have the quintet start a few bars into whatever we were playing:
   They perceived that no one was playing because they couldn't hear us
   over the crowd. They were stationed on the opposite side of the dias
   from us, with only the chamber choir intervening.
   When the chamber choir began their official performance portion, for
   which the Collegium provided accompaniment on a few larger songs and
   harpsichord for a few of the solos, and the quintet was scheduled and
   signalled when to start, things worked better, especially since there
   was a fairly free flow of wine during the preceeding dinner portion.
   The proceeds financed travelling concert tours for the chamber choir,
   but provided much-needed exposure for the Collegium, helping to obtain
   grants from which instruments were procured. Although we had a lute, it
   was rarely used for these venues.
   I have provided incidental music for various college functions when I
   worked at Mitchell College, from a nearly hopeless outdoor effort with
   another violist (Boismortier duets during the reception after the
   Granduation, where no mistakes were made, at least, no one could tell
   because no one heard the right notes, let alone the wrong ones, which,
   of course we never played!) Indoor banquets with the viol trio worked
   much better, and we even got requests for business cards from people
   who thought we'd be desirable for private parties, which never
   materialized.
   I
   We did one thing that was an absolute success: We volunteered to play
   Renaissance trios on viols before two history classes and an English
   Lit class who were passing through that era. I highly recommend this to
   anyone who can get their consort (or themselves if they are a solo act)
   to take the time off from the day job or get up before noon: It will
   not be your easiest room, but it will have a lasting effect which you
   will see, the more you do it.
   Our experiences were mixed. I got into the classroom before the class
   entered, drew a timeline on the board, marked where each of the
   composers we'd be performing lived and if possible, when the specific
   part was written. I gave a very short presentation of the instruments,
   all viols, why the tenor and bass looked different (one was a consort
   tenor, the other a german bass), noted the relative sizes, number of
   strings, tied frets, different way of holding the bow. That was enough:
   the tone of   the instruments was enough for the students who had any
   idea what a violin or cello was. One or two students were rivited,
   attentive, and focused through the whole class. They turned out to have
   played instruments in High School. Most of them seemed disinterested.
   One put his head on his arms and stayed moribund through the period,
   others doodled.
   We soldiered on, through the three classes, and my accomplices left for
   home. I went back to work on the college servers. Later, I ran into
   each of the professors who had let us into their domains. I expected,
   at best, a sigh, and a "well, that didn't work." Instead, I was told at
   great length how each student had responded, what they'd said to their
   professor as they left the class.
   The doodlers were art majors. Their doodles reflected their impressions
   of the music. They had a visceral experience and said that it had
   inspired them to get and listen to more of this fascinating music. The
   history majors were all poleaxed. Their idea of music pretty much began
   with Bach = Boring (a sad sad problem) and their interest began after
   Dead White Men stopped writing boring stuff. They were amazed that Dead
   White Men could have written interesting stuff, and some of them found
   a connection to a 400-year period that they'd never been able to forge.
   The most interesting was the sleeper. He was classified as a
   special-needs student, mildly autistic and mainlined. When the music
   started, he couldn't handle the aural and visual input simultaneously.
   His head was down because he wanted to concentrate everything on
   

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Would you please care to explain yourself?

What exactly is setting you off? Just name-calling something isn't going 
to solve any problems.


Am 04.01.2018 um 10:32 schrieb Roger Landes:

Apparently this sort of rubbish is tolerated on this list...

Roger Landes
http://www.rogerlandes.com

On 1/4/2018 3:02 AM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

So speaking the truth is not welcome in your opinion?

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition... oh wait. The irony writing 
this in a forum of 16th century enthusiasts...


What is your problem exactly? Have you no honor? Normally, one would 
at least get told the accusation. Or are you a Kafka fan?


If it is about political discussion not being welcome in this forum, 
you should blame Dr. Mardinly, who started it.



Am 04.01.2018 um 03:25 schrieb Roger Landes:

Tristan von Neumann:

Was this message meant to be private?  If it was then you owe all the 
members of this list an apology. But if you intended it to go to the 
entire list you should be banished by the the list administrators.


Roger Landes
http://www.rogerlandes.com

On 1/3/2018 8:16 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my 
friend...
Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third 
party candidates would not have been able to make the great purge 
happen.




Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

    America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
    unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires 
more than
    two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some 
exceptions.


    A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
    The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
    Francisco Goya

    On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be 
otherwise, it is

  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
    inviting
  nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
    attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not 
really
  successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in 
Cleveland
  once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported 
that

  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to 
do so,

  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to 
participate in

  some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a 
point to
  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately 
been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, 
coffee shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 
years as a
  duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger 
venues, but we

  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the 
rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made 
on the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and 
backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, 
we will
  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where 
amateurs

    and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble 
music.

