[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
I'll second that! It's not difficult read both French and Italian tab and it is self defeating to turn Italian tab upside down because you may eventually have to unlearn everything you've got used to. German tab is a bit more difficult. Monica - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles - Original Message - From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com To: vance wood vancew...@wowway.com Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:43 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles What you say makes good sense, Vance. Ned On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:39 PM, vance wood wrote: I think trying to make an argument that one form of tab. is better than another is both counter-productive and epistemologically unsound. The fact will in the end remain, that a serious Lute student will have to be at the least familiar with Italian, French and German tab (if not fluent) unless they find themselves in the unenviable position of having to trust on a third party to translate, one to the other, or do it themselves. Myself; I am not fluent in German tab but I can sight read both French and Italian equally well, or poorly depending on your assessment of my abilities. It is for this reason I believe it is best to learn as much as possible from facsimiles and or photo copies of original materials rather than depend on the work modern scholars, or publishers, who may or may not have supplied their opinions or rendered their own mistakes. Not to demean these efforts but to simply state that the original source is often better for educational purposes than the il! luminated modern version. - Original Message - From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr Cc: 'Sean Smith' lutesm...@mac.com; 'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles A student should learn italian tab as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...) I found it difficult to read both, and began with 'french-like' forms (French with numerals as well as french with letters). Each of the publishers had arguments for their form, all of them entirely rational, none of them conclusive. I find single-glyph symbols easier to work with, and since the number of frets obliges two-glyph symbols with numerals (eg, 14, 15 .. 25), but has single-glyph symbols in the alfabet, there is an argument which slightly favors the use of letters; but nothing really compelling to favor italian-ordered vs french-ordered layout. chacun à son goût... -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
From the point of view of a renaissance lutenist... The must have number one is the Folger, the first lute Best of of English music (from Mrs Winter's jump to Lachrimae, with some Johnson, and many nice accessible anonymous pieces) Casteliono for Italian music (and tab... A student should learn italian tab as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...) Attaingnant fo nice easy early french music and Francisque for nice and easy late french music... (It is very important for students to have easy music to learn, not to be discouraged by heavy stuff you should play...) Narvaez for fine and beautiful Spanish works. (Or Milan in case you prefer, but my personnal choice is Narvaez...) V. -Message d'origine- De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part de Sean Smith Envoyé : mardi 10 août 2010 03:19 À : lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Facsimiles Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
A student should learn italian tab as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...) I found it difficult to read both, and began with 'french-like' forms (French with numerals as well as french with letters). Each of the publishers had arguments for their form, all of them entirely rational, none of them conclusive. I find single-glyph symbols easier to work with, and since the number of frets obliges two-glyph symbols with numerals (eg, 14, 15 .. 25), but has single-glyph symbols in the alfabet, there is an argument which slightly favors the use of letters; but nothing really compelling to favor italian-ordered vs french-ordered layout. chacun à son goût... -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
I think trying to make an argument that one form of tab. is better than another is both counter-productive and epistemologically unsound. The fact will in the end remain, that a serious Lute student will have to be at the least familiar with Italian, French and German tab (if not fluent) unless they find themselves in the unenviable position of having to trust on a third party to translate, one to the other, or do it themselves. Myself; I am not fluent in German tab but I can sight read both French and Italian equally well, or poorly depending on your assessment of my abilities. It is for this reason I believe it is best to learn as much as possible from facsimiles and or photo copies of original materials rather than depend on the work modern scholars, or publishers, who may or may not have supplied their opinions or rendered their own mistakes. Not to demean these efforts but to simply state that the original source is often better for educational purposes than the illuminated modern version. - Original Message - From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr Cc: 'Sean Smith' lutesm...@mac.com; 'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles A student should learn italian tab as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...) I found it difficult to read both, and began with 'french-like' forms (French with numerals as well as french with letters). Each of the publishers had arguments for their form, all of them entirely rational, none of them conclusive. I find single-glyph symbols easier to work with, and since the number of frets obliges two-glyph symbols with numerals (eg, 14, 15 .. 25), but has single-glyph symbols in the alfabet, there is an argument which slightly favors the use of letters; but nothing really compelling to favor italian-ordered vs french-ordered layout. chacun à son goût... -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