  Wish us luck.
  RA
__
  From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
<[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on

    behalf
  of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: lutelist Net
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music 
life going

    on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert 
context

  (which I always find a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in 
the woods?

  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

So speaking the truth is not welcome in your opinion?

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition... oh wait. The irony writing 
this in a forum of 16th century enthusiasts...


What is your problem exactly? Have you no honor? Normally, one would at 
least get told the accusation. Or are you a Kafka fan?


If it is about political discussion not being welcome in this forum, you 
should blame Dr. Mardinly, who started it.



Am 04.01.2018 um 03:25 schrieb Roger Landes:

Tristan von Neumann:

Was this message meant to be private?  If it was then you owe all the 
members of this list an apology. But if you intended it to go to the 
entire list you should be banished by the the list administrators.


Roger Landes
http://www.rogerlandes.com

On 1/3/2018 8:16 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my 
friend...
Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third party 
candidates would not have been able to make the great purge happen.




Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

    America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
    unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more 
than
    two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some 
exceptions.


    A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
    The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
    Francisco Goya

    On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, 
it is

  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
    inviting
  nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
    attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
  successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
  once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to 
do so,

  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to 
participate in

  some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a 
point to

  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee 
shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 
years as a
  duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, 
but we

  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on 
the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and 
backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, 
we will

  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
    and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble 
music.

  Wish us luck.
  RA
__
  From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
<[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on

    behalf
  of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: lutelist Net
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life 
going

    on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert 
context

  (which I always find a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the 
woods?

  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Roger Landes]

Tristan von Neumann:

Was this message meant to be private?  If it was then you owe all the 
members of this list an apology. But if you intended it to go to the 
entire list you should be banished by the the list administrators.


Roger Landes
http://www.rogerlandes.com

On 1/3/2018 8:16 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my 
friend...
Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third party 
candidates would not have been able to make the great purge happen.




Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

    America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
    unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more 
than
    two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some 
exceptions.


    A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
    The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
    Francisco Goya

    On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, 
it is

  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
    inviting
  nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
    attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
  successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
  once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to 
do so,

  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to 
participate in

  some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a 
point to

  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee 
shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 
years as a
  duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, 
but we

  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on 
the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and 
backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, 
we will

  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
    and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble 
music.

  Wish us luck.
  RA
__
  From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
<[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on

    behalf
  of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: lutelist Net
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life 
going

    on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert 
context

  (which I always find a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the 
woods?

  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
  To get on or off this list see list information at
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References

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    2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
    3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
    4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
    5. 

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Dumb people don't just get smart with the "right government", my friend...
Your whole system is rotten, and believe you me, even some third party 
candidates would not have been able to make the great purge happen.




Am 03.01.2018 um 19:51 schrieb John Mardinly:

America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more than
two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some exceptions.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya

On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, it is
  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
inviting
  nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
  successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
  once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to do so,
  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to participate in
  some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a point to
  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 years as a
  duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, but we
  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, we will
  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble music.
  Wish us luck.
  RA
__
  From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf
  of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: lutelist Net
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
  (which I always find a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
  To get on or off this list see list information at
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References

1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
5. 
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6. 

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Wow! Seattle seems to really have something, I'm always amazed how much 
cool stuff comes from there.



Am 03.01.2018 um 19:23 schrieb guy_and_liz Smith:

Pacific MusicWorks in Seattle (Steve Stubbs org) has been doing "underground" 
concerts in a variety of venues, including my favorite brewpub, Naked City Brewery, in 
the Greenwood neighborhood. Worth going to just for the beer, but if you hit the right 
night, you can have some early music to go along with it. 
http://www.pacificmusicworks.org/underground/underground-2017-18-season/.

That said, I now live in Port Townsend, which is far enough from Seattle (and 
on the wrong side of Puget Sound, to boot) to get to any of them.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:08 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

Hi Tristan
I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
different periods.
you can see what we do at

[1]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.reverdiesmontreal.org=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3a12c38e00a410d774b08d552d5048c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636505997217870504=4LGQFQKCWdsJimnTJIxD%2FSbGbDY8ecZz7AbTrWGP%2FBA%3D=0
we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
Bruno

2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
<[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

  Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
  Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
  comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
  music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
  If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
  at the stake.
  Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
  drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

Hi
I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
a
medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
as
to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
no
clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
and
never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
 I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops
together
with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer
dress
up..
Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in
medieval
and renaissance banquets.. no longer is the case for me
Bruno
2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1][3]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:
  Hallo, Tristan et al.
  I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
  I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
  some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
  While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
  am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
  Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
  Straloch and Rowallan.
  I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school
  events.
  Cheers,
  Samuel J. Lawson
  On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
  Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
  From: Tristan von Neumann <[2][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  To: lutelist Net <[3][5]lute@cs.dart

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

You may be right, and I cannot argue against your experience.
However, I learned that being on an "educational crusade" and "being 
serious", is just not very attractive.
Maybe it's European, but a laid back attitude is much more appealing. 
Trying to spread enthusiasm comes across as trying to "sell something", 
which people at least in Europe find annoying.
It might well be that in the US/CA the slavery is more acknowledged and 
everything you say will be seen as a sales pitch.


I'm speaking as an idealist here though, your argument is pragmatic, not 
necessarily true. You just arrange your life according to the servitude 
that has been put on you by the money system.

That's ok.
But there can be no doubt that venues and musicians would do a lot more 
and a lot more fun stuff if money wasn't the issue.


Am 03.01.2018 um 19:08 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

Hi Tristan
I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
different periods.
you can see what we do at
[1]www.reverdiesmontreal.org
we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
Bruno

2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
<[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

  Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
  Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
  comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
  music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
  If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
  at the stake.
  Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
  drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

Hi
I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
a
medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
as
to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
no
clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
and
never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
 I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops
together
with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer
dress
up..
Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in
medieval
and renaissance banquets.. no longer is the case for me
Bruno
2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1][3]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:
  Hallo, Tristan et al.
  I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
  I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
  some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
  While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
  am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
  Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
  Straloch and Rowallan.
  I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school
  events.
  Cheers,
  Samuel J. Lawson
  On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
  Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
  From: Tristan von Neumann <[2][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  To: lutelist Net <[3][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life
  going
on in your
neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
  (which I

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Dan Winheld]

In 1967 I played Renaissance lute music on a Renaissance lute (9 course 
transitional thing by David Rubio) at an open mic joint in S.F. Also 
performed  impromptu in a number of coffee houses on Haight Street. And 
once in a vacant lot in the wee hours in the Fillmore district (back 
when it was an African-American slum, where I lived for a time) for the 
entertainment of some poor homeless drunks. Good times, actually. My 
music was somewhat less appreciated a few years later in a rural redneck 
bar in Maine. They wanted country western, and I didn't blame them one bit.


"The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters"


Francisco Goya was no dummy, that's for sure. Make America Musical 
Again  (Oh, mama!)


Dan

On 1/3/2018 10:51 AM, John Mardinly wrote:

America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more than
two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some exceptions.

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya

On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, it is
  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
inviting
  nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
  successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
  once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to do so,
  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to participate in
  some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a point to
  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 years as a
  duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, but we
  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, we will
  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble music.
  Wish us luck.
  RA
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Anthony Hart]

   In Malta (the European island!) there is the Valletta International
   Baroque Festival.
   [1]http://vallettabaroquefestival.com.mt
   One of the concerts includes one with Thomas Dunford
   Antnony Hart
   On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 7:52 PM John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   wrote:

America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more
 than
two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some
 exceptions.
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya
On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico
 <[1][3]praelu...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
  Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
  Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise,
 it is
  for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
inviting
  nor inclusive.   While there are a few soloists and ensembles
attempting
  to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not
 really
  successful.   Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in
 Cleveland
  once.   I had lunch with him the following day and he reported
 that
  there were 10 people in attendance.
  I have written about this at some length and will continue to
 do so,
  but the early music scene in the US really caters to
  sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to
 participate in
  some weird fan worship culture.   There are a few exceptions,
 and
  Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.   We make it a
 point to
  seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately
 been
  performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee
 shops,
  libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15
 years as a
  duo.   We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues,
 but we
  like having contact with our audiences.
  I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the
 rapidly
  ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on
 the
  part of performers to connect with people of all ages and
 backgrounds
  and encourage informal ensemble playing.   In the coming year,
 we will
  be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where
 amateurs
and
  professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble
 music.
  Wish us luck.
  RA

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 <[3][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
behalf
  of Tristan von Neumann <[4][6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
  To: lutelist Net
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life
 going
on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert
 context
  (which I always find a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
 woods?
  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[John Mardinly]

   America, being in the throes of "Make America Great Again", is
   unfortunately in general hostile to any music that requires more than
   two brain cells to appreciate. Fortunately, there are some exceptions.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

   On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
   wrote:

 Thank you for your New Year's greeting, Tristan.
 Much as I would wish the US early music scene to be otherwise, it is
 for the most part not what might be characterized as informal,
   inviting
 nor inclusive.  While there are a few soloists and ensembles
   attempting
 to perform in less traditional venues, the attempts are not really
 successful.  Ronn McFarlane did in fact play in a bar in Cleveland
 once.  I had lunch with him the following day and he reported that
 there were 10 people in attendance.
 I have written about this at some length and will continue to do so,
 but the early music scene in the US really caters to
 sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to participate in
 some weird fan worship culture.  There are a few exceptions, and
 Mignarda is definitely among the exceptions.  We make it a point to
 seek out non-traditional audiences, and we have deliberately been
 performing in a variety of smaller venues, restaurants, coffee shops,
 libraries and in house concert settings for most of our 15 years as a
 duo.  We also perform in churches and the usual larger venues, but we
 like having contact with our audiences.
 I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
 ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on the
 part of performers to connect with people of all ages and backgrounds
 and encourage informal ensemble playing.  In the coming year, we will
 be initiating a series of local informal gatherings where amateurs
   and
 professionals can connect and share a love of making ensemble music.
 Wish us luck.
 RA
   __
 From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf
 of Tristan von Neumann <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
 To: lutelist Net
 Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
 Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
 Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
   on
 in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
 (which I always find a bit awkward)?
 Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
 Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
 Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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   4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
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   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/
   7. mailto:lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   8. 

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[guy_and_liz Smith]

I give up. Google "Early Music Underground, Seattle" ...

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
guy_and_liz Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:35 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

And another try. I've omitted the http prefix to try to outflank Outlook (yeah, 
I know, I should get another mail client): 
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Cee946abbb8094009594708d552d8cf97%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506013502295287=hTkNGe5InpaRjj%2Bwy4sEyAj%2BQ5J52Ou6CdrW5vHgGjk%3D=0

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
guy_and_liz Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:31 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

OK, Outlook was a little too helpful with the link. Here's another try: 
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2873a5865a444c14ab8808d552d832b5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506010867607469=jEeTKqQSJCvYyQw0NpGnLw3Xic9u2dNJ8JMR9sX%2FCu4%3D=0

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
guy_and_liz Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:24 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

Pacific MusicWorks in Seattle (Steve Stubbs org) has been doing "underground" 
concerts in a variety of venues, including my favorite brewpub, Naked City 
Brewery, in the Greenwood neighborhood. Worth going to just for the beer, but 
if you hit the right night, you can have some early music to go along with it. 
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C8a9d980487ec47722ca208d552d7355d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506006623250746=VX5G2TlxYwQvIcQUdGm4Khrs937b7GUbG7Za9kuB%2BCo%3D=0.

That said, I now live in Port Townsend, which is far enough from Seattle (and 
on the wrong side of Puget Sound, to boot) to get to any of them.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:08 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

   Hi Tristan
   I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
   elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
   is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
   medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
   the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
   playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
   educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
   telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
   to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
   have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
   workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
   doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
   aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
   but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
   different periods.
   you can see what we do at
   
[1]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.reverdiesmontreal.org=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3a12c38e00a410d774b08d552d5048c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636505997217870504=4LGQFQKCWdsJimnTJIxD%2FSbGbDY8ecZz7AbTrWGP%2FBA%3D=0
   we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
   Bruno

   2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
   <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
 Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
 comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
 music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
 If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
 at the stake.
 Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
 drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

   Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

   Hi
   I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
   a
   medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
   dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
   really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
   noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
   as
   

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[guy_and_liz Smith]

And another try. I've omitted the http prefix to try to outflank Outlook (yeah, 
I know, I should get another mail client): 
www.pacificmusicworks.org/underground/underground-2017-18-season/

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
guy_and_liz Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:31 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

OK, Outlook was a little too helpful with the link. Here's another try: 
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C2873a5865a444c14ab8808d552d832b5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506010867607469=jEeTKqQSJCvYyQw0NpGnLw3Xic9u2dNJ8JMR9sX%2FCu4%3D=0

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
guy_and_liz Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:24 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

Pacific MusicWorks in Seattle (Steve Stubbs org) has been doing "underground" 
concerts in a variety of venues, including my favorite brewpub, Naked City 
Brewery, in the Greenwood neighborhood. Worth going to just for the beer, but 
if you hit the right night, you can have some early music to go along with it. 
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C8a9d980487ec47722ca208d552d7355d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506006623250746=VX5G2TlxYwQvIcQUdGm4Khrs937b7GUbG7Za9kuB%2BCo%3D=0.

That said, I now live in Port Townsend, which is far enough from Seattle (and 
on the wrong side of Puget Sound, to boot) to get to any of them.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:08 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

   Hi Tristan
   I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
   elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
   is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
   medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
   the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
   playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
   educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
   telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
   to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
   have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
   workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
   doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
   aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
   but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
   different periods.
   you can see what we do at
   
[1]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.reverdiesmontreal.org=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3a12c38e00a410d774b08d552d5048c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636505997217870504=4LGQFQKCWdsJimnTJIxD%2FSbGbDY8ecZz7AbTrWGP%2FBA%3D=0
   we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
   Bruno

   2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
   <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
 Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
 comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
 music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
 If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
 at the stake.
 Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
 drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

   Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

   Hi
   I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
   a
   medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
   dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
   really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
   noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
   as
   to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
   Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
   no
   clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
   and
   never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops
   together
   with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer
   dress
   up..
   Back in university s