What you say makes good sense, Vance. Ned On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:39 PM, vance wood wrote: I think trying to make an argument that one form of tab. is better than another is both counter-productive and epistemologically unsound. The fact will in the end remain, that a serious Lute student will have to be at the least familiar with Italian, French and German tab (if not fluent) unless they find themselves in the unenviable position of having to trust on a third party to translate, one to the other, or do it themselves. Myself; I am not fluent in German tab but I can sight read both French and Italian equally well, or poorly depending on your assessment of my abilities. It is for this reason I believe it is best to learn as much as possible from facsimiles and or photo copies of original materials rather than depend on the work modern scholars, or publishers, who may or may not have supplied their opinions or rendered their own mistakes. Not to demean these efforts but to simply state that the original source is often better for educational purposes than the il! luminated modern version. - Original Message - From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr Cc: 'Sean Smith' lutesm...@mac.com; 'lute-cs.dartmouth.edu' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles A student should learn italian tab as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...) I found it difficult to read both, and began with 'french-like' forms (French with numerals as well as french with letters). Each of the publishers had arguments for their form, all of them entirely rational, none of them conclusive. I find single-glyph symbols easier to work with, and since the number of frets obliges two-glyph symbols with numerals (eg, 14, 15 .. 25), but has single-glyph symbols in the alfabet, there is an argument which slightly favors the use of letters; but nothing really compelling to favor italian-ordered vs french-ordered layout. chacun à son goût... -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk schrieb: An interesting question. I would suggest these five for starters: .. 5) Thomas Mace, Musick's Monument (1676) Mace? I mean, it's a marvelous book, I love it, and stuff, but for a start? You can count on the fingers of one hand guys who play French flat tuning in Mace's pitch (g' - e - c - a - e - B - A-G-F-E-D-C), I so I sometimes guess when I feel lonely. Mathias Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Viele Grüße Mathias Rösel http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Dear list, Possibly because there was some lute playing even outside UK ;-) I would strongly recommend: Vincenzo Capirola G. A. Casteliono Francesco Spinacino Attaingnant, Tres breve et familiere Introduction... Alessandro Piccinini --Messaggio originale-- Da: Sean Smith Mittente:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu A:LuteList Oggetto: [LUTE] Facsimiles Inviato: 10 Ago 2010 03:18 Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Luca http://liuti.manassero.net
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Of lute music per se, I have only Varietie in facsimile. But for early notation I have Canti B C of Odhecaton, and numerous other copies of pages from facsimile editions. These I consider indispensable for learning to play early notation. Most of my study of lute music is done from more modern editions, I must admit. Methinks, perhaps I ought to try to rectify this. Ned On Aug 9, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: Sean: My list with annotations. Capirola - something for everyone and it looks cool Phalese, 1568 - good variety of mid-century continental music Dowland's First Booke, 1597 - English ayres for every taste and ability Board ms. - good survey of English music from J. Johnson to transitional tunings Varietie, 1610 - something to work toward Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:18:36 -0700 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: lutesm...@mac.com Subject: [LUTE] Facsimiles Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Dear Stewart, as far as Thomas Mace didactical skills are concerned, I reckon him a paragon of a teacher. And I beg to differ as regards his music, I like it at least as much as continental lute music of the 1650ies through 1670ies, and I do think it's special from a continental point of view. Much depends on the pitch, though. Once you play it with your 1st course in g', the music gets a particular flavour. You see, I'm into the baroque lute, rather. Werl, Ballard 1631 + 1638, Mace 1676. Another bag for Gaultier 1669, Gallot 1670, Lesage de Richee 1695, Mouton 1699. I hope four books per bag is okay as well. Never travel without. Mathias Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk schrieb: Dear Mathias, In choosing my five facsimiles I tried to look wider than just lute solos. The lute involves other things too, hence my choice of Dowland's First Booke of Songes, which I consider to be the most significant collection of lute songs of all time. I think Mace's Musick's Monument is important, not so much for his music, which is nice but not special, but for what he has to say about the lute, the theorbo and the viol. It is a pity not to have included any foreign sources, but I thought it best to stick to French tablature. Otherwise the Capirola lute book would be high on my list, along with Spinacino's two books (1507), Casteliono's Intabolatura (1536), and Newsidler's Ein Newgeordnet Künstlich Lautenbuch (1536). To make the list ten, I would add Besard's Thesaurus Harmonicus (1603). Best wishes, Stewart. -Original Message- From: Mathias Rösel [mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de] Sent: 10 August 2010 12:49 To: Stewart McCoy Cc: Lute Net Subject: Re: [LUTE] Facsimiles Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk schrieb: An interesting question. I would suggest these five for starters: .. 5) Thomas Mace, Musick's Monument (1676) Mace? I mean, it's a marvelous book, I love it, and stuff, but for a start? You can count on the fingers of one hand guys who play French flat tuning in Mace's pitch (g' - e - c - a - e - B - A-G-F-E-D-C), I so I sometimes guess when I feel lonely. Mathias Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Sean: My list with annotations. Capirola - something for everyone and it looks cool Phalese, 1568 - good variety of mid-century continental music Dowland's First Booke, 1597 - English ayres for every taste and ability Board ms. - good survey of English music from J. Johnson to transitional tunings Varietie, 1610 - something to work toward Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 18:18:36 -0700 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: lutesm...@mac.com Subject: [LUTE] Facsimiles Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Hi, Sean.. (a follow-up to the list :) ) Being exactly there myself, here is my current list: 1 Diverse authori, helps with the knowing of Italian tab wonderful music 2 School of Musick, much goodness to be found in Mr Robinson, plus duets 3 Secret des muse, late Ren and a cool introduction to Baroque notation 4 Sampson, for the incidentals 5 a book of songs, say Campion or Bossensensis, to go with a soprano :) -- -mark. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Here's my list: 1. Jane Pickering - because it has some simple toys, both parts of nice duets and a mixture of harder solos, and the handwriting is very clear with almost no mistakes 2. Marsh Manuscript - lots of 6 course music and pieces by John Johnson, who I particularly like. 3. Folger Dowland Manuscript - the music in this manuscript has clues for the answers to questions about right hand fingering (when to use thumb - index and when to use index - middle) and also which notes to ornament. 4. Bronrgyntyn - this manuscript has the best doodles of all of them. 5. The M. L. Lute Book - there is some really nice music in this manuscript, for 9 and 10 course lutes. If you want to explore the music after Dowland, there are lots of ornaments and right hand fingerings marked. And the manuscripts that I can't wait to spend more time with: Dd. 2.11 - I hope it's ready soon! Dd. 9.33 Nn.6.36 Lord Herbert of Cherbury It's pretty obvious that I love English music. Nancy Dear all, Though this arises coincidentally from the Passereau question, it's actually been brewing in my head for some time. For a lute student of between 1-3 years what would you suggest are the 5 most important facsimiles to own? I was going to say have access to but I feel that any serious player should be starting their own libraries by this time. I'll ask this from the point of view of a renaissance lutenist as well as the baroque players who will have their own lists. I'm not so interested in where they come from --I realize their availability comes and goes-- but from the student/player/historian aspect of learning the lute, its repertory and its place in history. Yes, I know, 5 books is mighty limiting but feel free to add a second 5 books if you need. As I see it every player has to start somewhere. Eventually I plan to tally the results and put a paragraph or 3 in an upcoming LSA Quarterly. And here. Thanks in advance; I look forward to your replies! Sean To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Nancy Carlin Associates P.O. Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 web sites - [2]www.nancycarlinassociates.com [3]www.groundsanddivisions.info Representing: FROM WALES - Crasdant Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe Jez Lowe The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths Morrongiello Young Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA web site - [4]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ 3. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ 4. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
I have had just mistake on copy and paste.
Link is already amended.
Thanks to Kenneth and Markus.
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]on Behalf Of Kenneth M Berry
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:59 AM
To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
The link to Balint Bakfark is for Arian Denss on your blog.
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp wrote:
From: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
To: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:44 AM
My blog is updated. Thanks to
Wolfgang.
**
Toshiaki Kakinami
Nagoya, JAPAN
http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com
**
-Original Message-
From: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:wie-w...@gmx.de]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:54 PM
To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Facsimiles
between more lute manuscripts are online:
# munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle)
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/
# munich mus. ms. 267
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/
# munich mus. ms. 1512
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/
# munich mus. ms. 272
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/
it seems to be something wrong with this last
digitalisat, go to
miniaturansicht and than backwards.
greetings
wolfgang
Original-Nachricht
Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900
Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp,
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles
Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener
DigitalisierungsZentrum are
introduced.