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[guy_and_liz Smith]

OK, Outlook was a little too helpful with the link. Here's another try: 
http://www.pacificmusicworks.org/underground/underground-2017-18-season/

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
guy_and_liz Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:24 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

Pacific MusicWorks in Seattle (Steve Stubbs org) has been doing "underground" 
concerts in a variety of venues, including my favorite brewpub, Naked City 
Brewery, in the Greenwood neighborhood. Worth going to just for the beer, but 
if you hit the right night, you can have some early music to go along with it. 
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificmusicworks.org%2Funderground%2Funderground-2017-18-season%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C8a9d980487ec47722ca208d552d7355d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636506006623250746=VX5G2TlxYwQvIcQUdGm4Khrs937b7GUbG7Za9kuB%2BCo%3D=0.

That said, I now live in Port Townsend, which is far enough from Seattle (and 
on the wrong side of Puget Sound, to boot) to get to any of them.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:08 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

   Hi Tristan
   I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
   elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
   is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
   medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
   the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
   playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
   educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
   telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
   to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
   have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
   workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
   doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
   aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
   but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
   different periods.
   you can see what we do at
   
[1]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.reverdiesmontreal.org=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3a12c38e00a410d774b08d552d5048c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636505997217870504=4LGQFQKCWdsJimnTJIxD%2FSbGbDY8ecZz7AbTrWGP%2FBA%3D=0
   we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
   Bruno

   2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
   <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
 Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
 comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
 music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
 If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
 at the stake.
 Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
 drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

   Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

   Hi
   I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
   a
   medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
   dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
   really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
   noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
   as
   to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
   Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
   no
   clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
   and
   never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops
   together
   with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer
   dress
   up..
   Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in
   medieval
   and renaissance banquets.. no longer is the case for me
   Bruno
   2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1][3]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:
 Hallo, Tristan et al.
 I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
 I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
 some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
 While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
 am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
 Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
 Straloch and R

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[guy_and_liz Smith]

Pacific MusicWorks in Seattle (Steve Stubbs org) has been doing "underground" 
concerts in a variety of venues, including my favorite brewpub, Naked City 
Brewery, in the Greenwood neighborhood. Worth going to just for the beer, but 
if you hit the right night, you can have some early music to go along with it. 
http://www.pacificmusicworks.org/underground/underground-2017-18-season/.

That said, I now live in Port Townsend, which is far enough from Seattle (and 
on the wrong side of Puget Sound, to boot) to get to any of them.

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 10:08 AM
To: Tristan von Neumann
Cc: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life

   Hi Tristan
   I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
   elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
   is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
   medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
   the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
   playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
   educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
   telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
   to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
   have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
   workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
   doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
   aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
   but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
   different periods.
   you can see what we do at
   
[1]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.reverdiesmontreal.org=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3a12c38e00a410d774b08d552d5048c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636505997217870504=4LGQFQKCWdsJimnTJIxD%2FSbGbDY8ecZz7AbTrWGP%2FBA%3D=0
   we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
   Bruno

   2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
   <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
 Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
 comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
 music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
 If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
 at the stake.
 Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
 drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

   Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

   Hi
   I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
   a
   medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
   dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
   really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
   noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
   as
   to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
   Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
   no
   clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
   and
   never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops
   together
   with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer
   dress
   up..
   Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in
   medieval
   and renaissance banquets.. no longer is the case for me
   Bruno
   2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1][3]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:
 Hallo, Tristan et al.
 I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
 I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
 some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
 While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
 am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
 Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
 Straloch and Rowallan.
 I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school
 events.
 Cheers,
 Samuel J. Lawson
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
 From: Tristan von Neumann <[2][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 To: lutelist Net <[3][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

   Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
   Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
   Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life
 going
   on in you

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   Hi Tristan
   I personally didn't study music at university to end up playing
   elevator music in Renaissance Fairs.   I think as serious musicians, it
   is our duty to continue our efforts in educating the public.   And
   medieval faires is not the way to do it.   I therefore disagree with
   the original post about awkward concert situations. Yes informal
   playing is good, but it limits the amount of people who can become
   educated about the music we love.   Concerts with themes and story
   telling is by far the best approach, as well as workshops.   I belong a
   to a Non - profit organization in Montreal, composed of musicians who
   have studied in Basel, and have performed all over; we organize
   workshops and concerts with a different subject each year.   It
   doensn't attract a lot of people, and the occasional medieval fair
   aficionado shows up ( thinking its going to be another medieval fair..)
   but the response is great, people are so happy to learn about the
   different periods.
   you can see what we do at
   [1]www.reverdiesmontreal.org
   we even have people coming from Boston to participate..!! yay...
   Bruno

   2018-01-03 12:54 GMT-05:00 Tristan von Neumann
   <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval
 Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it
 comes to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to
 music, you consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
 If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned
 at the stake.
 Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive
 drums, though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...

   Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

   Hi
   I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.Had
   a
   medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
   dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
   really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
   noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue
   as
   to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
   Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.They have
   no
   clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music,
   and
   never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops
   together
   with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer
   dress
   up..
   Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in
   medieval
   and renaissance banquets.. no longer is the case for me
   Bruno
   2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1][3]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:
 Hallo, Tristan et al.
 I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
 I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
 some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
 While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
 am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
 Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
 Straloch and Rowallan.
 I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school
 events.
 Cheers,
 Samuel J. Lawson
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
 From: Tristan von Neumann <[2][4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 To: lutelist Net <[3][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>

   Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
   Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
   Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life
 going
   on in your
   neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
 (which I
   always find
   a bit awkward)?
   Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
   Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
   woods?
   Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [4][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   Cheers,
   Samuel J. Lawson, FSA Scot
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Don't bother Bruno, it's the same here in Germany with the Medieval 
Faires. They claim to cover 13th-15th century, and succeed when it comes 
to housewares, clothing and swordfighting. When it comes to music, you 
consider yourself lucky hearing Susato or Attaignant.
If you played some Ars Subtilior songs, you would probably be burned at 
the stake.
Most music is basically techno with shawms, bagpipes, and massive drums, 
though this is kind of a fun genre that developed there...


Am 03.01.2018 um 18:46 schrieb Bruno Cognyl-Fournier:

Hi
I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.   Had a
medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue as
to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.   They have no
clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music, and
never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
 I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops together
with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer dress
up..
Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in medieval
and renaissance banquets..no longer is the case for me
Bruno

2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:

  Hallo, Tristan et al.
  I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
  I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
  some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
  While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
  am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
  Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
  Straloch and Rowallan.
  I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school
  events.
  Cheers,
  Samuel J. Lawson
  On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
  Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
  From: Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
  To: lutelist Net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
  Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
  on in your
  neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I
  always find
  a bit awkward)?
  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
  woods?
  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  Cheers,
  Samuel J. Lawson, FSA Scot
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2. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
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5. mailto:sjlaw...@sdf.org
6. https://sjlawson.sdf.org/
7. https://sdf.org/

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Tristan von Neumann]

Am 03.01.2018 um 17:32 schrieb Ron Andrico:


I have written about this at some length and will continue to do so,
but the early music scene in the US really caters to
sit-down-and-shut-up audiences who are encouraged to participate in
some weird fan worship culture.


That's a worldwide phenomenon it seems, sadly.
The problem is the larger the ensemble, the bigger the venue must be to 
cover modern capitalist costs.
As we all might have heard: the big brass doesn't even pay food and 
lodging for their servants and family as in ancient times.




I am of the opinion that early music will die out with the rapidly
ageing baby-boom generation unless more of an effort is made on the
part of performers to connect with people of all ages and backgrounds
and encourage informal ensemble playing. 


This is highly needed I guess... Early Music Jazz aka "divisions" 
probably made up most of the music life in the Renaissance.


Speaking of which: I would like to know what you think of dissonances 
and how were dissonances regarded in the Renaissance when they happened 
in improvisational context.





RA
  __

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
of Tristan von Neumann 
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 1:41 PM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life

Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going on
in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
(which I always find a bit awkward)?
Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   Hi
   I live in Montreal and play Medieval and Renaissance music.   Had a
   medieval music group for 15 years or so, and frankly I got tired of
   dressing up and going to medieval fairs and banquets, where no-one
   really cares about real medieval music, and just wants background
   noise. Most people who go to these fairs and banquets have no clue as
   to what medieval music is, and want everyhing from Thoineau Arbault
   Bransle des Chevaux to Lorrena McKennit celtic music.   They have no
   clue about Cantigas de Santa Maria, Trouvere and troubadour music, and
   never mind if you should even attempt to play some Trecento music.
I now only play in concert situations, and organize workshops together
   with a bunch of friends, to educate the people.. and I no longer dress
   up..
   Back in university some 40 years ago, it was fun to go play in medieval
   and renaissance banquets..no longer is the case for me
   Bruno

   2018-01-03 11:46 GMT-05:00 Samuel Lawson <[1]sjlaw...@sdf.org>:

 Hallo, Tristan et al.
 I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute.
 I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at
 some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games.
 While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I
 am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland,
 Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks
 Straloch and Rowallan.
 I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school
 events.
 Cheers,
 Samuel J. Lawson
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
 From: Tristan von Neumann <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 To: lutelist Net <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life
 Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
 Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
 on in your
 neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I
 always find
 a bit awkward)?
 Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
 Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
 woods?
 Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 Cheers,
 Samuel J. Lawson, FSA Scot
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   6. https://sjlawson.sdf.org/
   7. https://sdf.org/