Links for URL are attached.
Please enjoy.
http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchener.html
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[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
My blog is updated. Thanks to Wolfgang. ** Toshiaki Kakinami Nagoya, JAPAN http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com ** -Original Message- From: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:wie-w...@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:54 PM To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: Re: [LUTE] Facsimiles between more lute manuscripts are online: # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle) http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/ # munich mus. ms. 267 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/ # munich mus. ms. 1512 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/ # munich mus. ms. 272 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/ it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to miniaturansicht and than backwards. greetings wolfgang Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900 Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum are introduced. Links for URL are attached. Please enjoy. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchener.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Any idea how to download as pdf? When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf download which I cant find... Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IT Application Services Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of wolfgang wiehe Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:54 PM To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles between more lute manuscripts are online: # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle) http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/ # munich mus. ms. 267 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/ # munich mus. ms. 1512 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/ # munich mus. ms. 272 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/ it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to miniaturansicht and than backwards. greetings wolfgang Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900 Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum are introduced. Links for URL are attached. Please enjoy. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchene r.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181 - 40549 Duesseldorf - Germany Phone: +49 (211) 5296-0 - Fax: +49 (211) 5296-400 Handelsregister Duesseldorf HRB 22487 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Hitoshi Otsuka Amtsgericht Duesseldorf
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
now here is the pdf-solution: use this links http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633nr=1 greetings wolfgang p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:50:01 +0100 Von: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de An: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles Any idea how to download as pdf? When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf download which I cant find... Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IT Application Services Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of wolfgang wiehe Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:54 PM To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles between more lute manuscripts are online: # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle) http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/ # munich mus. ms. 267 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/ # munich mus. ms. 1512 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/ # munich mus. ms. 272 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/ it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to miniaturansicht and than backwards. greetings wolfgang Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900 Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum are introduced. Links for URL are attached. Please enjoy. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchene r.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181 - 40549 Duesseldorf - Germany Phone: +49 (211) 5296-0 - Fax: +49 (211) 5296-400 Handelsregister Duesseldorf HRB 22487 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Hitoshi Otsuka Amtsgericht Duesseldorf
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Great! Thanks a *LOT* Wolfgang! :) (How did you find out how to do it?) The BSB is proving to be quite a treasure trove for us lute aficionados! If only Paris and London would follow suite... G. - Original Message - From: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de To: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles now here is the pdf-solution: use this links http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633nr=1 greetings wolfgang p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:50:01 +0100 Von: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de An: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles Any idea how to download as pdf? When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf download which I cant find... Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
yes, the munich BSB is a treasure house. but the quality of the 267 digitalisat is poor. # (How did you find out how to do it?) I tried a pdf-download with the bakfark-print, there is a pdf-button and looked at the url-structure for a moment... :-) w. Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:38:10 +0100 Von: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles Great! Thanks a *LOT* Wolfgang! :) (How did you find out how to do it?) The BSB is proving to be quite a treasure trove for us lute aficionados! If only Paris and London would follow suite... G. - Original Message - From: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de To: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:06 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles now here is the pdf-solution: use this links http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031681nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00032067nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031731nr=1 http://mdz10.bib-bvb.de/zend-bsb/pdf_download.pl?id=00031633nr=1 greetings wolfgang p.s. I think they forgotten the pdf-button Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:50:01 +0100 Von: Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de An: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles Any idea how to download as pdf? When you right-click on a picture it says you should use the pdf download which I cant find... Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