[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Robert Purrenhage]

   Karen Meyers and Russell Ferrara played lute duets in South Street
   (Philadelphia) cafes in the early 1990s.
   West Chester U Collegium Musicum used to perform regularly, often for
   the public or fund raiser madrigal dinners on campus and off, until
   2005 or thereabouts.
   And of course, there's Pastimes Music, renowned for piping on the beech
   in Cape Cod, sunset 31 December chilly tradition, and for playing 'at'
   Jordan Hall (as in on the street outside) entertaining the people
   waiting for the Sat late night concert at BEMF, a somewhat warmer
   tradition.
   Bob Purrenhage

   On Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 10:14:28 AM EST, Roman Turovsky
    wrote:
   On my memory - Sylvain Bergeron did a bar gig in NYC some years ago.
   RT
   On 1/3/2018 9:03 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
   >
   >> On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   >>
   >> Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
   >>
   >>
   >> Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
   on in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
   (which I always find a bit awkward)?
   > The Greater Cleveland area is fortunate in that regard: Apolloââ¬â¢s
   Fire (The Cleveland Baroque Orchestra), Les Delices, Case Western Early
   Music Program, Quire, Burning River Baroque, Oberlin nearby
   >
   >
   >> Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
   > Ronn McFarlane played in a restaurant here once.
   >> Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
   woods?
   > Renaissance Faires count?
   >> Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
   > Yes! [2]https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0
   <[3]https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0>
   >
   >
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Christopher Wilke]

Here in Cincinnati, Ohio, we have two pro early Music groups Catacoustic 
Consort and the Caladrian Ensemble. Catacoustic, directed by gamba player 
Annalisa Pappano, mainly brings in national talent. My group is primarily 
regional, with a big name when we can (hopefully!) afford it. I'm bringing in 
Nigel North as a guest artist next month.

Cincinnati also has a month-long Early Music Celebration in February, which I 
also direct. Most of the ensembles on the roster are regional, with some bigger 
names. This year, we have 16 events across southern Ohio and Northern Kentucky.

As for bars... one of the most popular events of the Cincinnati Early Music 
Celebration is our collaboration with Classical Revolution. Classical 
Revolution is a national organization that seeks to get classical music out of 
the concert hall and into more relaxed, popular venues. In conjunction with 
CEMC, we're doing an all-Early music show in a local tavern. Stage... lights... 
gut strings... booze. It's fun.

Also - this is not Early Music - but I play baroque lute in an acoustic 
rock/jazz band called Beasts of Joy. Loads of improvisation, very eclectic. 
Somewhat to my surprise, normal people (AKA people who don't know anything 
about early music) seem to be digging what we do.

Best,
Chris


Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com


On Wed, 1/3/18, Daniel Shoskes <kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Early Music life
 To: "Tristan von Neumann" <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 Cc: "Lute List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 9:03 AM
 
 
 
 > On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:41 AM,
 Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>
 wrote:
 > 
 > Happy New Year to all who are on
 the European calendar.
 > 
 > 
 > Here's one question - is there any
 noticeable Early Music life going on in your neighborhood,
 besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I
 always find a bit awkward)?
 
 The Greater Cleveland area is fortunate
 in that regard: Apollo’s Fire (The Cleveland Baroque
 Orchestra), Les Delices, Case Western Early Music Program,
 Quire, Burning River Baroque, Oberlin nearby
 
 
 > 
 > Ever heard of a bar where there
 are Early Music jam sessions?
 Ronn McFarlane played in a restaurant
 here once.
 > 
 > Have you ever seen Early music
 picknicks in the park or in the woods?
 
 Renaissance Faires count?
 > 
 > Do you play table music at your
 own private dinner parties?
 
 Yes! https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0 <https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0>
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Samuel Lawson]

Hallo, Tristan et al.

I play a 16th-century-style 8-course lute. 
I live in Indianapolis, IN, USA. My wife and I perform at 
some renaissance faires [sic] and Scottish Highland games. 
While Renaissance Faire music tends toward novelty songs, I 
am adamant on including a handful of John Dowland, 
Pickeringe, and some tunes from the Scottish lutebooks 
Straloch and Rowallan. 
I am also called upon for the occasional wedding and school 
events. 

Cheers,
Samuel J. Lawson



On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:41:57 +0100
From: Tristan von Neumann 
To: lutelist Net 
Subject: [LUTE] Early Music life

Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.


Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going on in your
neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I always find
a bit awkward)?

Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?

Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?

Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?




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Cheers,
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Roberts, William]

Philadelphia:

In addition to being the home of the Renaissance wind ensemble Pifaro we have

1. An excellent baroque chamber orchestra,  Tempesta di Mare (Richard Stone and 
Gwyn Roberts, co-directors)(recording on the Chandos label).

2. Philadelphia Chamber Music Society, with 60 chamber music concerts annually, 
which since 2012 has successfully presented Hopkinson Smith (twice), Miguel 
Serdoura (also the founder of Le Luth Dore, the Paris-based producer of high 
quality, affordable entry-level Renaissance and Baroque lutes), Nigel North and 
(in conjunction with a vocal recital) Thomas Dunford. Also Anonymous Four 
regularly.

3. Occasional lute recitals sponsored by the Philadelphia Guitar Society.

4. A start-up early music presenting program at nearby Rowan University, 
Glassboro, New Jersey, which recently presented Nigel North and a Nigel North 
masterclass (with an upcoming Tempesta di Mare concert scheduled for 4 pm 
Sunday January 21, 2018) and continuing occasional presentations of guitar/lute 
faculty (Joseph Mayes and his colleagues). Possible Diego Cantalupi lute 
recital later in 2018 through potential collaboration with Jessica Gould's 
Salon Sanctuary organization (New York).

5. A sold out (400) New Years Eve performance 2017 by the Choral Arts Society 
(Matthew Glandorf, cond.) of Monteverdi's Vespers (1610), along with ensemble 
players from Tempesta di Mare and from Dark Horse Consortium.



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> On Jan 3, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Daniel Shoskes  wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Tristan von Neumann  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
>>
>>
>> Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going on in 
>> your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I 
>> always find a bit awkward)?
>
> The Greater Cleveland area is fortunate in that regard: Apollo’s Fire (The 
> Cleveland Baroque Orchestra), Les Delices, Case Western Early Music Program, 
> Quire, Burning River Baroque, Oberlin nearby
>
>
>>
>> Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
> Ronn McFarlane played in a restaurant here once.
>>
>> Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
>
> Renaissance Faires count?
>>
>> Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
>
> Yes! https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0 
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Roman Turovsky]

On my memory - Sylvain Bergeron did a bar gig in NYC some years ago.
RT


On 1/3/2018 9:03 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote:



On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Tristan von Neumann  
wrote:

Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.


Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going on in your 
neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I always 
find a bit awkward)?

The Greater Cleveland area is fortunate in that regard: Apollo’s Fire (The 
Cleveland Baroque Orchestra), Les Delices, Case Western Early Music Program, 
Quire, Burning River Baroque, Oberlin nearby



Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?

Ronn McFarlane played in a restaurant here once.

Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?

Renaissance Faires count?

Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?

Yes! https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0 



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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Max Langer]

   Hello,
   Quite hard to come by musicians interested in early music here I find
   (Grenoble and Lyon, France), but just started a small amateur chamber
   group, and just recently found out there's an amateur baroque orchestra
   in Vienne. See where that leads!
   Cheers,
   Max Langer

   Le  3 janv. 2018 15:14, "Robert Purrenhage"
   <[1]pastimesmu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> a écrit  :

Hallo Tristan,
Answers in order:
Zur geflickten Trommel - Gesandtenstr Regensburg.
One pre-concert picknick music in park in Philadelphia last
 summer
(Piffaro)
We have feasts at home several times per year, usually with early
 music
- several small groups or ad hoc.
Bob Purrenhage
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 8:44:15 AM EST, Tristan von
 Neumann

  <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
  Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
  Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going
   on
  in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
  (which I always find a bit awkward)?

  Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?

  Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the
   woods?

  Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?

  To get on or off this list see list information at

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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Robert Purrenhage]

   Hallo Tristan,
   Answers in order:
   Zur geflickten Trommel - Gesandtenstr Regensburg.
   One pre-concert picknick music in park in Philadelphia last summer
   (Piffaro)
   We have feasts at home several times per year, usually with early music
   - several small groups or ad hoc.
   Bob Purrenhage
   On Wednesday, January 3, 2018, 8:44:15 AM EST, Tristan von Neumann
    wrote:
   Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
   Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going on
   in your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context
   (which I always find a bit awkward)?
   Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
   Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?
   Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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[LUTE] Re: Early Music life

[Daniel Shoskes]

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 8:41 AM, Tristan von Neumann  
> wrote:
> 
> Happy New Year to all who are on the European calendar.
> 
> 
> Here's one question - is there any noticeable Early Music life going on in 
> your neighborhood, besides the 19th/20th century concert context (which I 
> always find a bit awkward)?

The Greater Cleveland area is fortunate in that regard: Apollo’s Fire (The 
Cleveland Baroque Orchestra), Les Delices, Case Western Early Music Program, 
Quire, Burning River Baroque, Oberlin nearby


> 
> Ever heard of a bar where there are Early Music jam sessions?
Ronn McFarlane played in a restaurant here once.
> 
> Have you ever seen Early music picknicks in the park or in the woods?

Renaissance Faires count?
> 
> Do you play table music at your own private dinner parties?

Yes! https://youtu.be/herltcj1i_0 



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