Of course! How ingenious you are Wolfgang! Thanks again. G. - Original Message - From: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles yes, the munich BSB is a treasure house. but the quality of the 267 digitalisat is poor. # (How did you find out how to do it?) I tried a pdf-download with the bakfark-print, there is a pdf-button and looked at the url-structure for a moment... :-) w. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
The link to Balint Bakfark is for Arian Denss on your blog. --- On Tue, 10/27/09, T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp wrote: From: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles To: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:44 AM My blog is updated. Thanks to Wolfgang. ** Toshiaki Kakinami Nagoya, JAPAN http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com ** -Original Message- From: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:wie-w...@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:54 PM To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: Re: [LUTE] Facsimiles between more lute manuscripts are online: # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle) http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/ # munich mus. ms. 267 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/ # munich mus. ms. 1512 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/ # munich mus. ms. 272 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/ it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to miniaturansicht and than backwards. greetings wolfgang Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900 Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum are introduced. Links for URL are attached. Please enjoy. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchener.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles
The link for Bakfark is: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031267/images/ Best Markus Kenneth M Berry schrieb: The link to Balint Bakfark is for Arian Denss on your blog. --- On Tue, 10/27/09, T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp wrote: From: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles To: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:44 AM My blog is updated. Thanks to Wolfgang. ** Toshiaki Kakinami Nagoya, JAPAN http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com ** -Original Message- From: wolfgang wiehe [mailto:wie-w...@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:54 PM To: T.Kakinami; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp Subject: Re: [LUTE] Facsimiles between more lute manuscripts are online: # munich mus. ms. 266 (with marco fascicle) http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031681/images/ # munich mus. ms. 267 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00032067/images/ # munich mus. ms. 1512 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031633/images/ # munich mus. ms. 272 http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031731/images/ it seems to be something wrong with this last digitalisat, go to miniaturansicht and than backwards. greetings wolfgang Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:19:49 +0900 Von: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp An: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp, lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Facsimiles Facsimiles from Diditale Bibliothek, Munchener DigitalisierungsZentrum are introduced. Links for URL are attached. Please enjoy. http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2009/10/diditale-bibliothek-munchener.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Bonjour Jean-Marie, I just downloaded Fortune My Foe (2 recorders and percussion line) from the Ancient section. My system is Linux, Fedora Core 6 with Planet CCRMA extensions. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. Regards, The Other Stephen Stubbs. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Thank you for the tip, Stephen, but like Bernd I use XP with Adobe Acrobat 8 pro. I tried to install Foxit, as they recommend on IMSLP but had the same problem again... Too bad ! Maybe someone will turn up with an answer, if not a solution ;-) All the best et bonne soirée, Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 18:03:11 === Bonjour Jean-Marie, I just downloaded Fortune My Foe (2 recorders and percussion line) from the Ancient section. My system is Linux, Fedora Core 6 with Planet CCRMA extensions. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. Regards, The Other Stephen Stubbs. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Hi back Tony, As I replied to Stephen, I use XP with Adobe Acrobat 8 and tried yo install Foxit reader, but with the same result... I don't know what the matter is... Best, Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 18:42:02 === Hi Jean-Marie The message I tend to get is that the file hasn't been checked/cleared for public domain, which isn't quite the same thing as corrupt. I just did the Fortune my Foe one, which apparently has been cleared and it worked fine. Tony - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? === 02-07-2008 19:09:22 === By the way, the totally excellent International Music Score Library project reopened on 1 July, after several months out of action following threats from over-assiduous publishers' lawyers. Over 16,000 scanned scores of out-of-copyright musical works. A treasure. P http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 03-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Real men drink calvados. RT - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
I have some home-made in stock. You're welcome any time, Roman ! Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 20:11:14 === Real men drink calvados. RT - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Am devastated by the geographical distance. RT From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some home-made in stock. You're welcome any time, Roman ! Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 20:11:14 === Real men drink calvados. RT - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Jean-Marie: I think I understand what is going on. Although the site is again open, a large majority of the music is still unavailable. Only a few of the files I tried to access actually downloaded; the rest generated a message saying that the file is still blocked. Try Attaingnant (Deux Livres d'Orgue) and see if that works for you. Daniel Heiman On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:07:59 +0200 Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 Click now for huge savings on quality flooring materials! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nHbbC1F8vWYKsfUk1YDVyI7mfXMFrJgOg3o6LtObACOC3lt/
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Well, it doesn't... I have tried to empty my internet cache. I use Mozilla and there is no way to get any of the pdf files. Maybe there is still some kind of restriction for downloads out of the USA ? I don't know what's going on but it does sort of bug me ;-( Thank you for your suggestion anyway. All the best, Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 20:36:29 === Jean-Marie: I think I understand what is going on. Although the site is again open, a large majority of the music is still unavailable. Only a few of the files I tried to access actually downloaded; the rest generated a message saying that the file is still blocked. Try Attaingnant (Deux Livres d'Orgue) and see if that works for you. Daniel Heiman On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:07:59 +0200 Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 Click here for great custom garage plans! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mXRH76mw6u0pwLGvKNvq0CNyH4f5DacXFqtIVGOax9t0OIz/ --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
There's certainly still a copyright checking issue on IMSLP. If I try downloading Tartini's (1692-1770) Devil's Trill sonata, I get the message: *You have reached this page because the file you requested has not been reviewed for copyright, or is currently restricted due to technical reasons. * A significant portion of the original IMSLP is still pending copyright review, so expect the number of blocked files to decrease dramatically in the next few months after IMSLP reopening. No such problems downloading Mars, The Bringer of War by Gustav Holst (1874-1934). (I'm also in France, Jean-Marie, so if there's a problem it's not your location). But I have a nasty feeling that Holst is still in copyright here, because they add on extra years to compensate for the war years. Thanks, Mars. Maybe I'd better wipe it out again. P 2008/7/4 Daniel F Heiman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jean-Marie: I think I understand what is going on. Although the site is again open, a large majority of the music is still unavailable. Only a few of the files I tried to access actually downloaded; the rest generated a message saying that the file is still blocked. Try Attaingnant (Deux Livres d'Orgue) and see if that works for you. Daniel Heiman On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:07:59 +0200 Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 Click now for huge savings on quality flooring materials! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nHbbC1F8vWYKsfUk1YDVyI7mfXMFrJgOg3o6LtObACOC3lt/ -- Peter Martin Belle Serre La Caulie 81100 Castres France tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.silvius.co.uk http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/sambuca999 www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty --
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Looking forward to it!!! RT From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Come on, Roman ! Crossing over the Pond is no big deal, really. Actually, several of my relatives live on your side of it, a brother in Florida, a nephew in Ohio and a niece of mine in New York, so I will probably drop down there one day... with calvados in my lute case, who knows ?!! ;-) Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 20:37:42 === Am devastated by the geographical distance. RT From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have some home-made in stock. You're welcome any time, Roman ! Jean-Marie === 04-07-2008 20:11:14 === Real men drink calvados. RT - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. Sill an anti-French stratagem ;-))) ??? Never mind, we've got the wine. Gallo's zinfandel, for instance.. ;-))) Best, Jean-Marie, (couldn't help that reallysilly joke. French style, maybe g ! ) === 04-07-2008 19:56:35 === No problems on my end. XP. RT - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Facsimiles. I have the same problem as Jean-Marie with Windows XP and the official Acrobat reader... B. Perhaps your version of PDF reader is not supported. Check out http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:File_formats to see if you have a compatible PDF reader. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 18:10 +0200, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.135 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 03.07.2008 19:19 --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 04-07-2008 __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Thank you Peter for the IMSL project info, but each time I try to open a pdf from their site I get a message error saying the file is corrupt or whatever... Is it the same with you ? === 02-07-2008 19:09:22 === By the way, the totally excellent International Music Score Library project reopened on 1 July, after several months out of action following threats from over-assiduous publishers' lawyers. Over 16,000 scanned scores of out-of-copyright musical works. A treasure. P http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 03-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Hi Marco, One place to start : http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/Bib_digitale/Manoscritti/M19_105/main.htm There are more but I'm on my way to work ;-( I'll try to gather more links later on. Haave a good day, Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 04:36:00 === Probably an already asked question: where to find free facsimiles for theorbo/chitarrone music on the internet? Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Thanks Jean-Marie. I've added the Firenze 'theorbo' book to my companion database of lute and early music books at: http://creator.zoho.com/peterskeeter/lute-and-early-music-books/view/2/ Keep me informed about new sightings of online facsimiles and I will add them. By the way, the totally excellent International Music Score Library project reopened on 1 July, after several months out of action following threats from over-assiduous publishers' lawyers. Over 16,000 scanned scores of out-of-copyright musical works. A treasure. P http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page 2008/7/2 Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An excellent collection of links to facsimiles online, not especailly theorbo, but mostly lute. http://creator.zoho.com/peterskeeter/online-sources-of-lute-and-early-music/view/1/ Thank you Peter Skeeter for your initiative ! Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 04:36:00 === Probably an already asked question: where to find free facsimiles for theorbo/chitarrone music on the internet? Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 -- Peter Martin Belle Serre La Caulie 81100 Castres France tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.silvius.co.uk http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/sambuca999 www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty --
